Nintendo Leading Microsoft and Sony Into A TRAP?

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

Honestly, if Sony and Microsoft were to launch their new peripherals without casual, bridge, and hardcore titles that gain a lot of success... I don't see how this could do anything to the market. :(

hakanakumono

Has history taught you nothing? Casuals don't need to be tricked into hardcore titles.

Also, we are talking non-gamers. People who are just learning to play for the first time or people trying to pick up gaming again. That includes the little tots of the future (future hardcore gamers), and the parents of current gamers.

no nintendos not evil they are amazing, they are everything a company should be, ,

they do somthing new almsot every time , , with the exception of gc

they dont always keep the same stuff year round , they keep their franchises and make new ones, ther just better at it , ,

and the trap was set way before ms came in to the market , ,

ms is like i said , just another sega -one whos always losing the front, every chance they got ,

they were so desperate to get the lead they had to rush a faulty xbox out the door ,-2005 but you kn ow what did it even pay off , ,

noo

heres why

1 they were faulty in the beginning therefor costing ms more money

2 nintendo wii caught up to overall sales within a year of it being out

3 sony has been catching up since they started -looks at japans sales ,

i dont think its a trap for sony its more of a trap for hte new comer who still needs help in areas ,

its too late to take out sony , ,

in the console section because their the ones doing somthing innovative as well , much like nintendo

Awesome thread. As a multiplat owner (I have a PS3 and Wii and I used to own a 360) I have to say the Wii is getting ready to Rock and Roll. It took a couple of years of big time sales but the quality exclusives are starting to pour in and I think this pace is going to continue and even intensify for the next couple of years. I have to say that my most anticipated titles this year are still PS3 titles (Uncharted 2 and Assassin's Creed 2) but there is a ton of stuff on the Wii that looks interesting which is a lot more then I could say last year.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="kansasdude2009"]

Honestly, if Sony and Microsoft were to launch their new peripherals without casual, bridge, and hardcore titles that gain a lot of success... I don't see how this could do anything to the market. :(

hakanakumono

Has history taught you nothing? Casuals don't need to be tricked into hardcore titles.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Tylendal"] It can't. If they don't try to make the right bridge titles, then that is a sure sign that Natal and the PSWand are just an attempt to emulate Nintendo, with no true recognition of why motion sensing was working for Nintendo.Tylendal

Has history taught you nothing? Casuals don't need to be tricked into hardcore titles.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Tylendal"] It can't. If they don't try to make the right bridge titles, then that is a sure sign that Natal and the PSWand are just an attempt to emulate Nintendo, with no true recognition of why motion sensing was working for Nintendo.kansasdude2009

Has history taught you nothing? Casuals don't need to be tricked into hardcore titles.

Also, we are talking non-gamers. People who are just learning to play for the first time or people trying to pick up gaming again. That includes the little tots of the future (future hardcore gamers), and the parents of current gamers.

All gamers are born as non gamers. And all gamers didn't grow up with a NES.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Tylendal"] It can't. If they don't try to make the right bridge titles, then that is a sure sign that Natal and the PSWand are just an attempt to emulate Nintendo, with no true recognition of why motion sensing was working for Nintendo.Tylendal

Has history taught you nothing? Casuals don't need to be tricked into hardcore titles.

You're talking about "bridge" titles as if getting people to become gamers or to touch hardcore games is a delicate science. It's really not. Definitive hardcore games like Final Fantasy VII and Resident Evil 2 have made casuals into hardcore gamers. I know the former made me one. And the latter inspired me years after it was released. You just need one great experience that shows what gaming can offer you.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Has history taught you nothing? Casuals don't need to be tricked into hardcore titles.

hakanakumono

You're talking about "bridge" titles as if getting people to become gamers or to touch hardcore games is a delicate science. It's really not. Definitive hardcore games like Final Fantasy VII and Resident Evil 2 have made casuals into hardcore gamers. I know the former made me one. And the latter inspired me years after it was released. You just need one great experience that shows what gaming can offer you.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Tylendal"] Hmm? What do you mean by that?kansasdude2009

You're talking about "bridge" titles as if getting people to become gamers or to touch hardcore games is a delicate science. It's really not. Definitive hardcore games like Final Fantasy VII and Resident Evil 2 have made casuals into hardcore gamers. I know the former made me one. And the latter inspired me years after it was released. You just need one great experience that shows what gaming can offer you.

Well, I had my aunt and cousins who played video games whenever I went to visit my family for holidays that inspired me to get an N64 (despite them having playstation - which I should have bought). But it wasn't that upbringing that got me into videogames, it was that one game that everyone was talking about - Final Fantasy. In this case, IX had just come out but at the same time VII was relatively new on the PC so I tried it and it blew me away.

Gamer's dont' need an "introductory course" they just need really big hardcore titles. Sometimes it inspires people to want more, sometimes it doesn't.

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

Has history taught you nothing? Casuals don't need to be tricked into hardcore titles.

hakanakumono

You're talking about "bridge" titles as if getting people to become gamers or to touch hardcore games is a delicate science. It's really not. Definitive hardcore games like Final Fantasy VII and Resident Evil 2 have made casuals into hardcore gamers. I know the former made me one. And the latter inspired me years after it was released. You just need one great experience that shows what gaming can offer you.

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

You're talking about "bridge" titles as if getting people to become gamers or to touch hardcore games is a delicate science. It's really not. Definitive hardcore games like Final Fantasy VII and Resident Evil 2 have made casuals into hardcore gamers. I know the former made me one. And the latter inspired me years after it was released. You just need one great experience that shows what gaming can offer you.

hakanakumono

Well, I had my aunt and cousins who played video games whenever I went to visit my family for holidays that inspired me to get an N64 (despite them having playstation - which I should have bought). But it wasn't that upbringing that got me into videogames, it was that one game that everyone was talking about - Final Fantasy. In this case, IX had just come out but at the same time VII was relatively new on the PC so I tried it and it blew me away.

