Nintendo didn't get to where they are today by making bad games

I know it's hard for SW to understand, but it's true...even on the wii.

Everyday someone here complains that Nintendo only makes shovelware now, but they don't. They make quality games. If you're pissed about wii shovelware, call up your favorite third party devs and complain. Even the greats like Capcom, Konami, EA, Namco, Square Enix, and Sega are culprits.

Stop blaming the only developer who cares enough about you to actually make great Wii games.

For every person that uses "Wii Sports" and "WiiFit" as some sort of argument, you owe me a dollar. I'm calling it.

Stop blaming the only developer who cares enough about you to actually make great games.goblaa

Looking at the top selling games for the Wii, Wii fit, Wii Sports etc, we could argue that they are where they are today by making shovelware. While they have made a few great games this gen, they are few and far between.

i dont think anyone questions nintendos ability to make great games. unfortunately no one else is able to make great games consistantly for their consolesmonsterzero789

Looking at the top selling games for the Wii, Wii fit, Wii Sports etc, we could argue that they are where they are today by making shovelware. While they have made a few great games this gen, they are few and far between.

zarshack

Looking at the top selling games for the Wii, Wii fit, Wii Sports etc, we could argue that they are where they are today by making shovelware. While they have made a few great games this gen, they are few and far between.

zarshack

But Wii sports and Wii fit are not shovelware at all, they are high quality, polished and most importantly fun games.

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

Looking at the top selling games for the Wii, Wii fit, Wii Sports etc, we could argue that they are where they are today by making shovelware. While they have made a few great games this gen, they are few and far between.

PannicAtack

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

Looking at the top selling games for the Wii, Wii fit, Wii Sports etc, we could argue that they are where they are today by making shovelware. While they have made a few great games this gen, they are few and far between.

_BlueDuck_

But Wii sports and Wii fit are not shovelware at all, they are high quality, polished and most importantly fun games.

So what do we discuss? Yeah, blog it.

Oh yeah and, leave Brittany alone!

Nintendo got to where they are today, by remaking the same games over and over again. I have no idea how this has worked, but it has. Fortunately as I have gotten older I have realised this and now I try to stay clear of their games. The only title I'm dying for is a new Star Fox.

That is correct goblaa... unfortunately, the Wii's library doesn't consist of only Nintendo made games.

[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

Looking at the top selling games for the Wii, Wii fit, Wii Sports etc, we could argue that they are where they are today by making shovelware. While they have made a few great games this gen, they are few and far between.

zarshack

Wii Sports and the like are actually fully developed products.

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

Looking at the top selling games for the Wii, Wii fit, Wii Sports etc, we could argue that they are where they are today by making shovelware. While they have made a few great games this gen, they are few and far between.

_BlueDuck_

But Wii sports and Wii fit are not shovelware at all, they are high quality, polished and most importantly fun games.

Didn't Wii Fit get a 7.0?Shallow, dissapointing, problematic assessement?Not exactly polished if you ask me.

And Wii sports isn't even worth money, that's why its free with the console. Theres four games which are more like minigames and that's all you get.

Nintendo got to where they are today, by remaking the same games over and over again. I have no idea how this has worked, but it has. Fortunately as I have gotten older I have realised this and now I try to stay clear of their games. The only title I'm dying for is a new Star Fox.

bigblunt537

Well I wouldn't say remaking, there's a pretty big difference between games like Super Mario World, Super Mario 64, and Galaxy. Also, they aren't making a Wii starfox.

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

Looking at the top selling games for the Wii, Wii fit, Wii Sports etc, we could argue that they are where they are today by making shovelware. While they have made a few great games this gen, they are few and far between.

ColdP1zza

But Wii sports and Wii fit are not shovelware at all, they are high quality, polished and most importantly fun games.

Didn't Wii Fit get a 7.0?Shallow, dissapointing, problematic assessement?Not exactly polished if you ask me.

