Nintendo has done the impossible

[QUOTE="Hexagon_777"][QUOTE="WAIW"]

The only people that make it seem like cows and lems play nothing but FPS/TPS are sheep. RPG's, Platformers, Fighters, Racers, Rythm -- the list of high quality games of all genres goes on and on ;)

WAIW

Haven't cows been calling the Xbox 360 a shooter console for the longest time? They only stopped just recently when Killzone and Resistance became big Sony franchises.

Regardless of the opinions of fanboys and trolls, the 360/PS3 are not strictly "shooter" consoles. That was my point.

Then don't make it seem like only sheep depict other fanboys as shooter fanatics. :?

[QUOTE="WAIW"]Regardless of the opinions of fanboys and trolls, the 360/PS3 are not strictly "shooter" consoles. That was my point.Haziqonfire

I agree with you, FPSes/TPSes get way too much attention. That doesn't stop quality games of other genres being released.

[QUOTE="StryderK"]

[QUOTE="Ragnarok1051"]Nintendo fanboys make threads like these just as much as Wii haters make threads about Nintendo ruining the industry. SpruceCaboose

At least with thread like this, sheep has a LEGITAMITE reason why the Wii is good for the industry, i.e. open the video game frontier to a whole new segement of the market, if said customer, even a small percentage becomes hardcore gamers, then that's win win for everyone cause it expand the market, keep it vitalized and continusly "refuel" the customer base with younger players. That is indeed GOOD for the industy!

Wii Haters argument:

Wii Teh No Have TEh Gamea-ga!!!(old consider which games are good, which are bad are solely based on opinon and tastes, not quantifable)

Wii Teh SUXXX causaga it will teH ruinda the Gama ga!!!! (ok, give us a reason why it would ruin it, something qantifiable, right now it just sounds like this argument is more, "Nintendo isn't focusing on ME, so I'll cry like a little baby until they do)

And everytime we prove them wrong and how stupid their arguments are, they move the goal post. i.e., Wii no sell the games. Wii game sells, Wii no sell third-party games, third-party games are actually selling. Wii sells no GOOD third-party games. Well, just how many good third-party games are out there? NO, NO, NO you don't understand, Wii teh SUXXX cause we said so (when they run out of arguments).

That's basically what I gathered from Wii haters in Systems War......

ACtually, part of the problem can be attributed to the recession. However, with the Wii is selling right now, it's full 10 months ahead of the PS2! By end of MArch this year (End of the year b Nintendo standaard), the Wii can very easily be near 50 million sold worldwide, full 8 months ahead of the PS2! So the market IS EXPANDING....Well, the casual market is, which is not surprising since the casual market has been expanding since PS1 days!!!!

What IS contracting is the hardcore market. That's because most of us hardc ore gamers grew up in the NES days and we are not getting younger! And as more of us gets married, have kids and other obligations, our video gaming habit is gonna decrease day by day. A Lot of hardcore gamers I know has either lapsed completely or slid more towards "median" gamers and casual gamers. Unless new hardcore gamers picks up the slack, this market will continue to shrink though.

NINTENDO'S

Casual Games:

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OMG look at all those non-games!!!!! Nintendo doesnt make Nintendo games anymore!!!!! They abandoned me and only make shovelware and casual games now :cry: :cry: :cry:

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ACtually, part of the problem can be attributed to the recession. However, with the Wii is selling right now, it's full 10 months ahead of the PS2! By end of MArch this year (End of the year b Nintendo standaard), the Wii can very easily be near 50 million sold worldwide, full 8 months ahead of the PS2! So the market IS EXPANDING....Well, the casual market is, which is not surprising since the casual market has been expanding since PS1 days!!!!

What IS contracting is the hardcore market. That's because most of us hardc ore gamers grew up in the NES days and we are not getting younger! And as more of us gets married, have kids and other obligations, our video gaming habit is gonna decrease day by day. A Lot of hardcore gamers I know has either lapsed completely or slid more towards "median" gamers and casual gamers. Unless new hardcore gamers picks up the slack, this market will continue to shrink though.

