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#1 Zune_HD
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What do you think? Do you see Nintendo as innovative pioneers of video games or the gimmicky video game company?

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#2 OreoMilkshake
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Gimmovative.
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#3 VensInferno
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Out of Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo. Sony is my favorite. But Im smart enough to know the Nintendo is the best out of all.

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#4 93BlackHawk93
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Both.

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#5 hakanakumono
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I would say last gen they were pretty creative and perhaps innovative. This gen? Mostly gimmicky. But apparently, gimmicky wins over innovation.

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#6 xLFTMx
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Gimmicky.

I feel like they know that gimmicks sell. Its a great way to move consoles and handhelds. They release some great games for their gimmicky systems though, so meh.

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#7 xTheExploited
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A little bit of both. Either way it worked out great.
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#8 Shirokishi_
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The DS and Wii were pretty damn innovatve IMO. Im not too sure about the 3DS. 3D doesnt seem all that innovative.

Theyre kinda both I guess.

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#9 xXCombatWombat
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Before the Wii and this motion control garbage i'd say innovative but now they are very gimmicky.

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#10 TigerWars
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Nintendo is to gaming what Disney is to Animation. Shigeru Miyamoto is the modern day Walt Disney. Mario is the modern day Mickey. Either you love Nintendo for their games (or simply for their influence on the gaming industry) or you're just ignorant. EDIT: or you don't like gaming at all...weirdo.
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#11 dontshackzmii
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hd graphics are gimmicks so are fps games

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#12 jasonharris48
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A little bit of both.

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#13 Chogyam
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Innovative

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#14 mariokart64fan
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alll 3 companys made a mistake or two nintnedo how ever has learned , from virtual boy since then have had no really commercail failure

and lol they came back to the top as fast as sony dropped like arock with that said , ,

you cant keep a good dog down

and i call more innovative then gimmick cause look everyone is doing what n64 did they doing everything wii did now

and now ngp is copying the very same things 3ds /ds did

so ya i say innovative

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#15 campzor
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gimmicky motion controls..nuff said
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#16 Bigboi500
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More innovative than gimmicky. Love or hate Nintendo, nobody can deny that they have done more for gaming than Sony or Microsoft ever has.

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#17 ZIVX
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Well Nintendo did intoduce many things to the industry, I'm not sure if they were the first to do these but they made them more popular.

  • D-Pad
  • Shoulder Buttons
  • Rumble
  • Popularized Analog stick in consoles
  • Popularized Platforming genre
  • Popularized availability for 4-player
  • Popularized touch screen gaming
  • Popularized motion-controlled gaming
  • Currently popularizing 3D gaming

Nintendo did innovate some and brought back old ideas that no one really capitalized on sucessfully, but you can't deny that they continue to set new standards.

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#18 BreakTheseLinks
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People throw around those two terms so often they have lost all meaning IMO. Especially in SW where a feature you don't like isn't bad, it's a 'gimmick.'
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#19 sandbox3d
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I'd say a little of both, though their innovations far outweight their gimmicks. And often times its 3rd party devs that make Nintendos innovations look like simple gimmicks. Take the Wiimote for example. When I played MP3 it seemed like one of the most innovative things to come along in years. Same goes for some of the uses in the SMG games. But then an ocean of 3rd party devs come along with some pointlessly tacked on waggle mechanic and make it seem like a gimmick. Either way I dont care if Ninty gives us innovation or gimmicks, cause above all else they develope great games. Thats all that really matters.
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#20 HeavyMetalKirby
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I would say they are most deffanantly inovative. They came out with the

Wireless controller

rumble feature

Wii motion controlls

And it seems like MS and SONY copy them on alltheir ideas.

Nothing agenst SONY and MS because they inovate aswell(online gaming,online chat ext), but It seems ninty does some pretty ballsy moves in the gaming industry to try to improve it.

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#21 SRTtoZ
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Gimmicky since N64 IMO. The age of the CD started coming around, but nooooo Nintendo had to use Cartriges still...does anyone remember some of those games costing like 80 bucks new??

Then came Gamecube...hey lets use DVD's! Noooo...Lets use MINI CD's! They are so cute all the kids will love em!

