Nintendo had one of the worst E3's ever, and they STILL get all the press.

[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]This was Nintendos' oppurtunity to show the BUSINESS world that their strategy for continually expanding the market didn't end with Wii Sports, Wiiplay and WiiFit. Don't take so much stock into one event. 79 Wii games in development, you know many are going to be core games and are going to be announced soon enough.Gamer556

I've been waiting 2 years for those core games to come, and so far I've gotten a mere handful. It's become quite obvious that Nintendo no longer cares about the hardcore crowd.

Well, how many non-multiplatform PS3 "core" games have come out in comparison? Lets put it in perspective. As a whole I personally think this gen blows, but it almost guarantees that the next gen will dominate. Except for the PS3 fans because the PS3 is supposed to last, what was it, 10 years?

[QUOTE="Gamer556"]

What I saw was not a business summit. It was a little bit of gloating and a whole lot of bad games. E3 has been downsized and is not the flashy circus show of the past, but it certainly hasn't been reduced to a suit and tie meeting solely for financial partners. Gamespot wasn't invited because of their financial ties. They were invited to cover games, because E3 is still a gaming convention, if a somewhat more civilized one.

Tylendal

But that is a business summit. The gloating is showing that they are a solid company that is going places, and can be trusted. The so called "bad games" are games that are going to sell huge, and make big money for any retailers that stock them.

E3 is not pure suit & tie, but the press conference pretty much is.

No, the gloating was just to fill up a part of the conference. Retailers know exactly how well Nintendo is doing, and they don't need this conference to show them where the money is. Do you really think the CEOs at Best Buy, Walmart, and Gamestop didn't already know those numbers? This is still a game show at heart, and is most observed and considered by the gamers at home.

[QUOTE="Gamer556"]

What I saw was not a business summit. It was a little bit of gloating and a whole lot of bad games. E3 has been downsized and is not the flashy circus show of the past, but it certainly hasn't been reduced to a suit and tie meeting solely for financial partners. Gamespot wasn't invited because of their financial ties. They were invited to cover games, because E3 is still a gaming convention, if a somewhat more civilized one.

Tylendal

But that is a business summit. The gloating is showing that they are a solid company that is going places, and can be trusted. The so called "bad games" are games that are going to sell huge, and make big money for any retailers that stock them.

E3 is not pure suit & tie, but the press conference pretty much is.

Like I said months ago, you consolers better hope that MS and Sony doesn't follow Nintendo's blueprint, otherwise you will all be hermits by the end of next gen.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

What I saw was not a business summit. It was a little bit of gloating and a whole lot of bad games. E3 has been downsized and is not the flashy circus show of the past, but it certainly hasn't been reduced to a suit and tie meeting solely for financial partners. Gamespot wasn't invited because of their financial ties. They were invited to cover games, because E3 is still a gaming convention, if a somewhat more civilized one.

Catpee

But that is a business summit. The gloating is showing that they are a solid company that is going places, and can be trusted. The so called "bad games" are games that are going to sell huge, and make big money for any retailers that stock them.

E3 is not pure suit & tie, but the press conference pretty much is.

Like I said months ago, you consolers better hope that MS and Sony doesn't follow Nintendo's blueprint, otherwise you will all be hermits by the end of next gen.

I completely agree. If Microsoft and Sony adopt motion sensing devices, aging hardware, and bare-bones features for the sake of profit, the console industry will not last. Eventually people are going to realize that these games just aren't that good, just as most people here already have. I don't see Nintendo's new direction as a lasting solution.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

What I saw was not a business summit. It was a little bit of gloating and a whole lot of bad games. E3 has been downsized and is not the flashy circus show of the past, but it certainly hasn't been reduced to a suit and tie meeting solely for financial partners. Gamespot wasn't invited because of their financial ties. They were invited to cover games, because E3 is still a gaming convention, if a somewhat more civilized one.

Catpee

But that is a business summit. The gloating is showing that they are a solid company that is going places, and can be trusted. The so called "bad games" are games that are going to sell huge, and make big money for any retailers that stock them.

E3 is not pure suit & tie, but the press conference pretty much is.

Like I said months ago, you consolers better hope that MS and Sony doesn't follow Nintendo's blueprint, otherwise you will all be hermits by the end of next gen.

Ironic when you consider that the 360 and PS3 are attempting to mimic the pc :\ What are the consoles' selling points? Graphics and online. Pc has them both licked. The only reason people usually prefer consoles is because they are convinced that pc gaming is too expensive or complex.

