Nintendo lives off fads

Look at hte Wii U attachment rate vs other systems. Despite having fewer games. The attachment rate is still higher.

Count the ammount of high scoring first party games between Sony vs Nintendo. Wii U+3DS vs PS4+Vita. Nintendo will come out on top by quite a bit.

Look at hte Wii U attachment rate vs other systems. Despite having fewer games. The attachment rate is still higher.

Count the ammount of high scoring first party games between Sony vs Nintendo. Wii U+3DS vs PS4+Vita. Nintendo will come out on top by quite a bit.

In Sales, Scores, longevity and cultural impact. Nintendo first party titles do well. The only dev whose first party output comes close to Nintendo is Blizzard as far as I am concerned.

They make top quality software, from the beginning it's how they kicked Sega's ass.

Not much changed, their top kek games obliterate the competition.

Only bullshit excuse they can come up with is "console is fad for kiddies", which real gamers don't take seriously.

Don't we all live off fads? Eating and sleeping aren't fads, but driving, using the internet, owning a smart phone, playing video games, going to the movies, drinking alcohol, etc are could all be considered fads?

@Maroxad:"Look at hte Wii U attachment rate vs other systems. Despite having fewer games. The attachment rate is still higher."

Mario doesn't have to compete with 3rd party games. You buy Zelda easily because that will be the only new game untill 6-12 months for something else.

Only the original was impressive. And that goes for all the Mario spinoffs.

This was dealt with a few years ago now. When I see people still think this is a thing, they obviously have no idea what Nintendo are up to, and this is why it's hard to take the rest of your post seriously.

Those are fads?

*high five* That's what i'm talking about!

@iandizion713: @lamprey263: A rise in 3DS games is not an unexpected outcome, it makes sense, Pokemon GO generated popularity and it drew people into getting a 3DS to play Pokemon, but you guys are only looking at 3DS sales, I'm talking from the perspective of software, sure 3DS numbers increased but thats only by people who who were willing to get a 3DS specifically for those games (and I'm just making an assumption here, its not a guarantee that people bought more 3DSs to play Pokemon, who is to say they didn't buy it for other games or by people who buy and re-sell hardware for profit? I have seen plenty of "used" 3DSs going around, who is to say that the increase in 3DS sales is just a mere coincidence? I think for that you would have to look at the sales of Pokemon games, not just the hardware) my point is the potential Pokemon games costumers, I'm saying Nintendo would have sold WAAAAY more Pokemon games had they been available on other platforms, Pokemon X and Y sales were at a total of 15.64 million, with Sun and moon close to 4 million, together thats 20 million, don't know how much of that was contributed by Pokemon GO because the actual numbers would be even less, but for the fun of it lets just assume Pokemon GO generated all 20 million sales, Pokemon GO had a total user base of 45 million, thats 20 million potential buyers gone because of console exclusivity (Again, this is solely based on the assumption 20 million games were sold because of Pokemon GO, actual numbers would be significantly lower than that, potential consumer loss would realistically be around 30 million). The extra sold 3DS hardware is unfortunately just another fad and from a grand perspective worked out OK for Nintendo, but its not gonna work again.......hehe, its actually funny, I was going to say "this is not a safe and stable way of conducting business", but then again Nintendo has been so damn lucky with the Wii and Pokemon GO I'm starting to think that maybe they are geniuses? their practices is the living incarnation of the saying "Fortune favors the bold", anyway to sum it up:

Nintendo can sell hardware and live off of that, using hype to their advantage, or they can make their games available on more popular platform and gain even more profit from software sales, their first party games are unmatched in terms of quality, had hardware not be a barrier their software sales would be exponential, it would annihilated the likes of COD or other mainstream games with high sales.

@Dark_sageX: Nintendo stated Pokemon GO increased sales of all available Pokemon games by a bunch. And of course Pokemon would sell more if it was a multiplat, its the top selling games in the whole gaming industry and is only available on one device. But Nintendo dont care about short term profits, they are in it for the long run. And the best way to stay around for a long time is exclusives.

Mobile sales will only continue to increase Nintendo's numbers. Its great advertising. It also helps in more than just games. Nintendo has seen an increase in every single department due to brand awareness. They are selling merchandise like crazy. Nintendo was already a super rich and smart business company before going mobile. Theyre about to destroy the world now.

I hope you do realize that Smash 4 is the best selling fighting game this generation when you take both the 3DS and Wii U versions into account.

In other words, Smash Wii U likely had less of an impact in terms of sales due to a cheaper 3DS version coming out a month eariler.

