Nintendo haters confirming what we always suspected

Great. LA Noire and skyrim on the go.

The absolute worst games to put on the go. I can't think of worse than Noire. And yes, you can play them in the comfort of your home. I bought skyrim twice. It's been as low as, what? £10 on sales? I'm sure I saw LA Noire for £3.74.

So whats the point of these? Portability? Do me a favour.

I bought myself a handheld emulation thingie a while back. Powerful enough to play one of my GOATs Shenmue. I tried playing it on the bus. I couldn't. I'd always end up playing something much more simple like Castlevania. When it comes to that long, drawn out gameplay, it's just not suitable. LA Noire you start off with an investigation and an hour can go by. Come on. If I hadn't played these, and I only had a switch, yes, buy them. But who can say that?

Why project your playing style on others?

@charizard1605: Because.

Nintendo's done great with the Switch--of that there is no doubt. The lack of third party support was really the issue for the WiiU. It didn't sell well and didn't help it's sales when publishers dropped support. Hater's will keep on hatin'. However, as with the Wii U with me waiting until Xenoblade came out before buying, I will wait until the full fledge Pokemon game comes out on the Switch before I purchase it--if it ever does.

It's already announced :)

As a longtime fan of Nintendo's, I'm still not riding the Switch bandwagon. Especially after that Nintendo Direct a few days ago which just bored me to tears.

Super Mario Odyssey looks really fantastic, but it alone selling me a console? Sorry, no, it can't do that. There's nothing else exciting for me that's either already out or on the near horizon. And the recent Direct just really solidified that. Nintendo isn't at their best right now.

Maybe someday it will have a fully fleshed out lineup of Nintendo games of its own that aren't just Wii U titles. (As a Wii U owner, I'm just sitting here laughing at Nintendo's attempts to make me want the console)

I bet the Switch's first year will be forever remembered as the best first year lineup of any console. What they're doing here is astonishing.

Being an innovation company, Nintendo is going to have bigger hits and more humiliating misses than the competition who simply plays it safe -- which is pretty much every other console manufacturer.


Nintendo Switch: amazing.
Nintendo Online Service: trash.

Okay, I'm going to regret this, but fine.

Yes, I own and Wii and Wii U. But why the hell wouldn't I when they had quite a few games I like, and a few other features? If you want to go older, I still have an N64 and GameCube, both working even though I've been mainly using my Wii as a GameCube. The only one I don't have anymore is a SNES, and that was my first console ever.

Handhelds, I still own a GBC, GBA, DS Lite (mainly using as a GBA), and 2DS.

They are still ports of older titles just with a few extras thrown in to entice double dipping. Not saying there is anything wrong with that.

@nintendoboy16: Nice, do you have a personal favorite of all the Nintendo consoles you own/owned, including handhelds.

I can relate to this, but on the other hand I've resigned myself to a simple fact: that Nintendo that we grew up with and knew back in the day is dead. I'm speaking of them in terms of a company here, not a developer, which is an important distinction. They still have all the talent they used to, it's just a change of mentality shifted when their upper management changed with Yamauchi's retirement.

Yamauchi's Nintendo was a monster. It felt ambitious not just in scope of games but in the manner it conducted business. It fought for what it wanted and was not afraid to stand its ground and then some. Iwata's Nintendo, while still incredibly creative, lacked any feeling of having a dog in the fight. It was meek and mild comparatively. It was under this management where the "Nintendo's not good at competing" narrative (from its CEO, no less) arose, among other defeatisms. It seemed to hold no will or interest other than to back into its own dark corner of the industry and throw out brilliance from seclusion every so often.

I'd love to see the return of Yamauchi's Nintendo more than anyone; that man laid the beat down on whatever he set his eyes on. But let's be honest, that time is gone and a new philosophy has been instilled within their corporate culture. It's not one I care for personally--I'd much prefer them to be far more aggressive as they once were--but they are what they are. They still make great games and appear to be back on the right track in numerous areas, and that's what's most important.

I sort of feel yes and no. Yamauchi was great. Great as evident by things like NES, SNES and more but we forget he had to be convinced to do Gameboy, that games like DOOM and Binding of Isaac would not be on Switch if it were the Yamauchi era; certainly not in their current form because as great as he was in getting 3rd party titles on Nintendo platforms in that era, the game industry has changed.

We're living in a new world where creative freedom in the independent space isn't suffocated by the restrictiveness of a Yamauchi Nintendo and 3rd party developers are free to create the content they like for the platforms that suit them. I'd argue Yamauchi's philosophy on 3rd party content would prove even worse for modern Nintendo when we consider how his view of Nintendo as a company would disallow any violence, religious themed or suggestive content on Nintendo platforms. Yamauchi was great for Nintendo gaming at a time where gaming needed something like Nintendo. The Atari crash demanded structure of gaming and that was something Yamauchi gave in licence only games that Nintendo themselves would approve of, but 3rd party developers no longer need that. 3rd party developers would respond to such restrictions by saying no and simply publish their games on the many open platforms that are available now.

