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#1 KeyWii
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It all started with the N64. Nintendo is such a cheap, selfish company, they continued using their own cartridges because it's cheaper for them and more expensive for everyone else.

Instead of paying Sony and Phillips some coin to use CDs, which would have been a great boon to 3rd parties, they selfishly continued to use inferior cartridges. Which cost them a great deal of 3rd party support.

I almost think Nintendo doesn't want 3RD party support (competition) because they then benefit from enormous sales on their 1st party games, which are the only quality games being released. You can see this with the N64. Let's analyze sales data. The number on the left is units sold in millions.

5.94 N64 Nintendo Super Mario 64
5.01 N64 Nintendo GoldenEye 007
4.8 N64 Nintendo Mario Kart 64
3.57 N64 Nintendo Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
2.87 N64 Nintendo Donkey Kong 64
2.74 N64 Nintendo Pokemon Stadium
2.74 N64 Nintendo Super Smash Brothers
2.5 N64 Nintendo Diddy Kong Racing
2.4 N64 Nintendo Star Fox 64
1.91 N64 Nintendo Pokemon Snap
1.73 N64 Nintendo Star Wars: Shadow of the Empire
1.7 N64 Nintendo Wave Race 64
1.63 N64 Nintendo Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask
1.61 N64 Nintendo Banjo-Kazooie
1.49 N64 LucasArts Star Wars Episode 1: Racer

WOW WE FINALLY HAVE A 3RD PARTY ON THE BOARD! GOOD JOB BULLYING 3RD PARTIES NINTENDO. Source: http://www.videogamecharts.com/page4.html

Now let's look at Sony who encourages support (games) for it's sytem, despite the fact they may not profit astronomically off their own games. PS2 First: Quick Snippet.

6.47 PS2 Take 2 Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
5.51 PS2 Take 2 Grand Theft Auto 3
5.14 PS2 Take 2 Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
3.66 PS2 Sony Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec
3.43 PS2 Electronic Arts Madden NFL 2004
3.27 PS2 Electronic Arts Madden NFL 2005

Now let us examine the PS1.

3.26 PSX Sony Gran Turismo
3.12 PSX Sony Crash Bandicoot 2
3.1 PSX Sony Gran Turismo 2
3.05 PSX Sony Crash Bandicoot 3: Wrapped
2.94 PSX Atari (Infogrames) Frogger
2.75 PSX Sony Crash Bandicoot
2.75 PSX Sony Spyro The Dragon
2.7 PSX Namco Tekken 3
2.63 PSX Activision Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2
2.62 PSX Atari Driver
2.51 PSX Activision Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater

Astounding! 3rd Parties actually profit off the PlayStation systems.

What about Microsoft?
4.29 XB Microsoft Halo 2
3.94 XB Microsoft Halo: Combat Evolved
1.5 XB Take 2 Grand Theft Auto Double Pack
1.46 XB Ubisoft Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell
1.2 XB Electronic Arts Madden NFL 2006
1.2 XB Microsoft Project Gotham Racing
1.1 XB Sega ESPN NFL 2K5

Much better than Nintendo, but not even close to PlayStation.

 
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#2 web966
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All companies are selfish
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Wha?
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#4 hyruledweller
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You think nintendo are selfish? Meet Microsoft.
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That would have been significanlty easier to read if it was all the same color.
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I don't seem to understand what you're saying.Nintendo is selfish because they used cartridges instead?
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#7 kittykatz5k
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I suggest you take an echon class, like when you getto high school.
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#8 YearoftheSnake5
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Nintendo had a different chairman at the time of the N64. Then again, every company is selfish; gotta make money somehow.
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#9 TarmacChris
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You know what KiiWii, as much as I dislike/despise you sometimes. You are making sense with this one.
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#11 Strider212
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It's called business...
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Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo wants your money... Everyone should have known this.
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#13 SpruceCaboose
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Hahaha. So Nintendo is selfish for things they did 10 years ago?
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You think nintendo are selfish? Meet Microsoft.hyruledweller

I see M$ taking loses to bring me a great product.

I see Nintendo just tweaking Motion sensing technology adding it to a controller then renaming their dead GC, then claiming they have a new console for us. And they want str8 up profits for it

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Making money= teh selfish!!!!!!11!!

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#16 Master_Hermes
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Making great games that appeal to their fanbase doesn't make them selfish...
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#17 Yodon
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Every company is selfish, unless there's a company that doesn't want to make money.
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#18 KeyWii
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What the hell. No matter what color I use it won't show up. This is what I get for trying to copy/paste
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[QUOTE="hyruledweller"]You think nintendo are selfish? Meet Microsoft.

how bout Sony as well....:|
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[QUOTE="hyruledweller"]You think nintendo are selfish? Meet Microsoft.Blinblingthing

I see M$ taking loses to bring me a great product.

