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#51 Lord_Omikron666
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You're an idiot

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#54 LJS9502_basic
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Silly argument. If Nintendo wants to use their resources to make consoles...it doesn't affect you. Honestly if money is not a problem then I think gamers should always have the Nintendo console as a companion to their other gaming device simply for the first party games. They do tend to cost less to purchase. And they come down in price.

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wasnt only that ff7 was better suited to disc it was more the fact that nintendo were horrible to 3rd partys in the past with extortiante fees if they wanted to publish on a nintendo system etc

3rd partys saw sega failing and nintendo werre sticking to their extortion on fees so they all jumped to sony who gave them a big break :)

nintendo used to be really big pricks to devs and publishers in the nes and snes era and that bit them in the ass when they all jumped to the new guy :)

It was the disc vs cartridge that caused the rift. Nintendo was restrictive during the NES era....yes. But not so much after.

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  1. Crisis 3: We were very close to launching it. But there was a lack of business support between Nintendo and EA on that. Since we as a company couldn’t launch on the Wii U ourselves--we don’t have a publishing license--Crysis 3 on Wii U had to die."
  2. Metro Last Light: "Our look at the Wii U extended to a very early look at some very early kits. We… we did some work on it, but we made a decision fairly early on that we weren’t going to commit further resource to it," Benyon said. "So yeah, we didn’t go too far."
  3. Tomb Raider: "All three ,other console and PC versions, are really trying to deliver roughly the same experience, but delivered best on each platform, and I think something like the Wii U often asks you to do something unique based on a unique interface," Hughes added. "That's something as a gamer I love, but it's something you don't want to do half-heartedly as a developer."
  4. Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2: "The reason why we are developing it on PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 is simply because that's the amount of people we got," Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 producer David Cox says of development on the upcoming sequel. "If we want to do a Wii U conversion, that's another 20 people. We just don't have the resources or the budget to do it."
  5. Dead Space 3: "No Plans"
  6. Metal Gear Rising: "'Konami' would have to see demand for WiiU and bring 'Platinum' the request to port."
  7. Saints Row IV: The new game will arrive in North America and Europe on 20th and 23rd August 2013 respectively for all "current-gen consoles". Based on that it appears it will be made available on Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and PC. It has been confirmed that "current-gen" does not include the Wii U.
  8. GTAV: “The only versions of the game that we have announced are for the Xbox 360 and PlayStation®3 which are set for a September 17th worldwide release. We don’t have anything to share about the possibility of a next-gen or a PC platform release at this time and we are completely focused on delivering the best possible experience for the consoles people have right now.”
  9. Battlefield 4: "I'd rather play it safe, deliver something really good and then look at the future and what could possibly be done than trying a bit too hard and failing."
  10. Dark Souls 2: “Wii U never came up, and we never doubted that (decision) either,” he says. “It was more of a company decision, so I wasn’t the one that decided this, but I think the audience for the Wii U is a lot different from the audience for Dark Souls.”
  11. Bethesda: Wii U is "not on our radar" for the near term."
  12. Bioshock Infinite: "nothing is brewing right now."
  13. Resident Evil 6: "Unfortunately, [Resident Evil 6] will not be available at this time on the Wii U," producer Hiroyuki Kobayashi said. "Right now we're concentrating on the PlayStation 3 version, 360 version, and the PC version of the game."
  14. Capcom: "We're Focusing on New Titles for WiiU, Not Ports."
  15. Ultra Street Fighter IV: "No Plans"
  16. Borderlands 2: “We get asked if there is going to be a Wii U version of Borderlands, and the reason why there's not is because we couldn't think of a natural, obvious, 'OMG, I want that for what the Wii U brings to the table' feature,” he said.
  17. Far Cry 3: "We will not be releasing Far Cry 3 on Wii U," reads a line from the statement. "The game has been in development for more than two years and at the time Wii U had not been considered."

and Now read some of the comments.

It's clear, it's cut, and it's clean.

Gamers and Developers just don't care about Nintendo. At all. Ever.

Nintendo gets a 3rd party game and Gamers go freakin' Ballistic.

  1. Bayonetta 2: These "Fans" Aren't Happy About Bayonetta 2
  2. Tatsunoko vs Capcom: I can't find a good source for all the Port Begging for this game, but there's this.
  3. Monster Hunter: I don't really have to link something to know a lot of you constantly begged Capcom to bring the franchise to Vita and PS3. But Here's a Gamespot article. read the comments

That's just a portion of some of the port begging gamers do when Nintendo gets a 3rd Party game and it's exclusive.

