Nintendo had one of the worst E3's ever, and they STILL get all the press.

My local news had some story on E3 and all they talked about was the Wii and it's cheap, gimmicky lineup. Also, Fox News keeps running a story about E3 and all they talk about is the new Wii Sports. They don't even mention the Microsoft and Sony conferences, both of which were much better. It's unbelievable that this stuff actually sells. The Wii is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. Ever.

My local news had some story on E3 and all they talked about was the Wii and it's cheap, gimmicky lineup. Also, Fox News keeps running a story about E3 and all they talk about is the new Wii Sports. It's unbelievable that this stuff actually sells. The Wii is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. Ever.

Gamer556

you sir are correct. wii ruined nintendo games imo. gamecubes games>>>wii games

It's a press conference. Nintendo may have had the worst conference from our perspective, but from the criteria of an actual press conference, they did it perfectly.

I'm pretty sure investers and retailers would disagree with most of us about who had the best conference.

E3 is no longer what we gamers think about. There is no booth babes, wild parties, and pre-game hype. Now it's nothing but being square with a business suit and counting your stock.

[QUOTE="Gamer556"]

My local news had some story on E3 and all they talked about was the Wii and it's cheap, gimmicky lineup. Also, Fox News keeps running a story about E3 and all they talk about is the new Wii Sports. It's unbelievable that this stuff actually sells. The Wii is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. Ever.

punkrocker163

you sir are correct. wii ruined nintendo games imo. gamecubes games>>>wii games

It's a press conference. Nintendo may have had the worst conference from our perspective, but from the criteria of an actual press conference, they did it perfectly.

I'm pretty sure investers and retailers would disagree with most of us about who had the best conference.

Tylendal

E3 is no longer what we gamers think about. There is no booth babes, wild parties, and pre-game hype. Now it's nothing but being square with a business suit and counting your stock.

FireEmblem_Man

These are true.

My local news had some story on E3 and all they talked about was the Wii and it's cheap, gimmicky lineup. Also, Fox News keeps running a story about E3 and all they talk about is the new Wii Sports. It's unbelievable that this stuff actually sells. The Wii is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. Ever.

Gamer556

Agreed. But thats the mind numbed masses for ya. Just look at what films gross the most at the box office and what "music" dominates radio and billboard charts.

Simplicity, repetition, and gimmicks sell. The average consumer is not as sophisticated as you may think.

[QUOTE="Gamer556"]

My local news had some story on E3 and all they talked about was the Wii and it's cheap, gimmicky lineup. Also, Fox News keeps running a story about E3 and all they talk about is the new Wii Sports. It's unbelievable that this stuff actually sells. The Wii is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. Ever.

evilross

Agreed. But thats the mind numbed masses for ya. Just look at what films gross the most at the box office and what "music" dominates radio and billboard charts.

Simplicity, repetition, and gimmicks sell. The average consumer is not as sophisticated as you may think.

as opposed to that 'hardcore' gamer - who wont by a game without a number in the title...

It's a press conference. Nintendo may have had the worst conference from our perspective, but from the criteria of an actual press conference, they did it perfectly.

I'm pretty sure investers and retailers would disagree with most of us about who had the best conference.

Tylendal

Are you an investor or a major retailer? Probably not. Why should us gamers give a **** about Nintendo's financial succes? I want good games, and they're not putting out. You can pretend like the show is catered to investors and retailers, and to some extent it is, but for you to be satisfied with that abysmal showing disgusts me. It's a game conference, and there were no games. You don't need to buy a ticket to E3 to know how well Nintendo is doing financially. We all get the NPD numbers. This was a chance for them to impress their loyal fans, and all they did was give you the finger.

well i guess from there point of view, casual gamers would be watching.ZenesisX

Yeah, because my mom was glued to her computer screen for the live conference.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

It's a press conference. Nintendo may have had the worst conference from our perspective, but from the criteria of an actual press conference, they did it perfectly.

I'm pretty sure investers and retailers would disagree with most of us about who had the best conference.

