Nintendo Could Knock Either Sony or Microsft out of the Console Industry.
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4) 3D support. Yes, 3DTVs are expensive now in 2011, but in 2013 they will be very cheap. Add 3D support just to be future-ready. All it takes is a mere firmware update PandaBear86
Actually, 3D isn't even adding to price anymore. Unless you are buying the crappiest of models, 3D is there. Both Panasonic and Samsung have 3D as standard in their 2011 mid level models. In fact, Panasonic recently released the ST30, which costs between 1000-1200 dollars depending on the size you go for.
Does anyone else not see this as a faulty strategy?rawsavon
Releasing a new console 6 years after the last one? Releasing a console 2 years ahead of the competition? Those 2 years may even allow for a price drop by the time the competition rolls around. Those 2 years may create a massive installed base. Second generation games will be coming to the Nintendo system when the others will have (typically) shoddy launch titles. By the time the competition is just picking up, the Nintendo console will have been out for maybe 4 years.
It seems that this console is ready to be released, based on what Miyamoto had said. I'd be willing to bet that Nintendo may try to make the US holiday season--could be September/october/november.
Overall it seems like good stratedgy, imo. YOu also have to remember that the wii is winding down--which means Nintendo buyers will eventually become bored and may venture off to the other platforms. The trick is to maintain interest.
Nintendo could very well knock themselves out if they don't play their cards right.MrSelf-Destruct
LOL are you serious ? Nintendo has, will and always dominate the gaming world in quality consoles, games and sales numbers. They are the only true gaming company left, a company that totally derives it's profits from the manufacturing and selling of gaming hardware and software.
Atari's gone, Sega's gone, Nintendo is the only one left that is 100% video gaming hardware and software, they obviously know the business better than anyone, and they've proven it time and time again, and there about to prove it yet again at E3 2011.
I think you guys are underestimating how cool and handy Nintendo's controller will be. Once you start playing games on your console from anywhere in the house you'll be hooked. Sony and Microsoft will HAVE to follow suit. Casuals are going to eat it up, as well as the hardcore. It's the elimination of split screen gaming and hopefully a little bit of a return in offline/LAN gaming. It's going to be one of the biggest revolutions in video game history, IMOTigerWars
Wait, is that true? If it is, then it is all coming together. Nintendo is aiming to create a new gaming crowd. The name backs up your statement, as well--Project "Cafe". A social gathering of sorts. For example, a coffee shop could have one Nintendo console on hand, and customers could literally just bring their controllers with them and play games. Hmm...that is quite brilliant if it turns out to be the case. It makes sense, considering there are numerous businesses such as bars/clubs that bought wiis specifically to have "themed" nights, etc.
That's kind of what I expect. I dont think Nintendo will carry most of their Wii audience into the next gen.I don't think so. Most of those casuals won't be buying another Nintendo product anyway since they have Wii strictly for things like Wii Sports and Just Dance. They don't follow the industry nor care what newer iterations of those games come out
BPoole96
I think you guys are underestimating how cool and handy Nintendo's controller will be. Once you start playing games on your console from anywhere in the house you'll be hooked. Sony and Microsoft will HAVE to follow suit. Casuals are going to eat it up, as well as the hardcore. It's the elimination of split screen gaming and hopefully a little bit of a return in offline/LAN gaming. It's going to be one of the biggest revolutions in video game history, IMOTigerWarsHeh, one of the advantages of launching 2 years later is they're free to copy it if it catches on, while still creating a more powerful system.
FWIW, I feel like Sony has already experimented with the core concept of Project Cafe on the PSP. "Remote Play" has allowed people to play certain PS3 games like Lair wirelessly on their handheld for years.
[QUOTE="TigerWars"]I think you guys are underestimating how cool and handy Nintendo's controller will be. Once you start playing games on your console from anywhere in the house you'll be hooked. Sony and Microsoft will HAVE to follow suit. Casuals are going to eat it up, as well as the hardcore. It's the elimination of split screen gaming and hopefully a little bit of a return in offline/LAN gaming. It's going to be one of the biggest revolutions in video game history, IMOHeirren
Wait, is that true? If it is, then it is all coming together. Nintendo is aiming to create a new gaming crowd. The name backs up your statement, as well--Project "Cafe". A social gathering of sorts. For example, a coffee shop could have one Nintendo console on hand, and customers could literally just bring their controllers with them and play games. Hmm...that is quite brilliant if it turns out to be the case. It makes sense, considering there are numerous businesses such as bars/clubs that bought wiis specifically to have "themed" nights, etc.
My train of thought exactly.[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Does anyone else not see this as a faulty strategy?Heirren
Releasing a new console 6 years after the last one? Releasing a console 2 years ahead of the competition? Those 2 years may even allow for a price drop by the time the competition rolls around. Those 2 years may create a massive installed base. Second generation games will be coming to the Nintendo system when the others will have (typically) shoddy launch titles. By the time the competition is just picking up, the Nintendo console will have been out for maybe 4 years.
