Nintendo Admits: Wii U Will Not Compete Against PlayStation 4, Xbox Next

might as well just stick to appealing to the casual crowd.

no hardcore gamer wants your crap Nintendo.

rasengan2552

False, try again brogamer.

I don't think anybody expects the Wii U to compete graphicallywith PS4/Xbox "next".ZIMdoom

Nintendo Admits: Wii U Will Not Compete Against PlayStation 4, Xbox Next
[01/31/2012 08:50 PM]
by Anton Shilov

Nintendo has admitted that while its forthcoming Wii U game console will support high-definition graphics and will be rather powerful, it will not be able to compete with the next-generation systems from Microsoft Corp. or Sony Corp. in terms of performance as they will be ultra-powerful. Instead, Nintendo calls its approach balanced as it features both improvements and exclusive technologies.

"There are a variety of different ways to show the unique appeal of software. What's important here is not to narrow down what we can do. Rather, we have to create the dynamic range of appeals that the consumers can appreciate. We decided to make a proposal of an additional screen into the Wii U controller because developers could think of a variety of different possibilities here and there of using both a big TV screen and a screen in a player's hand," said Satoru Iwata, the president of Nintendo, during a conference call with investors.



Nintendo's approach with the original Wii was similar: to make a unique game system that would be not directly competing with more powerful devices by companies with a lot more financial and other resources. Nintendo did succeed in that, but had to sacrifice product cycle comparable to PlayStation and Xbox as well as the market of hardcore games. With Wii U, Nintendo hopes to regain core gamers thanks to improved performance and slightly different approach of work with game designers that is projected to yield into higher amount of titles for the new console. What Nintendo clearly did not want to do was to create a competitor for the next breed of systems: PlayStation 4 and Xbox Loop.



"We are aiming to make a system which shall not be forced into competing with the others where the contenders can fight only with massive developer resources and long development times as their weapons. Having said that, however, as I mentioned, it is true that, in some software areas, we need to be engaged in the power games. Take The Legend of Zelda franchise, for example, the fans must be looking for the graphic representations that they do not see as cheap at all when the title is released for the Wii U," added Mr. Iwata.

A third-party game developer has confirmed that Nintendo's approach for working with third-parties has changed dramatically. Apparently, Nintendo is constantly adjusting firmware and hardware of Wii U in accordance with demands from game designers.

"They asked us what we would want from the hardware, and when we give them feedback we can see that they have definitely listened and making changes. The hardware is still changing constantly," said Yosuke Hayashi from Team Ninja, in an interview with Eurogamer web-site.

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http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/multimedia/display/20120131205013_Nintendo_Wii_U_Is_Not_a_Brute_Force_Console.html

loosingENDS

All I get from this is nintendo laughing histerically, that they have already won the next gen.......

Im calling it now, WiiU will dominate next gen of the three....again.

[QUOTE="ShuichiChamp24"]"Looking at the software for home console systems, there are certainly the software titles for which very rich graphics must be reproduced on HD displays and which demand a large number of developers to spend a very long time to develop. It is one of the truths that a certain number of such software titles must be prepared, or the consumers will not be satisfied.

But we do not think that any and all the software must be created in that fashion. When you look at Nintendo's software, extraordinary rich graphics, massive gameplay volume and astonishing rendition effects are not necessarily the appealing point. It is, in fact, important for us that our games are appealing in other ways as well. An example of this is the Wii software, "RHYTHM HEAVEN FEVER," that we released last year in Japan. It became one of the hits, but if we had adopted rich photo-realistic graphics, it would have lost much of its appeal rather than improving its appeal. Similarly, about the Japanese title "Tomodachi Collection" for Nintendo DS, the developers themselves confirmed that this software is based upon the "cheap concept." It is not necessary for us to deploy a huge number of people in order to develop such games. When we need massive power and have a lack of internal resources, we collaborate with outside resources and pour necessary resources to where they are needed.