[QUOTE="Catpee"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

What I saw was not a business summit. It was a little bit of gloating and a whole lot of bad games. E3 has been downsized and is not the flashy circus show of the past, but it certainly hasn't been reduced to a suit and tie meeting solely for financial partners. Gamespot wasn't invited because of their financial ties. They were invited to cover games, because E3 is still a gaming convention, if a somewhat more civilized one.

Gamer556

But that is a business summit. The gloating is showing that they are a solid company that is going places, and can be trusted. The so called "bad games" are games that are going to sell huge, and make big money for any retailers that stock them.

E3 is not pure suit & tie, but the press conference pretty much is.

Like I said months ago, you consolers better hope that MS and Sony doesn't follow Nintendo's blueprint, otherwise you will all be hermits by the end of next gen.

I completely agree. If Microsoft and Sony adopt motion sensing devices, aging hardware, and bare-bones features for the sake of profit, the console industry will not last. Eventually people are going to realize that these games just aren't that good, just as most people here already have. I don't see Nintendo's new direction as a lasting solution.

Do you think it would've been a better option on Nintendo's part to make a 360 clone? Not better for you, but better for them as a company? And do you honestly believe their next console will have crappy GC graphics?

E3 is no longer what we gamers think about. There is no booth babes, wild parties, and pre-game hype. Now it's nothing but being square with a business suit and counting your stock.

FireEmblem_Man

So to sum it up in one word, E3 is now lame.

[QUOTE="Catpee"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

What I saw was not a business summit. It was a little bit of gloating and a whole lot of bad games. E3 has been downsized and is not the flashy circus show of the past, but it certainly hasn't been reduced to a suit and tie meeting solely for financial partners. Gamespot wasn't invited because of their financial ties. They were invited to cover games, because E3 is still a gaming convention, if a somewhat more civilized one.

Gamer556

But that is a business summit. The gloating is showing that they are a solid company that is going places, and can be trusted. The so called "bad games" are games that are going to sell huge, and make big money for any retailers that stock them.

E3 is not pure suit & tie, but the press conference pretty much is.

Like I said months ago, you consolers better hope that MS and Sony doesn't follow Nintendo's blueprint, otherwise you will all be hermits by the end of next gen.

I completely agree. If Microsoft and Sony adopt motion sensing devices, aging hardware, and bare-bones features for the sake of profit, the console industry will not last. Eventually people are going to realize that these games just aren't that good, just as most people here already have. I don't see Nintendo's new direction as a lasting solution.

No, it's not a lasting solution, but it will certainly last them for the generation. By then, they'll bring out something new. We already know that it's going to be HD. I don't know if you saw it, but I think they're trying to improve the Wii throughout the entire generation. With things like Motion+ and Wii Speak, they're really taking advantage of the modular nature.

[QUOTE="Zhengi"]That's cause Nintendo did win E3. The mainstream press is there covering the event and that's who Nintendo was catering their conference to. Do people still think that E3 is that gaming behemoth it used to be? No, this isn't your grandfather's E3. It's the new downsized version which every gaming press, retailer, dev, etc. wanted and this is what you get.Gamer556

If that were the case, and E3 were nothing more than an event for financial gloating, why did Nintendo show us any games at all? They could have shown us charts and graphs for the full hour instead of just the first 15 minutes. The reason is because E3 is still an event for showcasing games, and in that regard Nintendo did a terrible job.

Maybe because they are a game company and they wanted to show off games for the mainstream audience who don't follow gaming publications?

It saddens me that SW has become ovverrun with self-obsessed geeks with a holier-than-thou attitude. It is not a companies duty to give you things. You are not the centre of the universe. Hardcore gamers are but a small part of the market - what Nintendo are doing is attempting to cater to both markets. Maybe they could do better, but when Sony and Microsoft are both trying to cater to hardcore markets, how DO you get the hardcore onside? Especially when Nintendo has ALREADY released a large chunk of it's hardcore titles in the firs year and a half of the Wii's lifecycle.

I admit I am a "hardcore" hamer too. I get disappointed as well. But the reason for this is because we get carried away and expect too much from companies. Companies that are here to make money. That means ALL THREE. Sony are not run by God, nor are Microsoft, nor are Nintendo.

In addition, it makes me laugh, all the hypocracy. If Nintendo magically stops making hardcore games for the rest of the Wii's lifecycle like some of you have claimed in the past two days, doesnt that mean that third parties will be able to sell their games? As SW claims after all, Nintendo fans apparently only buy Nintendo games :roll: Obviously this argument was nonsensical in the first place, because third parties are to blame for their games not selling due to lack of advertising or making shovelware, not Nintendo.