Then Wii came out...still no DVD player, but this time around Motion controls...the same ones you can find at those little booths in the mall where you hook up a baseball bat to your TV directly and play baseball. Its been done before, meh.

And then we have the 3ds...Although I cant blame em because the 3d craze that started not long ago, but my fear is that it wont last long and Nintendo will still have this 3d handheld.

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#22 SRTtoZ
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hd graphics are gimmicks so are fps games

dontshackzmii

No, thats just better technology. Ignorance is amazing.

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#23 789shadow
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Well, innovative, since any "gimmicks" they come out with are always copied by the rest of the gaming industry.

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#24 topgunmv
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Both. They throw out a bunch of ideas, 90% of which are ridiculous. 10% of them actually work well, and move on to become industry standards.

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#25 Bigboi500
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[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

hd graphics are gimmicks so are fps games

SRTtoZ

No, thats just better technology. Ignorance is amazing.

Pot, meet kettle.

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#26 sandbox3d
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[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

hd graphics are gimmicks so are fps games

SRTtoZ

No, thats just better technology. Ignorance is amazing.

Oh, the irony :lol:
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#27 jasonharris48
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gimmicky motion controls..nuff saidcampzor
You forgot to add Gimmicky motion controls that Sony and Microsoft was eveer so quick to copy lol.

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Anyone who says gimmicky is a fanboy, and straight up lying to themselves. Nintendo has been innovating the industry since before many of us were even born. Just look back to the analog stick, in game saves, rumble, official wireless controllers. button layout, and now motion controlls and 3D, ect. While some people may not like or agree with some of the decisions Nintendo has made there is no denying that theyre innovative.

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#29 SRTtoZ
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Anyone who says gimmicky is a fanboy, and straight up lying to themselves. Nintendo has been innovating the industry since before many of us were even born. Just look back to the analog stick, in game saves, rumble, button layout, and now motion controlls and 3D, ect. While some people may not like or agree with some of the decisions Nintendo has made there is no denying that theyre innovative.

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Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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Anyone who says gimmicky is a fanboy, and straight up lying to themselves. Nintendo has been innovating the industry since before many of us were even born. Just look back to the analog stick, in game saves, rumble, official wireless controllers. button layout, and now motion controlls and 3D, ect. While some people may not like or agree with some of the decisions Nintendo has made there is no denying that theyre innovative.

Noj_Leakim

What if the poster says a little bit of both?

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#31 sandbox3d
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Anyone who says gimmicky is a fanboy, and straight up lying to themselves. Nintendo has been innovating the industry since before many of us were even born. Just look back to the analog stick, in game saves, rumble, button layout, and now motion controlls and 3D, ect. While some people may not like or agree with some of the decisions Nintendo has made there is no denying that theyre innovative.

Noj_Leakim
Well its not all black and white. Like I said before Nintendo gives us more innovation than they do gimmicks, but they do give us gimmicks from time to time.
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[QUOTE="Noj_Leakim"]

Anyone who says gimmicky is a fanboy, and straight up lying to themselves. Nintendo has been innovating the industry since before many of us were even born. Just look back to the analog stick, in game saves, rumble, button layout, and now motion controlls and 3D, ect. While some people may not like or agree with some of the decisions Nintendo has made there is no denying that theyre innovative.

SRTtoZ

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

:roll:Maybe if you could come up with a substantial rebuttel I would be able to take you seriously

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#33 sandbox3d
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[QUOTE="SRTtoZ"]

[QUOTE="Noj_Leakim"]

Anyone who says gimmicky is a fanboy, and straight up lying to themselves. Nintendo has been innovating the industry since before many of us were even born. Just look back to the analog stick, in game saves, rumble, button layout, and now motion controlls and 3D, ect. While some people may not like or agree with some of the decisions Nintendo has made there is no denying that theyre innovative.

Noj_Leakim

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

:roll:Maybe if you could come up with a substantial rebuttel I would be able to take you seriously

Dont get your hopes up. Hes on a blind hate roll.
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#34 Noj_Leakim
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[QUOTE="Noj_Leakim"]

Anyone who says gimmicky is a fanboy, and straight up lying to themselves. Nintendo has been innovating the industry since before many of us were even born. Just look back to the analog stick, in game saves, rumble, button layout, and now motion controlls and 3D, ect. While some people may not like or agree with some of the decisions Nintendo has made there is no denying that theyre innovative.

sandbox3d

Well its not all black and white. Like I said before Nintendo gives us more innovation than they do gimmicks, but they do give us gimmicks from time to time.