StryderK

>Core/Traditional Nintendo games:Grinning_Demon

XBL and PSN exist for a reason :? For example, I just mentioned Braid -- what was that, a game made by 2 people? And it was a success.

WAIW

You know, I really hate it when Lemming and Cows drag out XBLA and PSN when confronted with the development cost questions cause they are trying to shove a round peg into a square hole cause they have nothing to answer back to!

PSN, XBLA, WiiWare are a platform for INDIE developers who are first starting out on console development who are just getting their feet wet. Most of these type of games cost at most, $500 to develop for and rarely, 1 mil. The profit margine on these games are extremely small since the selling price is at most, $20 bucks, which means you are lucky to get $5 per download. So, say you get 300K download for your games, the most you earn is around $1.5 million.....obviously, if you want something bigger, say you want to develop a full scale FPS or sand box game, then the only way you go is a full console DVD game.

Thats when the stuff hits the fan! Cost of an average HD console game is $20 million, cost of an average Wii game, $5 million! See the point there? If you are a start up or a small company, which system will you go first?

I respected Nintendo for expanding the audience, but that respect was lost when Nintendo released all those shovelware games.lebanese_boy

Nintendo isn't releasing the shovelware. However, it is true that most of the third party devs are piling the shovelware on the wii in boatloads.

[QUOTE="StryderK"]

ACtually, part of the problem can be attributed to the recession. However, with the Wii is selling right now, it's full 10 months ahead of the PS2! By end of MArch this year (End of the year b Nintendo standaard), the Wii can very easily be near 50 million sold worldwide, full 8 months ahead of the PS2! So the market IS EXPANDING....Well, the casual market is, which is not surprising since the casual market has been expanding since PS1 days!!!!

What IS contracting is the hardcore market. That's because most of us hardc ore gamers grew up in the NES days and we are not getting younger! And as more of us gets married, have kids and other obligations, our video gaming habit is gonna decrease day by day. A Lot of hardcore gamers I know has either lapsed completely or slid more towards "median" gamers and casual gamers. Unless new hardcore gamers picks up the slack, this market will continue to shrink though.

SpruceCaboose

You can't really compared though.....

X360 has already surpassed the Xbox....PS3......lets not go there......So what's left is the Wii...

But as someone else already said, Some of the Initial PS2 sales were for as a DVD player, just as some of the PS3 sold are being used as a Blu-Ray player only, which means they are not used for gaming. Then comes the PS2's DRE problems. I personally have a PS2 phat and PS2 slim, both are NOT their originals. They are replacements. SOme people I know went through 4 PS2! So IMO, you need to cut 30 million PS2 off of the 150 million units sold cause they are either DVD players or replacements.

OF course, we won't know the truth of how many PS3 are replacement, unless Sony come out with it (they won't for obvious reasons), But lets say before the Wii finally dies, it sold 130 million. Does that make it a failure? Well, consider how tough the Wii are and how realiable vs an unrealible machine...Is it really fair though? And lets say the Wii reached 130 million a full 10 months faster than the PS2......What does that do to the conculsion? hmmmmm.......tough question!

[QUOTE="Grinning_Demon"][QUOTE="Silent-Hal"] Too bad those are the only worthwhile traditional games in the Wii's entire library. The Wii does have a reasonable amount of core games sure, but I'd sure me miffed if I bought a console and those were the only games that appealed to me. Silent-Hal

This isnt a contest ;).

That post was made to shut up once and for all those who say Nintendo abandoned them by only making casual games ans shovelware(lol).

Pulling out lists to prove one library's superiority over another will always end up being opinion fights. Its pointless

[QUOTE="Silent-Hal"][QUOTE="Grinning_Demon"] 1- So Nintendo didnt abandon their audience, did they? Great, we finally arrived to the obvious truth 2-Are you gonna make me put all the worthwhile traditional third party games her too? Please dontGrinning_Demon

This isnt a contest ;).