We are increasing the frequency of working with outside developers where Mr. Miyamoto and our internal developers alone used to develop. At the same time, however, we do not forget to ask ourselves in each such opportunity, "Isn't this something our internal resources alone could sufficiently deal with?" Also, when we have such a doubt in the development as, "Will such cheap pictures do in terms of today's home console graphics' standard?," sometimes we conclude that "showing such pictures are unique and rather appealing, so it's OK." So, there are a variety of different ways to show the unique appeal of software. What's important here is not to narrow down what we can do. Rather, we have to create the dynamic range of appeals that the consumers can appreciate. We decided to make a proposal of an additional screen into the Wii U controller because developers could think of a variety of different possibilities here and there of using both a big TV screen and a screen in a player's hand.

As we will showcase the Wii U at E3 in June this year, the detailed announcements must wait until then, but we are aiming to make a system which shall not be forced into competing with the others where the contenders can fight only with massive developer resources and long development times as their weapons. Having said that, however, as I mentioned, it is true that, in some software areas, we need to be engaged in the power games. Take The Legend of Zelda franchise, for example, the fans must be looking for the graphic representations that they do not see as cheap at all when the title is released for the Wii U. When it is necessary, we do not hesitate to role out our resources."SuperFlakeman

For the lazy.

These bolded statements hurt me :(. SOmeone should correct him and say that is the case for them NOW. The Wii changed them, and I simply do not like it. SOn of a gun Nintendo, prove me wrong with the WiiU!

lol, gaming journalism

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

So first they were making an HD console that has all of the 3rd party support that the current HD twins get, and now they are saying they aren't competing directly.

I think the WiiU is going to suffer a massive identity crisis. It's not going to be cheap enough and appeal enough to the Wii market and it most likely won't appeal to the market that bought the 360 and PS3.

What market are they going after? The tablet market?

loosingENDS

I think they are going to be like Wii was, much lower hardware than PS4/720, far lower 3rd party support and a new gimmick that will make them sell 70 million, this tablet that i personally dont like at all, still it is something people will feel is new (not really anyway, but they will make it seem that way) and will flock to it

Also i guess they will have a Zelda SS version early on and release a new Zelda near the end of its life, like with Wii, in 5 years

Is it really up to Nintendo? If Sony and Microsoft copy their approach, which there is a 99.9% chance of happening, they're competing.Eponique

There is 0% chance that MS will copy Nintendo approach, they sell huge and have kept their name with 360 and have not become the laughstock of gaming like Nintendo has with Wii and the zero 3rd party support

These bolded statements hurt me :(. SOmeone should correct him and say that is the case for them NOW. The Wii changed them, and I simply do not like it. SOn of a gun Nintendo, prove me wrong with the WiiU!

NaveedLife

I don't get the problem.

Zelda HD will look amazing and blow us away, on a technical level aswell.

Mario Kart? Wii Sports? New SMB Mii? Side scrollers such as DKCR? They will look super sharp and clean.

But if you look at Heavy Rain, ME3, UC3, BF3... no, not that kind of scope and fancy visuals with photo realism and a ton of background objects/detail. More like say Sonic Generations. Clean and simple.

might as well just stick to appealing to the casual crowd.

no hardcore gamer wants your crap Nintendo.

rasengan2552

To add on my previous post; That's only considering Nintendo's 1st party software. The hardware itself, will be capable to run all those fancy next gen games that top studio 3rd parties make.

No gamer is getting Wii U, its console for non gamers

Nintendo died with gamecube

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

These bolded statements hurt me :(. SOmeone should correct him and say that is the case for them NOW. The Wii changed them, and I simply do not like it. SOn of a gun Nintendo, prove me wrong with the WiiU!

SuperFlakeman

I don't get the problem.

Zelda HD will look amazing and blow us away, on a technical level aswell.

Mario Kart? Wii Sports? New SMB Mii? Side scrollers such as DKCR? They will look super sharp and clean.

But if you look at Heavy Rain, ME3, UC3, BF3... no, not that kind of scope and fancy visuals with photo realism and a ton of background objects/detail. More like say Sonic Generations. Clean and simple.