I believe some things were said when Viewtiful Joe and Resident Evil 4 were exclusive.

Gamers DON'T want Nintendo to have 3rd Party at all, and the majority of Developers don't want to support Nintendo at all. They don't give out the resources to bring games to WiiU, They don't bother supporting their titles that happen to be on the WiiU, to name a few,

  1. Mass Effect 3: No DLC except what's on the disc
  2. Call of Duty: Black OPs 2 no Extra Maps
  3. Sniper Elite V2: No Multiplayer or DLC
  4. Injustice Gods Among Us: Not all the DLC is on WiiU and Online Features Missing.

and that's just shavings of the support Nintendo is receiving from 3rd Parties. The Only Legitimate MAJOR 3rd Party Supporter that is giving WiiU worth any dime is Ubisoft.

They gave WiiU Assassin's Creed DLC, They gave WiiU Exclusive Rayman demos, They gave WiiU Splinter Cell, albeit no Offline Multiplayer, but Multiplayer was not excluded, and they're giving WiiU Watchdogs. They're giving WiiU a chance and although it's probably because of the differences in scale of Audience in all consoles the fruits of their labor in supporting WiiU has seen "success", in Rayman Legends with the WiiU version selling much more than what it did on PS3 and 360 (not a big victory as it still flopped), but still...the point is that even though many developers see WiiU a Failure Ubisoft still gives out.

But hey lets all blame Nintendo here. After all it's all "their" fault that 3rd Party Games don't sell on WiiU despite many of the reasons Nintendo 3rd Party games don't sell on WiiU is because They're Gimped Versions of the Game! or That there's no real support for the Game on the System! or the Game simply isn't there!

And it's because of this that many Gamers AVOID 3rd party titles on WiiU. Need for Speed Most Wanted on WiiU is said to be an AWESOME version of the title and it didn't get much sales and it's probably because a lot of 3rd Party games get gimped on Nintendo, so some Nintendo Veterans are skeptical about the game and probably because of Audience. The game came out a few months late and thanks to 3rd Parties not supporting past Nintendo Systems, Most Nintendo Fans probably have another System to buy 3rd party games that are not available on Nintendo systems and it's because of that 3rd Parties seem to think it would be a waste to support a Nintendo system since Nintendo fans have other Systems to get the games.

But what if WiiU did have those games? What if Call of Duty had the DLC maps on WiiU? What if instead of just Mass Effect 3, WiiU got ALL 3 Mass Effect games with DLC? What if WiiU did get Tomb Raider? What if WiiU got Crisis 3? What if 3rd Party Developers started supporting WiiU?

If 3rd Party want to get more Sales off of the Nintendo font of Gaming they're going to have to show their stuff and get games to WiiU and build that library, Just how did Xbox, a relatively new brand, take off anyway? How did Sony take off back in 1995? 3rd Parties showed their Support and the Gamers followed.

Of course Gamers would have to play their part too, but it has to be collaborative of Gamers and 3rd Party to get WiiU and future Nintendo Products off the Ground and start getting Software.

3DS is a Weaker platform than Vita yet it's getting the better support, why? Because Gamers and 3rd Party are supporting 3DS. Gamers and 3rd Party are not Supporting WiiU, there for, it's failing.

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#56  Edited By dogfather76
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If you think that the SNES was the last good library they had, you are a moron.

