Nintendo is Monster, WHAT HAVE WE DONE?

When Nintendo announced the Revolution, I didn't think it would end up like this, not like this...Nick_JC1

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

:( Don't tell me you two are overreacting too.

Just like last year, nothing was ruined. 'Twas a lame E3 for everyone.

Blackbond

I'm gonna be straight forward cause you really need this. Wake the hell up. Nintendo was a complete let down. Do you realize all the talent Nintendo has?

1. R&D1
2. Intelligent Systems
3. Camelot
4. Monolith
5. Retro
6. Miyamoto
7. Hal Labs

So tell me what in the hell they are doing with it? Its like the Celctics benching Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Kevin Garnett in the Playoffs. Its just stupid and it makes no sense. If people like you can't recognize that this is just an outrage then Nintendo is not going to do anything wrong. I said it to the Sony fans when Sony was F'N up. If you just continue to support and not be critical then the company isn't going to think they are doing anything wrong.

If everyone ignores the issue and looks at it the way you do then this is what you are looking at.

It was a let down, obviously. But critical =/= jumping on the hatewagon and claiming the end is nigh. It's clear that Nintendo screwed up, but nothing is ruined because of it, especially when MS and Sony didn't exactly take advantage of the opportunity either.

Right now, everyone needs to chill. This is the post-letdown SW eruption, and we're trying to be the voice of reason.

[QUOTE="thrones"]We abandoned them in the GC/N64 era. Now they're back with a mission to destroy gaming.ogvampire

by making videogames appeal to a wider audience? yeah... that makes sense

everybody knows that videogames belong to hardcore elitists :roll:

And why should the hardcore elitists care if Nintendo is making gaming appeal to a wider audience?

Most people enjoy gaming the way it was, the way it has been for decades. Now, this "paradigm shift" could completely change gaming. It's bad news for gamers if that does happen, so I feel I have the right to be a little annoyed after supporting the industry for years.

Wii Music, Wii Sports 2, and all the "Wii something" games will continue to sell millions. Wii will dominate the console war and Sony and Microsoft are likely to casualize in an attempt to get in on the casual goldmine next gen. The potential of this happening gives gamers the right to be annoyed. Why should we care about getting a wider audience if it means radically changing our hobby?

It was a let down, obviously. But critical =/= jumping on the hatewagon and claiming the end is nigh. It's clear that Nintendo screwed up, but nothing is ruined because of it, especially when MS and Sony didn't exactly take advantage of the opportunity either.

Right now, everyone needs to chill. This is the post-letdown SW eruption, and we're trying to be the voice of reason.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

So what are we supposed to do? Just Wait? Listen they had their chance. Their shot at securing tons of 3rd Parties with their huge user base ect.

They did nothing but put all their starters on the bench preventing them from getting on the court.

So what are we supposed to do? Just Wait? Listen they had their chance. Their shot at securing tons of 3rd Parties with their huge user base ect.

They did nothing but put all their starters on the bench preventing them from getting on the court.

Blackbond

But there has to be a reason. Maybe the games just weren't ready? Maybe something went wrong? Maybe Nintendo underestimated E3's importance (and they wouldn't be the only one?)

I'm highly doubtful that they really don't have anything else to show. You gave me the list of talented devs, there's no way they're all just sitting on their ass. So I think we should just wait a bit. The Big Three came and went not too long ago, we're in a drought but not a huge one, we can either wait or panic. Panicking won't help.

We abandoned them in the GC/N64 era. Now they're back with a mission to destroy gaming.thrones

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

[QUOTE="thrones"]We abandoned them in the GC/N64 era. Now they're back with a mission to destroy gaming.Blackbond

I abandoned them when the GC was announced Lol... and agreed they are ruining gaming to some extent

They aren't ruining gaming at all they are only ruining themselves.

Nintendo isn't ruining themselves yet. They are in a excellent financial position right now.

I believe there is a possibility it might though, if they continue to give their more traditional and dedicated fanbase the middle finger. And all the ''non-gamers'' move on to the next new trend. Then Nintendo will loose alot of support and even the hardcore will turn their back on them. But this is all speculation. Because I doubt the hype will ever die down. I thought the iPod was just a fad. Look now with the iPhone on the market.

I agree though, they are not ruining gaming... I still have my games.

Diablo III, Fallout 3, Gears of War 2, Mirror's Edge, Rage (new anounced by ID software), Alan Wake, FFVXIII, S.T.A.L.K.E.R Clear Sky, Spore, Starcraft 2, Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War II, Portal Still Alive, Resident Evil 5. And the list goes on.

I'm just saddened today that this list could not contain the next Zelda game.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

So what are we supposed to do? Just Wait? Listen they had their chance. Their shot at securing tons of 3rd Parties with their huge user base ect.