I see Nintendo just tweaking Motion sensing technology adding it to a controller then renaming their dead GC, then claiming they have a new console for us. And they want str8 up profits for it

I see Microsoft in violation of anti trust laws....many times.

I also see Microsoft losing money to bring an unreliable product to market. One with overheating and disk destroying issues.

I see Nintendo actually making profit and having a system with full backwards compatibility.

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[QUOTE="KeyWii"]It all started with the N64. Nintendo is such a cheap, selfish company, they continued using their own cartridges because it's cheaper for them and more expensive for everyone else.

Instead of paying Sony and Phillips some coin to use CDs, which would have been a great boon to 3rd parties, they selfishly continued to use inferior cartridges. Which cost them a great deal of 3rd party support.

I almost think Nintendo doesn't want 3RD party support (competition) because they then benefit from enormous sales on their 1st party games, which are the only quality games being released. You can see this with the N64. Let's analyze sales data. The number on the left is units sold in millions.

5.94N64NintendoSuper Mario 645.01N64NintendoGoldenEye 0074.8N64NintendoMario Kart 643.57N64NintendoLegend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time2.87N64NintendoDonkey Kong 642.74N64NintendoPokemon Stadium2.74N64NintendoSuper Smash Brothers2.5N64NintendoDiddy Kong Racing2.4N64NintendoStar Fox 641.91N64NintendoPokemon Snap1.73N64NintendoStar Wars: Shadow of the Empire1.7N64NintendoWave Race 641.63N64NintendoLegend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask1.61N64NintendoBanjo-Kazooie1.49N64LucasArtsStar Wars Episode 1: RacerWOW WE FINALLY HAVE A 3RD PARTY ON THE BOARD! GOOD JOB BULLYING 3RD PARTIES NINTENDO. Source: http://www.videogamecharts.com/page4.html

Now let's look at Sony who encourages support (games) for it's sytem, despite the fact they may not profit astronomically off their own games. PS2 First: Quick Snippet.

6.47PS2Take 2Grand Theft Auto: Vice City5.51PS2Take 2Grand Theft Auto 35.14PS2Take 2Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas3.66PS2SonyGran Turismo 3: A-Spec3.43PS2Electronic ArtsMadden NFL 20043.27PS2Electronic ArtsMadden NFL 2005Now let us examine the PS1.

3.26PSXSonyGran Turismo3.12PSXSonyCrash Bandicoot 23.1PSXSonyGran Turismo 23.05PSXSonyCrash Bandicoot 3: Wrapped2.94PSXAtari (Infogrames)Frogger2.75PSXSonyCrash Bandicoot2.75PSXSonySpyro The Dragon2.7PSXNamcoTekken 32.63PSXActivisionTony Hawk’s Pro Skater 22.62PSXAtariDriver2.51PSXActivisionTony Hawk’s Pro SkaterAstounding! 3rd Parties actually profit off the PlayStation systems.

What about Microsoft?
4.29XBMicrosoftHalo 23.94XBMicrosoftHalo: Combat Evolved1.5XBTake 2Grand Theft Auto Double Pack1.46XBUbisoftTom Clancy’s Splinter Cell1.2XBElectronic ArtsMadden NFL 20061.2XBMicrosoftProject Gotham Racing1.1XBSegaESPN NFL 2K5Much better than Nintendo, but not even close to PlayStation.

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I LOL'ed. Hard TC: you justify Nintendo being selfish because of the cartridges and then blame them for producing great selling games?
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I think they expected 3rd parties to follow them with their N64 just because of their brand name so I do agree cartridges was a huge mistake. They basically gave away their crown in the console war and allowed consumers to despise them for not delivering an entertainment system as great as the PS1...which obviously transferred into even more hatred when GC didn't improve their 3rd party support.

They're doing much better now with their Wii and DS though and they do appear much less selfish/arrogant and I do think it's going to be beneficial to them.
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I think they expected 3rd parties to follow them with their N64 just because of their brand name so I do agree cartridges was a huge mistake. They basically gave away their crown in the console war and allowed consumers to despise them for not delivering an entertainment system as great as the PS1...which obviously transferred into even more hatred when GC didn't improve their 3rd party support.