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#57  Edited By nintendoboy16
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@LegatoSkyheart said:
  1. Crisis 3: We were very close to launching it. But there was a lack of business support between Nintendo and EA on that. Since we as a company couldn’t launch on the Wii U ourselves--we don’t have a publishing license--Crysis 3 on Wii U had to die."
  2. Metro Last Light: "Our look at the Wii U extended to a very early look at some very early kits. We… we did some work on it, but we made a decision fairly early on that we weren’t going to commit further resource to it," Benyon said. "So yeah, we didn’t go too far."
  3. Tomb Raider: "All three ,other console and PC versions, are really trying to deliver roughly the same experience, but delivered best on each platform, and I think something like the Wii U often asks you to do something unique based on a unique interface," Hughes added. "That's something as a gamer I love, but it's something you don't want to do half-heartedly as a developer."
  4. Castlevania Lords of Shadow 2: "The reason why we are developing it on PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 is simply because that's the amount of people we got," Castlevania: Lords of Shadow 2 producer David Cox says of development on the upcoming sequel. "If we want to do a Wii U conversion, that's another 20 people. We just don't have the resources or the budget to do it."
  5. Dead Space 3: "No Plans"
  6. Metal Gear Rising: "'Konami' would have to see demand for WiiU and bring 'Platinum' the request to port."
  7. Saints Row IV: The new game will arrive in North America and Europe on 20th and 23rd August 2013 respectively for all "current-gen consoles". Based on that it appears it will be made available on Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and PC. It has been confirmed that "current-gen" does not include the Wii U.
  8. GTAV: “The only versions of the game that we have announced are for the Xbox 360 and PlayStation®3 which are set for a September 17th worldwide release. We don’t have anything to share about the possibility of a next-gen or a PC platform release at this time and we are completely focused on delivering the best possible experience for the consoles people have right now.”
  9. Battlefield 4: "I'd rather play it safe, deliver something really good and then look at the future and what could possibly be done than trying a bit too hard and failing."
  10. Dark Souls 2: “Wii U never came up, and we never doubted that (decision) either,” he says. “It was more of a company decision, so I wasn’t the one that decided this, but I think the audience for the Wii U is a lot different from the audience for Dark Souls.”
  11. Bethesda: Wii U is "not on our radar" for the near term."
  12. Bioshock Infinite: "nothing is brewing right now."
  13. Resident Evil 6: "Unfortunately, [Resident Evil 6] will not be available at this time on the Wii U," producer Hiroyuki Kobayashi said. "Right now we're concentrating on the PlayStation 3 version, 360 version, and the PC version of the game."
  14. Capcom: "We're Focusing on New Titles for WiiU, Not Ports."
  15. Ultra Street Fighter IV: "No Plans"
  16. Borderlands 2: “We get asked if there is going to be a Wii U version of Borderlands, and the reason why there's not is because we couldn't think of a natural, obvious, 'OMG, I want that for what the Wii U brings to the table' feature,” he said.
  17. Far Cry 3: "We will not be releasing Far Cry 3 on Wii U," reads a line from the statement. "The game has been in development for more than two years and at the time Wii U had not been considered."

and Now read some of the comments.

It's clear, it's cut, and it's clean.

Gamers and Developers just don't care about Nintendo. At all. Ever.

Nintendo gets a 3rd party game and Gamers go freakin' Ballistic.

  1. Bayonetta 2: These "Fans" Aren't Happy About Bayonetta 2
  2. Tatsunoko vs Capcom: I can't find a good source for all the Port Begging for this game, but there's this.
  3. Monster Hunter: I don't really have to link something to know a lot of you constantly begged Capcom to bring the franchise to Vita and PS3. But Here's a Gamespot article. read the comments

That's just a portion of some of the port begging gamers do when Nintendo gets a 3rd Party game and it's exclusive.

I believe some things were said when Viewtiful Joe and Resident Evil 4 were exclusive.

Gamers DON'T want Nintendo to have 3rd Party at all, and the majority of Developers don't want to support Nintendo at all. They don't give out the resources to bring games to WiiU, They don't bother supporting their titles that happen to be on the WiiU, to name a few,

  1. Mass Effect 3: No DLC except what's on the disc
  2. Call of Duty: Black OPs 2 no Extra Maps
  3. Sniper Elite V2: No Multiplayer or DLC
  4. Injustice Gods Among Us: Not all the DLC is on WiiU and Online Features Missing.

and that's just shavings of the support Nintendo is receiving from 3rd Parties. The Only Legitimate MAJOR 3rd Party Supporter that is giving WiiU worth any dime is Ubisoft.

They gave WiiU Assassin's Creed DLC, They gave WiiU Exclusive Rayman demos, They gave WiiU Splinter Cell, albeit no Offline Multiplayer, but Multiplayer was not excluded, and they're giving WiiU Watchdogs. They're giving WiiU a chance and although it's probably because of the differences in scale of Audience in all consoles the fruits of their labor in supporting WiiU has seen "success", in Rayman Legends with the WiiU version selling much more than what it did on PS3 and 360 (not a big victory as it still flopped), but still...the point is that even though many developers see WiiU a Failure Ubisoft still gives out.

But hey lets all blame Nintendo here. After all it's all "their" fault that 3rd Party Games don't sell on WiiU despite many of the reasons Nintendo 3rd Party games don't sell on WiiU is because They're Gimped Versions of the Game! or That there's no real support for the Game on the System! or the Game simply isn't there!

And it's because of this that many Gamers AVOID 3rd party titles on WiiU. Need for Speed Most Wanted on WiiU is said to be an AWESOME version of the title and it didn't get much sales and it's probably because a lot of 3rd Party games get gimped on Nintendo, so some Nintendo Veterans are skeptical about the game and probably because of Audience. The game came out a few months late and thanks to 3rd Parties not supporting past Nintendo Systems, Most Nintendo Fans probably have another System to buy 3rd party games that are not available on Nintendo systems and it's because of that 3rd Parties seem to think it would be a waste to support a Nintendo system since Nintendo fans have other Systems to get the games.

But what if WiiU did have those games? What if Call of Duty had the DLC maps on WiiU? What if instead of just Mass Effect 3, WiiU got ALL 3 Mass Effect games with DLC? What if WiiU did get Tomb Raider? What if WiiU got Crisis 3? What if 3rd Party Developers started supporting WiiU?

If 3rd Party want to get more Sales off of the Nintendo font of Gaming they're going to have to show their stuff and get games to WiiU and build that library, Just how did Xbox, a relatively new brand, take off anyway? How did Sony take off back in 1995? 3rd Parties showed their Support and the Gamers followed.

Of course Gamers would have to play their part too, but it has to be collaborative of Gamers and 3rd Party to get WiiU and future Nintendo Products off the Ground and start getting Software.

3DS is a Weaker platform than Vita yet it's getting the better support, why? Because Gamers and 3rd Party are supporting 3DS. Gamers and 3rd Party are not Supporting WiiU, there for, it's failing.

Good luck trying to convince people here on that post, especially those bolded parts. I have a hard time, especially with loco, Sanchez, emg, and g0ddy.

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#59  Edited By AtariKidX
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I agree.........nintendo sucks.

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#60  Edited By dobzilian
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Sony should stop releasing Consoles as tbey all die after 3 months of usage. Poor hardware.

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#61  Edited By Puckhog04
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Correction: Next time around, Nintendo needs to make a more competitive Console when it comes to power to it's counterparts.

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#62  Edited By crimsonman1245
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@Puckhog04 said:

Correction: Next time around, Nintendo needs to make a more competitive Console when it comes to power to it's counterparts.

No, trying to make a Playstation or Xbox clone is the worst thing that they could do, it's expensive and it doesn't play to their strengths.

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@DarthaPerkinjan said:

@dotWithShoes said:

@DarthaPerkinjan said:

@nintendoboy16 said:

Contradict yourself anymore?

Doesnt matter how many sequels came out most of those titles were new IPs that started on the PS1. Tomb Raider, Twisted Metal, Need for Speed, Gran Turismo, Parasite Eve, Tekken, etc etc, all got their start on PS1.

It was the PS1's amazing success that paved the way for the PS2 to sell 150 million consoles.

Need for Speed actually started on the 3DO, then ported over to DOS, Saturn and PS1. Tomb Raider was also multiplatform appearing on DOS, and Saturn along with PS1. Tekken was an arcade game first. Final Fantasy and Metal Gear, well, everyone knows where the started and it's not a Sony system.

Yes Metal Gear and Final Fantasy left Nintendo because of how bad the N64 was.

The N64 was actually their first attempt at a wonky controller

Nintendo has never fully recovered from the N64 screwup and probably never will unless they hire a Mark Cerny to save them.

This post must be a joke. FF and MGS were developed for the PS1 because of the limitations of the cartridges for the N64 it had nothing to do with the console itself. The "wonky" controller you speak of was revolutionary and essential to the gameplay experiences on the N64. There is a reason that shortly after the N64's release Sony redesigned it's controller to include analog sticks. And I'm not sure what Nintendo needs to recover from considering they sold close to 100M Wii consoles last-gen and the 3DS is dominating.

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#64  Edited By Puckhog04
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@crimsonman1245 said:

@Puckhog04 said:

Correction: Next time around, Nintendo needs to make a more competitive Console when it comes to power to it's counterparts.

No, trying to make a Playstation or Xbox clone is the worst thing that they could do, it's expensive and it doesn't play to their strengths.

I said "more competitive". Not on par.

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@DarthaPerkinjan:

You're an idiot. No games on N64 other than Super Mario 64. Stopped right there.