Gamer556

Are you an investor or a major retailer? Probably not. Why should us gamers give a **** about Nintendo's financial succes? I want good games, and they're not putting out. You can pretend like the show is catered to investors and retailers, and to some extent it is, but for you to be satisfied with that abysmal showing disgusts me. It's a game conference, and there were no games. You don't need to buy a ticket to E3 to know how well Nintendo is doing financially. We all get the NPD numbers. This was a chance for them to impress their loyal fans, and all they did was give you the finger.

go look at the offical name for E3 - then come back to us...

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

It's a press conference. Nintendo may have had the worst conference from our perspective, but from the criteria of an actual press conference, they did it perfectly.

I'm pretty sure investers and retailers would disagree with most of us about who had the best conference.

Gamer556

Are you an investor or a major retailer? Probably not. Why should us gamers give a **** about Nintendo's financial succes? I want good games, and they're not putting out. You can pretend like the show is catered to investors and retailers, and to some extent it is, but for you to be satisfied with that abysmal showing disgusts me. It's a game conference, and there were no games. You don't need to buy a ticket to E3 to know how well Nintendo is doing financially. We all get the NPD numbers. This was a chance for them to impress their loyal fans, and all they did was give you the finger.

Did I ever say I was pleased with the Nintendo press conference? And investers and retailers are exactly what the show caters to. It's not a "Expo" anymore, it's a "Business Summit". Yes, I was very dissipointed with their press conference, but I believe that they will show more at a smaller, more gamer oriented, conference.

[QUOTE="ZenesisX"]well i guess from there point of view, casual gamers would be watching.Gamer556

Yeah, because my mom was glued to her computer screen for the live conference.

No, from their point of view, the people in the audience, who were invited, were watching. If they really wanted to cater the conference to gamers, they would have invited us.

Did I ever say I was pleased with the Nintendo press conference? And investers and retailers are exactly what the show caters to. It's not a "Expo" anymore, it's a "Business Summit". Yes, I was very dissipointed with their press conference, but I believe that they will show more at a smaller, more gamer oriented, conference.

Tylendal

I like you - neither acting like the universe revolves around you, nor pretending like from a gamer perspective ninty had anything but a boring conference - yay sanity!

It's a press conference. Nintendo may have had the worst conference from our perspective, but from the criteria of an actual press conference, they did it perfectly.

I'm pretty sure investers and retailers would disagree with most of us about who had the best conference.

Tylendal

Exactly E3 is aimed at getting press coverage now, the 3rd parties are the ones who show off the decent stuff. So in that respect Nintendo's conference clearly won if that's all you're hearing about.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

It's a press conference. Nintendo may have had the worst conference from our perspective, but from the criteria of an actual press conference, they did it perfectly.

I'm pretty sure investers and retailers would disagree with most of us about who had the best conference.

Gamer556

Are you an investor or a major retailer? Probably not. Why should us gamers give a **** about Nintendo's financial succes? I want good games, and they're not putting out. You can pretend like the show is catered to investors and retailers, and to some extent it is, but for you to be satisfied with that abysmal showing disgusts me. It's a game conference, and there were no games. You don't need to buy a ticket to E3 to know how well Nintendo is doing financially. We all get the NPD numbers. This was a chance for them to impress their loyal fans, and all they did was give you the finger.

[QUOTE="punkrocker163"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

My local news had some story on E3 and all they talked about was the Wii and it's cheap, gimmicky lineup. Also, Fox News keeps running a story about E3 and all they talk about is the new Wii Sports. It's unbelievable that this stuff actually sells. The Wii is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. Ever.

Shinobishyguy

you sir are correct. wii ruined nintendo games imo. gamecubes games>>>wii games

i knew i shouldve added that detail but i didnt. besides that. i played melee for way longer than brawl. idk why it wasnt as fun. but all their games nowadays are to hardcore like animal crossing. haha.