The gaming world is totally different, and if anything, clinging on to Yamauchi's antiquated philosophies are the very thing that hold Nintendo back. Do you think contemporary 3rd party developers would have any interest in producing their games on Nintendo platforms with the restrictive creative control that Yamauchi employed? I doubt it...

Bloodless DOOM, outright refusal of independently published games and no mature content would be paramount. I doubt cross play would be a thing if Yamauchi had anything to say by it. It's early days but I think Kimishima is going to be a good thing for Nintendo. It's already refreshing to see him employ and put faith into new talent at Nintendo, and give developers the freedom they need to create the projects they want. Let's remember that it's a brand new team doing the new Metroid Prime game. It's fresh blood and something that Yamauchi's Nintendo for the veterans probably wouldn't have greeted with open arms.

Bayonetta would never have been on a Ninendo platform if Yamauchi was still the president. Never. Nintendo's reputation of being a family friendly, old-man company with dated views stems from Yamauchi's legacy. Hence when Platinum were speaking with modern Nintendo about what they could and couldn't do with Bayonetta 2, they were surprised at how much freedom they were given in terms of content. Hell the suggestive Nintendo themed costumes were Nintendo's idea. Yamauchi would have said no to the entire game.

I'll take the portable games with less lines of shit I can't see anyway, please. Switch is a bitchin console and I hope it keeps getting support.

@MirkoS77: Yamauchi was relentless and stubborn as hell, but man so many great things were created under his reign. NES and SNES wouldn't have been as great as they were if Nintendo didn't have a stranglehold on third party developers.

Iwata was too passive for my tastes. He was too focused on casuals and those who weren't gamers. Though I will give him credit for the Switch. While it doesn't personally interest me right now, its still the best console that came under his reign at least in terms of overall design and execution. We will have to wait to see how its game library stacks up against previous Nintendo consoles to see where it fits in the mix.

@emgesp: Yamauchi went after casuals too. he also almost destroyed the company thanks to his greed. He sucked, thats why they kicked his arse out and saved the company. Thanks to Iwata of course. Iwata's dream still lives on with Switch.

Yeah, Yamauchi had to be convinced on a bunch. The dude only cared for money. Thats why it was important Nintendo got rid of him. He was killing the company. Meanwhile Iwata was busy saving companies and would later save Nintendo. Iwata is our light and saviour.

@emgesp: like I said later in the post, no blood or religious references.

The new DOOM would either need those changes too or Bethesda would just not bother publishing it. I cant imagine Bethesda being all that appeasing. Binding of Isaac absolutely wouldn't happen since the entire game is peppered with religious references and explicit imagery.

In a modern context, publishers would be more inclined to just ignore Nintendo than change their games for them. Especially given how many other options publishers have to make their games on platforms that appease their creative vision. Hence why I doubt DOOM would be on Switch if Yamauchi was still in charge. Times changed.

That's not to say Nintendo were totally troubled by violence in their cencorship. They allowed many other examples of gore and explicit material across their games but religious themed content was always a big no.

However, Nintendo's policies and beliefs have left them in tight spots regarding support http://www.tanookisite.com/nintendo-censorship/

@jumpaction: But Doom 64 did have blood.

Consoles:

1. GameCube - I and my sibs never had such a huge library for any console ever. Even own two sets of games, one for NTSC US, another PAL UK (I was in England between 2010-2014)

2. N64 - This used to be my main fave, but again, more games and more time with GameCube changed that.

3. SNES - I know, I know, but it was my first console, but I didn't buy or play much with it at the time besides Mario, DKC, and Spider-Man and Venom: Maximum Carnage. Though with VC, I did play more games like Super Star Wars, Earthbound (yet to beat), and Alpha 2 (again, I know, but I have fun with this version, and besides, I got the PS2 Alpha collection as well).

4. Wii

5. Wii U

Okay, yeah, the Wii family were weak consoles even if I do like them, but for me, they were still worth buying because they still had quite a bit of games I want. Besides the typical Nintendo IP's, the Wii U had Batman, Tekken, Shantae (got lucky and got the limited edition at Gamestop, which I did not expect), Darksiders (even if the port of the first game, one of the last games for the system, isn't great), LEGO (Star Wars, Marvel, City), Rayman Legends, Bayonetta (supported it's exclusivity initially because we all know Nintendo needs more games like this, but man did that series fans made me want to smash my head to a brick wall). To me, they're like the "First Strike" of consoles. "First Strike" being the weakest of Jackie Chan's classic Police Story movies, but still a fun time all the same.

Handhelds:

1. DS

2. 2DS (3DS)

3. GBA/GBC tie

Won't go into too much on these right now. I have to still get ready for work this morning.

@jumpaction: Yamauchi would have charged you money to unlock blood. Thats how greedy that dude was.

Well, considering the religious references in Darksiders, Bayonetta, and, of course, The Simpsons still present in their Nintendo versions, I'm not sure that's too much of a problem now.

@emgesp: So did MK2 on SNES. Examples of blood and graphical violence weren't totally uncommon and their censorship certainty gentled over the course of the N64.