That post was made to shut up once and for all those who say Nintendo abandoned them by only making casual games ans shovelware(lol).

Pulling out lists to prove one library's superiority over another will always end up being opinion fights. Its pointless

That and the 360/ps3 woud always win hands down. Mostly cause their not pumping resources into making games for fat people, music-tards that can't bang two sticks together and guys that can't bowl a bowling ball.CreepyBacon

They make it nearly impossible for any third-party to do well against them thus turning them off from making games for the console and thus ruining any chance for having a diverse library. Only developers like Suda 51 who know their games aren't going to do well commercially (relatively speaking) are making games for itfoxhound_fox

:lol: so...many...lies. MUST...RESIST... Temptation....arghh!!!

If your a gamer at heart, you'll have big respect for the big N. These so called "gamers" claim Nintendo is ruining gaming. Just because Nintendo doesn't make shooters 90% of the time, or you can't post your score on a pointless online scoreboard, or the fact that Nintendo appeals to non-gamers, does not mean Nintendo is ruining gaming.

The fact that Nintendo is appealing to non-gamers who want a gaming system, like the Wii, is a first for the gaming industry. Not only that, but something truly amazed me. My Mother was not into games at all, most Mothers aren't, but something astonishing happened that I thought would never happen for a million years. My mom wanted a Wii Fit so bad, she called EB games everyday to see if they had one. I would never have thought that someone like my mom would ever call a game store for something that she wanted.

Also at work, I have a boss who is female and today at lunch, right in front of me, she was calling EB games to see if they had a Wii Fit. Apparently she wanted to get one for a while, but could never find it. EB games was busy, so she called about 9 times until she got through, only to get the message that they did get a bunch of Wii Fit's the day before, but sold out in 2 hours. She was not happy.

My point is, Nintendo has gotten people who never even touched a videogame before, really interested in videogames. This is a huge plus for gaming. Not only are more people interested, but they really, really want the game they are looking for.

If you've been gaming for most of your life, since the Atari age, you know that what Nintendo has accomplished is something that Sony or MS could only dream of.

Oh, and for you so called "hardcore" gamers, a real hardcore game is when you physically feel pain after playing it, and I'm not talking about your best buddy punching you in the face for team killing him.

dream431ca

Nintendo has done the impossible? So expanding the market is now impossible even though Sony has been doing this for the last decade.

Yeah Nintendo expanded the market big deal. Does nothing for me. The only thing Nintendo did is expand the casual market not the core market. So in other words for real gamers it means nothing. Unless the core market is expanded, it means nothing to gamers. Thats why people are saying Nintendo is killing gaming. They are making the casual market way too large, when it was already large enough to begin with. The core market is the market that needs to be expanded thats why.

Yeah the whole "expanding the market" helped Nintendo get rich. Did it really benefit consumers though? No. Look at 2008. 360 and PS3's lineup made the Wii's look like a joke. Thats basically like saying Xbox and Gamecube's lineup made the PS2's look like a joke, if this was last gen. Which was completely unheard. Part of this problem is Nintendo's fault on how they market the console. Third-parties are doing completely nothing except for a very small handful of games. I think I actually own only one third-party game for Wii thats actually is good and isn't a port (No More Heroes).

The difference between PS2 and the Wii is pretty simple. Sony has more developers under first-party and had more quality third-party developers making games for it. So to be blunt. PS2 had more consistant core games then Wii both first and third-party.

In the end. Thats why people are saying Nintendo is killing/ruining gaming. Its inflating the casual market way too much and making the core market even more of a minority then it already was. Yeah this is effecting 360 and PS3.....yet but if Microsoft and Sony go to "casual" route next-gen then it will and it will effect core gaming. This is why people say Nintendo is ruining gaming.

