Nintendo fooled us all: Wii in a classic Nintendo drought?

[QUOTE="Sonick54"]

[QUOTE="karicha9"][QUOTE="justdog11"][QUOTE="General_X"][QUOTE="justdog11"]Wow. Everyone's reaction is "not buying any games?" my question to you is: "Besides spm, what game in recent months or the near future is worth the 50 bucks?"karicha9

You got proof he doesn't?

Besides the indication that any reasonable person doesn't buy a console if they don't like the games for it?

Nope. Just a hunch based on the plethora of bashers that have used this same tactic.

True.

But still, we can't prove otherwise anyway.

This is the internet. You can lie through your teeth and not get caught. 

[QUOTE="freeload"]

Ok. Fixed. ;)

I think what he's really trying to say is that in his opinion, which I agree with by the way, most of the games out for Wii or indeed coming soon are complete trash for anyone but casuals/newbs/non gamers/easily satisfied gamers etc [note: those are my own categroies for the people that are actually satisfied with the current Wii lineup]. So, if you don't consider yourself one of those people, and honestly take a good look at the Wii's upcoming titles, it really does seem like there is a bit of a drought in quality and purchase-worthy titles. Very much like the GC situation in fact which he also mentioned (I wouldn't say it was as big a deal with the N64 since the few great titles it did have were trully great and they covered many genres including FPS, platform, action RPG, racing etc).

If you are happy with sub-par rehashes of old GC titles, Playstation 2/PSP games with Wiimote controls tacked on, or 3rd party "exclusives" that are so bad they should never have been released, then I think the Wii is doing pretty well, and I suspect many casuals will be happy with just that.

For the rest of us gamers however the majority of the Wii's library of titles is currently a pile of ****!

Iyethar

That's no better. I don't consider myself a "casual/newb/non gamer/easily satisfied gamer", but you clearly consider me such because of my preferences. And who are you speaking for when you say "us"? Are you a plurality in and of yourself?

LOL

If you are happy with the Wii's library so far then go be happy!

Who am I to stop your grand fun playing Red Steel...

Indeed. It's all subjective.freeload

If you know that, you should know better than to say things like this:

For the rest of us gamers however the majority of the Wii's library of titles is currently a pile of ****!freeload

..

LOL

If you are happy with the Wii's library so far then go be happy!

Who am I to stop your grand fun playing Red Steel...freeload

I've never played Red Steel. :|

If you're really okay with myself and others being happy with the Wii's library, why are you using childish peer pressure tactics to try to subvert that and change our opinions?  Defining us as "newbs", not "real" gamers?  Are you afraid?

[QUOTE="yoshi_64"][QUOTE="freeload"]

Ok. Fixed. ;)

I think what he's really trying to say is that in his opinion, which I agree with by the way, most of the games out for Wii or indeed coming soon are complete trash for anyone but casuals/newbs/non gamers/easily satisfied gamers etc [note: those are my own categroies for the people that are actually satisfied with the current Wii lineup]. So, if you don't consider yourself one of those people, and honestly take a good look at the Wii's upcoming titles, it really does seem like there is a bit of a drought in quality and purchase-worthy titles. Very much like the GC situation in fact which he also mentioned (I wouldn't say it was as big a deal with the N64 since the few great titles it did have were trully great and they covered many genres including FPS, platform, action RPG, racing etc).

If you are happy with sub-par rehashes of old GC titles, Playstation 2/PSP games with Wiimote controls tacked on, or 3rd party "exclusives" that are so bad they should never have been released, then I think the Wii is doing pretty well, and I suspect many casuals will be happy with just that.

For the rest of us gamers however the majority of the Wii's library of titles is currently a pile of ****!

freeload

Indeed. It's all subjective, but the majority of the Wii's lineup it total **** IMO! Of course that is just my opinion...

When I see a stand out game on the system (as in a game that I feel really deserves AAA), IMO, I'll let you all know so...