I also love how us "hardcore" gamers, along with the self-centred attitude, are such a pessimistic bunch. Every time we hear a peice of news, no matter what it is, us "hardcore" gamers have to find fault with it. Examples include WiiSpeak (Nintendo fans have been screaming about headsets for a while now, you get what you want - STILL you complain?), Dead Rising Wii (It wont be as good apparently. Yet we complain about the Wii not getting enough mature games, third party games or multiplat games? Do you want it or not?), The Conduit (A developer is trying to get the best out of the Wii's power, which we hasve been screaming for since it was released - apparently though it wont be good even though its nowhere near complete?).

Finally in all of this furore over the conference: regardless as to the purpose of the conference, there are many third party games being shown off. Maybe Nintendo has yet to show us a glut of games, but there are still games such as ToS 2, MadWorld etc. And just because Nintendo has not announced much now does not mean there is nothing on the horizon. They are obviously working on a new Zelda, which has long since been confirmed, a new Star Fox, Pikmin and others too. Maybe we are pinning too much hope on one event every year. We should be focusing on the games in development, not what has been announced at a very specific point in time. What about the other games we have to look forward to that have not been shown as E3?

Then again maybe we "hardcore" gamers deserve to be disappointed - we overhyped E3 so much its a joke.

[QUOTE="Gamer556"][QUOTE="Catpee"][QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Gamer556"]

What I saw was not a business summit. It was a little bit of gloating and a whole lot of bad games. E3 has been downsized and is not the flashy circus show of the past, but it certainly hasn't been reduced to a suit and tie meeting solely for financial partners. Gamespot wasn't invited because of their financial ties. They were invited to cover games, because E3 is still a gaming convention, if a somewhat more civilized one.

flclempire

But that is a business summit. The gloating is showing that they are a solid company that is going places, and can be trusted. The so called "bad games" are games that are going to sell huge, and make big money for any retailers that stock them.

E3 is not pure suit & tie, but the press conference pretty much is.

Like I said months ago, you consolers better hope that MS and Sony doesn't follow Nintendo's blueprint, otherwise you will all be hermits by the end of next gen.

I completely agree. If Microsoft and Sony adopt motion sensing devices, aging hardware, and bare-bones features for the sake of profit, the console industry will not last. Eventually people are going to realize that these games just aren't that good, just as most people here already have. I don't see Nintendo's new direction as a lasting solution.

Do you think it would've been a better option on Nintendo's part to make a 360 clone? Not better for you, but better for them as a company? And do you honestly believe their next console will have crappy GC graphics?

It probably wouldn't have been better for Nintendo, but I don't work for Nintendo, and neither do you, so that's a moot point. A Wii with good graphics, robust features, and plenty of good games sounds a lot better to me than a gimmicky paper weight. I don't buy bad products for the sole purpose of supporting my favorite companies, which I have no affiliation with. It's them that are supposed to be kissing my ass, not the other way around.

It saddens me that SW has become ovverrun with self-obsessed geeks with a holier-than-thou attitude. It is not a companies duty to give you things. You are not the centre of the universe. Hardcore gamers are but a small part of the market - what Nintendo are doing is attempting to cater to both markets. Maybe they could do better, but when Sony and Microsoft are both trying to cater to hardcore markets, how DO you get the hardcore onside? Especially when Nintendo has ALREADY released a large chunk of it's hardcore titles in the firs year and a half of the Wii's lifecycle.

I admit I am a "hardcore" hamer too. I get disappointed as well. But the reason for this is because we get carried away and expect too much from companies. Companies that are here to make money. That means ALL THREE. Sony are not run by God, nor are Microsoft, nor are Nintendo.

In addition, it makes me laugh, all the hypocracy. If Nintendo magically stops making hardcore games for the rest of the Wii's lifecycle like some of you have claimed in the past two days, doesnt that mean that third parties will be able to sell their games? As SW claims after all, Nintendo fans apparently only buy Nintendo games :roll: Obviously this argument was nonsensical in the first place, because third parties are to blame for their games not selling due to lack of advertising or making shovelware, not Nintendo.

I also love how us "hardcore" gamers, along with the self-centred attitude, are such a pessimistic bunch. Every time we hear a peice of news, no matter what it is, us "hardcore" gamers have to find fault with it. Examples include WiiSpeak (Nintendo fans have been screaming about headsets for a while now, you get what you want - STILL you complain?), Dead Rising Wii (It wont be as good apparently. Yet we complain about the Wii not getting enough mature games, third party games or multiplat games? Do you want it or not?), The Conduit (A developer is trying to get the best out of the Wii's power, which we hasve been screaming for since it was released - apparently though it wont be good even though its nowhere near complete?).

