Nintendo refuses to add same-sex relationships to game

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#101 SexyJazzCat
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You know you need to get your priorities straight when start complaining about a Mii game.

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#102 darkhadou
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I don't get it. Should Nintendo be forced to do something they don't want to include in their games? Should McDonalds be forced to add Double Whoppers to their menu? It's their preference. Respect it. If you want a game with same-sex relationships, I bet there are tons of them out there you can buy that would take your mind off the fact Nintendo doesn't make them.

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#103 darkhadou
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@Bigboi500 said:

@GamingGod999 said:

@Sagemode87all it would do is teach kids that same-sex relationships prevail, and are no different/not abnormal to straight couples; including the option wouldn't make your child 'go gay'.

Not including this can be interpreted as some form of social commentary, but hey-ho.

See, that's where things go abnormally wrong with the critical assessments of video games. Critical knit-picks don't exist for movies or books, so why should they for video games?

For example: in Pulp Fiction all kinds of negative stereo typed events take place, yet no one labeled the film as racist, pro narcotics or pro homosexual rape.

Another example: the Bible talks about the killing of infants, skinning people alive, decapitation, plague, pestilence, betrayal, infidelity and so on.

Books and films have extremely controversial content that never gets attacked simply for being portrayed, yet you're making claims that 'not including' something 'can be interpreted as some social commentary', and that's such a vague leap at best. That line of thinking could lead to almost anyone or anything being accused of any imaginary subject matter used to strengthen any view point.

Please elaborate the context in which the Bible speaks on those things?

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#104  Edited By CashinControl
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Nintendo has a problem with everything. I RARELY involve myself with their products anymore. I mean I'm only one person but I stand by my decision.

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#105  Edited By ArisShadows
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Just because a product don't provide that option, it doesn't mean they don't support it or even so against it.

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#106 Bigboi500
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@darkhadou said:

Please elaborate the context in which the Bible speaks on those things?

No.

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#107 NFJSupreme
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why do they have to? I'm all for equal rights but how does not putting same sex relationships in their games violating anyones rights? Shouldn't these people be actually trying to fight for real same sex rights? Seems like such a misguided cause.

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#108 joel_c17
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Nintendo are quickly becoming irrelevant

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#109 deactivated-594be627b82ba
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@SexyJazzCat said:

You know you need to get your priorities straight when start complaining about a Mii game.

Lmao for real

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#110  Edited By darkhadou
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@Bigboi500 said:

@darkhadou said:

Please elaborate the context in which the Bible speaks on those things?

No.

Then please refrain from talking rubbish about things you may not be well versed about. ;)

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#112  Edited By Bigboi500
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@darkhadou said:

@Bigboi500 said:

@darkhadou said:

Please elaborate the context in which the Bible speaks on those things?

No.

Then please refrain from talking rubbish about things you may not be well versed about. ;)

No.

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#113 ButDuuude
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I'm tired of all the over-sensitive political correctness crap. I find political correctness offensive.

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#114 stuff238
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I always assumed mario and luigi were gay. They live in the same house, both have babies and they never get laid by peach/daisy. So I just assumed they did the bromance thing and pooped out a couple egg babies. Makes sense to me.

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#115  Edited By CrownKingArthur
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yeah this is a very real problem and they need to retroactively add gayness to old games immediately.

i think they should start with duke nukem 3d. why do i have to be male? why do the strippers have to be female?

it's ridiculous that an outlandish guy like duke nukem has to be a staunch stoic heterosexual when i've always thought he would make a lot more sense as a very friendly homosexual guy. #BestOnWiiU

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#116 StrongBlackVine
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I don't want turdburglars in my games either.

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#117  Edited By LegatoSkyheart
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Honestly guys, can't you just make a Mii character of yourself except you're the opposite gender?

Dude Face, Girl Body. Girl Face, Dude Body.

Tomodachi Life takes Mii characters you make and puts them in weird situations. Mii Characters regardless of Gender you choose all Facial Features of both Male and Female are present. You can make a Girl look like a Guy, and a Guy look like a Girl. I haven't played Tomodachi Life to know the outfits for each character, but hopefully the Outfits will be flexible like they are in Animal Crossing (a dude in Animal Crossing can wear women's clothing mind you).

So just because Nintendo doesn't support or will even decide to add Same Sex Relationships to Tomodachi Life, You can still make it happen.

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#118  Edited By Spitfire-Six
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Its their game so.... don't like it don't buy it

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#119  Edited By nintendoboy16
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@ArisShadows said:

Just because a product don't provide that option, it doesn't mean they don't support it or even so against it.

Exactly! For f*** sake, they've allowed third party games with same sex relationships on their consoles. The Sims series and Mass Effect 3 being the biggest examples. If they were against it, I think it would have been censored from those games.

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#120  Edited By Xplode_games
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Anyone who thinks this is about equality or fairness fell for it. This is about propaganda. This movement began before most of you were born. This is the gay arm of the feminist movement. Propaganda works, it really does.

Trying to change peoples minds doesn't work. It just makes them stand their ground firmer. Even if they know they are wrong. But propaganda can form the way a person thinks. Especially if they are young.

Why do you think for decades we have had homosexual relationships shoved down our throats in movies and television shows while polygamy is completely ignored as if it does not exist?

If it's about fairness, then why doesn't anyone talk about polygamy? It's a standard practice that is more common and normal than regular marriages in many cultures around the world. But in North America, it is this thing that is simply ignored completely.

Why? Because it's anti women and the feminists which again are responsible for all this outcry about fairness and equality, are offended by the polygamist lifestyle.

As a matter of fact, the only time you ever hear about polygamy is when some religious cult leader is arrested for it because he was "abusing" a bunch of his wives. You see him hauled off to jail as some despicable character, teaching the viewers not directly but by inference that polygamy is wrong.

Where is the hot new prime time comedy series that features a polygamous family showing how normal and funny they are? Nowhere because it's not part of the agenda, it's actually against it. You will never see that.

Where is that hot new prime time comedy featuring the funny adorable homosexual couple that shows how normal they are and how unfair it would be to be intolerant of them? Everywhere, tv can't get enough of it and it's been that way for years.

It's propaganda folks, nothing more nothing less. The only thing Nintendo is guilty of is ignoring the gay arm of the feminist agenda and doing things their way. Of course some brain washed kids who think they're smart because they can repeat what they learned on tv or read about will complain but so what.

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#121  Edited By Sollet
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@xboxdone74 said:

Nintendo isnt obligated to provide anything in their games they dont want to. You have a problem, let your wallet talk. Its obviously working with the WiiU. But believing that an individual, or group, should be forced to behave, think a particular way is a very totalitaristic attitude.

Well said actually.

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#122 bowchicka07
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@FreedomFreeLife: Is it really that big of a deal? Even real activists would probably view all of this as a waste of time.

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#124  Edited By KittenNose
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You know, I agree that everyone's five year old shouldn't be exposed to adult sexual relationships. I just don't understand the argument that is okay to bring Male/female relationships into the picture, but not male/male. If it is cool for the first two to kiss, it should be cool for the second two. Humping? Yeah line crossed. A kiss on the cheek? If that wrecks your kid's childhood they have no actual problems to worry over.

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#125 Pffrbt
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@FireEmblem_Man said:

I'm going to be devil's advocate and say that this shouldn't even matter at all when the design of Tomadachi is aimed towards kids. This issue is being blown out for the sake of controversy, and trying to force politics into games.

It being aimed at kids is irrelevant. Straight marriage is already in the game, gay marriage isn't any more sexual than that. Probably less so than straight marriage since you can apparently have a baby in game. There's nothing political about giving players the option to have a same sex relationship in game.

@II_Seraphim_II said:

Not every single thing you do needs to be some great attempt at changing the world. They just want to make a scandal/controversy free product, so they aren't going to do anything that will more than likely annoy the majority. Its not about being in "the past" or being cowards, its about it not being their battle.

Except they are cowards for being too afraid to do the right thing and put it in.

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#126 lostrib
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I feel like there are more important things for the LGBT community to be bringing up in regards to homosexuality and equality

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I feel like there are more important things for the LGBT community to be bringing up in regards to homosexuality and equality

In other words you don't think people are allowed to be bothered by one thing unless all other problems are taken care of. Nevermind the fact that it's possible to focus on more than one thing at a time.

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@Pffrbt said:

@lostrib said:

I feel like there are more important things for the LGBT community to be bringing up in regards to homosexuality and equality

In other words you don't think people are allowed to be bothered by one thing unless all other problems are taken care of. Nevermind the fact that it's possible to focus on more than one thing at a time.

No i just don't think it's a point that will get them anywhere

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#130 Pffrbt
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@getyeryayasout said:

Refusing to have and not having aren't the same thing.

Either they refused to have them or forgot that gay people exist. Either case doesn't look good.

@lostrib said:

No i just don't think it's a point that will get them anywhere

Any small victory is good.

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#131  Edited By lostrib
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@Pffrbt said:

@lostrib said:

No i just don't think it's a point that will get them anywhere

Any small victory is good.

It's not a victory though

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#132 Pffrbt
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@lostrib said:

It's not a victory though

It is though.

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#133 lostrib
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@Pffrbt: exactly what victory was achieved here?

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#134  Edited By MlauTheDaft
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I think this is taking political correctness too far.

Does every single game really need to be a social commentary?

One day you'll get to choose wether Mario saves Peach or his boyfriend Pitch, you decide if Dom eventually has to euthanize his husband and Bioware will have you participate in massive animal porn orgies, because they've exploited the homsexual gaming fad too much.

There, I said it: Homosexuality is primarily being exploited as a gimmick in games, and I find that more offensive than the lack of inclusion in this particular one, or most other "controversies" like Dragon's Crown.

Edit:

Mass Effect is actually damn offensive in an of itself. What people usually call "choosing whom to build a relationship with" is litterally just picking out your virtual **** puppet.

It's harder NOT to sleep with anyone than seducing someone in particular.

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#135 Pffrbt
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@lostrib said:

@Pffrbt: exactly what victory was achieved here?

People got Nintendo and the media's attention and made them take notice that this is a thing. Hopefully in future games that involve relationships Nintendo and other developers will realize that a part of their audience isn't straight and would appreciate the ability to have in game relationships that reflect their real life ones.

@MlauTheDaft said:

I think this is taking political correctness too far.

How is asking for a bit of equality when it comes to in game relationship options taking PC too far.

"Does every single game really need to be a social commentary?"
Why does every attempt to present players with the option of having same sex relationships get accused of being "social commentary" and why would it be a bad thing even if it was. At best they're giving a group of players the option to have relationships that reflect their real life ones and at worst you have a part of the game you can safefully ignore.

"One day you'll get to choose wether Mario saves Peach or his boyfriend Pitch, you decide if Dom eventually has to euthanize his husband"
Mario and Dom are canonically straight characters and not player made avatars so this bit of overreaction doesn't really work and isn't relevant to the discussion.

"Bioware will have you participate in massive animal porn orgies, because they've exploited the homsexual gaming fad too much."
This is about as stupid as saying marriage equality will lead to people marrying icecream or their dog.

"There, I said it: Homosexuality is primarily being exploited as a gimmick in games, and I find that more offensive than the lack of inclusion in this particular one"
In other words the very idea of gay players being given an option is offensive to you. Nice homophobia.

"Mass Effect is actually damn offensive in an of itself. What people usually call "choosing whom to build a relationship with" is litterally just picking out your virtual **** puppet.

It's harder NOT to sleep with anyone than seducing someone in particular."
That's because Bioware is a terrible developer.

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#136 Xplode_games
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Polygamy is not in the game either. Where is the uproar from the fairness and equality people?

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@Pffrbt said:

@II_Seraphim_II said:

Not every single thing you do needs to be some great attempt at changing the world. They just want to make a scandal/controversy free product, so they aren't going to do anything that will more than likely annoy the majority. Its not about being in "the past" or being cowards, its about it not being their battle.

Except they are cowards for being too afraid to do the right thing and put it in.

Why is it the right thing? You don't think thats morally presumptive? I believe its the right thing, and from your comments I sense that you feel the same way. But those are our own personal moral codes. Other people have differing moral codes. Christians think its immoral because their God states so. Why is your moral compass more right than that of Christians? The truth is its not any more or anymore wrong. Morality is subjective, and I think Nintendo understands it. And being a company with many people of differing moral standards, they avoided trying to make a statement. It's not their battle.

Do you openly support every nobel cause? Do you have anti-racism posters in your room? how about anti baby seal clubbing? anti whaling? free Tibet? Equality for women? Fight against poverty? Wildlife preservation? I highly doubt. You're probably selective about the battles you want to fight at any particular time and Nintendo is probably the same.

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#138  Edited By deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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This would be like not letting you make your character black because they don't want to get involved in the civil rights movement. It's completely illogical.

Allowing people to have gay relations in games has nothing to do with trying to change the world. You'd have to be incredibly stupid to think it does.

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@II_Seraphim_II said:

Christians think its immoral because their God states so.

Yes, and in the very same book that he says that he says to kill them, (they ignore that part) and also says not to wear mixed fiber clothing and forbids the eating of shellfish. (they ignore those as well)

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#140  Edited By XboxDone74
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@Randolph: im not religious, but I do like to correct my fellow man.

The old testament talks about killing homosexuals. Christians follow the teachings of christ which is new testament stuff. Jesus never spoke of homosexuality. He just wanted everyone to get along, maaaaaaan.

just saying, my uninformed gamer.

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#141  Edited By FireEmblem_Man
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@Pffrbt said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:

I'm going to be devil's advocate and say that this shouldn't even matter at all when the design of Tomadachi is aimed towards kids. This issue is being blown out for the sake of controversy, and trying to force politics into games.

It being aimed at kids is irrelevant. Straight marriage is already in the game, gay marriage isn't any more sexual than that. Probably less so than straight marriage since you can apparently have a baby in game. There's nothing political about giving players the option to have a same sex relationship in game.

Why is it irrelevant? The majority of the audience is for kids, and adding in Politics and Nintendo don't mix at all. Nintendo promotes family, friendly games to all ages and steer clear from trying to add political agendas in their games. Why? Because they're VIDEO GAMES! This issue is very IRRELEVANT for idiots that want everything politically correct to be shoved down their throats.

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#142 lostrib
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@xboxdone74 said:

@Randolph: im not religious, but I do like to correct my fellow man.

The old testament talks about killing homosexuals. Christians follow the teachings of christ which is new testament stuff. Jesus never spoke of homosexuality. He just wanted everyone to get along, maaaaaaan.

just saying, my uninformed gamer.

...but many Christians do think homosexuality is immoral

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#143  Edited By lostrib
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@Pffrbt said:

@lostrib said:

@Pffrbt: exactly what victory was achieved here?

People got Nintendo and the media's attention and made them take notice that this is a thing. Hopefully in future games that involve relationships Nintendo and other developers will realize that a part of their audience isn't straight and would appreciate the ability to have in game relationships that reflect their real life ones.

Well except other developers (of actual serious games) have already taken notice and put homosexual relationships into games. And as you can see from this thread, it's not attracting positive attention, it just makes the LGBT movement seem like a bunch of whiny SJWs. Heck the guy who started this doesn't even want people to boycott purchase of the game, so it doesn't really seem to have a point besides trending a hashtag.

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#144  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@Randolph said:

@II_Seraphim_II said:

Christians think its immoral because their God states so.

Yes, and in the very same book that he says that he says to kill them, (they ignore that part) and also says not to wear mixed fiber clothing and forbids the eating of shellfish. (they ignore those as well)

Since this is SW and I don't want to get into a religious debate with....I'll say this...the Christian teachings are in the NT and I doubt you can show me those quotes in that book. If you don't understand Christianity....don't rant about it.

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#145  Edited By lostrib
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@LJS9502_basic said:

@Randolph said:

@II_Seraphim_II said:

Christians think its immoral because their God states so.

Yes, and in the very same book that he says that he says to kill them, (they ignore that part) and also says not to wear mixed fiber clothing and forbids the eating of shellfish. (they ignore those as well)

Since this is SW and I don't want to get into a religious debate with....I'll say this...the Christian teachings are in the NT and I doubt you can show me those quotes in that book. If you don't understand Christianity....don't rant about it.

but is the whole anti gay thing also in the New Testament?

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#146 Comduter
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At least the game will allow you to simulate relationships between hermaphrodite Mii's (which most of mine are). So that's good enough for me.

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#147  Edited By LJS9502_basic
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@lostrib said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Randolph said:

@II_Seraphim_II said:

Christians think its immoral because their God states so.

Yes, and in the very same book that he says that he says to kill them, (they ignore that part) and also says not to wear mixed fiber clothing and forbids the eating of shellfish. (they ignore those as well)

Since this is SW and I don't want to get into a religious debate with....I'll say this...the Christian teachings are in the NT and I doubt you can show me those quotes in that book. If you don't understand Christianity....don't rant about it.

but is the whole anti gay thing also in the New Testament?

Dude wrong forum. But I'll answer you this....Jesus actually never spoke out against homosexuals......

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#148 lostrib
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@LJS9502_basic said:

@lostrib said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Randolph said:

@II_Seraphim_II said:

Christians think its immoral because their God states so.

Yes, and in the very same book that he says that he says to kill them, (they ignore that part) and also says not to wear mixed fiber clothing and forbids the eating of shellfish. (they ignore those as well)

Since this is SW and I don't want to get into a religious debate with....I'll say this...the Christian teachings are in the NT and I doubt you can show me those quotes in that book. If you don't understand Christianity....don't rant about it.

but is the whole anti gay thing also in the New Testament?

Dude wrong forum. But I'll answer you this....Jesus actually never spoke out against homosexuals......

Well this is a discussion on homosexuals though. But it seems many Christians use justifications against homosexuality from the Old Testament, so it seems they should be criticized for not following the other teachings of the old testament. But then there is the debate of moral law vs civil law, old and new covenants...crap

okay, yeah this isn't the right place for this

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I guess Mario and Luigi will have to stay in the closet a little longer.

Maybe next gen they can "come out".

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Well if the game involves having children, and needs that to progress, what do you expect them to do? This whole "you must add 'this race/this sexual orientation," to a game for the sake of pleasing a market is more racist/sexist than anything else. It is that kind of thought that really brings up separation, alienation, etc. So somebody makes a life sim of sorts that doesn't include homosexuality. The person that calls this person out in saying, "well you've got to include this or that" is the bigot at the table.