Techincally they never said anything wrong. I get what he means and he would probably say this if the system was as powerful as the 64, or up to par with today's tech. So really I shouldn't even care about what he said :P. BUT I hate their mentality of how they keep downplaying system power and such. It just bothers me, because although I am excited for the WiiU controller, I am still not sold. I think it has potential, but I hate to see them wasting time on a gimmick. Again, I am not saying it is, but the Wii was for the most part. Metroid Prime Trilogy was amazing with the controls, but outside of that I don't think there was THAT much that couldn't have been done on a normal controller.

No gamer is getting Wii U, its console for non gamers

Nintendo died with gamecube

Zurrur

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

These bolded statements hurt me :(. SOmeone should correct him and say that is the case for them NOW. The Wii changed them, and I simply do not like it. SOn of a gun Nintendo, prove me wrong with the WiiU!

NaveedLife

I don't get the problem.

Zelda HD will look amazing and blow us away, on a technical level aswell.

Mario Kart? Wii Sports? New SMB Mii? Side scrollers such as DKCR? They will look super sharp and clean.

But if you look at Heavy Rain, ME3, UC3, BF3... no, not that kind of scope and fancy visuals with photo realism and a ton of background objects/detail. More like say Sonic Generations. Clean and simple.

Techincally they never said anything wrong. I get what he means and he would probably say this if the system was as powerful as the 64, or up to par with today's tech. So really I shouldn't even care about what he said :P. BUT I hate their mentality of how they keep downplaying system power and such. It just bothers me, because although I am excited for the WiiU controller, I am still not sold. I think it has potential, but I hate to see them wasting time on a gimmick. Again, I am not saying it is, but the Wii was for the most part. Metroid Prime Trilogy was amazing with the controls, but outside of that I don't think there was THAT much that couldn't have been done on a normal controller.

I think your problem is that you are comparing the specs of hardware more than looking at the games themselves, maybe.

I mean, I prefer Rayman Origins' graphics over all the big hitters such as GTAV. I prefer my games to have simple visuals. I like the Mii's on Wii more than actual human beings in games such as ME3.

That's Nintendo's new strategy. That's how they keep their games cost-effective. They want to sell 20m copies of a game that is the cheapest to develop. They will compete against Sony and MS through 3rd party.

While Rockstar invests a ton of money going into GTAV and will require x million units sold to break even, Nintendo does Wii U Pictionary with a couple of employees as an experimental thing and it'll do 20-30m. :D

That's Nintendo 1st party for you. That's where the actual profits are. They can't compete in the power game.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

I don't get the problem.

Zelda HD will look amazing and blow us away, on a technical level aswell.

Mario Kart? Wii Sports? New SMB Mii? Side scrollers such as DKCR? They will look super sharp and clean.

But if you look at Heavy Rain, ME3, UC3, BF3... no, not that kind of scope and fancy visuals with photo realism and a ton of background objects/detail. More like say Sonic Generations. Clean and simple.

SuperFlakeman

Techincally they never said anything wrong. I get what he means and he would probably say this if the system was as powerful as the 64, or up to par with today's tech. So really I shouldn't even care about what he said :P. BUT I hate their mentality of how they keep downplaying system power and such. It just bothers me, because although I am excited for the WiiU controller, I am still not sold. I think it has potential, but I hate to see them wasting time on a gimmick. Again, I am not saying it is, but the Wii was for the most part. Metroid Prime Trilogy was amazing with the controls, but outside of that I don't think there was THAT much that couldn't have been done on a normal controller.

I think your problem is that you are comparing the specs of hardware more than looking at the games themselves, maybe.

I mean, I prefer Rayman Origins' graphics over all the big hitters such as GTAV. I prefer my games to have simple visuals. I like the Mii's on Wii more than actual human beings in games such as ME3.

That's Nintendo's new strategy. That's how they keep their games cost-effective. They want to sell 20m copies of a game that is the cheapest to develop. They will compete against Sony and MS through 3rd party.