Most people opted for the cheaper option and ignored the Wii U version. But here's the funny thing. Smash Bros for the Wii U still outsold Street Fighter V despite being on less popular hardware.

Also, and other member are free to correct me, but I think Smash Bros for the Wii U is the second best selling fighting game on home consoles this generation only behind Mortal Kombat X.

And if we combine both versions, no other fighting game comes close.

Your "logic" makes no sense. Attachment rates = Total games sold/Consoles Sold. The more good games there are that people want to buy, tend to you know... increase the former variable. The fact that Nintendo doesnt really need 3rd party titles, to still have a Wii U have a higher attachment rates than the other consoles says a lot about how strong the Nintendo's titles are.

Poor games is usually correlated with low attachment rates. If there are few games, people dont buy them. People buy good games. And the New Zelda looks amazing for that matter. There is a reason it got so much hype this E3.

And lol?

The original was the least impressive of the smash games. The sequel, Melee despite being over a decade old (15 years in fact), is still played and discussed today.

@brah4ever said:

@drummerdave9099 said:

Don't we all live off fads? Eating and sleeping aren't fads, but driving, using the internet, owning a smart phone, playing video games, going to the movies, drinking alcohol, etc are could all be considered fads?

Those are fads?

At some point they were

Mario is a fad for 30 years.

Good one OP.

Switch will do better than the Wii U, but it won't be a massive hit.

Nintendo has been a trend-setter in the industry for three decades now. Everyone copies THEM. If they are the one's "living off fads" then what is the rest of the industry doing?

Not at all. They've hopelessly struggled to keep up with everybody else for years at this point.

So bashing Nintendo is all you do? Cool, then I don't have to click your threads anymore and spare me the stupid.

@doubutsuteki:

I don't think that's the case in every aspect. They started the trend of motion controls, for example.

They are also still the most successful in dedicated portable gaming.

Sega was arguably the better first-party developer back then. Nintendo's advantage came from its stronger Japanese third-party support.

Loving all these butthurt cows who can't cope with Mario Runs success.
Delicious. <3

@Jag85:

Oof. Dunno about that one. Definitely debatable.

I always preferred Nintendo's first party to Sega's.

I would agree with that when it comes to 8 bit. Aside from Mario 3, Sega matched (outright cloned) titles while providing it's own library of games. Many of them significantly better looking thanks to more powerful hardware.

Third party was important though, and it particularly effected the Game Gear. When stacked up against the Gameboys library and much cheaper price tag, it's offering was anemic. Many of it's titles, rather than it's own fully built game (e.g. G.G. Shinobi) were simply Master System ports.

Master System itself had consistency issues, while titles like Alex The Kidd, Shinobi and Sonic were generally great, each iterations quality varied from excellent to outright mediocre. Whereas Nintendo was more consistent even when it tried something radically different, such as Zelda II or Mario 2 - Doki Doki.

Having said that..

Master Of Darkness > Castlevania

Alex The Kidd In Heroin World > Mario

G.G Shinobi I/II >Metroid I/II

Golden Axe Warrior > Zelda

Phantasy Star > Final Fantasy

Streets Of Rage > Battletoads

Columns > Tetris

Also other obnoxious comments.

I thought not consoles lives matters now. :D

Nintendo is one of few game developers in the world where you can buy their games without knowing much about them.

Because you know that you will be guaranteed quality.

I was thinking of the Master System as well. Despite the lack of third-party support, Sega produced a strong first-party library that was able to rival Nintendo's first-party and third-party combined.

Sega and Nintendo borrowed from each other. For example, plenty of Nintendo games borrowed heavily from Sega arcade games, and the Final Fantasy series (although third-party) borrowed heavily from the Phantasy Star series.

...And, uh, Alex The Kidd In Heroin World?

All the people acting as if Nintendo's first party IS STILL amazing need to wake up...

You get...

• ONE Zelda per generation
• You get a Mario game that peaked 2 gens ago with Galaxy
• You get a Mario Kart
• You get a Super Smash

Wii U aside from having Mario Maker has almost nothing... Its why it sold so poor.

I am getting the Nintendo Shield day because I can afford to and I actually like the look of the New Zelda game... But honestly the console is severely under powered yet again and will undoubtedly have nothing for many years after Zelda is out worth playing.

...Splatoon.

It seems that releasing games without massive 10GB day one patches to get them in a playable state has become a fad indeed.

Good to see Nintendo living off fads.

In what regard? Commercially? I never said otherwise.

Yet how quick was Sony to release Move after the success of the Wii? Or Microsoft with Kinect? Setting trends doesn't necessarily have to do with commercial success. The Wavebird popularized wireless gampads for instance.

