Nintendo's E3 kinda sucked...But don't hate them for it.

Listen...I didn't like Nintendo's conference any better than most of you. I'm very upset about Animal Crossing U finally being confirmed...As a bord game. Metroid finally being confirmed...As a cruddy spin off. WTF Nintendo? Why u do dis to us? You say you care about your IPs, then you just make dumb unnecessary spin off games and sell them at full price. (If they are not full price and they are cheap, such as less tha $20, I guess I can forgive them.) This is why people think your games are nothing but rehashes.

But I let this sink in for a bit. Why did Nintendo do what they did and have such an underwhelming E3 digital event? Well...Think about it. In the beginning, Nintendo said they're dedicated gaming platform, "Codename NX", will be talked about next year. (2016). So...I'd say that they are going to replace the Wii U ASAP. But not so soon that it upsets the people who just bought the Wii U.

If that is the case, then why should they come out with big games like Animal Crossing, Metroid, F-Zero, etc? Why spend millions on games for a console that is pretty much dead, sales wise? if Nintendo came out with a big Mario game, then turned around and came out with ANOTHER big Mario game on the NX soon afterwards, what would you all think? What? REHASH? Nintendo milking Mario again? Blah Blah Blah.

Was the DE disappointing? Yes. Should Nintendo of tried to outshine Sony and Microsoft's games? No. Why? If they dropped some megatons, like mre new IPs, and games like F-Zero, Kid Icarus, and a new 3D open world Earthbound, would people go out and buy a Wii U? Would the Wii U sell enough to compete with the PS4 and Xbox One? I don't think so. Therefore, in a business mindset, why should they invest so much into an E3 conference just so a bunch of nerds like all of us can go online and talk about it?

If you were Nintendo, what would you do? Place all your eggs in one old broken up basket, or place most of your better eggs in your brand new basket. The Wii U selling 2-3 million units isn't going to do a dang thing because the Wii U doesn't have 3rd party support to keep the sales going.

We are getting;

• Starfox Zero.
• Xenoblade Chronicles X.
• Fatal Frame 5.
• Fire EmblemXSMT
• Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash.
• Devils Third.
• Rodea: The Sky Soldier.
• Pokken Tournament.
• Zelda U.

And other games like;

• Skylanders: Super Chargers.
• Mighty Number 9.
• Yooka-Laylee. (2nd most hyped game of 2016 for me.)

• Bloodstained. (Castlevania)

For a console that is on death's door, isn't that a pretty decent lineup?

There is a thread for this to express your points.

Which one? If it's a problem, I can change the topic...

Heck, I WANT them to save everything they've got for the NX. Wii U was not much more than their HD testing ground really.

That said, this is Nintendo, and you should expect them to have their heads up their asses with the next console as well. Give 'em a chance, but expect the worst

No hate just disappointed they wasted time on things that's not games - developer's story (don't care) & focus only on 3 games for Wii U ..didn't show Fatal Frame 5, Devil's Third even Fast Racing Neo ..where was Pokken Tournament? Fatal Frame 5 is coming out this year!!!..lol had to find that out from a forum post. :P

@Chozofication: A testing ground!? Who needs a testing ground!? It's a pretty expensive tech demo for the fans who bought the machine don't you think?

How come Sony or Microsoft didn't need a testing ground?

I'm with you. Nintendo was extremely incompetent with the Wii U, they basically had no idea the manpower and time it took to make games for Ps3 and 360 level hardware.

No, it was universally thought of as underwhelming and that Nintendo shit on the Wiiu.

@pikachudude860: When i was calling out Nintendo and Sheep last year for exactly the same things you talking , i was the hater.

That is Nintendo for you the last 3-4 generations. Hype and more hype , lack of third party support , same AAA franchises , stops supporting first vs competition ( same thing happening since N64 era ) , their systems considered DEAD first than anyone else.

Thats the sad truth.

I told sheep again and again last year in this very forum ( along others ) ... Stop talking BS about other platforms ( was PS4 back then ) because it will backfire.... Well , take all this hate now back and stop asking for mercy ! lol .. I did warn you all

Would you of prefered that they focus on the Wii U rather than making big games for the NX?

I'm not disagreeing with you. I think the PS1 and PS2 had something to do with it, but I'm not disagreeing with you.

Conference was funny but lackluster and disappointing, but i'm agree with you TC, there are nice games coming this year.

I was on the fence about buying a Wii U, but this conference basically convinced me it's a waste of money.

PS4, I'm looking at you now.

They could've shown Zelda U and Fatal Frame. They chose not to for whatever dumb reason.

We know. They had a poor showing because they are holding everything back, for the NX.