You are darn straight I am looking at tech! I have been dieing to see cutting edge Zelda and Metroid games. More so than most other games today, BECAUSE I love those series and they have such great atmosphere. I mean you pay 250 for a motion controller that more often than not, hindered the experience rather than improved it. It's crap. It is clear they are doing much better with the WiiU tech in terms of online, graphics, and even the controller, as it looks more practical. I hope E3 blows me away.

As for Mii's, I wish they would go die somewhere. THey are the most annoying looking things ever. I much prefer just having a picture like on Steam.

You are darn straight I am looking at tech! I have been dieing to see cutting edge Zelda and Metroid games. More so than most other games today, BECAUSE I love those series and they have such great atmosphere. I mean you pay 250 for a motion controller that more often than not, hindered the experience rather than improved it. It's crap. It is clear they are doing much better with the WiiU tech in terms of online, graphics, and even the controller, as it looks more practical. I hope E3 blows me away.

As for Mii's, I wish they would go die somewhere. THey are the most annoying looking things ever. I much prefer just having a picture like on Steam.

NaveedLife

I understood that much, but, if you purely look at say Galaxy 2 and Rayman Origins. What are your thoughts? Do you think they are inferior graphics wise compared to say UC3?

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

You are darn straight I am looking at tech! I have been dieing to see cutting edge Zelda and Metroid games. More so than most other games today, BECAUSE I love those series and they have such great atmosphere. I mean you pay 250 for a motion controller that more often than not, hindered the experience rather than improved it. It's crap. It is clear they are doing much better with the WiiU tech in terms of online, graphics, and even the controller, as it looks more practical. I hope E3 blows me away.

As for Mii's, I wish they would go die somewhere. THey are the most annoying looking things ever. I much prefer just having a picture like on Steam.

SuperFlakeman

I understood that much, but, if you purely look at say Galaxy 2 and Rayman Origins. What are your thoughts? Do you think they are inferior graphics wise compared to say UC3?

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

You are darn straight I am looking at tech! I have been dieing to see cutting edge Zelda and Metroid games. More so than most other games today, BECAUSE I love those series and they have such great atmosphere. I mean you pay 250 for a motion controller that more often than not, hindered the experience rather than improved it. It's crap. It is clear they are doing much better with the WiiU tech in terms of online, graphics, and even the controller, as it looks more practical. I hope E3 blows me away.

As for Mii's, I wish they would go die somewhere. THey are the most annoying looking things ever. I much prefer just having a picture like on Steam.

SuperFlakeman

I understood that much, but, if you purely look at say Galaxy 2 and Rayman Origins. What are your thoughts? Do you think they are inferior graphics wise compared to say UC3?

First of all, Rayman Origins is not a fair comparison really. One, because the Wii and 3DS version won't display HD, which is BIG. And also because it is 2D which is not as taxing. YOu know that not EVERY game is going to be 2D ;).

Yes Mario Galaxy 2 IS inferior. There is no denying that. Maybe you prefer its visuals. I mean they are great, and they don't bother me really. BUT I think 2 things. 1, it should be in HD! 2, It could look amazing like the fake images made when the Wii was the revolution. BUT Mario doesn't need the graphics as much as games like MEtroid and Zelda IMO. THose games are adventures based on the atmosphere and detail, which could be greatly enhanced with today's tech. I remember every Gamecube owner gawking over Metroid Prime and Resident Evil 4. They were so darn immersive, revolutionary, and atmospheric. I want that again.

BUT Mario doesn't need the graphics as much as games like MEtroid and Zelda IMO. THose games are adventures based on the atmosphere and detail, which could be greatly enhanced with today's tech. I remember every Gamecube owner gawking over Metroid Prime and Resident Evil 4. They were so darn immersive, revolutionary, and atmospheric. I want that again.

NaveedLife

But Ninty said that, games that need the resources will get them, others that don't wont.

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]BUT Mario doesn't need the graphics as much as games like MEtroid and Zelda IMO. THose games are adventures based on the atmosphere and detail, which could be greatly enhanced with today's tech. I remember every Gamecube owner gawking over Metroid Prime and Resident Evil 4. They were so darn immersive, revolutionary, and atmospheric. I want that again.