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I stopped reading when you said the N64 had nothing other than Super Mario 64.

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@DarthaPerkinjan said:

Nintendo consoles havent had a good game library since the SNES. That was what, 20 years ago?

I remember when our family rented the N64 and PS1. We stopped renting the N64 because outside of Mario 64 it had no games. PS1 had loads of games.

It was the same story with the gamecube. and the Wii. and the Wii U.

Nintendo - just stop. Stop making consoles. Stick to handhelds. Publish your games on the x bone and PS4. They will sell by the truckloads.

Stop with these failed hardware experiments. You lucked out with the gimmick Wii controller, so dont let that fool you. Handhelds are where you excel. Stick with that.

I will accept that I am wrong if anyone could prove the next Nintendo console wont be just another failure in the long line of Nintendo console failures. Sorry, but the Wii was a failure. It had a gimmick controller and sold like crazy to casuals with terrible shovelware titles.

Again, I will accept I am wrong if someone posts some plausible way the next Nintendo console wont AGAIN offer AWFUL 3rd party support, awful online, and limited games. They should just quit now while the bleeding is limited

Nintendo should repackage thier Wii U as laptop like unit and leverage "mobility" bandwagon.

Wii U is too chunky and can be made thinner and smaller aka. the Apple approach i.e. form over function.

Based on history, weaker hardware performance can be exchanged with mobility/smaller/thinner form factors.

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#68 mojito1988
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I am very much read for Nintendo to go 3rd Party. Nintendo game on Steam.....Drooool.

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#69  Edited By sonic_spark
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@ronvalencia:

A winner for the dumbest idea in this thread. On...so...many...levels...

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#70  Edited By super600  Moderator
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@speak_low said:

The few fools asking for shallow trash like Bayo 2 do not represent every Sony and MS fan with good taste.

And even if they are port begging for that rental-worthy garbage, it doesn't mean it's suddenly taken away from Nintendo. A game going multiplat doesn't mean Nintendo no longer gets the game. It's just no longer exclusive.

Sheep guard this game jealously because they need all the exclusives they can get, and then they act like they have a gold mine in their possession.

Sheep do way more port begging of other systems' games because the Wii U is getting cold-shouldered by nearly every developer, and countless top franchises will never, ever be on the Wii U.

And yet hundreds of people are port begging for bayonetta 2 and are still port begging for it.Even the developers are geting tired of the port begging.Some people have even harassed the devs or called for their death.I can afford to buy most of the multiplats now a days since I do have a 360 and I will probably get a Xbox one or PS4 eventually.

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#71  Edited By RVCA823
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You characterize successful Nintendo consoles as failed hardware experiments but provide no evidence to prove it. Don't tell me your evidence is the lack of 3rd party games. Failure in business comes down to losing money, and failure in "hardware innovation" consists of a broad rejection of said innovations from consumers and competitors--and they almost never happen to Nintendo.

Nintendo's innovations in game and hardware design are almost always imitated by their competition.

Sorry you can't play GTA on your GameCube, but you're wrong about everything.

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@charizard1605 said:

N64 had no good games outside of Mario 64?

I stopped reading after that trash

You made it that far? I stopped reading at the part where he said a Nintendo console hasn't had a great library since the SNES.

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@DarkGamer007 said:

@charizard1605 said:

N64 had no good games outside of Mario 64?

I stopped reading after that trash

You made it that far? I stopped reading at the part where he said a Nintendo console hasn't had a great library since the SNES.

Only in some cases, I can see why one would think that as much as I defend post-SNES consoles.

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It's amazing how, just one month after the end of the last generation, in which Nintendo dominated both the console and handheld markets, this is definitely "the end" of them and they will certainly "go out of business". Also they have clearly been fading for 15 years, which is why they ran away with the last console cycle...wait that makes no sense.

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#75  Edited By ronvalencia
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@sonic_spark said:

@ronvalencia:

A winner for the dumbest idea in this thread. On...so...many...levels...

Form factor downsizing with weaker hardware worked with smart phones, tablets and laptops.

In terms of the annual use sales, laptops has exceeded desktops.

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#77  Edited By ronvalencia
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@TrappedInABox91 said:

@ronvalencia: Moron.

Get off the drugs, and take a good dose of Paxil to even out for a while. You're fucked up.

@TrappedinAbox91: Recalcitrant,

Your concession is accepted.