Zelda will most likely end up there anyways. It makes more sense. There is literally no reason to release the new Zelda game on the Wii U. They will be sending it out to die, and it will accomplish absolutely nothing as far as preserving their brand goodwill/reputation/Wii U's lifespan. (I reject the arguement of "Nintendo must support the Wii U or else lose the trust of 'the gamerz/consumerz' ". That is nonsense. Both of them have not only ALREADY abandoned the Wii U, but both of them would be better served by the game skipping Wii U entirety and Nintendo just eating the crow)

The concept of the new Zelda being open world is the Zelda game everybody has always wanted. They would be doing a disservice to both gamers and Zelda fans by bogging it down with the Wii U. That is a game that deserves "next gen" specs.

I could never hate Nintendo. But that disgraceful 'Metroid' game on 3DS brought me close enough.

Since I have a Wiiu and no plans for future Nintendo consoles, I want games for the Wiiu. A total of 4 games have come out this year for the console period. Pathetic.

There's a better case for purchasing a Wii U over a PS4 if you're concerned about exclusives.

They did have a testing ground. It was called the PS3 and the 360. Only thing is that Nintendo doesn't get a 8 year console cycle to perfect HD development.

OT they botched their E3. They shouldn't have given Sakurai his own little thing. They should have kept the lid on project Treasure. They should have given a segment to Devil's 3rd, Rodea the Sky Soldier, FAST racing Neo, and they should have shown a little of Zelda U. All of this should have been in the NDE. That is what it boils down to. If they showed some Zelda, and showed more games than what they did, then most people would have been content with waiting.

I include entire library , which includes 3rd party which WiiU has none.

At least Chronicles X comes out this year.

4 total games for a console and its middle of June.

Glad you're happy, I'm not.

New people, a new generation, but it's the same song.

Sony's E3 sucked!!!

MS E3 sucked...they're dead!!!

Don't hate Nintendo, pls.

Which one belongs to a typical sheep?

Disappointing? Nintendo's conference was flat out dreadful.

*reads topic*

Yeah, some people have already crossed and burned that bridge, TC.

I'm really curious why there was no Fatal Frame 5 announcement. It's allegedly shipping this year.

I've lost faith in them. Selling my WiiU was a good idea. Lord knows Nintendo didn't give me any reason to keep it.

The DE was very underwhelming, but yeah some of the reactions are a bit much. It's not like this is the first time Nintendo has had a disappointing E3 event, and lord knows Sony and MS and some of the big publishers have had a lame presentations the past years too (Although microsoft and especially Sony were actually good this year). Hell, after years of cringey kinect E3's from Microsoft I was never like "OMG I HATE MICROSOFT I CAN'T EVEN LOOK AT MY 360 ANYMORE" about it. Still gladfully bought and played games for my 360 whenever whenever there was something that caught my interest. Sony having an underwhelming presentation last year didn't make my desire for a PS4 shrink one bit.

And that being said, while I expected more from Nintendo this year, there was still some nice stuff here and there

• M&L/paper Mario Crossover
• Super Mario Maker
• Star Fox Zero (ironic since I never even got into SF before, platinum has a spell on me I swear)
• NWC was a nice watch, annoying splatoon kid aside.
• Liked all the Smash 4 DLC characters (Roy is surprisingly fun to play as now, Ryu is a very different and Unique character for Smash. Lucas...is Lucas, so that's alright, I guess. probably the least favorite of the 3 but I still have some fun playing as him)
• Seeing the Mother series get some attention with Earthbound beginnings was kinda neat. Not terribly excited for the game ATM but might get at some point.

thankfully Sony and Microsoft were able to pick up the slack this year and still allow for there to be a nice amount of games to be interested in at this E3 overall, along with the few interesting things Nintendo showed. :)

Rushing to get a new console out probably isn't their best strategy, either. Releasing a new console when there's no demand for one, so early that Wii U owners don't feel like dumping another few hundred dollars a new console so soon, and so early that the PS4 and X1 owners are content to stick with their current systems because they're still getting new games would be another disaster.

A new console isn't a reset switch, and Nintendo can't simply shrug off the Wii U and expect fans to keep coming back for more. Nintendo has a difficult couple of years ahead of them and no easy solutions.

If the NX is a replacement for the U I may never buy another Nintendo console ever again, replacing it that quick is ridiculous, so if they're holding back for that I'm not a very happy U owner

they are pulling a sega and its going to blow up in their faces. didnt they learn anything from sega? alot of people didnt buy the dreamcast because of how sega dropped support for the saturn. if nintendo wants to drop wii u support they could have at least got indie developers to release some games on their fail of a console. they have got to do better next gen, if they cant get third parties back at least get indie dev.

lol Nintendo is listening to the internet trolls who claim they will buy NX if its more powerful and has 3rd party support. It will be Nintendo falling for the worst trolling of all time and may contribute to their leaving the home console business entirely, which is what the haters want.

You're making way too much sense for this place.

They deserve no rope.

Some of their upcoming games look fine, good even, I'm sure Platinum will make Starfox bitchin, and Fatal Frame and Devil's Third have my interest. But Nintendo's ability to have so much talent under one roof and waste some of it on bullshit is so annoying.