They did nothing but put all their starters on the bench preventing them from getting on the court.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

But there has to be a reason. Maybethe games just weren't ready? Maybe something went wrong? Maybe Nintendo underestimated E3's importance (and they wouldn't be the only one?)

I'm highly doubtful that they really don't have anything else to show. You gave me the list of talented devs, there's no way they're all just sitting on their ass. So I think we should just wait a bit. The Big Three came and went not too long ago, we're in a drought but not a huge one, we can either wait or panic. Panicking won't help.

Ahh, such posts remind of myself last year when I believed all promises and remained optimistic no matter what happened.

I said we should just wait and not panic back in the days too lol The games will be announced JUST WAIT Everyone :lol: Wake up and face reality the nintendo we all knew is no more...

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

[QUOTE="thrones"]We abandoned them in the GC/N64 era. Now they're back with a mission to destroy gaming.Blackbond

I abandoned them when the GC was announced Lol... and agreed they are ruining gaming to some extent

They aren't ruining gaming at all they are only ruining themselves.

How is Nintendo ruining themselves? With this gen they've guaranteed their spot in the industry for the next decade or so(and that's if their next console bombs). They've put out a lot of great games this gen, and 3rd party support is ramping up.

I do, however, think they should make some new studios to make more "core" games, though.

Gamers all around the globe kept buying wiis expecting to see the highest quality games on the cheapest console and now that the core fanbase was captivated by the earlty releases such as Zelda and Metroid Nintendo Shows what I think is their true self, they dropped more than CONSIDERABLY their support on core gamers, THEIR FANS, to consolidate themselves as a self proclaimed casual centered company as We all just saw, laughs aside from that dude playing the battery. If the Wii Achieves Ps2 like sales and becomes the dominant system, Ms and Sony will follow the casual path and Core based games will not be the main output of the industry, So we get to play drums instead of a new Zelda a new rayman Raving rabbids instead of new Ips, But hey smiles on everyone's faces We're Gettin' Animal Crossing ;D?

Where is Zelda? What happened to A new KH game rumored for the Wii, Hey SE has a big garage sale and Nintendo has Lots of money, remember the Ds? It prints teh money money that will end up used in more casual focused games like Wii resort APPARENTLY. At this point the Ps2 had lots of new ips and the third party support it had was entirely different from this joke.

Gamers gave them the highest sales and they gave up on Us as soon as they got them.

AgentA-Mi6

O.O what happend to your sig? Please don't tell me it's over FFXIII. I hope your sig is just a joke D:

flatline711

Oh GOD!!! LOL!!!

Thanks for pointing that out. I seriously cracked up.

I have moved from just trying to avoid the Wii to being proud I didn't support the console. Sad part is.. out of all the info in E3, a Wii game will probably make fox news for its "wavy wavy" and a truly innovative game like LBP will never see the light of prime time media.FragTycoon

I have moved from just trying to avoid the Wii to being proud I didn't support the console. Sad part is.. out of all the info in E3, a Wii game will probably make fox news for its "wavy wavy" and a truly innovative game like LBP will never see the light of prime time media.FragTycoon

Too late. I stayed home from work and have been watching news all day.

This morning they mentioned Netflix on Live (on a Fox affiliate anyway).

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

It was a let down, obviously. But critical =/= jumping on the hatewagon and claiming the end is nigh. It's clear that Nintendo screwed up, but nothing is ruined because of it, especially when MS and Sony didn't exactly take advantage of the opportunity either.

Right now, everyone needs to chill. This is the post-letdown SW eruption, and we're trying to be the voice of reason.

Blackbond

So what are we supposed to do? Just Wait? Listen they had their chance. Their shot at securing tons of 3rd Parties with their huge user base ect.

They did nothing but put all their starters on the bench preventing them from getting on the court.

This is what sheep have created

Nick_JC1

I don't understand all this whining from fanboys. If Nintendo's performance is so important to you, why didn't you support them during the last two generations? How can you possibly blame a company for changing their approach when their previous strategy of catering mostly to you, the core gamer, was leading them to last place, because YOU weren't supporting them? Afterall, Nintendo is a gaming COMPANY, out first and foremost to make money. It's just doing what it has to do to survive and thrive in the industry, and their current strategy is simply a product of the consumer's response to their previous strategy.

Nintendo can't afford to bleed away money on expensive hardware. With Sony and Microsoft as competition, they will simply lose that game every time. They also couldn't afford to let their fanbase dwindle away any more than it already had. So exactly what choice did they have? The way I see it, they only had two: gamble the way they did and succeed, or stick to their previous route and, in time, go the way of Sega. Again, how can you possibly blame them?

[QUOTE="Nick_JC1"]

This is what sheep have created

Dreams-Visions

and nothing but truth.