[QUOTE="freeload"]Indeed. It's all subjective.Iyethar

If you know that, you should know better than to say things like this: 

For the rest of us gamers however the majority of the Wii's library of titles is currently a pile of ****!freeload

And yet...I say it...

May God have mercy on my soul!

[QUOTE="Iyethar"]

[QUOTE="freeload"]Indeed. It's all subjective.freeload

If you know that, you should know better than to say things like this:

For the rest of us gamers however the majority of the Wii's library of titles is currently a pile of ****!freeload

And yet...I say it...

May God have mercy on my soul!

He might, but I won't. 

[QUOTE="Iyethar"][QUOTE="freeload"]

Ok. Fixed. ;)

I think what he's really trying to say is that in his opinion, which I agree with by the way, most of the games out for Wii or indeed coming soon are complete trash for anyone but casuals/newbs/non gamers/easily satisfied gamers etc [note: those are my own categroies for the people that are actually satisfied with the current Wii lineup]. So, if you don't consider yourself one of those people, and honestly take a good look at the Wii's upcoming titles, it really does seem like there is a bit of a drought in quality and purchase-worthy titles. Very much like the GC situation in fact which he also mentioned (I wouldn't say it was as big a deal with the N64 since the few great titles it did have were trully great and they covered many genres including FPS, platform, action RPG, racing etc).

If you are happy with sub-par rehashes of old GC titles, Playstation 2/PSP games with Wiimote controls tacked on, or 3rd party "exclusives" that are so bad they should never have been released, then I think the Wii is doing pretty well, and I suspect many casuals will be happy with just that.

For the rest of us gamers however the majority of the Wii's library of titles is currently a pile of ****!

freeload

That's no better. I don't consider myself a "casual/newb/non gamer/easily satisfied gamer", but you clearly consider me such because of my preferences. And who are you speaking for when you say "us"? Are you a plurality in and of yourself?

LOL 

If you are happy with the Wii's library so far then go be happy!

Who am I to stop your grand fun playing Red Steel... 

I like how you mock those who enjoy those games :|

You do realize i could very well mock you for enjoying the same type you enjoy right? 

You do realize i could very well mock you for enjoying the same type you enjoy right?

Sonick54

[QUOTE="Sonick54"]

You do realize i could very well mock you for enjoying the same type you enjoy right?

Jandurin

He's so much more awesome than us.  He's a real gamer.

[QUOTE="karicha9"][QUOTE="justdog11"][QUOTE="General_X"][QUOTE="justdog11"]Wow. Everyone's reaction is "not buying any games?" my question to you is: "Besides spm, what game in recent months or the near future is worth the 50 bucks?"Sonick54

You got proof he doesn't? 

He thinks smooth moves has a story mode? I didnt think any one could be as stupid to even consider that a story? the whole piont of Smooth moves are the mini-game  same with all the wario ware games. Why would you buy a game made up of minigames , if you dont like mini-games? thats just plain stupid.

[QUOTE="freeload"][QUOTE="Iyethar"][QUOTE="freeload"]

Ok. Fixed. ;)

I think what he's really trying to say is that in his opinion, which I agree with by the way, most of the games out for Wii or indeed coming soon are complete trash for anyone but casuals/newbs/non gamers/easily satisfied gamers etc [note: those are my own categroies for the people that are actually satisfied with the current Wii lineup]. So, if you don't consider yourself one of those people, and honestly take a good look at the Wii's upcoming titles, it really does seem like there is a bit of a drought in quality and purchase-worthy titles. Very much like the GC situation in fact which he also mentioned (I wouldn't say it was as big a deal with the N64 since the few great titles it did have were trully great and they covered many genres including FPS, platform, action RPG, racing etc).

If you are happy with sub-par rehashes of old GC titles, Playstation 2/PSP games with Wiimote controls tacked on, or 3rd party "exclusives" that are so bad they should never have been released, then I think the Wii is doing pretty well, and I suspect many casuals will be happy with just that.