[QUOTE="Willy105"]Hmmmm.... how ironic. Nintendo literally created a rip in the universe, with the dimension where hardcore fans are crying and the dimension where it gets into the mainstream news. Oh well.Thebettertwin

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="punkrocker163"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

My local news had some story on E3 and all they talked about was the Wii and it's cheap, gimmicky lineup. Also, Fox News keeps running a story about E3 and all they talk about is the new Wii Sports. It's unbelievable that this stuff actually sells. The Wii is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. Ever.

punkrocker163

you sir are correct. wii ruined nintendo games imo. gamecubes games>>>wii games

i knew i shouldve added that detail but i didnt. besides that. i played melee for way longer than brawl. idk why it wasnt as fun. but all their games nowadays are to hardcore like animal crossing. haha.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="punkrocker163"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

My local news had some story on E3 and all they talked about was the Wii and it's cheap, gimmicky lineup. Also, Fox News keeps running a story about E3 and all they talk about is the new Wii Sports. It's unbelievable that this stuff actually sells. The Wii is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. Ever.

punkrocker163

you sir are correct. wii ruined nintendo games imo. gamecubes games>>>wii games

i knew i shouldve added that detail but i didnt. besides that. i played melee for way longer than brawl. idk why it wasnt as fun. but all their games nowadays are to hardcore like animal crossing. haha.

[QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

It's a press conference. Nintendo may have had the worst conference from our perspective, but from the criteria of an actual press conference, they did it perfectly.

I'm pretty sure investers and retailers would disagree with most of us about who had the best conference.

Tylendal

Are you an investor or a major retailer? Probably not. Why should us gamers give a **** about Nintendo's financial succes? I want good games, and they're not putting out. You can pretend like the show is catered to investors and retailers, and to some extent it is, but for you to be satisfied with that abysmal showing disgusts me. It's a game conference, and there were no games. You don't need to buy a ticket to E3 to know how well Nintendo is doing financially. We all get the NPD numbers. This was a chance for them to impress their loyal fans, and all they did was give you the finger.

Did I ever say I was pleased with the Nintendo press conference? And investers and retailers are exactly what the show caters to. It's not a "Expo" anymore, it's a "Business Summit". Yes, I was very dissipointed with their press conference, but I believe that they will show more at a smaller, more gamer oriented, conference.

Today's E3 is not the same E3 of old, that is true, but it's still the most known game conference in the world. This was their chance to show us gamers something to look forward, and instead they gave us some lame soccer mom and the sorriest lineup you've ever seen. Their show didn't have to be spectactular (Microsoft and Sony's weren't), but what they gave us was almost insulting. If they felt they didn't need to show up on the biggest stage, what makes you think they'll wow us at some smaller show? I just don't see it happening.

[QUOTE="Thebettertwin"][QUOTE="Willy105"]Hmmmm.... how ironic. Nintendo literally created a rip in the universe, with the dimension where hardcore fans are crying and the dimension where it gets into the mainstream news. Oh well.Willy105

It's because Nintendo has the money.

You are witnessing the economy, folks. This is human behavior.

Shall I explain?

That's cause Nintendo did win E3. The mainstream press is there covering the event and that's who Nintendo was catering their conference to. Do people still think that E3 is that gaming behemoth it used to be? No, this isn't your grandfather's E3. It's the new downsized version which every gaming press, retailer, dev, etc. wanted and this is what you get.Zhengi

Correct. Money wise, Nintendo A++++++++++

Microsoft B-

Sony D

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

It's a press conference. Nintendo may have had the worst conference from our perspective, but from the criteria of an actual press conference, they did it perfectly.

I'm pretty sure investers and retailers would disagree with most of us about who had the best conference.

Gamer556

Are you an investor or a major retailer? Probably not. Why should us gamers give a **** about Nintendo's financial succes? I want good games, and they're not putting out. You can pretend like the show is catered to investors and retailers, and to some extent it is, but for you to be satisfied with that abysmal showing disgusts me. It's a game conference, and there were no games. You don't need to buy a ticket to E3 to know how well Nintendo is doing financially. We all get the NPD numbers. This was a chance for them to impress their loyal fans, and all they did was give you the finger.

Did I ever say I was pleased with the Nintendo press conference? And investers and retailers are exactly what the show caters to. It's not a "Expo" anymore, it's a "Business Summit". Yes, I was very dissipointed with their press conference, but I believe that they will show more at a smaller, more gamer oriented, conference.

Today's E3 is not the same E3 of old, that is true, but it's still the most known game conference in the world. This was their chance to show us gamers something to look forward, and instead they gave us some lame soccer mom and the sorriest lineup you've ever seen. Their show didn't have to be spectactular (Microsoft and Sony's weren't), but what they gave us was almost insulting. If they felt they didn't need to show up on the biggest stage, what makes you think they'll wow us at some smaller show? I just don't see it happening.

