Nintendo being anti-consumer again, Deletes all MAPS/STARS/MEDALS of Popular Speed Runner:

@Articuno76:

They do have that control.

They have the control as to what kind of show their image is being broadcast on--tye language use, the way other content is portrayed on the show, etc.

Fair use goes both ways.

Spot on.

@Articuno76: So what if all devs ask for a piece of the money pie? Is fat Joe 2.0 going to get a real job? Or is he going to try and dictate terms with all of them.

Newsflash Nintendo have made millions without any of these guys with gaming channels. If the Nintendo's of the world don't make consoles or games people like Angry Joe would be no where in life.

Seems strange. I think Nintendo should made some sort of public statement on why peoples levels are being deleted because the PR ain't looking good.

As for the debate on youtubers, I really don't give a damn one way or the other.

@93BlackHawk93:

It isn't spot on. Nintendo creates all their assets in house. It is all trademarked. Mario's image, the sound of a jump or coin, etc. Letting people freely use this stuff, which also benefits their own income AND without any form of a licensing agreement? That runs the risk of losing trademarks down the line, especially so considering the whole digital "everything is free" YouTube bs.

Thank you! Someone else gets it! I was beginning to think I was the only one.

Creator of the content?????? Nintendo IS the creator. A Youtuber talking over a video game isn't creating anything! Again, can I broadcast a Monday Night Football game with my own commentary? Does that make me a "creator" of any kind? No, my ass would get sued in a hot second. And Nintendo absolutely has a leg to stand on. It's their damn game! They paid for the production, their employees created the content. Why should someone else profit from these peoples work?

Its Joe's audience, its like if the government went to a news station and said they can never say bad things about what the government is doing. The news is allowed to cover whatever and anyway they feel is in their audience best interest. If Nintendo wants to be a part of the show in a more hands on capacity (paying him) then they can dictate terms, but they are not associated with Joe at all, therefore they have no say.

Fair use doesnt need consent of the owner, thats kinda why its fair use... Let me ask you this question though, if Nintendo is in the right side of the law, why dont they just sue for damages instead of abusing a copyright system. Its because they are not on the right side. They wouldnt win in a court so they do the next best thing which is steal money from channels through the copyright system.

And your analogy of Disney movies at adult screening doesnt hold water because:

1. If someone played a trailer without consent, that isnt fair use
2. If Disney did want their trailer put somewhere they are paying the theatre, so they have a say on where it goes

You people make me shake my head. You have to understand how the internet works with advertising. Look at Minecraft or Five Nights at Freddy's, all huge successes because they had exposure. You would have to be blind or too stubborn to see that

@aigis: What about all the games that get exposure and dont have success?

example pls

@aigis: Street Fighter 5.

lololololololololololooolooololollolol, is that a joke?

There is exposure, but especially when places like gamespot call it lacking it can only go so far. The game still sold though, probably would have sold less if people hadnt been playing it

@aigis: Its still searching for success. Please do a Lets Play for it, help a brother out. Ill even pay you to do one. Pretty please?

Yup, this is pretty much bullshit. No clue why they would be sabotaging their own community that way, either.

It will find success if two things happen

1. Content is added
2. The community is still interested (So streamers are still playing it)

@aigis: Wrong, it will find success if my homeboy Angry Joe decides to help a brother out. Can i get some love Pewdiepie! Please save our games! No ones buying them :(

@iandizion713: lol be sarcastic all you want, but im right. Its all about good games with promotion. I never said they wouldnt sell without streamers, but you have to be dull or stubborn to think they dont help in a big way

@aigis: True, and Nintendo has amazing promoters, look at the wonders they have done with selling Wii U games, etc. You think Nintendo cant advertise? Nintendo has a whole program dedicated to users advertising for Nintendo.

@iandizion713: Too bad they didnt use them to sell wii u's. You want to know one of the reasons why the wii u failed? Its because they were too busy being copyright trolls

@aigis:

Making money off someone else's work with no legal agreement and/or potentially putting said work under a light which may not be deemed suitable by the owner is not fair use.

Part of the problem is the grey digital laws, Google, and YouTube. It isn't about damages, it's about protecting copyrights, trademarks, and ip.

@Heirren: Why dont they sue then, answer me that question

Wrong again, the reason Wii U didnt sell so good is cause consumers just werent interested in it. All the money in the world aint gonna change that fact. The world just doesnt work that way, you cant just pour money down a drain in hope magic might come out.

I said one of the reasons, the poor design was the biggest, but I still hold they would have generated more interest if they hadnt been creating ill will with streamers

You mean so Nintendo can control people? Than ya. You sing the praises of Nintendo advertisement, but they bombed with the wii u

@aigis: Control people? You dont have to sign up, you also can still use Nintendo's content under fair use. So im not sure what the issue is. All i see is entitlement to the creators content if they cant follow the laws and Nintendos wishes.

@iandizion713: True you dont have to sign up but heres what happens

############## With Creators System #############

You have to say good things about Nintendo or else you are out

You have to have everything approved by Nintendo

You have to give half your pay to Nintendo

############## Without Creators System #############

Nintendo claims you videos

Takes your money from said video

restart the cycle

At least you get half money when they control you, right?

@aigis:

Sue over what? The Nintendo Creator program was very clearly a means to avoid that.

@Heirren: Sue the people who dont use it then, why not? its their ip after all. The creators program is a scam anyways

Under "fair use", you can make money off Nintendo and they wont get a dime. You are protected by law. Now, anything that doesnt fall under fair use, its up to Nintendo to regulate and protect themselves. All companies do this.

For sure, but the things still covered by fair use are still claimed by Nintendo without consequences to them, but damage creators heavily

@aigis: Like what? Nintendo cant pull fair use, when have they ever?

@aigis:

I don't run the company. Perhaps they feel a Nintendo vs google/YouTube headline is not worth it. Hence, the creators program.

With Nintendo being the only gaming company that does this shit and many games getting pretty significant support thanks to YouTube's feedback, they are indeed being stubborn and out of touch.

Chill with the apologism.

Companies are paying people to promote their products on social media but only nintendo run by old farts would shut down free marketing lmfao.

No, a video that is protected under fair use is claimed by Nintendo using youtube's copyright system

Nope, the creators program is a way for Nintendo to intimidate streamers into talking good about Nintendo or else they wont be able to play any of their games. They dont care about a headline for suing when the headline for the creators system is a negative one too. The reason is they dont have legal grounds, the creators program is just a way to abuse creators

@aigis: I know, but i would need an example, ive never seen it happen. Nintendo rarely pulls creators content, and they only do so when it doesnt fall under protection from law. Nintendo is not above the law.

@aigis:

Did you not read a single thing I had said. It's Nintendo's responsibility to put a legal foot down in order to protect their IP, trademarks, and copyrights.

@Heirren: Have you read what I've written, I'm totally in agreement with putting a legal foot down, but Nintendo goes over the line. They use bully and intimidation tactics while abusing youtubes broken copyright system

@aigis: You need facts though. Rumors of them bulling and removing fair use content wont help. And plenty of people who are under Nintendos Program do not say good things about Nintendo, some are even too harsh on Nintendo.

Its not 100% Nintendo's fault, Google needs to step in and fix their copyright system, but that doesnt mean Nintendo has to abuse it

Its not rumors though, its happening

@aigis: Angry Joes case is not protected by fair use. He violated the fair use law and was punished for it. He even knew the rules before he did it.

yes it is, 100% fair use

@aigis: Lets Plays are not protected under fair use. They expose the full original content of the creators. In order to do Lets Plays you have to use Nintendos Program.

Who the hell said anything about jail?

Learn to read.

@iandizion713: Heres an article I found on the topic