Wish I could live off fads...

And Xenoblade

Not to mention Galaxy was last gen

There is one major flaw in your logic. The 3DS is still the top selling system this generation, and Pokemon Go only helped drive people to the platform to buy the games. Pokemon Sun and Moon have annihilated the likes of COD, Battlefield, Final Fantasy, and pretty much any other game you wish to bring up.

Pokemon Sun and Moon are the best selling games of 2016. In a holiday season that was loaded with AAA games, Pokemon Sun and Moon managed to outsell Call of Duty Infinite Warfare, Battlefield 1, Titanfall 2, Skyrim Remastered, Final Fantasy XV, Gears of War 4, and other major titles.

I don't honestly see how they would have gotten any more sales on other platforms at this point. To be honest, I would not be shocked if the 3DS is the top selling system this year or at least through the holiday season.

But again, why should they put their games anywhere else when they already have the most popular system this generation?

This is a good post, but there's a lot you have wrong

• The Nintendo 3DS is still the highest selling platform of this generation
• Pokemon Sun/Moon saw shipments of 10 million before launch, with worldwide sales currently at 7.8 million (I have no clue where you get your 4 million figure from). It is the highest selling game of this year, selling more than Battlefield 1, Call of Duty: Infinite Warfare, Watch Dogs 2, Dishonored 2, Skyrim, Titanfall 2, DOOM, Uncharted 4, Forza Horizon 3, Gears of War 4, and whatever other game you want to name. So Pokemon already 'annihilated' any mainstream game you want to name. It is also the most pre-ordered game at GameStop for the last several years.
• You know why Pokemon Sun/Moon sold as much as it did? In part because of Pokemon GO, which basically served as a giant banner advertisement for the main games, which are on 3DS, which also saw sales go up thanks to Pokemon GO
• The point about used 3DS sales and spiked 3DS sales being a 'fad' might have held some merit had the 3DS attach rate not held steady, and indeed, gone up, consistently over the platform's life
• You forgot Pokemon OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire in your calculations (minor point, but might as well bring it up)
• Pokemon GO has so far generated $600 million in revenues, split across Apple, Google, Niantic, The Pokemon Company (which means further splits with Creatures and Game Freak), and Nintendo. For comparison, sales of Pokemon X/Y alone generated $625.6 million- Nintendo were able to exceed the revenue of what is the most popular mobile game of all time with one of the lowest selling Pokemon games of all time on their lowest selling handheld of all time- and in this case, the revenue didn't have to go to Apple or Google, a portion of it went entirely to Nintendo, as a matter of fact (from digital sales), and Nintendo also generated revenue due to associated 3DS sales spiking. That's before we take the 12.8 million copies of OmegaRuby/AlphaSapphire, or the 10 million copies of Pokemon, into question. And that's just Pokemon! New Super Mario Bros. U is the lowest selling Mario game, on the lowest selling Nintendo console of all time. It has generated $327 million in revenue so far- to achieve that kind of revenue, Super Mario Run would need to be bought (not downloaded) 32 million times, which is over three times the current number of free users the game has. So no, the question of third party Nintendo is not as simple as many like to think it is.

That's years ago, like I said.

But that has no bearing on their future. The Wii U failed because of a lack of advertising, shitty naming conventions (nobody knew it was a new console) and a poor schedule for game releases at launch (they should have not given third parties so much leeway for their releases and put out 1-2 solid first party games with it).

It was a technically sound machine that would have run any and all third party game released on the PS4/XBO (not as well of course, but it would have had a version), but since it wasn't given a chance by any third party, they never bothered to try.

The Wii U was incredibly mishandled, and since Iwata's passing, Nintendo has been completely revamping their advertising and market strategy.

Pokemon GO and Mario Run are already making waves with the casual audience again, and if they generate enough interest in Nintendo products, selling a new, cheap home console that runs Nintendo products will be an easy sell.

it's 2016 and people are still insisting that pokemon is a fad

I would also dare say that the 3DS played a role in the Wii U's failure in the marketplace. For a much lower price, you could pick up a 2DS and play all of the major Nintendo franchises you wanted to.

The 3DS got Mario Kart, a 3D Mario, Smash Bros, 2D Mario, Zelda, Yoshi, Xenoblade, the list goes on and on.

And that's not even counting the Nintendo franchises that did not appear on the Wii U at all such as Fire Emblem, the Main series Pokemon games, the classic side scrolling Kirby games, Fossil Fighters, Metroid, etc....