Your hypocrisy is almost staggering. You talk about hardcore gaming and casual gaming but don't know what you're talking about. The PS3/360 are the ones dumbing down games from pc, the Wii is introducing new stuff not found anywhere else.

What most gamers fail to understand is the fact that developers dont want to reveal their hardcore games too early because hardcore gamers whine and complain too much early on. All three companies have them in development but will only reveal them when they are closer to completion.

Oh and blaming Nintendo for the casual movement is just stupid. You can't blame a company for tapping into the largest group of people and being successful. If Sony and Microsoft were smart enough to find them first it would have been no different. As a matter of fact Sony has been trying to do this since the beginning with all the movie formats, they were just to blind to see past that audience.

I don't understand all this whining from fanboys. If Nintendo's performance is so important to you, why didn't you support them during the last two generations? How can you possibly blame a company for changing their approach when their previous strategy of catering mostly to you, the core gamer, was leading them to last place, because YOU weren't supporting them? Afterall, Nintendo is a gaming COMPANY, out first and foremost to make money. It's just doing what it has to do to survive and thrive in the industry, and their current strategy is simply a product of the consumer's response to their previous strategy.

Nintendo can't afford to bleed away money on expensive hardware. With Sony and Microsoft as competition, they will simply lose that game every time. They also couldn't afford to let their fanbase dwindle away any more than it already had. So exactly what choice did they have? The way I see it, they only had two: gamble the way they did and succeed, or stick to their previous route and, in time, go the way of Sega. Again, how can you possibly blame them?

Blank1921

You make a valid point. But if you remember the SNES, it definitely was a succesfull system. Where exactly did they go wrong? Poor third party support.

If they invested some more energy and effort into more third-party support. We might have seen many potentially good games on the Wii.

Portal, Bioshock, Team Fortress 2, Mirrors Edge. Just to name a few games that would have perfectly fit Nintendo's new control scheme.

If this potential keeps going wasted, it makes me kinda sad.

Wii still doesn't have a proper online support. I was somehow hoping they anounced games without the so frustrating friend codes that restricts/limitates me getting connected to the community.

Yeah Nintendo's core Fanbase Ought to be pleased with Wii music 8)

All those mysterious unrevealed Games will change everything... Just wait.

Yeah Nintendo's core Fanbase Ought to be pleased with Wii music 8)

All those mysterious unrevealed Games will change everything... Just wait.

AgentA-Mi6

"a new rayman Raving rabbids instead of new Ips"

Wii Music is a new IP

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Yeah Nintendo's core Fanbase Ought to be pleased with Wii music 8)

All those mysterious unrevealed Games will change everything... Just wait.

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

You're not the only one there are many others Hyped for that Killer app exclusive

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Yeah Nintendo's core Fanbase Ought to be pleased with Wii music 8)

All those mysterious unrevealed Games will change everything... Just wait.

AgentA-Mi6

You're not the only one there are many others Hyped for that Killer app exclusive

When Nintendo announced the Revolution, I didn't think it would end up like this, not like this...

Nick_JC1

:lol: that was the lamest, weirdest thing I've ever saw, Nintendo is going after the non-gamers it is not even funny anymore after saying this :(

Yeah like Resistance 2.Ghost_Dub

And Lips... 8) Great gen indeed

[QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Yeah Nintendo's core Fanbase Ought to be pleased with Wii music 8)

All those mysterious unrevealed Games will change everything... Just wait.

AgentA-Mi6

You're not the only one there are many others Hyped for that Killer app exclusive

[QUOTE="Ghost_Dub"] Yeah like Resistance 2.AgentA-Mi6

And Lips... 8) Great gen indeed

WII SPEAK WORLD WIDE. :shock:

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"][QUOTE="Gh0st_Of_0nyx"][QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

Yeah Nintendo's core Fanbase Ought to be pleased with Wii music 8)

All those mysterious unrevealed Games will change everything... Just wait.

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

You're not the only one there are many others Hyped for that Killer app exclusive

This is the stupidest product ever created, if that sells then my faith in humanity is going to be in the minus, it is not even a game, at least wii sport was a game and wii fit was half-assed game.

[QUOTE="flatline711"]

O.O what happend to your sig? Please don't tell me it's over FFXIII. I hope your sig is just a joke D:

Lionheart08

I guess you weren't on last night. He even made a thread about converting into a lem and GhostMLD was the first to accept him. :P

This is the stupidest product ever created, if that sells then my faith in humanity is going to be in the minus, it is not even a game, at least wii sport was a game and wii fit was half-assed game.

HAZE-Unit

I cant believe that some still defend Nintendo and those hideous generic games... I hoped to see something else from The big N.

You talk as if Nintendo was solely guilty of being composed of a complete and utter crap of a conference(still doesn't excuse this travesty). Perhaps I should watch them all over again, and see what exactly of interest was present in any of them that I missed... StealthSting

Animal Crossing Wii?