It seems that this console is ready to be released, based on what Miyamoto had said. I'd be willing to bet that Nintendo may try to make the US holiday season--could be September/october/november.
Overall it seems like good stratedgy, imo. YOu also have to remember that the wii is winding down--which means Nintendo buyers will eventually become bored and may venture off to the other platforms. The trick is to maintain interest.
'When' they are releasing is not the issue. It is time for the next 'wii' (or w/e the end name is). The issue is what they are releasing. They are trying to play the middle ground...that usually does not work -they should either go cheap again (worked this gen) OR -they should take a full step ahead of what the PS3 and 360 are now This baby-step is neither -it is not a full generation ahead to capture the hard-core market -it looks to be too expensive to keep the casual market As I said before, will hard-core gamers buy a system that is not a full step ahead and will they trust nintendo to deliver the games they want (both first and 3rd party)??? Will casuals buy something that is that expensive (at that time the 360 and PS3 will be even cheaper + motion controls)???[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] Does anyone else not see this as a faulty strategy?rawsavon
Releasing a new console 6 years after the last one? Releasing a console 2 years ahead of the competition? Those 2 years may even allow for a price drop by the time the competition rolls around. Those 2 years may create a massive installed base. Second generation games will be coming to the Nintendo system when the others will have (typically) shoddy launch titles. By the time the competition is just picking up, the Nintendo console will have been out for maybe 4 years.
It seems that this console is ready to be released, based on what Miyamoto had said. I'd be willing to bet that Nintendo may try to make the US holiday season--could be September/october/november.
Overall it seems like good stratedgy, imo. YOu also have to remember that the wii is winding down--which means Nintendo buyers will eventually become bored and may venture off to the other platforms. The trick is to maintain interest.
'When' they are releasing is not the issue. It is time for the next 'wii' (or w/e the end name is). The issue is what they are releasing. They are trying to play the middle ground...that usually does not work -they should either go cheap again (worked this gen) OR -they should take a full step ahead of what the PS3 and 360 are now This baby-step is neither -it is not a full generation ahead to capture the hard-core market -it looks to be too expensive to keep the casual market As I said before, will hard-core gamers buy a system that is not a full step ahead and will they trust nintendo to deliver the games they want (both first and 3rd party)??? Will casuals buy something that is that expensive (at that time the 360 and PS3 will be even cheaper + motion controls)???What you are saying is based largely on assumptions. We haven't even seen the system yet! If it is going to retail for around $400, that means it is going to be a next gen console. I sure as heck hope that consoles aren't going to cost $600 at launch like the ps3--that cost sony a lot. Only within the last two years are they making up ground.
none of them are leaving, though I wish microsoft would.
bring back sega! :D * yes I know it'll never happen :P *
[QUOTE="Heirren"]'When' they are releasing is not the issue. It is time for the next 'wii' (or w/e the end name is). The issue is what they are releasing. They are trying to play the middle ground...that usually does not work -they should either go cheap again (worked this gen) OR -they should take a full step ahead of what the PS3 and 360 are now This baby-step is neither -it is not a full generation ahead to capture the hard-core market -it looks to be too expensive to keep the casual market As I said before, will hard-core gamers buy a system that is not a full step ahead and will they trust nintendo to deliver the games they want (both first and 3rd party)??? Will casuals buy something that is that expensive (at that time the 360 and PS3 will be even cheaper + motion controls)???Releasing a new console 6 years after the last one? Releasing a console 2 years ahead of the competition? Those 2 years may even allow for a price drop by the time the competition rolls around. Those 2 years may create a massive installed base. Second generation games will be coming to the Nintendo system when the others will have (typically) shoddy launch titles. By the time the competition is just picking up, the Nintendo console will have been out for maybe 4 years.
It seems that this console is ready to be released, based on what Miyamoto had said. I'd be willing to bet that Nintendo may try to make the US holiday season--could be September/october/november.
Overall it seems like good stratedgy, imo. YOu also have to remember that the wii is winding down--which means Nintendo buyers will eventually become bored and may venture off to the other platforms. The trick is to maintain interest.
rawsavon
I have to concur with this, if the rumor regarding the retail price is true. It's already possible to pickup a 4GB 360 + Kinect for $299. Pricing in the $350-400 range is all well and good if your goal is to attract the hardcore audience (they will pay the price), but it's out of most casual gamers' price range. And the price of the 360 & Kinect will drop over the next 2 years. Same with the PS3.
The hardcore audience has grown very skeptical of Nintendo's ability to maintain technical dominance, build solid online infrastructures and attract mature third party games. Furthermore, the majority of the hardcore audience presumably already owns a 360 or PS3. Project Cafe's technical capability may be a hard sell. It won't help if the system just receives a bunch of improved PS3/360 ports in its first two years. Then when Microsoft and Sony go up to the podium in E3 2012/2013 and announce their new system, all the hype will shift over to them.
Obviously I need more details to draw a solid conclusion, and this is just speculation -- I'm sure the system will find an audience and sell just fine. But I just don't see this strategy repeating the same kind of success the Wii had.
I can only talk based off my opinion and Nintendo aint doing crap. I have 0 interest in Nintendo's new system when it releases. Why? Simple. Even if it is as powerful or more powerful that the PS3 or 360, it still boils down to the games. And no matter how powerful the system is, Nintendo will still focus mainly on kiddy type games. Thanks, but no thanks.
Personally I think if Microsoft is forced out of the console market it is gonna be because of their dangerous lack of 1st party exclusves.
'When' they are releasing is not the issue. It is time for the next 'wii' (or w/e the end name is). The issue is what they are releasing. They are trying to play the middle ground...that usually does not work -they should either go cheap again (worked this gen) OR -they should take a full step ahead of what the PS3 and 360 are now This baby-step is neither -it is not a full generation ahead to capture the hard-core market -it looks to be too expensive to keep the casual market As I said before, will hard-core gamers buy a system that is not a full step ahead and will they trust nintendo to deliver the games they want (both first and 3rd party)??? Will casuals buy something that is that expensive (at that time the 360 and PS3 will be even cheaper + motion controls)???[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Heirren"]
Releasing a new console 6 years after the last one? Releasing a console 2 years ahead of the competition? Those 2 years may even allow for a price drop by the time the competition rolls around. Those 2 years may create a massive installed base. Second generation games will be coming to the Nintendo system when the others will have (typically) shoddy launch titles. By the time the competition is just picking up, the Nintendo console will have been out for maybe 4 years.
It seems that this console is ready to be released, based on what Miyamoto had said. I'd be willing to bet that Nintendo may try to make the US holiday season--could be September/october/november.
Overall it seems like good stratedgy, imo. YOu also have to remember that the wii is winding down--which means Nintendo buyers will eventually become bored and may venture off to the other platforms. The trick is to maintain interest.
Heirren
What you are saying is based largely on assumptions. We haven't even seen the system yet! If it is going to retail for around $400, that means it is going to be a next gen console. I sure as heck hope that consoles aren't going to cost $600 at launch like the ps3--that cost sony a lot. Only within the last two years are they making up ground.
USUALLY these rumors end up being pretty damn accurate (not always...but enough to put stock in them IMO).So it looks like we are going to get a PS3/360 1.25 or 1.5 level machine...that is a mistake IMO.
It also looks like it will cost at least $350-$400 with those controllers...I would say $450 (but who knows)...that is a mistake as well.
My point is that they should either do one strategy (true next gen [PS3/360 2.0 level] with all the cool stuff they want to put in) or do the other strategy (similar to what they did with the wii).
It is not like Nintendo has a perfect track record with consoles. The N64 did well but did not domiate. I won't even bring up the Virtualboy (nb4 too late). And the Gamecube was not that successful.
They have shown they can make pretty big mistakes. I just don't think this is the right move for them as a company (business wise)
This, gaming would be like a totalitarian dictactorship, everything would stagnate unless the only party in control decided they'd innovate for the hell of it, which they won't because it'd be cheaper to send out crap and make money off of it. Don't you know what happened with monopolies in the the early 20th century? Crappy products at exorbitant prices for the win I guess...Dream on. Neither one of those two are going anywhere right now. Plus should either Sony, Microsoft, or both of them were to disappear from the gaming industry, do you realize without hard competition, that there would be no innovation, no great games, no tons of 1st & or 2nd party games, etc.?
garland51
Microsoft could knock themselves out if they don't start focusing more on in-house development teams and stop relying so much on third party multiplats. They're able to get away with it this gen, but with Sony and Nintendo having quite a few top-notch first and second party devs already, Microsoft can't afford to fall too much farther behind if next gen all consoles are closer in power than they are this generation.
Bigboi500
Because the real world cares about exclusives, right?
[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]
Microsoft could knock themselves out if they don't start focusing more on in-house development teams and stop relying so much on third party multiplats. They're able to get away with it this gen, but with Sony and Nintendo having quite a few top-notch first and second party devs already, Microsoft can't afford to fall too much farther behind if next gen all consoles are closer in power than they are this generation.
garland51
Because the real world cares about exclusives, right?
Of course they do. If they can get the same multi-plats on other systesm, ones with great exclusives that they can't get anywhere else, why get the system without any?[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]
Microsoft could knock themselves out if they don't start focusing more on in-house development teams and stop relying so much on third party multiplats. They're able to get away with it this gen, but with Sony and Nintendo having quite a few top-notch first and second party devs already, Microsoft can't afford to fall too much farther behind if next gen all consoles are closer in power than they are this generation.
garland51
Because the real world cares about exclusives, right?
Yes. Exclusives are what seperate a system from the others. People why Nintendo systems because it has franchises like Mario and Zelda, Sony systems because they've got franchises like Metal Gear Solid and whatever franchise Naughty Dog happens to be working. What does Microsoft got? Halo, the franchise thatvery well may be the reason theoriginal Xbox survived,is finished and Bungie is gonna be working with Activision on soemthing else, Mass Effect multiplat now, Fable is also on PC. The only franchise I can think of is Gears of War and how much could one franchise carry a system?
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