Well that would just be every company in existence. Nobody is so perfect they are going to hit the mark 100% of the time, but they do hit it more often than not, so because of this my original point stands. Someone would have to be willfuly ignorant to say they are more gimmicky than innovative

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#35 hakanakumono
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Well Nintendo did intoduce many things to the industry, I'm not sure if they were the first to do these but they made them more popular.

  • D-Pad
  • Shoulder Buttons
  • Memory Card
  • Rumble
  • Popularized Analog stick in consoles
  • Popularized Platforming genre
  • Popularized availability for 4-player
  • Popularized touch screen gaming
  • Popularized motion-controlled gaming
  • Currently popularizing 3D gaming

Nintendo did innovate some and brought back old ideas that no one really capitalized on sucessfully, but you can't deny that they continue to set new standards.

ZIVX

Both Sega Saturn and Playstation had memory cards before N64.

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#36 sandbox3d
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[QUOTE="sandbox3d"][QUOTE="Noj_Leakim"]

Anyone who says gimmicky is a fanboy, and straight up lying to themselves. Nintendo has been innovating the industry since before many of us were even born. Just look back to the analog stick, in game saves, rumble, button layout, and now motion controlls and 3D, ect. While some people may not like or agree with some of the decisions Nintendo has made there is no denying that theyre innovative.

Noj_Leakim

Well its not all black and white. Like I said before Nintendo gives us more innovation than they do gimmicks, but they do give us gimmicks from time to time.

Well that would just be every company in existence. Nobody is so perfect they are going to hit the mark 100% of the time, but they do hit it more often than not, so because of this my original point stands. Someone would have to be willfuly ignorant to say they are more gimmicky than innovative

Absolutely. I cant imagine what this industry would have been like without Nintendo. When it comes to the big dogs, they are the risk takers.
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#37 sandbox3d
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[QUOTE="ZIVX"]

Well Nintendo did intoduce many things to the industry, I'm not sure if they were the first to do these but they made them more popular.

  • D-Pad
  • Shoulder Buttons
  • Memory Card
  • Rumble
  • Popularized Analog stick in consoles
  • Popularized Platforming genre
  • Popularized availability for 4-player
  • Popularized touch screen gaming
  • Popularized motion-controlled gaming
  • Currently popularizing 3D gaming

Nintendo did innovate some and brought back old ideas that no one really capitalized on sucessfully, but you can't deny that they continue to set new standards.

hakanakumono

Both Sega Saturn and Playstation had memory cards before N64.

Maybe he meant gamesaves on a cartidge. Even then I'm not sure if Nintendo was first, but Zelda on NES was my first experience with that type of functionality.
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#38 alfredooo
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HD graphics and motion controls are both gimmicks.

Nintendo might be gimmicky when it comes to hardware but they are very innovative when it comes to software.

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#39 ZIVX
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[QUOTE="ZIVX"]

Well Nintendo did intoduce many things to the industry, I'm not sure if they were the first to do these but they made them more popular.

  • D-Pad
  • Shoulder Buttons
  • Memory Card
  • Rumble
  • Popularized Analog stick in consoles
  • Popularized Platforming genre
  • Popularized availability for 4-player
  • Popularized touch screen gaming
  • Popularized motion-controlled gaming
  • Currently popularizing 3D gaming

Nintendo did innovate some and brought back old ideas that no one really capitalized on sucessfully, but you can't deny that they continue to set new standards.

hakanakumono

Both Sega Saturn and Playstation had memory cards before N64.

I knew that one was off, thank you for pointing that out

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#40 AmayaPapaya
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A gimmick is just something used to attract attention. If something is innovative, it usually is gimmicky as well. There is nothing wrong with gimmicks. People use it like it is the worst thing ever.

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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="ZIVX"]

Well Nintendo did intoduce many things to the industry, I'm not sure if they were the first to do these but they made them more popular.