ShuichiChamp24

But Ninty said that, games that need the resources will get them, others that don't wont.

Oh, I didn't see that. I wonder if that means 3D mario games will get high quality visuals and 2D ones won't, or if none of them will, or what?

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

You are darn straight I am looking at tech! I have been dieing to see cutting edge Zelda and Metroid games. More so than most other games today, BECAUSE I love those series and they have such great atmosphere. I mean you pay 250 for a motion controller that more often than not, hindered the experience rather than improved it. It's crap. It is clear they are doing much better with the WiiU tech in terms of online, graphics, and even the controller, as it looks more practical. I hope E3 blows me away.

As for Mii's, I wish they would go die somewhere. THey are the most annoying looking things ever. I much prefer just having a picture like on Steam.

SecretPolice

I understood that much, but, if you purely look at say Galaxy 2 and Rayman Origins. What are your thoughts? Do you think they are inferior graphics wise compared to say UC3?

Right, that's true.

However, whether the Mii's are made on Wii hardware or high end 2012 PC, the nature of the graphics won't change, it's just higher res, sharper image, less jaggies.

Sonic Generations looks better than any Wii Sonic game, but they're kind of in the same ballpark. The difference is not that big to me as say comparing SS to Skyrim.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"]

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

I understood that much, but, if you purely look at say Galaxy 2 and Rayman Origins. What are your thoughts? Do you think they are inferior graphics wise compared to say UC3?

SuperFlakeman

Right, that's true.

However, whether the Mii's are made on Wii hardware or high end 2012 PC, the nature of the graphics won't change, it's just higher res, sharper image, less jaggies.

Sonic Generations looks better than any Wii Sonic game, but they're kind of in the same ballpark. The difference is not that big to me as say comparing SS to Skyrim.

i dont undersetand why they would do a WII-U, its a very bad attempt, and will not even sell on par with current gen systems, and will be an afterthought next gen. Bad time for Nintendo to put out a true next gen system by 2006 standards. Doesnt make any sense, they need to hire someone like me to lead them.... Unreal how stupid Nintendo is.

i dont undersetand why they would do a WII-U, its a very bad attempt, and will not even sell on par with current gen systems, and will be an afterthought next gen. Bad time for Nintendo to put out a true next gen system by 2006 standards. Doesnt make any sense, they need to hire someone like me to lead them.... Unreal how stupid Nintendo is.

ForzaGearsFace

They can't even if they wanted to. Nintendo makes toys not cutting edge technology.edidili

So first they were making an HD console that has all of the 3rd party support that the current HD twins get, and now they are saying they aren't competing directly.

I think the WiiU is going to suffer a massive identity crisis. It's not going to be cheap enough and appeal enough to the Wii market and it most likely won't appeal to the market that bought the 360 and PS3.

What market are they going after? The tablet market?

Wasdie

He said Wii U isn't competing directly with their NEXT consoles. Considering all the current gen ports the Wii U is supposedly getting, I agree with him.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]I don't think anybody expects the Wii U to compete graphicallywith PS4/Xbox "next".rasengan2552

Got a link? I've seen lots of threads about how the Wii U will look better than PS3/360. I've never seen a single thread of sheep saying it will be on par with PS4/Next. If there were any, they are certainly very rare compared to the WiiU/PS3/360 threads.

LooseENDS took the article out of context and some parts just sound complete BS. Anyway I'll be buying a WII U no matter what, you know why? Because I love Mario and Zelda and Super Smash Bros and just Nintendo's 1st party games in generel. You know I buy them for the EXCLUSIVES, something you don't understand anymore. I buy every Nintendo system every gen because of their great games, sure the Wii sucks in 3rd party support, but it's 1st party is worth buying one.

I would LOVE to see an HD Zelda game with HD graphics! I would go crazy if I saw that. Now run along, you can go crazy about Kinect games with your other alt accounts.