You're just not getting it. E3 ISN'T the E3 of old. This wasn't their chance to show gamers something, this was their chance to show the industry something. Of course they're going to discuss business at a business summit. And that's why I expect bigger announcements at a proper convention or expo. Because conventions and expos are made for fan service...

That's cause Nintendo did win E3. The mainstream press is there covering the event and that's who Nintendo was catering their conference to. Do people still think that E3 is that gaming behemoth it used to be? No, this isn't your grandfather's E3. It's the new downsized version which every gaming press, retailer, dev, etc. wanted and this is what you get.Zhengi

If that were the case, and E3 were nothing more than an event for financial gloating, why did Nintendo show us any games at all? They could have shown us charts and graphs for the full hour instead of just the first 15 minutes. The reason is because E3 is still an event for showcasing games, and in that regard Nintendo did a terrible job.

[QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

It's a press conference. Nintendo may have had the worst conference from our perspective, but from the criteria of an actual press conference, they did it perfectly.

I'm pretty sure investers and retailers would disagree with most of us about who had the best conference.

Tylendal

Are you an investor or a major retailer? Probably not. Why should us gamers give a **** about Nintendo's financial succes? I want good games, and they're not putting out. You can pretend like the show is catered to investors and retailers, and to some extent it is, but for you to be satisfied with that abysmal showing disgusts me. It's a game conference, and there were no games. You don't need to buy a ticket to E3 to know how well Nintendo is doing financially. We all get the NPD numbers. This was a chance for them to impress their loyal fans, and all they did was give you the finger.

Did I ever say I was pleased with the Nintendo press conference? And investers and retailers are exactly what the show caters to. It's not a "Expo" anymore, it's a "Business Summit". Yes, I was very dissipointed with their press conference, but I believe that they will show more at a smaller, more gamer oriented, conference.

Today's E3 is not the same E3 of old, that is true, but it's still the most known game conference in the world. This was their chance to show us gamers something to look forward, and instead they gave us some lame soccer mom and the sorriest lineup you've ever seen. Their show didn't have to be spectactular (Microsoft and Sony's weren't), but what they gave us was almost insulting. If they felt they didn't need to show up on the biggest stage, what makes you think they'll wow us at some smaller show? I just don't see it happening.

You're just not getting it. E3 ISN'T the E3 of old. This wasn't their chance to show gamers something, this was their chance to show the industry something. Of course they're going to discuss business at a business summit. And that's why I expect bigger announcements at a proper convention or expo. Because conventions and expos are made for fan service...

What I saw was not a business summit. It was a little bit of gloating and a whole lot of bad games. E3 has been downsized and is not the flashy circus show of the past, but it certainly hasn't been reduced to a suit and tie meeting solely for financial partners. Gamespot wasn't invited because of their financial ties. They were invited to cover games, because E3 is still a gaming convention, if a somewhat more civilized one.

My local news had some story on E3 and all they talked about was the Wii and it's cheap, gimmicky lineup. Also, Fox News keeps running a story about E3 and all they talk about is the new Wii Sports. They don't even mention the Microsoft and Sony conferences, both of which were much better. It's unbelievable that this stuff actually sells. The Wii is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. Ever.

Gamer556

You would rather Nintendo have released another 360/PS3? You want 3 identicle systems? Believe it or not some people are tired of playing the same game over and over, but with more gloss. The wii is the only system that actually involves innovation. The ps3 and 360 merely attempt to mimic the PC, and fail on every single front, except for simplicity.

While the wii has been the only innovative console, it has'nt NEARLY lived up to its potential, but it single handedly guarantees that the next gen will save console gaming. If Nintendo released a PS3/360 clone this gen the entire console gaming industry would have gone downhill continuously, and then in an attempt to revitalize the industry at least one of the companies would've made a wii-esque console the gen after this one.... And you would be here complaining, but just a few years later. The single worst thing to happen to gaming is a tie between GTA:SA and the Halo series.

Considering how Microsoft came out with all these casual-oriented features and some family-friendly games, Nintendo still gets more attention just with Animal Crossing and Wii Music. Microsoft tries to go mainstream and yet gets no mainstream love.

Nintendo might have lost among the hardcore gamers, but the casual media loved it.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

It's a press conference. Nintendo may have had the worst conference from our perspective, but from the criteria of an actual press conference, they did it perfectly.

I'm pretty sure investers and retailers would disagree with most of us about who had the best conference.

Gamer556

Are you an investor or a major retailer? Probably not. Why should us gamers give a **** about Nintendo's financial succes? I want good games, and they're not putting out. You can pretend like the show is catered to investors and retailers, and to some extent it is, but for you to be satisfied with that abysmal showing disgusts me. It's a game conference, and there were no games. You don't need to buy a ticket to E3 to know how well Nintendo is doing financially. We all get the NPD numbers. This was a chance for them to impress their loyal fans, and all they did was give you the finger.

Did I ever say I was pleased with the Nintendo press conference? And investers and retailers are exactly what the show caters to. It's not a "Expo" anymore, it's a "Business Summit". Yes, I was very dissipointed with their press conference, but I believe that they will show more at a smaller, more gamer oriented, conference.

Today's E3 is not the same E3 of old, that is true, but it's still the most known game conference in the world. This was their chance to show us gamers something to look forward, and instead they gave us some lame soccer mom and the sorriest lineup you've ever seen. Their show didn't have to be spectactular (Microsoft and Sony's weren't), but what they gave us was almost insulting. If they felt they didn't need to show up on the biggest stage, what makes you think they'll wow us at some smaller show? I just don't see it happening.

WRRRROOOOOOONNNNNNGGG! (in luther's voice, o' course) E3 is for investors, kindly shut your noise hole. You have no1 to be angry at but yourself for being delusional.

WRRRROOOOOOONNNNNNGGG! (in luther's voice, o' course) E3 is for investors, kindly shut your noise hole. You have no1 to be angry at but yourself for being delusional.

flclempire

My local news had some story on E3 and all they talked about was the Wii and it's cheap, gimmicky lineup. Also, Fox News keeps running a story about E3 and all they talk about is the new Wii Sports. They don't even mention the Microsoft and Sony conferences, both of which were much better. It's unbelievable that this stuff actually sells. The Wii is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. Ever.

Gamer556

[QUOTE="Gamer556"]

My local news had some story on E3 and all they talked about was the Wii and it's cheap, gimmicky lineup. Also, Fox News keeps running a story about E3 and all they talk about is the new Wii Sports. They don't even mention the Microsoft and Sony conferences, both of which were much better. It's unbelievable that this stuff actually sells. The Wii is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. Ever.

flclempire

You would rather Nintendo have released another 360/PS3? You want 3 identicle systems? Believe it or not some people are tired of playing the same game over and over, but with more gloss. The wii is the only system that actually involves innovation. The ps3 and 360 merely attempt to mimic the PC, and fail on every single front, except for simplicity.

While the wii has been the only innovative console, it has'nt NEARLY lived up to its potential, but it single handedly guarantees that the next gen will save console gaming. If Nintendo released a PS3/360 clone this gen the entire console gaming industry would have gone downhill continuously, and then in an attempt to revitalize the industry at least one of the companies would've made a wii-esque console the gen after this one.... And you would be here complaining, but just a few years later. The single worst thing to happen to gaming is a tie between GTA:SA and the Halo series.

That's a bunch of bull and you know it. A gimmicky controller, no matter how new it may be, does not excuse poor software. And since when has the gaming industry ever been in danger of declining? It's been steadily climbing since the NES days, without any motion sensing controllers. When gaming died out in the early 80's, it wasn't because of a lack of hardware innovation, it was because the games sucked. I guarantee you that an industry that relies on hardware gimmicks is much less stable than one that relies on a steady stream of quality software.

[QUOTE="flclempire"]

WRRRROOOOOOONNNNNNGGG! (in luther's voice, o' course) E3 is for investors, kindly shut your noise hole. You have no1 to be angry at but yourself for being delusional.

death919

Are we not talking about the conference? The nintendo conference only showcased the animal crossing trailer as an actual trailer. I'm not quite sure why they did that, its true that investors wouldn't care about that. Maybe they did it just to throw some scraps to the fans, although it obviously backfired. The showcase floor is for the gamers, but thats not what we are talking about. Nor is offstage e3 over.