For the rest of us gamers however the majority of the Wii's library of titles is currently a pile of ****!

Sonick54

That's no better. I don't consider myself a "casual/newb/non gamer/easily satisfied gamer", but you clearly consider me such because of my preferences. And who are you speaking for when you say "us"? Are you a plurality in and of yourself?

LOL 

If you are happy with the Wii's library so far then go be happy!

Who am I to stop your grand fun playing Red Steel... 

I like how you mock those who enjoy those games :|

You do realize i could very well mock you for enjoying the same type you enjoy right? 

You certainly could. However, I think you will find that Gamestats/Gamerankings (most game review sites) and indeed most people who currently play games, would most probably enjoy the same games that I enjoy and tend to rate highly as great games...

Of course, it's still all subjective, of course...

[QUOTE="Sonick54"][QUOTE="freeload"][QUOTE="Iyethar"][QUOTE="freeload"]

Ok. Fixed. ;)

I think what he's really trying to say is that in his opinion, which I agree with by the way, most of the games out for Wii or indeed coming soon are complete trash for anyone but casuals/newbs/non gamers/easily satisfied gamers etc [note: those are my own categroies for the people that are actually satisfied with the current Wii lineup]. So, if you don't consider yourself one of those people, and honestly take a good look at the Wii's upcoming titles, it really does seem like there is a bit of a drought in quality and purchase-worthy titles. Very much like the GC situation in fact which he also mentioned (I wouldn't say it was as big a deal with the N64 since the few great titles it did have were trully great and they covered many genres including FPS, platform, action RPG, racing etc).

If you are happy with sub-par rehashes of old GC titles, Playstation 2/PSP games with Wiimote controls tacked on, or 3rd party "exclusives" that are so bad they should never have been released, then I think the Wii is doing pretty well, and I suspect many casuals will be happy with just that.

For the rest of us gamers however the majority of the Wii's library of titles is currently a pile of ****!

freeload

That's no better. I don't consider myself a "casual/newb/non gamer/easily satisfied gamer", but you clearly consider me such because of my preferences. And who are you speaking for when you say "us"? Are you a plurality in and of yourself?

LOL

If you are happy with the Wii's library so far then go be happy!

Who am I to stop your grand fun playing Red Steel...

I like how you mock those who enjoy those games :|

You do realize i could very well mock you for enjoying the same type you enjoy right?

You certainly could. However, I think you will find that Gamestats/Gamerankings (or most game review sites) and indeed most people who currently play games, would most probably enjoy the same games that I enjoy and tend to rate highly as great games...

Of course, it's still all subjective, of course...

Um....the whole world doesn't use GR to choose what they want to play.

GS is the minority here.

Heck, it's not even the minority.

It's a dot in the world. 

You certainly could. However, I think you will find that Gamestats/Gamerankings (or most game review sites) and indeed most people who currently play games, would most probably enjoy the same games that I enjoy and tend to rate highly as great games...

Of course, it's still all subjective, of course...

 

freeload

You're a dirty conformist.

If you're going to claim that your opinion is better because you think it intersects closely with the opinions of game reviewers, I'll retort that my opinion is better because it intersects closely with the purchasing habits of game consumers. 

Every Console gets into a drought at least once in it's lifespan, the wii is no exception.

But i do agree that this drought is just Nintendo's usual droughts but droughts dont last forever and like most Nintendo droughts, they usually end with something awesome

[QUOTE="freeload"]

You certainly could. However, I think you will find that Gamestats/Gamerankings (or most game review sites) and indeed most people who currently play games, would most probably enjoy the same games that I enjoy and tend to rate highly as great games...

Of course, it's still all subjective, of course...

 

Iyethar

You're a dirty conformist. 

You are of course entitles to your opinion.