Gamer's dont' need an "introductory course" they just need really big hardcore titles. Sometimes it inspires people to want more, sometimes it doesn't.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="Tylendal"] Hmm? What do you mean by that?Tylendal

You're talking about "bridge" titles as if getting people to become gamers or to touch hardcore games is a delicate science. It's really not. Definitive hardcore games like Final Fantasy VII and Resident Evil 2 have made casuals into hardcore gamers. I know the former made me one. And the latter inspired me years after it was released. You just need one great experience that shows what gaming can offer you.

Yes, for some.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="kansasdude2009"] See, that's not what you said earlier... who is being tricked? Anyway, I generally agree. The first game I played and beat was Prince of Persia on my dad's Apple II. I was really young and it took me months, but I beat it. The thing is though, my dad got me into the gaming world because he was a big arcade gamer in his college days. Not many people are that fortunate, and research has shown (mostly in japan) that the gaming crowd is shrinking. This is what Nintendo is addressing... the people who NEED introductory courses into videogames: The one's not lucky enough to have great dads who sit down with their kids and just play games WITH them. kansasdude2009

Well, I had my aunt and cousins who played video games whenever I went to visit my family for holidays that inspired me to get an N64 (despite them having playstation - which I should have bought). But it wasn't that upbringing that got me into videogames, it was that one game that everyone was talking about - Final Fantasy. In this case, IX had just come out but at the same time VII was relatively new on the PC so I tried it and it blew me away.

Gamer's dont' need an "introductory course" they just need really big hardcore titles. Sometimes it inspires people to want more, sometimes it doesn't.

Not really. Hardcore games aren't really that intimidating. It's not literature. There's no vocabulary you need to play them.

And here I thought this was going to be a thread about Nintendo luring Sony and Microsoft into their way of thinking.

Here's my take on Nintendo's trap:

Step 1 - Come into next generation with inferior handware

Step 2 - Come up with a unique idea to draw in anyone and everyone to your console

Step 3 - Capitalize on this new audience with shovelware and support the casual gamer

Step 4 - Make hordes of cash from above steps right out of the gate while other 2 struggle to make a profit

Step 5 - Seem to support your current console and show plans to carry on this idea to future consoles

Step 6 - Sony and Microsoft move in on Nintendo's new audience with their own motion controller

Step 7 - Nintendo out does them this generation with motion controllers, Sony and Microsoft vow to return next generation with consoles built around motion control

Step 8 - Next generation rolls around, Sony and Microsoft barely update their hardware while focusing on motion controls.

Step 9 - Nintendo comes out of left field abandoning motion control and has a power house of a console, using Topic Creators idea all of the "casual gamers" are now hooked on Nintendo's games and don't look twice at Sony or Microsoft while becoming Hardcore gamers themselves overnight.

Step 10 - Continue to make hordes of cash while Sony and Microsoft sit there wondering what went wrong as Kratos and Friends Party Bash!! 3 and Halo: Kart Racing Evolved launch to sub par sales and lackluster reviews.

Step 11 - Nintendo effectively buys majority stake in every company on the face of the Earth and after Miyamoto, Iwata, and Reggie take political control of the 3 biggest countries in the world they rename Earth to Nintendo.

Step 12 - Make more money and buy Mars

Zelda a hardcore game? that's debatable. LeGoofyGoober

Zelda a hardcore game? that's debatable. LeGoofyGoober

And here I thought this was going to be a thread about Nintendo luring Sony and Microsoft into their way of thinking.

Here's my take on Nintendo's trap:

Step 1 - Come into next generation with inferior handware

Step 2 - Come up with a unique idea to draw in anyone and everyone to your console

Step 3 - Capitalize on this new audience with shovelware and support the casual gamer

Step 4 - Make hordes of cash from above steps right out of the gate while other 2 struggle to make a profit

Step 5 - Seem to support your current console and show plans to carry on this idea to future consoles

Step 6 - Sony and Microsoft move in on Nintendo's new audience with their own motion controller

Step 7 - Nintendo out does them this generation with motion controllers, Sony and Microsoft vow to return next generation with consoles built around motion control

Step 8 - Next generation rolls around, Sony and Microsoft barely update their hardware while focusing on motion controls.

Step 9 - Nintendo comes out of left field abandoning motion control and has a power house of a console, using Topic Creators idea all of the "casual gamers" are now hooked on Nintendo's games and don't look twice at Sony or Microsoft while becoming Hardcore gamers themselves overnight.

Step 10 - Continue to make hordes of cash while Sony and Microsoft sit there wondering what went wrong as Kratos and Friends Party Bash!! 3 and Halo: Kart Racing Evolved launch to sub par sales and lackluster reviews.

Step 11 - Nintendo effectively buys majority stake in every company on the face of the Earth and after Miyamoto, Iwata, and Reggie take political control of the 3 biggest countries in the world they rename Earth to Nintendo.

Step 12 - Make more money and buy Mars

kejigoto

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

You're talking about "bridge" titles as if getting people to become gamers or to touch hardcore games is a delicate science. It's really not. Definitive hardcore games like Final Fantasy VII and Resident Evil 2 have made casuals into hardcore gamers. I know the former made me one. And the latter inspired me years after it was released. You just need one great experience that shows what gaming can offer you.

hakanakumono

Yes, for some.