They're doing much better now with their Wii and DS though and they do appear much less selfish/arrogant and I do think it's going to be beneficial to them.
the-very-best
They're the same. They still refused to part with some cash to use DVD's with the GameCube and they did it again with the Wii.
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Sony didn't make Crash Bandicoot.
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#25 KeyWii
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Sony didn't make Crash Bandicoot.stilfro
They published it. And Naughty Dog is a part of Sony.
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[QUOTE="the-very-best"]I think they expected 3rd parties to follow them with their N64 just because of their brand name so I do agree cartridges was a huge mistake. They basically gave away their crown in the console war and allowed consumers to despise them for not delivering an entertainment system as great as the PS1...which obviously transferred into even more hatred when GC didn't improve their 3rd party support.

They're doing much better now with their Wii and DS though and they do appear much less selfish/arrogant and I do think it's going to be beneficial to them.
KeyWii
They're the same. They still refused to part with some cash to use DVD's with the GameCube and they did it again with the Wii.

Because most people already have a DVD player,and they didn't want us to spend more on an unnecessary feature for the Wii.....

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guess you havent seen the price for sony psp, ps2 slim, ps3 .... either hmm

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[QUOTE="the-very-best"]I think they expected 3rd parties to follow them with their N64 just because of their brand name so I do agree cartridges was a huge mistake. They basically gave away their crown in the console war and allowed consumers to despise them for not delivering an entertainment system as great as the PS1...which obviously transferred into even more hatred when GC didn't improve their 3rd party support.

They're doing much better now with their Wii and DS though and they do appear much less selfish/arrogant and I do think it's going to be beneficial to them.
KeyWii
They're the same. They still refused to part with some cash to use DVD's with the GameCube and they did it again with the Wii.

so thats why japan is getting a new verison of wii with dvd player ..... :roll:

gc in japan had dvd player as well...

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#29 kansasdude2009
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well... that was dumb...

More 3rd party = more games = more consoles sold = more 1st party titles sold

/thread
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Just out of curiosity. do u know why Nintendo canceled the CD support from Sony? Its becasue Sony wanted the rights to all of Nintendo's franchises. Now tell me, would that do any good for Nintendo if Sony stole all the franchises and made cheap knock offs of Mario for the PoS3? Cartrages were are still are the best way for gaming. NDS proves it, they are fast and easy, why do we need massive games when all we want is fun? Yes thats right. Cartriages are awesome.
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You know the reason why the Playstation came into being? Nintendo canceled their deal for the SNES CD Player (then called Play Station), due to the fact that Sony wanted complete control of any and all titles on the SNES add-on. So who's more selfish, the company that kept an old, expensive technology, or a company that tried to completely steal the rights to all games developed by their partner.

EDIT: Oops, someone posted same thing as me right before I could.  Anyway, he's got another good point:  cartridges were better than CDs in many respects, for example, they load much faster.  They're also much less susceptible to physical harm than CDs, even though they do tend to get dusty, they don't tend to break, and aren't useless if they get scratched.
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Just out of curiosity. do u know why Nintendo canceled the CD support from Sony? Its becasue Sony wanted the rights to all of Nintendo's franchises. Now tell me, would that do any good for Nintendo if Sony stole all the franchises and made cheap knock offs of Mario for the PoS3? Cartrages were are still are the best way for gaming. NDS proves it, they are fast and easy, why do we need massive games when all we want is fun? Yes thats right. Cartriages are awesome.beinss

he just a troll dont take him serouisly

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#33 KeyWii
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well... that was dumb...

More 3rd party = more games = more consoles sold = more 1st party titles sold

/thread
kansasdude2009
The point of this thread was that Nintendo has crap 3rd party because 3rd parties struggle to profit off Nintendo consoles.
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Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo wants your money... Everyone should have known this.AntiType

exactly.

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guess you havent seen the price for sony psp, ps2 slim, ps3 .... either hmm

wavebrid

PSP owns,PS2 is dirt cheap and PS3.....Er......good luck with that one Sony. By the way the Bob Ross pic crack me up.

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[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]well... that was dumb...

More 3rd party = more games = more consoles sold = more 1st party titles sold

/thread
KeyWii
The point of this thread was that Nintendo has crap 3rd party because 3rd parties struggle to profit off Nintendo consoles.


very ture.... (mostly)

how does that make them selfish?
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#37 KeyWii
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[QUOTE="AntiType"]Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo wants your money... Everyone should have known this.mlbslugger86

exactly.

It's fine that they want money. But Sony allows others to profit off their system, unlike Nintendo. Thus, we get more games on a Sony system.
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I think they expected 3rd parties to follow them with their N64 just because of their brand name so I do agree cartridges was a huge mistake. They basically gave away their crown in the console war and allowed consumers to despise them for not delivering an entertainment system as great as the PS1...which obviously transferred into even more hatred when GC didn't improve their 3rd party support.