Plus, the 3DS enjoyed something the Wii U never got, and that is solid third-party support. From day one, the 3DS enjoyed good third-party support and played host to classic franchises like Monster Hunter, Dragon Quest, Persona, Shin Megami Tensei, and newer franchises like Youkai Watch and Bravery Default.

Of course, that's also not including the fact that some Wii U titles got ported to the 3DS, including Super Mario Maker, Hyrule Legends, NES Remix, and in the coming year Yoshi's Wooly World.

So, outside of Splatoon, what does the Wii U really have to offer besides some other exclusive games like 3D World, Mario Kart 8, and the HD Zelda remakes?

I agree with all the other points that have been brought up. But here's the thing. If a gamer is in the market for a Nintendo system this generation they have two choices. One is the Wii U that has a smaller selection of games and is missing some of their favorite Nintendo franchises and the other is the 3DS, which offers a much larger selection of games and is much cheaper to boot(79.99 for a 2DS starting this year) then a Wii U.

What are people going to buy if they want to play Nintendo games? What did not help the Wii U was the fact that the barrier between their handheld and home console offerings was shattered this generation. In the past, there was always a clear difference between Nintendo's home consoles and handhelds in terms of the games offered, much of which was caused by a power gap.

The 3DS is powerful enough to offer Gamecube/Wii level games and it broke down the barrier. We finally got a Nintendo handheld that could run Smash Bros(which had more content then Brawl), had a Mario Kart game that was par with the Gamecube and Wii ones, a proper 3D Mario game built from the ground up, Fire Emblem games that matched the offerings of the Radiance games in terms of presentation, and 3D Pokemon games on the go.

The bitter irony is that least powerful system this generation was still strong enough to handle proper versions of Nintendo's IPs and with it, made the Wii U's games stand out less.

And with all the other issues the Wii U had, caused people to either ignore Nintendo this generation or caused them the go pick up a cheaper 3DS that had better support and more games over a Wii U.

You chicken shit.

You deliberately didnt answer his question, because you couldn't. So you demanded he listed his. Then when he did....you still didn't answer the question, you just used his answer to insult him in a stock answer of predictably lame proportions.

Answer. From wii 2012, what "awesome" franchises are you talking about?

Cosign, that was pretty lame.

He doesn't know.

@brah4ever: Splatoon is awesome, deal with it. Atleast Nintendo isnt like Resident Evil, their last good game was on Gamecube. Ooooooo!

Yup the Wii is a fad otherwise sales would translate into current gen. They should be at 70 million sold by now , The Wii U had a year head start.

Nintendo bashing is justified they screw us every generation. People are tired of their BS. The Switch is supposedly a next gen console but it's weaker than Xbox One.

Wii won because of it's strong marketing and message. Wii U flopped because hit had weak marketing and message. Just because it had a year head start doesn't mean squat, what mattered is Nintendo's message with the Wii U is weak as people thought that it was just an add-on for the Wii.

Who did Nintendo screwed every generation? The Hardcore gamer? LOL! Hardcore gamers are not entitled to the gaming market.

Smash

Splatoon

Super Mario 3D World

Tokyo Mirage Sessions

Xenoblade Chronicles X

Mario Kart 8

Bayonetta 2

The Wonderful 101

Lego City Undercover

And that's just the Wii U. The 3DS absolutely clowns consoles in terms of everything.

Sorry if I don't post here 24/7 and hit refresh every two minutes.

I have serious doubts as to whether any kind of marketing would have been able to make the Wii U a more appealing machine. It was already priced way too highly, poorly designed - and underpowered - as well as lauching in a new landscape of platforms where mobile devices have taken over the market. That's why Nintendo have started to release games for the mobile market.

@doubutsuteki: Thats not why, let me school yo arse. Nintendo started to go mobile because a wise man once said...before, when a child first played a game, they played a gaming console. Now the first device they play is their parents phone.

That wise man was right. If we dont get back the kids...gaming on consoles will die. Look at Sony, PS2 then downhill to PS3, then downhill to PS4. They arent growing. Console gaming isnt growing, its shrinking.

AAA gaming is shrinking. Look around you. We have less AAA games than last gen and yet theyre still flopping in sales. We have to save this industry. Godspeed Nintendo, godspeed.

That obviously contradicts what I said.

This time Nintendo is late to "gaming on a tablet fad". The Nintendo Switch is what Nintendo should have released back in 2012. The Wii U thought having a tablet shaped controller was good enough. Even Nintendo themselves could not really figure out how to use the Wii U's gimmick controller and the tablet controller proved useless.

So once again Nintendo has another underpowered console. Third party developers will quickly abandon Nintendo again.