Finally in all of this furore over the conference: regardless as to the purpose of the conference, there are many third party games being shown off. Maybe Nintendo has yet to show us a glut of games, but there are still games such as ToS 2, MadWorld etc. And just because Nintendo has not announced much now does not mean there is nothing on the horizon. They are obviously working on a new Zelda, which has long since been confirmed, a new Star Fox, Pikmin and others too. Maybe we are pinning too much hope on one event every year. We should be focusing on the games in development, not what has been announced at a very specific point in time. What about the other games we have to look forward to that have not been shown as E3?

Then again maybe we "hardcore" gamers deserve to be disappointed - we overhyped E3 so much its a joke.

Quofan

It's a press conference. Nintendo may have had the worst conference from our perspective, but from the criteria of an actual press conference, they did it perfectly.

I'm pretty sure investers and retailers would disagree with most of us about who had the best conference.

Tylendal

Exactly. The games they showed are the ones that have been selling. You know retailers and investors see how well WiiFit is selling and they would also be aware of the public reaction to WiiSports. Long story short, all of this translates into money for them.

It's a press conference. Nintendo may have had the worst conference from our perspective, but from the criteria of an actual press conference, they did it perfectly.

I'm pretty sure investers and retailers would disagree with most of us about who had the best conference.

Tylendal

Exactly. The games they showed are the ones that have been selling. You know retailers and investors see how well WiiFit is selling and they would also be aware of the public reaction to WiiSports. Long story short, all of this translates into money for them.

It's a press conference. Nintendo may have had the worst conference from our perspective, but from the criteria of an actual press conference, they did it perfectly.

I'm pretty sure investers and retailers would disagree with most of us about who had the best conference.

Tylendal

Exactly. The games they showed are the ones that have been selling. You know retailers and investors see how well WiiFit is selling and they would also be aware of the public reaction to WiiSports. Long story short, all of this translates into money for them.

I guess Nintendo's E3 was a smashing success, with wonderful glowing headlines like "Nintendo and Sony Underwhelm at E3" from papers like the New York Times. :roll:

If this was meant to be an investor-centric event, why bother showing extended gameplay demos of new titles? If this was meant to be an investor-centric event, why would Reggie tell core gamers to 'wait until E3' when people were worried about Nintendo's lineup for the second half of this year?

I don't know what standard Nintendo won this conference by, considering that whatever they showed would be reported solely on the virtue of it being for the Wii and DS, two of the most popular platforms around, as Nintendo gladly reiterated at the conference.

If this was meant to be an investor-centric event, why bother showing extended gameplay demos of new titles? If this was meant to be an investor-centric event, why would Reggie tell core gamers to 'wait until E3' when people were worried about Nintendo's lineup for the second half of this year?

sonicmj1

Because doing so does not and should not direct attention to the press conference, but rather, E3 in general, where they actually DID display games.

Hmmmm.... how ironic. Nintendo literally created a rip in the universe, with the dimension where hardcore fans are crying and the dimension where it gets into the mainstream news. Oh well.Willy105

This makes sense to me... Normal News reaches more casual gamers. Nintendo announced a ton of casual games. So normal news covers Nintendo conference.

Sorry, hardcore games are only better than casual games if you're a hardcore gamer.

Wii Sports > Your Marios, and Zeldas, Halos, and Metriods to casual gamers.

My local news had some story on E3 and all they talked about was the Wii and it's cheap, gimmicky lineup. Also, Fox News keeps running a story about E3 and all they talk about is the new Wii Sports. They don't even mention the Microsoft and Sony conferences, both of which were much better. It's unbelievable that this stuff actually sells. The Wii is the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. Ever.

Gamer556

Gentelmen, the wider world sees things very differently than is true beleivers. this may well be the true begging of the end... well for nintendo as we have known i, or we thought we knew it.

[QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

If this was meant to be an investor-centric event, why bother showing extended gameplay demos of new titles? If this was meant to be an investor-centric event, why would Reggie tell core gamers to 'wait until E3' when people were worried about Nintendo's lineup for the second half of this year?

tbone29

Because doing so does not and should not direct attention to the press conference, but rather, E3 in general, where they actually DID display games.

What new games did Nintendo show on the conference floor?

The way I see it, E3 is one of the only times (outside of console launches) that the general, non-gaming public is likely to notice the gaming world... and as Nintendo is targeting these people, the press confrence seems like it would be one of the best times to talk about the things they think will attract them... I think Nintendo understands that the core games would make a similar impact among the people who would be interested in them anyway regardless of whether they announce them at E3 or not...

...Don't get me wrong, I still am a little unimpressed with their announced 2008 lineup, but I think Nintendo has a few tricks up their sleeve for this winter... Don't think we'll hear too much more about it (from them, anyway) at E3, though...

What new games did Nintendo show on the conference floor?

sonicmj1

I made a mistake, I just meant Wii games, not specifically made by Nintendo.