One thing that would definitely provide an issue in a modern context is religious references and historical references. Nazis were a big no no. Wolfenstein II is coming to the Switch, and you will be fighting Nazis. Not

Source

Now think of what modern Nintendo looks like. Hell, Nazis, extreme gore and violence and then Manhunt 2. I mean it was Adult Only. A game banned in countries such as Australia... That's a huge stretch from some pixelated red blood in DOOM 64.

Of course, we can't necessarily blame Yamauchi as the man behind this. His presidency isn't exactly responsible completely. Nintendo have however been labeled a company too stuck in tradition (even by their own employees). That is something that Yamauchi's Nintendo employed to a dime. The modern Nintendo, and I mean as modern as two years ago, feels like it is trying to be a more youthful, approachable and adaptive company. Iwata definitely lay the brick work for this and Kimishima seems to be continuing this.

@nintendoboy16: That's what I am saying. Nintendo have pretty much abandoned this precaution to such an extent that a game who's plot revolves around a mother trying to kill her son to appease God is on a Nintendo platform.

@nintendoboy16: I'm actually surprised you put Wii over Wii U. Was it the Mario Galaxy games that gave the edge to the OG Wii for you

Yamauchi on Iwata's creation - Kirby

"He designed Kirby [a Nintendo character], and even if it now looks a bit dated and, let's be honest, homosexual, it still is a popular character with children and adults alike."

He was a jerk.

@jumpaction: Yeah, lets hope Kimishima continues to drive Iwata's dream forward.

Yeah, he was a greedy arsehole.

@iandizion713: Jokes aside, contemporary Nintendo have so much talent working for them. They always have, of course but we're getting to a point now where clever creative visionaries like Yoshiaki Koizumi are given way more control and authority on projects.

We've reached a point where Nintendo can give a project like Metroid Prime to a new team while giving excellent studios like Retro the chance to work on something different. While modern Nintendo had an era of perplexity, I think (hope) they are going to find their groove with Switch.

@jumpaction: Good thing Yamauchi wasn't alive to see this.

@jumpaction: They will no doubt. The Switch enables Nintendos creators to focus on innovative and fresh content with no forced rush to complete. And even if a rush comes, Nintendo is designed to combine teams to complete stuff. So you dont just work on Xenoblade, you work on Nintendo and whatever she needs.

@jumpaction: Did some research, that quote was a fake.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=838893

@emgesp: Haha! He probably would have outright said "That is too homosexual."

@emgesp: Aha! That explains a whole lot! No way could he be that excessive. Thank God. Was starting to feel a little disenfranchised. Thanks for the source.

In retrospect, it wouldn't make sense either. If the man was really that explicit, why would his presidency be so meticulous about cencorship?

lol Da Mouch! He said, **** yo couch.

It's all about Koizumi

https://youtu.be/sBnxbHndCw

No. I think it's a good handheld. Finally, handheld games can have tight controls!

My issue is that Nintendo fanboys claim Nintendo is back... Nintendo isn't even close to their glorious days as @emgesp said. They rely too heavily on gimmicks instead of making meaningful consoles.

@koko-goal: What era were their glorious days? NES and SNES?

I'm pleased with the increased 3rd party support, I am just not convinced quite yet. If it continues and the ports are of reasonable quality then I'll be happy.

@iandizion713 said:

lol Da Mouch! He said, **** yo couch.

Spoken like a true gambling industry man.

Not really as I like 3D World a lot. Mainly because I have more games for it (first and third party). I use it as a GameCube (finally experienced progressive scan almost a decade late, but on the plus side, it makes one of my all time favorite GameCube/PS2 niche titles look astounding even to this day, wish I had captures to show), and, on a smaller note, it had a better Smash (tripping be damned), but that's my controversial opinion (was so disappointed in Smash 4, I ended up playing Tekken Tag 2 WAY more on that same console).

@nintendoboy16: I think people really don't give the Wii enough credit. The fact that it's also a fully fledged GameCube, controller support and all, makes it a really great little machine IMO. Don't let the shovelware blind you, I say

lol

That, and it had too many hidden titles because of that fixation on shovelware. Find anyone who has heard of Tatsunoko vs Capcom (one of the best fighters of that gen and one some still beg to be ported after MVC3).

I wish the Switch had some Wii U games, seriously at least let me get Metroid Prime from my Wii U over to my Switch lol, plus if LoZ WW/Twlp and Xenobalde Chronicles X were on the Switch i'd be in heaven right now.

How can people think nintendo is back when they don't even have a home console on the market?

please look at the switch, it's even packaged like a nintendo hand held. Even at my local best buy the switch is in the displace area where they keep the 3ds. it's not where the xboxes and playstations are kept. want more proof, even the switch demo station is set up as the vita and 3ds demo stations before. with just the device no screen.

face it. switch is a portable console with a tv out dock. not a home console.

if you had and enjoyed the gameboy, ds, 3ds, psp, vita etc.. i suspect to you the switch is dream come true.

if you've never been into hand held consoles like myself, it's a zero interest device. hopefully nintendo get back into the home console market at some point.

@metalboi: not even. my ps4 has optical out, does the switch? no it doesn't. switch doesn't even support dolby 7.1 surround.