[QUOTE="rasengan2552"]

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]I don't think anybody expects the Wii U to compete graphicallywith PS4/Xbox "next".ZIMdoom

Got a link? I've seen lots of threads about how the Wii U will look better than PS3/360. I've never seen a single thread of sheep saying it will be on par with PS4/Next. If there were any, they are certainly very rare compared to the WiiU/PS3/360 threads.

Neither did the Wii and it trashed the HD twins in sales.

of course it won't. it's so ahead of them it's on a whole different league, like the wii this gen. 360 and PS3 were never competing with the wii, because they never had a chance ;)BrunoBRS

I would rephrase to its a different type of system rather than a whole different league. That implies it does everything better. It does some things FAR better and some things worse.

The WiiU is in no danger anyway. It was never competing with them. It will sell well regardless. Its the other two that are competeing

Nintendo used the same strategy with the Wii, and look how that worked out for them.

Plus, if I remember correctly, didn't Nintendo make a statement like this when the 3DS was struggling? They were claiming that the 3DS was not a direct competitor of the Vita, and then the 3DS just took off. I know the statement itself didn't magically make it take off, it was the marketing, paired with Nintendo devoting all of their resources towards 3DS development and the price drop which were the main contributing factors. It just seems to me like this whole strategy of Nintendo claiming to not be in direct competition with anyone else keeps on rewarding them handsomely.

they ARE ALL GOIng to do very good visuals but the gap will be like the ps2/gc/xbox gen so every system will share multiplats

Mario1331

I say the difference will be similar to the Dreamcast vs xbox/gc.

Heirren

"A lot"? No.

In fact, the Wii U just might be the most powerful. If the Ps4 somehow is weaker than expected. The next Xbox will most likely be the weakest of the 3.

theuncharted34

Haha it's getting really funny with these articles. Nintendo says something and the title of the article is the complete opposite of what is stated. WesleyUden

That's what I'm seeing as well. Insecure fanboys trying to skew words apparently.

LooseENDS took the article out of context and some parts just sound complete BS. Anyway I'll be buying a WII U no matter what, you know why? Because I love Mario and Zelda and Super Smash Bros and just Nintendo's 1st party games in generel. You know I buy them for the EXCLUSIVES, something you don't understand anymore. I buy every Nintendo system every gen because of their great games, sure the Wii sucks in 3rd party support, but it's 1st party is worth buying one.

I would LOVE to see an HD Zelda game with HD graphics! I would go crazy if I saw that. Now run along, you can go crazy about Kinect games with your other alt accounts.

ShadowMoses900

OT title is very misleading. No where in the article does Nintendo admit that it will have any of the assumptions the OT made. All Nintendo is saying that they will make a balance of high def games and simple games.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

LooseENDS took the article out of context and some parts just sound complete BS. Anyway I'll be buying a WII U no matter what, you know why? Because I love Mario and Zelda and Super Smash Bros and just Nintendo's 1st party games in generel. You know I buy them for the EXCLUSIVES, something you don't understand anymore. I buy every Nintendo system every gen because of their great games, sure the Wii sucks in 3rd party support, but it's 1st party is worth buying one.

I would LOVE to see an HD Zelda game with HD graphics! I would go crazy if I saw that. Now run along, you can go crazy about Kinect games with your other alt accounts.

mexicangordo

OT title is very misleading. No where in the article does Nintendo admit that it will have any of the assumptions the OT made. All Nintendo is saying that they will make a balance of high def games and simple games.

Most of his quotes and facts are very skewed truths anyway.

Wii U needs to upscale Wii games. Then maybe the games won't look like crap on HDTV.

Nobody really knows whats the Wii U is going to be, nor what it wants ot be. It's hard for me to figure out what audience Nintendo are targeting and it's most likely about to fail miserably. But then again, many idiots have bought the overpriced tablet netbook that is the iPad so I woulndn't be surprised if the Wii U is a massive financial hit.

Nintendo will appeal more to the casual audience. The PS4 and Nextbox will focus on the core audience.