Like that Metroid and Zelda spinoffs? Bitch what? A Sony first party game (that wasn't Naughty Dog or an Ueda game) looked more fun to me than the stuff Nintendo was showing, I was stunned.

So the Ninty fanboys are cool with the console starting to die after a pathetic 2 years? The 360 is still getting megaton games a decade later. Fucking hell.

How exactly is the NX gonna be different anyway? Will it just be another expensive "experiment" like wiiu?

Gamers don't give a **** about your nutcase conspiracy theories. The WiiU is filth and gamers are rightfully ignoring it. When Nintendo make a good system with a proper games library, gamers buy it. See: 3DS.

@pikachudude860: You forgot Super Mario Maker, Yoshi Woolly World, Project Cars, and Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival mate.

lol its funny that you consider 3DS a good system. Its low end and you know it.

@locopatho: 3DS sales have took a major dive they say due to the increased mobile market.

I definitely don't hate them and I understand why it happened. But I still can't help but feel disappointed. Also, the troll moves with Animal Crossing and Metroid weren't very helpful.

what about the people who bought the wii u.. not everybody want's to buy a console every 3 years when there is no guarantee that atleast one series of games don't launch on the console "HD testing ground" they should've mentioned it to their buyers when they sold it for an exorbitant price of $250 for an HD testing bed.

@trugs26: Yeah, i think thats what sucks the most, people want to express disappointment and discuss it, but dont want to be counted as the "TroIIs" stressing disappointment. Its sucks, but it is what it is. I think best thing we can do is debate it. Its part of the reason ive been watching Nintendo Tree House etc so i can learn more about the games we are getting and better debate with fans expressing disappointment and Trolls attacking. At times like these they will try and spread misinformation like wildfire.

Hmm... Wanting support for a console I paid good money for versus a console we know absolutely nothing about.

You answer that one.

Agree with the OP and when I saw the thread title I came here to say pretty much what TC did. It's gamers' own fault for most of what's happening now with Nintendo. After the raging success of Wii, what's generally regarded as a casual system, people complained and wanted a more "core" system and games from Nintendo. They listened and gave us the Wii U. I know it's not all powerful in terms of tech, but Nintendo delivered core game after core game on the system, but so-called "gamers" bought PS4 and Xbox One instead, with next to no quality games for a year or more.

Nintendo has to make money, so going back to the casual demographic makes perfect sense for them, and with the current success of Amiibos, you can't blame them for maximizing their capitol on that line either.

The Wii U is almost a dead system and Nintendo knows it, but even so they're providing us with some quality games for 2015 and 2016, despite the lack of support from, again, so-called "gamers".

Nintendo deserves a lot of the criticisms being leveled against them, but consumers also deserve a shit load of the blame as well. But if you disagree, keep on enjoying yearly offerings of Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed while hiding behind shallow indie games for your creative and original itches.

@Bigboi500: I dont think Nintendo will ever go back to the casual market , having a 100 million install base and only selling 1 million copies of a Kirby game will do that to you. Casuals buy casual games, not Nintendo games.

What I have on my WiiU doesn't justify all of the money I've spent on it. 4 Wiimotes, 2 Pro Controllers, 1 Wiimote Plus, the over-priced console and only 10 games worth playing, and they're already going to make a new console? This is the most expensive paperweight console I've ever bought.

@ultimateimp: To be fair Nintendo releases a new console bout every 5 years. You have a couple years left. Also im not sure why you would need to justify a Wii U purchase. Buying the system is bout the cheapest part out of the whole thing. Its buying the games that will burn your pockets. Think about it, we spend $60 on a game we can beat in a couple days. $300 for a system you get to enjoy for 5 years is nothing in my opinion.

Them making these games like the new Metroid and Zelda spin offs instead of dedicated games for each respective franchise means that they want to make money off of casual gamers to boost income. The people that haven't supported Nintendo really have no right to complain.

@Bigboi500: I dont think Nintendo Handhelds have ever got an original Zelda or Metroid game. Maybe one day.

It was bad because they'd already told us about #FE, Fire Emblem Fates, Chibi Robo, Fatal Frame, Yokai Watch, Smash DLC, Earthbound Beginnings prior to the Digital Event.

It still wouldn't have been mind blowing if they saved those announcements, but it would have been much better than the disappointment we got.

What's worse is that they neglected to mention some games, while still wasting time on telling us what we already knew about Woolly World and Mario Maker.

@mesome713: WiiU at launch cost me more than my PS4 did. Especially with Nintendo's blatent lack of support in my region. The accessories also almost cost me as much. I wouldn't have given a **** about the WiiU have I known all along it will be this massive a failure, and be so dead 2 years after I bought it. This is beyond redeemable.

I don't think they will shift completely to casuals again next gen, but I bet you they will focus more on their fans, casuals and other audiences that have usually bought their handhelds and/or consoles.