:)

[QUOTE="Iyethar"][QUOTE="freeload"]

You certainly could. However, I think you will find that Gamestats/Gamerankings (or most game review sites) and indeed most people who currently play games, would most probably enjoy the same games that I enjoy and tend to rate highly as great games...

Of course, it's still all subjective, of course...

 

freeload

You're a dirty conformist.

You are of course entitles to your opinion.

:)

Tell me something I don't know.

My good Nintendo loving friends, Panda has scryed the market and attempted to inform you of the truth of what Nintendo is attempting to do to this industry and how it will effect you in the process. You are seeing only the early stages of Nintendo's innovative and aggressive marketing strats. Nintendo fans are being supplied with intellectually dead forms of entertainment -- the games are hollow renditions of ideas that are well over twenty years old. These games are being presented in a fashion that puts them three years behind the industry's potential in terms of graphical quality, size, and depth. Games that do break the mold of mass enfranchisement and marketing idolrey (sp) rarely contain depth, quality, or meaningful entertainment. Decent games are elevated to a platform of perfection. A game as simple, and constructed upon tired and exploited ideas such as SPM, is receving far more credit than its "fun causing" factor merits, because Nintendo has managed to stagnate, even lower, industry standards on their console.

Nintendo will continue throwing long-term fans an occasional bone, in the form of twenty year old franchises devoid of worth, to ensure a margional profit while they aquire their new consumer base.  Nintendo will supply their new consumer base with a brand of products that meet their demands; demands that radically differ from those of a long-term Nintendo fan.  Nintendo fans can either conform to the demand of new consumers or watch their consoles collect dust.  

I'm sure they'll acquire a more than marginal profit.

Regardless, let us see what SMG delivers before we decide the entire future of Nintendo, eh?

It looks to be a bit of the mold-breaking you seek.

Edit:  You deleted the only part I responded to directly! 

Uninteresting games = No purchase of games = game drought

This depends on an individuals preferances and tolerance to boredom. 

I'm sure they'll acquire a more than marginal profit.

Regardless, let us see what SMG delivers before we decide the entire future of Nintendo, eh?

It looks to be a bit of the mold-breaking you seek.

Jandurin

My good Nintendo loving friends, Panda has scryed the market and attempted to inform you of the truth of what Nintendo is attempting to do to this industry and how it will effect you in the process. You are seeing only the early stages of Nintendo's innovative and aggressive marketing strats. Nintendo fans are being supplied with intellectually dead forms of entertainment -- the games are hollow renditions of ideas that are well over twenty years old. These games are being presented in a fashion that puts them three years behind the industry's potential in terms of graphical quality, size, and depth. Games that do break the mold of mass enfranchisement and marketing idolrey (sp) rarely contain depth, quality, or meaningful entertainment. Decent games are elevated to a platform of perfection. A game as simple, and constructed upon tired and exploited ideas such as SPM, is receving far more credit than its "fun causing" factor merits, because Nintendo has managed to stagnate, even lower, industry standards on their console.

Nintendo will continue throwing long-term fans an occasional bone, in the form of twenty year old franchises devoid of worth, to ensure a margional profit while they aquire their new consumer base. Nintendo will supply their new consumer base with a brand of products that meet their demands; demands that radically differ from those of a long-term Nintendo fan. Nintendo fans can either conform to the demand of new consumers or watch their consoles collect dust.

FoamingPanda

Why should sheep listen to a panda with rabies? 

Brain Training comes out sometime this month or next month. Mario Party 8, Pokemon Battle Revolution and Super Mario Strikers are all June if I'm not mistaken.nyoroism

And none of them have depth to last a long time or replayability. 

[QUOTE="nyoroism"]Brain Training comes out sometime this month or next month. Mario Party 8, Pokemon Battle Revolution and Super Mario Strikers are all June if I'm not mistaken.NobuoMusicMaker

And none of them have depth to last a long time or replayability.

I'm sure they'll acquire a more than marginal profit.

Regardless, let us see what SMG delivers before we decide the entire future of Nintendo, eh?