It must be great to be 15 and think that the world revolves around you...Raoul_Duke_HST

The gaming world does...

[QUOTE="flclempire"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

My local news had some story on E3 and all they talked about was the Wii and it's cheap, gimmicky lineup. Also, Fox News keeps running a story about E3 and all they talk about is the new Wii Sports. They don't even mention the Microsoft and Sony conferences, both of which were much better. It's unbelievable that this stuff actually sells. The Wii is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. Ever.

Gamer556

You would rather Nintendo have released another 360/PS3? You want 3 identicle systems? Believe it or not some people are tired of playing the same game over and over, but with more gloss. The wii is the only system that actually involves innovation. The ps3 and 360 merely attempt to mimic the PC, and fail on every single front, except for simplicity.

While the wii has been the only innovative console, it has'nt NEARLY lived up to its potential, but it single handedly guarantees that the next gen will save console gaming. If Nintendo released a PS3/360 clone this gen the entire console gaming industry would have gone downhill continuously, and then in an attempt to revitalize the industry at least one of the companies would've made a wii-esque console the gen after this one.... And you would be here complaining, but just a few years later. The single worst thing to happen to gaming is a tie between GTA:SA and the Halo series.

That's a bunch of bull and you know it. A gimmicky controller, no matter how new it may be, does not excuse poor software. And since when has the gaming industry ever been in danger of declining? It's been steadily climbing since the NES days, without any motion sensing controllers. When gaming died out in the early 80's, it wasn't because of a lack of hardware innovation, it was because the games sucked. I guarantee you that an industry that relies on hardware gimmicks is much less stable than one that relies on a steady stream of quality software.

"A gimmicky controller, no matter how new it may be, does not excuse poor software."

Which is why I said "it has'nt NEARLY lived up to its potential".

"And since when has the gaming industry ever been in danger of declining?"

599 US dollars, 599 US dollars. The enormous price tag alone cuts the customer base in at least half, even with the price cuts. I didn't mean that the industry would collapse or anything, I meant that sales would be quite stale and nowhere near the sales amount of last gen. These crappy sales would've prompted at least 1 company to change their next gen console to be more than just a graphics showcase, don't you think?

[QUOTE="Gamer556"]

My local news had some story on E3 and all they talked about was the Wii and it's cheap, gimmicky lineup. Also, Fox News keeps running a story about E3 and all they talk about is the new Wii Sports. They don't even mention the Microsoft and Sony conferences, both of which were much better. It's unbelievable that this stuff actually sells. The Wii is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. Ever.

ps3wizard45

What I saw was not a business summit. It was a little bit of gloating and a whole lot of bad games. E3 has been downsized and is not the flashy circus show of the past, but it certainly hasn't been reduced to a suit and tie meeting solely for financial partners. Gamespot wasn't invited because of their financial ties. They were invited to cover games, because E3 is still a gaming convention, if a somewhat more civilized one.

Gamer556

But that is a business summit. The gloating is showing that they are a solid company that is going places, and can be trusted. The so called "bad games" are games that are going to sell huge, and make big money for any retailers that stock them.

E3 is not pure suit & tie, but the press conference pretty much is.

This was Nintendos' oppurtunity to show the BUSINESS world that their strategy for continually expanding the market didn't end with Wii Sports, Wiiplay and WiiFit. Don't take so much stock into one event. 79 Wii games in development, you know many are going to be core games and are going to be announced soon enough.VideoGameGuy

I've been waiting 2 years for those core games to come, and so far I've gotten a mere handful. It's become quite obvious that Nintendo no longer cares about the hardcore crowd.

[QUOTE="ps3wizard45"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

My local news had some story on E3 and all they talked about was the Wii and it's cheap, gimmicky lineup. Also, Fox News keeps running a story about E3 and all they talk about is the new Wii Sports. They don't even mention the Microsoft and Sony conferences, both of which were much better. It's unbelievable that this stuff actually sells. The Wii is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. Ever.

Paul_Phoenicks

The one thing, that excites me more than any other even this generation, is seeing online flash-game developers making Wii-Ware games. That throws the doors wide open for fresh talent and smaller indie developers, at a time when every other company seems to be merging.