They're doing much better now with their Wii and DS though and they do appear much less selfish/arrogant and I do think it's going to be beneficial to them.
the-very-best

ps1 great :lol: actually gc did improve 3rd party :|

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Sony makes Music, Movies, everything electronic you can think of and again want to own your movie format.

who's selfish?



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#40 wavebrid
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[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

[QUOTE="AntiType"]Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo wants your money... Everyone should have known this.KeyWii

exactly.

It's fine that they want money. But Sony allows others to profit off their system, unlike Nintendo. Thus, we get more games on a Sony system.

hahahaha cows.....

its what system sells sony has no say. how come there more games for wii than ps3?

hmmmm

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#41 KeyWii
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]well... that was dumb...

More 3rd party = more games = more consoles sold = more 1st party titles sold

/thread
kansasdude2009
The point of this thread was that Nintendo has crap 3rd party because 3rd parties struggle to profit off Nintendo consoles.


very ture.... (mostly)

how does that make them selfish?

My theory is that Nintendo doesn't really care for 3rd party support because competition from 3rd parties would cut into their own profits. Thats why we always see them use their own non-standard format which is cheap for them and expensive for everyone else.
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[QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

[QUOTE="AntiType"]Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo wants your money... Everyone should have known this.KeyWii

exactly.

It's fine that they want money. But Sony allows others to profit off their system, unlike Nintendo. Thus, we get more games on a Sony system.


how does nintendo not let 3rd parties make a profit? This makes no sense! The Wii is the cheapest to develope for meaning more games will come to it and more copies are sold because it is selling so well, already half of what the 360 has sold (about). Developers make money depending on how many copies of a game is sold, so how does making a game for a nintendo platform = no profit?
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#44 wavebrid
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[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]well... that was dumb...

More 3rd party = more games = more consoles sold = more 1st party titles sold

/thread
KeyWii
The point of this thread was that Nintendo has crap 3rd party because 3rd parties struggle to profit off Nintendo consoles.


very ture.... (mostly)

how does that make them selfish?

My theory is that Nintendo doesn't really care for 3rd party support because competition from 3rd parties would cut into their own profits. Thats why we always see them use their own non-standard format which is cheap for them and expensive for everyone else.

your theory is so damm wrong its not even funny.

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They are greedy, making a profit on a system from day 1, charging £39.99 for Wii games, making 100 different versions of DS.
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[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"][QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]well... that was dumb...

More 3rd party = more games = more consoles sold = more 1st party titles sold

/thread
KeyWii
The point of this thread was that Nintendo has crap 3rd party because 3rd parties struggle to profit off Nintendo consoles.


very ture.... (mostly)

how does that make them selfish?

My theory is that Nintendo doesn't really care for 3rd party support because competition from 3rd parties would cut into their own profits. Thats why we always see them use their own non-standard format which is cheap for them and expensive for everyone else.


and that is where I come in and say....

More 3rd party = more games = more consoles sold = more 1st party titles sold

The wii uses DVD's now and are VERY cheap, and I highly doubt that nintendo purposfully said "hey, lets use cartriges to screw over the 3rd parties...hehehe!"
/thread
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That doesn't seem that much better..and anyways.

=/=

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#48 wavebrid
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They are greedy, making a profit on a system from day 1, charging £39.99 for Wii games, making 100 different versions of DS.Riviera_Phantom

yup

 three diffrent color ds :|

like how ps2 has a slime and ps3 has a core

like ms as a core and a perimum....

like those games cost 59.99

hmmm your logic is really flaw

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#49 kansasdude2009
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They are greedy, making a profit on a system from day 1, charging £39.99 for Wii games, making 100 different versions of DS.Riviera_Phantom

you mean the DS phat to test out the market and then perfecting it with the lite? Nintendo did not know that the DS would sell well, it was a test product so they made it really cheap to manufacture. Once it started selling really well the lite came and we are all happy....

Same goes for the Wii (only it already looks great)
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#50 Riviera_Phantom
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[QUOTE="KeyWii"][QUOTE="mlbslugger86"]

[QUOTE="AntiType"]Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo wants your money... Everyone should have known this.kansasdude2009

exactly.

It's fine that they want money. But Sony allows others to profit off their system, unlike Nintendo. Thus, we get more games on a Sony system.


how does nintendo not let 3rd parties make a profit? This makes no sense! The Wii is the cheapest to develope for meaning more games will come to it and more copies are sold because it is selling so well, already half of what the 360 has sold (about). Developers make money depending on how many copies of a game is sold, so how does making a game for a nintendo platform = no profit?

Do some friggin research. The only 3rd Party games to sell well on Nintendo consoles were RE4(Gc) and Turok on N64.