It looks to be a bit of the mold-breaking you seek.

Edit: You deleted the only part I responded to directly!

Jandurin

You know my ideas on gaming well enough to know that, unless SPG provides something more than the 12th platforming trip through excessively linear worlds devoid of depth and meaning, I believe the value of the game will be incredibly inflated simply because of the presense of a marketing icon.  I don't think SMG can save the Wii qualitatively (no single game can) -- its constructed on ideas that are too old, static, and simple. 

Nintendo has chosen to align itself with family friendly entertainment dissiminated to a far wider and broad market.  They have also lowered the net quality of their games, to conform to the lower expectations, perceptions, and demands of consumers outside the industry, to save on the cost of producing games.

As I've argued before, there is a perportional trade off between the size of the casual market and the scarcity (and quality) of meaningful games.  

[QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

My good Nintendo loving friends, Panda has scryed the market and attempted to inform you of the truth of what Nintendo is attempting to do to this industry and how it will effect you in the process. You are seeing only the early stages of Nintendo's innovative and aggressive marketing strats. Nintendo fans are being supplied with intellectually dead forms of entertainment -- the games are hollow renditions of ideas that are well over twenty years old. These games are being presented in a fashion that puts them three years behind the industry's potential in terms of graphical quality, size, and depth. Games that do break the mold of mass enfranchisement and marketing idolrey (sp) rarely contain depth, quality, or meaningful entertainment. Decent games are elevated to a platform of perfection. A game as simple, and constructed upon tired and exploited ideas such as SPM, is receving far more credit than its "fun causing" factor merits, because Nintendo has managed to stagnate, even lower, industry standards on their console.

Nintendo will continue throwing long-term fans an occasional bone, in the form of twenty year old franchises devoid of worth, to ensure a margional profit while they aquire their new consumer base. Nintendo will supply their new consumer base with a brand of products that meet their demands; demands that radically differ from those of a long-term Nintendo fan. Nintendo fans can either conform to the demand of new consumers or watch their consoles collect dust.

GundamGuy0

Why should sheep listen to a panda with rabies?

Because the Panda, a long time ago, was once a manticore with a thick coat of wool, and he knows that Nintendo could rise to meet the challenge and gamer-centric demands of our generation, if we would only demand it from Nintendo.  

[QUOTE="FoamingPanda"]

My good Nintendo loving friends, Panda has scryed the market and attempted to inform you of the truth of what Nintendo is attempting to do to this industry and how it will effect you in the process. You are seeing only the early stages of Nintendo's innovative and aggressive marketing strats. Nintendo fans are being supplied with intellectually dead forms of entertainment -- the games are hollow renditions of ideas that are well over twenty years old. These games are being presented in a fashion that puts them three years behind the industry's potential in terms of graphical quality, size, and depth. Games that do break the mold of mass enfranchisement and marketing idolrey (sp) rarely contain depth, quality, or meaningful entertainment. Decent games are elevated to a platform of perfection. A game as simple, and constructed upon tired and exploited ideas such as SPM, is receving far more credit than its "fun causing" factor merits, because Nintendo has managed to stagnate, even lower, industry standards on their console.

Nintendo will continue throwing long-term fans an occasional bone, in the form of twenty year old franchises devoid of worth, to ensure a margional profit while they aquire their new consumer base. Nintendo will supply their new consumer base with a brand of products that meet their demands; demands that radically differ from those of a long-term Nintendo fan. Nintendo fans can either conform to the demand of new consumers or watch their consoles collect dust.

GundamGuy0

Why should sheep listen to a panda with rabies? 

The fact that you didn't even buy Super Paper Mario shows that you're the one causing your own personal drought.nyoroism

i've been completely satisfied with the Wii so far, it has a fair number of steady games coming out, they might not be AAA but many of them are still great games. Haziqonfire

i only had enough finger strength 2

dont mess with the sheeps k?

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