And Wii sports isn't even worth money, that's why its free with the console. Theres four games which are more like minigames and that's all you get.

These games did exactly what they set out to do and they did them well. They are notperfect by any means, but they are far from shovelware. Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus andWii Sports Resort all have averagescores of over 80on gamerankings.They are casual and non-gamer based games, no doubt, but that doesn't say anything about their quality. I'm well aware that these games don't interest many people here (including myself), but that's irrelevant. I have absolutely no interest in playing a Halo game, but does that mean it's shovelware? No, that's ridiculous.

The closest thing Nintendo has put out that's close to shovelware this generation is WiiPlay, but even that is a remote packed in with a 10 dollar minigame collection.

These games did exactly what they set out to do and they did them well. They are notperfect by any means, but they are far from shovelware. Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus andWii Sports Resort all have averagescores of over 80on gamerankings.They are casual and non-gamer based games, no doubt, but that doesn't say anything about their quality. I'm well aware that these games don't interest many people here (including myself), but that's irrelevant. I have absolutely no interest in playing a Halo game, but does that mean it's shovelware? No, that's ridiculous.

The closest thing Nintendo has put out that's close to shovelware this generation is WiiPlay, but even that is a remote packed in with a 10 dollar minigame collection.

_BlueDuck_

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

These games did exactly what they set out to do and they did them well. They are notperfect by any means, but they are far from shovelware. Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus andWii Sports Resort all have averagescores of over 80on gamerankings.They are casual and non-gamer based games, no doubt, but that doesn't say anything about their quality. I'm well aware that these games don't interest many people here (including myself), but that's irrelevant. I have absolutely no interest in playing a Halo game, but does that mean it's shovelware? No, that's ridiculous.

The closest thing Nintendo has put out that's close to shovelware this generation is WiiPlay, but even that is a remote packed in with a 10 dollar minigame collection.

zarshack

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

Looking at the top selling games for the Wii, Wii fit, Wii Sports etc, we could argue that they are where they are today by making shovelware. While they have made a few great games this gen, they are few and far between.

ColdP1zza

But Wii sports and Wii fit are not shovelware at all, they are high quality, polished and most importantly fun games.

Didn't Wii Fit get a 7.0?Shallow, dissapointing, problematic assessement?Not exactly polished if you ask me.

And Wii sports isn't even worth money, that's why its free with the console. Theres four games which are more like minigames and that's all you get.

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

These games did exactly what they set out to do and they did them well. They are notperfect by any means, but they are far from shovelware. Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus andWii Sports Resort all have averagescores of over 80on gamerankings.They are casual and non-gamer based games, no doubt, but that doesn't say anything about their quality. I'm well aware that these games don't interest many people here (including myself), but that's irrelevant. I have absolutely no interest in playing a Halo game, but does that mean it's shovelware? No, that's ridiculous.

The closest thing Nintendo has put out that's close to shovelware this generation is WiiPlay, but even that is a remote packed in with a 10 dollar minigame collection.

zarshack

I imagine Wii Music is a bad game (haven't played it myself), but from what I gather it's a bad game because of design choices, not because of corner cutting during development or simple bad programming. You get the feeling that Miyamoto genuinely thought he had a great concept and game on his hands with Wii Music. Unfortunately, he did not.

[QUOTE="zarshack"]

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

These games did exactly what they set out to do and they did them well. They are notperfect by any means, but they are far from shovelware. Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus andWii Sports Resort all have averagescores of over 80on gamerankings.They are casual and non-gamer based games, no doubt, but that doesn't say anything about their quality. I'm well aware that these games don't interest many people here (including myself), but that's irrelevant. I have absolutely no interest in playing a Halo game, but does that mean it's shovelware? No, that's ridiculous.

The closest thing Nintendo has put out that's close to shovelware this generation is WiiPlay, but even that is a remote packed in with a 10 dollar minigame collection.

_BlueDuck_

I imagine Wii Music is a bad game (haven't played it myself), but from what I gather it's a bad game because of design choices, not because of corner cutting during development or simple bad programming. You get the feeling that Miyamoto genuinely thought he had a great concept and game on his hands with Wii Music. Unfortunately, he did not.

I'm getting a "it doesn't matter if you win or lose, its about having fun" kind of vibe from you.

nintendo is rare indeed. ever since this gen, they've been the only ones to make quality shovelware. 2 years to make wii sports resort? seriously? where is my donkey kong at?

People are not saying NIntendo is making shovel ware but the Wii is full of it. Nintendo has always been a great dev but have slowed as of late.wooooode

No, every day someone here says nintendo needs to stop with the shovelware.

[QUOTE="_BlueDuck_"]

[QUOTE="zarshack"]What about Wii Music? :P

ColdP1zza

I imagine Wii Music is a bad game (haven't played it myself), but from what I gather it's a bad game because of design choices, not because of corner cutting during development or simple bad programming. You get the feeling that Miyamoto genuinely thought he had a great concept and game on his hands with Wii Music. Unfortunately, he did not.

I'm getting a "it doesn't matter if you win or lose, its about having fun" kind of vibe from you.

Is that supposed to be bad? That seems the best outlook to have.

nintendo is rare indeed. ever since this gen, they've been the only ones to make quality shovelware. 2 years to make wii sports resort? seriously? where is my donkey kong at?

ShockerD19

Nintendo sure is taking their sweet time aren't they. With all that money and all. It's not exactly their great games in the first place thats making the Wii what it is today. You have to remember. Nintendo have being failing the past 2 generations. What does that tell you.

Nintendo sure is taking their sweet time aren't they. With all that money and all. It's not exactly their great games in the first place thats making the Wii what it is today. You have to remember. Nintendo have being failing the past 2 generations. What does that tell you.

Crossel777

I know it's hard for SW to understand, but it's true...even on the wii.

Everyday someone here complains that Nintendo only makes shovelware now, but they don't. They make quality games. If you're pissed about wii shovelware, call up your favorite third party devs and complain. Even the greats like Capcom, Konami, EA, Namco, Square Enix, and Sega are culprits.

Stop blaming the only developer who cares enough about you to actually make great Wii games.

goblaa

Wow, seriously?:|

[QUOTE="ShockerD19"]

nintendo is rare indeed. ever since this gen, they've been the only ones to make quality shovelware. 2 years to make wii sports resort? seriously? where is my donkey kong at?

charizard1605

Super Mario Galaxy

Mario Kart Wii Super

Paper Mario

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

Super Smash Bros Brawl.

5 games. The rest haven't come out yet, or are for DS.

Dont waste your time TC. most people dont understand how the game industry works.

You guys do realise that people use words that they don't even know what means, right?

The highest selling Wii games are the ones with the depth of a teaspoon. To any 'hardcore' gamer, that would be considered shovelware to them. It doesn't mean that it's shovelware by actual definition.

But what I will say is that I impose most of Wii's successes because of what it is; a dead end. Just suckering in casuals for big bucks by making mini games and all these gimmicky accessories (but complaining about the Wii being gimmicky is like complaining about a midget for being short). Nintendo's actual core fan base still get their treats, I'm sure of it - but what do they consist of? Franchises that have been running for more than 10+ years. In the case of Mario, Metroid and Zelda, 20+ years. But when the core fan base gets what they want, others see it as milking old franchises. Nintendo really has put this on itself, in a way. If it had a stronger relationship with third-party developers, the Wii wouldn't be criticised anywhere near as much as it does now.

The one game they have for the holiday season is a slightly updated DS game w/ a new multiplayer mode. Last year's holiday line upwas Animal Crossing. They might have made amazing games before and may have some coming out next year (SMG2 , Metroid) doesnt change the fact they are barely releasing any games.

[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]

Nintendo got to where they are today, by remaking the same games over and over again. I have no idea how this has worked, but it has. Fortunately as I have gotten older I have realised this and now I try to stay clear of their games. The only title I'm dying for is a new Star Fox.

ColdP1zza

Well I wouldn't say remaking, there's a pretty big difference between games like Super Mario World, Super Mario 64, and Galaxy. Also, they aren't making a Wii starfox.

I'm sure they are. It's probably in development and nobody knows about it. Give it a year or 2 and I'm sure it will pop up in one of these E3's or Tokyo Game Shows.

Nintendo got to where they are today, by remaking the same games over and over again. I have no idea how this has worked, but it has. Fortunately as I have gotten older I have realised this and now I try to stay clear of their games. The only title I'm dying for is a new Star Fox.

bigblunt537

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="ShockerD19"]

nintendo is rare indeed. ever since this gen, they've been the only ones to make quality shovelware. 2 years to make wii sports resort? seriously? where is my donkey kong at?

Super Mario Galaxy

Mario Kart Wii Super

Paper Mario

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

Super Smash Bros Brawl.

5 games. The rest haven't come out yet, or are for DS.

[QUOTE="ColdP1zza"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Yeah, let's ignore the GREAT games they HAVE made:

Super Mario Galaxy

Mario Kart Wii Super

Paper Mario

Metroid Prime 3: Corruption

Super Smash Bros Brawl.charizard1605

5 games. The rest haven't come out yet, or are for DS.

In a way, they are slacking off. Nintendo is doing a great job developing games, but a poor job with quality control. All the Wii gets by 3rd party devs is minigames. But the problem is, Nintendo can't stop those games from being made because that's the selling point of the Wii. Gimmicky family oriented party games.

I know it's hard for SW to understand, but it's true...even on the wii.

Everyday someone here complains that Nintendo only makes shovelware now, but they don't. They make quality games. If you're pissed about wii shovelware, call up your favorite third party devs and complain. Even the greats like Capcom, Konami, EA, Namco, Square Enix, and Sega are culprits.

Stop blaming the only developer who cares enough about you to actually make great Wii games.

goblaa

nintendo needs more 3rd party support on the wii. the games developed by nintendo are amazing but the rest is craptacular. maybe nintendo needs to start lining some devs pockets with money and get them to start working on exclusives for the wii

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="ColdP1zza"]

5 games. The rest haven't come out yet, or are for DS.

In a way, they are slacking off. Nintendo is doing a great job developing games, but a poor job with quality control. All the Wii gets by 3rd party devs is minigames. But the problem is, Nintendo can't stop those games from being made because that's the selling point of the Wii. Gimmicky family oriented party games.

You guys say nintendo needs to crack down on third parties and shovleware... I'd like to know how you intend they do that? If nintendo starts telling third parites what they can and can't make or start refusing products based off their opinion of what's fun or good, then no one will make any games fro nintendo platforms.

nintendo made good games.........back in the early 90's:P

You guys say nintendo needs to crack down on third parties and shovleware... I'd like to know how you intend they do that? If nintendo starts telling third parites what they can and can't make or start refusing products based off their opinion of what's fun or good, then no one will make any games fro nintendo platforms.

goblaa

You guys say nintendo needs to crack down on third parties and shovleware... I'd like to know how you intend they do that? If nintendo starts telling third parites what they can and can't make or start refusing products based off their opinion of what's fun or good, then no one will make any games fro nintendo platforms.

goblaa

nintendo made good games.........back in the early 90's:P

ultraking

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

You guys say nintendo needs to crack down on third parties and shovleware... I'd like to know how you intend they do that? If nintendo starts telling third parites what they can and can't make or start refusing products based off their opinion of what's fun or good, then no one will make any games fro nintendo platforms.

charizard1605

nintendo made good games.........back in the early 90's:P

ultraking