  • D-Pad
  • Shoulder Buttons
  • Memory Card
  • Rumble
  • Popularized Analog stick in consoles
  • Popularized Platforming genre
  • Popularized availability for 4-player
  • Popularized touch screen gaming
  • Popularized motion-controlled gaming
  • Currently popularizing 3D gaming

Nintendo did innovate some and brought back old ideas that no one really capitalized on sucessfully, but you can't deny that they continue to set new standards.

sandbox3d

Both Sega Saturn and Playstation had memory cards before N64.

Maybe he meant gamesaves on a cartidge. Even then I'm not sure if Nintendo was first, but Zelda on NES was my first experience with that type of functionality.

I think Zelda was first it was the first game with a Battery in the cartridge to save the game. I also think they had the first Password continue.

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#42 babyeatermax
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They're innovative. Nowhere near as innovative as the revisionist historians will try and argue, but still innovative.
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#43 hakanakumono
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[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="ZIVX"]

Well Nintendo did intoduce many things to the industry, I'm not sure if they were the first to do these but they made them more popular.

  • D-Pad
  • Shoulder Buttons
  • Memory Cardm.
  • Rumble
  • Popularized Analog stick in consoles
  • Popularized Platforming genre
  • Popularized availability for 4-player
  • Popularized touch screen gaming
  • Popularized motion-controlled gaming
  • Currently popularizing 3D gaming

Nintendo did innovate some and brought back old ideas that no one really capitalized on sucessfully, but you can't deny that they continue to set new standards.

sandbox3d

Both Sega Saturn and Playstation had memory cards before N64.

Maybe he meant gamesaves on a cartidge. Even then I'm not sure if Nintendo was first, but Zelda on NES was my first experience with that type of functionality.

He wrote "memory card."

Sometimes Nintendo innovates. Sometimes Nintendo employs gimmicks that catch on (rumble, motion controls). And sometimes companies just copy Nintendo, because Nintendo is in a position to be copied. For example, the NES controller's layout being the basis of all modern controllers. Or they're copied simply because they're the industry leader. On the contrary, after the the N64 the Gamecube took several cues from the Playstation. Why? It was successful.

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#44 GunSmith1_basic
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lol they are both innovative and gimmicky. I picked "innovative" because that's a compliment whereas "gimmicky" is an insult.
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#45 painguy1
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Gimmicks dont have to be a bad thing u know

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Disruptive.

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#47 godsendBLISS
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hd graphics are gimmicks so are fps games

dontshackzmii

how are hd graphics gimmicks? isn't that technology?

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#48 godsendBLISS
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[QUOTE="campzor"]gimmicky motion controls..nuff saidjasonharris48

You forgot to add Gimmicky motion controls that Sony and Microsoft was eveer so quick to copy lol.

that's called competition.

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[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

hd graphics are gimmicks so are fps games

godsendBLISS

how are hd graphics gimmicks? isn't that technology?

Then nothing would be considered a gimmick because Motion controls is technology, 3D is technology, Rumble is technology, and anything else gaming related that is considered a gimmick or was considered a gimmick is technology.

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[QUOTE="sandbox3d"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Both Sega Saturn and Playstation had memory cards before N64.

hakanakumono

Maybe he meant gamesaves on a cartidge. Even then I'm not sure if Nintendo was first, but Zelda on NES was my first experience with that type of functionality.

He wrote "memory card."

Sometimes Nintendo innovates. Sometimes Nintendo employs gimmicks that catch on (rumble, motion controls). And sometimes companies just copy Nintendo, because Nintendo is in a position to be copied. For example, the NES controller's layout being the basis of all modern controllers. Or they're copied simply because they're the industry leader. On the contrary, after the the N64 the Gamecube took several cues from the Playstation. Why? It was successful.

While I don't necessarily disagree with your entire post, and of course it is your opinion, I was wondering why you consider rumble a gimmick? I'm sure back in the day everybody was calling rumble a gimmick and everything, but now if it isn't included than everybody throws a fit. Look at the sixaxis. IMO this is exactly what will happen with motion controlls. Right now there are critics blasting it and calling it a gimmick but the way the industry is going in 15 years it will be the standard. That is exactly what being innovative is. Having the balls to innovate a so called "gimmick", and then watching as the rest of the industry catches up