Good on Nintendo for finding a new market But here's my main problem with them: Think about how much content a Metal Gear Solid game could have on the PS2 Then think about the amount of content a Metal Gear Solid game could have on a PS3 Big difference Then think about the amount of content a Zelda game could have on a Gamecube And the amount of content it could have on a Wii Small differencecoakroach

Nintendo, in terms of making a new console which you'd excpect the specifications to be ground breaking for your hdtv fell like a pile of cards.
In short, they became real lazy this generation and raking up the money like no mans business just because they hit the casual market.g0ddyX

How dare they be successfull without our permission. Lazy, lazy Nintendo, coming up with a risky new comcept and disrupting the market while being the biggest responsable for the industries grouth, tsk tsk...lazy indeed

For instance you might like collecting stars instead of saving the world with a specialist tactical team from a madman hell bent on causing a nuclear holocaust as written by a hollywood writer with famous casts and musical artists.
To me, it can kind of say something about you.g0ddyX

Nice way of undermining one game by describing it as "saving stars" while throwing around the words "hollywood writer", "famous casts" and "music artists" to describe the other as if any of that means **** :lol:

I dont know anyone that plays wii only and doing a degree at university. Only at one instance, the whole flat of students were playing together on it, which is wii play and wii sports. Wii audience, generally is kids and now mothers.g0ddyX

I am 21 (soon to be 22) years old, i already have a college degree in Design and i'm currently waiting to start taking a masters degree in the same area. I like the Wii, i play the Wii, i have a bunch of college friends just like me who also own a Wii, play it regularly and are highly interested in it. You're "mother and kids" remark is pure BS.

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"][QUOTE="Faber_Fighter"]In one way, there will be a much larger audience and the gaming industry will grow and it will be likely that more games will be produced. In another, more casual appealing games will be made and less "hardcore" games will be made. Oh and TC, "Oh, and for you so called "hardcore" gamers, a real hardcore game is when you physically feel pain after playing it, and I'm not talking about your best buddy punching you in the face for team killing him." You're obviously getting the term wrong. A gamer is generally referred to someone who plays video games, not necessarily sport. And I'm not talking about Wii Sports either. You don't call an athlete a gamer because he plays games of tennis, you call him an athlete. I find that a real hardcore gamer is someone who enjoys gaming more so than a casual. A casual being someone who plays just a few hours a week and having no general knowledge about games or systems.Faber_Fighter

Nintendo, in terms of making a new console which you'd excpect the specifications to be ground breaking for your hdtv fell like a pile of cards.
In short, they became real lazy this generation and raking up the money like no mans business just because they hit the casual market.

Some people feel the difference to shaking the wrists from pressing buttons, some dont.

For all i care, i think nintendo should now, continually provide games for mothers and children from now on with the same engine.

There are other consoles, including the pc that will bridge the gap to realism, presentation and an up to date entertainment system.
I dont see anything revolutionary about the wii. Nothing on par with mgs4, or crysis or gt5 or cod4.

I give credit and respect to the developers being creative and listening to their audience.
Nintendo is all about business and great marketting and theyre doing it well.
Theyre the ones making money, so why should you feel so happy since your not getting any?

In the end, its down to what you like and what your interests are.

For instance you might like collecting stars instead of saving the world with a specialist tactical team from a madman hell bent on causing a nuclear holocaust as written by a hollywood writer with famous casts and musical artists.
To me, it can kind of say something about you.

I dont know anyone that plays wii only and doing a degree at university. Only at one instance, the whole flat of students were playing together on it, which is wii play and wii sports. Wii audience, generally is kids and now mothers.

And on a final note, you cant play sales. g0ddyX

Your post is a river overflowing with FAIL. I'm a double major, and am about to go to law school. All of my friends who own wii have B.A., M.A. degrees or are in the process of getting them. I only own a wii, and a lot of my college friends are wii gamers who have been playing games since childhood.

By the way, Mario Galaxy has the best reviews out of any current gen game, tied with GTA 4, if I'm not mistaken. So what I like collecting stars in an extremely fun, innovative, well polished game? Have you even played a wii?