You make a valid point. But if you remember the SNES, it definitely was a succesfull system. Where exactly did they go wrong? Poor third party support.

If they invested some more energy and effort into more third-party support. We might have seen many potentially good games on the Wii.

Portal, Bioshock, Team Fortress 2, Mirrors Edge. Just to name a few games that would have perfectly fit Nintendo's new control scheme.

If this potential keeps going wasted, it makes me kinda sad.

Wii still doesn't have a proper online support. I was somehow hoping they anounced games without the so frustrating friend codes that restricts/limitates me getting connected to the community.

PullTheTricker

the truth is i got fooled buying a wii,i saw the zelda game and i said damn i have to play this,then metroid came a great game,then i played re4 for the first time on the wii and said wtf this is amazing......smash and mario kart were awesome too but didnt last more than omonth for me.....

and now i dont have nothing to expect for whole year.nintendo is losing customers this way,believe me although i love the wii and some games of it and i know its capable of great games ,i dont see a point in keeping it.what should i expect a new zelda in 2011?

seriusly this is the most disapointing e3 for a wii owner and only fanboys will find a good thing to say.

and dont rush to call me a fanboy cause if you read all my previus posts were defending the wii but now i lost hope in it,heck i was a playstation fan and now i am considering getting x360 because it will have so4 except ffxiii(the only things that keep me are disgaea and mg4)

We abandoned them in the GC/N64 era. Now they're back with a mission to destroy gaming.thrones

I concur. Why spend 3 years and millions and millions on a MGS4, GTA4, or a FF when you can pump out crap like Carnival Games every few months and sell just as many copies? Nintendo Wii will be the death of the industry as we know it, dang the birdman theory.

This thread is about how I feel about Nintendo and apparently many agree with me.

AgentA-Mi6

[QUOTE="thrones"]We abandoned them in the GC/N64 era. Now they're back with a mission to destroy gaming.mbrockway

I concur. Why spend 3 years and millions and millions on a MGS4, GTA4, or a FF when you can pump out crap like Carnival Games every few months and sell just as many copies? Nintendo Wii will be the death of the industry as we know it, dang the birdman theory.

ditto

I don't understand all this whining from fanboys. If Nintendo's performance is so important to you, why didn't you support themduring the last two generations? How can you possibly blame a company for changing their approach when their previous strategy of catering mostly to you, the core gamer, was leading them to last place, because YOU weren't supporting them? Afterall, Nintendo is a gaming COMPANY, out first and foremost to make money. It's just doing what it has to do to survive and thrive in the industry, and their current strategy is simply a product of the consumer's response to their previous strategy.

Nintendo can't afford to bleed away money on expensive hardware. With Sony and Microsoft as competition, they will simply lose that game every time. They also couldn't afford to let their fanbase dwindle away any more than it already had. So exactly what choice did they have? The way I see it, they only had two: gamble the way they did and succeed, or stick to their previous route and, in time, go the way of Sega. Again, how can you possibly blame them?

Blank1921

Welllll...

1. There was a Zelda title released last year, along with Mario. So Nintendo would want to wait out on this years E3 for next year probably for a new game in each franchise. Same with Metroid.

2. Media, media, media. More casual approach for Nintendo=more media attention=more sales. Got it?

3. You didn't address anywhere where Nintendo was a 'monster'. Besides, there's still Brawl, and Wii Music and Wii Sports Resort! both look kinda intresting. Finally, jet skiing...on my couch!

4. Hey, there's still Dead Rising on Wii. fap fap faaaaaap!

[QUOTE="mbrockway"]

[QUOTE="thrones"]We abandoned them in the GC/N64 era. Now they're back with a mission to destroy gaming.azad_champ

I concur. Why spend 3 years and millions and millions on a MGS4, GTA4, or a FF when you can pump out crap like Carnival Games every few months and sell just as many copies? Nintendo Wii will be the death of the industry as we know it, dang the birdman theory.

ditto

Nintendo wants to MAKE MONEY. They're not destroying gaming, they're just cartering to a different audience. Nintendo will still make games like Mario, Zelda and Super Smash Bros. That won't change. They're just introducing new stuff like Wii Sports and Brain Age to get more people into the gaming audience. Games like MGS4, GTA4 or a FF are big, huge multi-million dollar games that rival movies as an art form. There will still always be the stupid junk games, it's just more obvious on the Wii. Carnival Games and the like are the offspring of developers trying to make a quick bang and making terrible games that are casual. If nobody buys those games, the market won't be flooded and we will have good games. The Wii WILL NOT be the death of the industry, the thrid-parties will be. Got it? We'll still have our multi-million dollar games, and the crapy ones too. Nothing has changed.

When Nintendo announced the Revolution, I didn't think it would end up like this, not like this...

Nick_JC1

:lol::lol: