Nintendo Supporters, we will not win this war.

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#1 Shinno441
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Before I get completely flamed to death I wanna say something. I'm a shemming but I've supported Nintendo my whole life, I began gaming with them and will end gaming if they stop making games.

But really, let's face it, things have changed so much since the SNES Era, this was when Sega and Nintendo were bringing out games that weren't all too different from eachother, hell I remember playing Power Rangers on my friend's Sega and then popping in Megaman X on my SNES almost everyday, but since the PS1 era gaming has changed. A new market was reached and they were the "casuals" of that gen because they're idea was different than ours. Now they are the majority and consider themselves the "hardcore" and see our games with cartoon graphics and write them off as "casual" or "kiddy".

Everyone's entitled to their preference but if our preference is the minority, who's going to be flamed and bashed more? Notice this, a sheep makes a sales thread boasting Wii/DS's sales, instead of getting a normal discussion he gets a bash fest of, "Teh wii win's in teh salllllesss" or "I can't play sales" when last gen the Sony PS2 was considered the "winner" because it had the most sales. People may say to that, "but it also had the best games" but what did the cows boast more? Their 120 million+ userbase, or their amazing lineup. Also, if a lemming makes a thread about the 360 outselling the PS3 for the month and boasts about it, you get a normal discussion, maybe some bashing but for the most part good and sensible rebuttles.

How about games? Sheep show off Brawl, Galaxy, MP3, and other 1st party + 3rd party titles, that are amazing games. What does a sheep get in responses though? "Teh kiddyyyy" and in Brawl specificaly, "Button mashurrrrr" Have they played their prequals? Probably not, but based on the fact that it doesn't involve "jacking" cars, it's not going to get a good response. Now, look at when a lemming does this, showing off Halo 3, Mass Effect, and Bioshock, you get responses like, "GOTY instantly" and if someone goes to flame one of them and say they don't like it because blah blah blah, then they are flamed to DEATH.

This will probably be the most controversial statement in my thead but, GS is biased against sheep/Nintendo, in fact, a majority of the gaming population is biased against Nintendo, and why? Because the games they play are so much different, why? Because many sheep grew up with those franchises and stuck with them and basing their gaming careers on them.

Sheep, we will not win this war, it's inevitable because a lot of us in a sense game in a different world of gaming, where violence or maturity level does not make the game better or more hardcore, but hell, let's enjoy them, even though we're not gonna win, system wars is here to debate the systems and enjoy some of the conversations and state your opinion.

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#2 JiveT
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The best part about this post is how the TC reveals he's terrified of lemming wrath. Heh heh. That's good.

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#3 marioraider
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Who cares about winning or losing? This just creates competition, which creates more games, which is better for all gamers, for all systems. If anything, Nintendo is just expanding the market for more people to come in and enjoy gaming.
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#4 KungfuKitten
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It used to be about experimentation.
Those gamers are now in a minority.
But i don't see our kin end.
The Wii may be introducing our second coming. :)
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#5 Shinno441
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Who cares about winning or losing? This just creates competition, which creates more games, which is better for all gamers, for all systems. If anything, Nintendo is just expanding the market for more people to come in and enjoy gaming.marioraider
I know, but I'm saying, it's not possible, we sheep are flamed to death and talk the least, it's a different side of gaming, but this is just all my opinion, and now that I think of it I should have blogged this lol.
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#6 Yours_is_green
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Have more fun on this forum. 90% of the idiots here are misinformed or just plain ignorant (don't call them that though, its grounds for suspension -trust me-). Read what they say, laugh and thank your lucky stars you aren't them.
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#7 JPOBS
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Your post has much words and little sense.
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#8 marioraider
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[QUOTE="marioraider"]Who cares about winning or losing? This just creates competition, which creates more games, which is better for all gamers, for all systems. If anything, Nintendo is just expanding the market for more people to come in and enjoy gaming.Shinno441
I know, but I'm saying, it's not possible, we sheep are flamed to death and talk the least, it's a different side of gaming, but this is just all my opinion, and now that I think of it I should have blogged this lol.

It's ok, I'm not mad at you. I vent sometimes as well. But it was a good read.

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#9 PSP107
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Nintendo has notbeen good since SNES.
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#10 GunSmith1_basic
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Good post.

I agree that it seems that the definition of 'winning' has now changed since wii is sales king. It is no longer sales, it is games. Whichever one means 360 I guess, since they were trumpetting their lead in sales as their saviour since the wii and ps3 arrived.

It seems as though no matter what the definition, there will be many people who will never recognize a wii victory. This entire gen the wii will be attacked because it is not 'next gen'.

And btw, sales matter. They aren't just some numbers on a graph in the companies' boardrooms. They represent not only the future layout of developer support, and also more people getting the system. Doesn't having more people owning the console mean something? Seems obvious to me that sales ought to play a factor in determining who wins system wars

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#11 Heil68
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The fact that you and every other sheep who's complaining are scared to put up their games as the basis of competition, says a lot about the Wii. As far as sales goes, the Wii wouldn't even come close to the PC, so at least this way something other than the PC can possibly win.
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#12 JPOBS
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Good post.

I agree that it seems that the definition of 'winning' has now changed since wii is sales king. It is no longer sales, it is games. Whichever one means 360 I guess, since they were trumpetting their lead in sales as their saviour since the wii and ps3 arrived.

It seems as though no matter what the definition, there will be many people who will never recognize a wii victory. This entire gen the wii will be attacked because it is not 'next gen'.

And btw, sales matter. They aren't just some numbers on a graph in the companies' boardrooms. They represent not only the future layout of developer support, and also more people getting the system. Doesn't having more people owning the console mean something? Seems obvious to me that sales ought to play a factor in determining who wins system wars

GunSmith1_basic
when has it ever NOT been games?
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#13 nintendo-4life
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early games were similar? .... OK :|
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#14 GunSmith1_basic
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The fact that you and every other sheep who's complaining are scared to put up their games as the basis of competition, says a lot about the Wii. As far as sales goes, the Wii wouldn't even come close to the PC, so at least this way something other than the PC can possibly win.Heil68

wii games are of course behind the 360! It just came out. Why dont you acknowledge that the wii's popularity is huge advantage for nintendo in this system war? Maybe not now, but in the future definitely. Sales mean games later on, so I dont see the problem. People buying their consoles now are investing in the future of that console as well. They would not be happy if they could get great games now, but not so many in the future.

PC should not be calculated, only software sales. Since those are smaller than console sales, we know that the true gaming userbase of pc is very good but no trump card by any means

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#15 Chau_
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Saying nintendo wont win this round is like saying Apple wont sell the most mp3 players. Once you have momentum and mainstream appeal its almost impossible to stop it. Wii hasnt even launched in all countries that its suppsosed to yet. Its just going to keep going and going untill nintendo announces a new console. That is when Wii will die.
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#16 GunSmith1_basic
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[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

Good post.

I agree that it seems that the definition of 'winning' has now changed since wii is sales king. It is no longer sales, it is games. Whichever one means 360 I guess, since they were trumpetting their lead in sales as their saviour since the wii and ps3 arrived.

It seems as though no matter what the definition, there will be many people who will never recognize a wii victory. This entire gen the wii will be attacked because it is not 'next gen'.

And btw, sales matter. They aren't just some numbers on a graph in the companies' boardrooms. They represent not only the future layout of developer support, and also more people getting the system. Doesn't having more people owning the console mean something? Seems obvious to me that sales ought to play a factor in determining who wins system wars

JPOBS

when has it ever NOT been games?

when has it ONLY been games?

I said that sales 'ought to play a factor' so I already implied that sales aren't everything

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#17 frankeyser
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Nintendo has notbeen good since SNES.PSP107

strangley enough some of the highest rated games ever were on the ultra 64... so i guess you are right they have not been good they have been freaking amazing since then.

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#18 lastroxas
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nice 1
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I haven't heard some of those phrases you claim and even more since when do people who grew up on nintendo must still play it? Since when do every 360 owner and PS3 owner play GTA? When was that a bad thing? And who are you claiming are the majority?

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#20 Shinno441
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early games were similar? .... OK :|nintendo-4life
Me and the kid who lived in an apartment below us shared the SNES and Genesis, maybe it's because I was young but I remember those games were insense the same type, as in "kiddy"
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#21 xBALOx
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at least it's no micro$oft...

I still dont understand why ppl but products of that company...

*sigh*

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#22 JPOBS
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[QUOTE="JPOBS"][QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]

Good post.

I agree that it seems that the definition of 'winning' has now changed since wii is sales king. It is no longer sales, it is games. Whichever one means 360 I guess, since they were trumpetting their lead in sales as their saviour since the wii and ps3 arrived.

It seems as though no matter what the definition, there will be many people who will never recognize a wii victory. This entire gen the wii will be attacked because it is not 'next gen'.

And btw, sales matter. They aren't just some numbers on a graph in the companies' boardrooms. They represent not only the future layout of developer support, and also more people getting the system. Doesn't having more people owning the console mean something? Seems obvious to me that sales ought to play a factor in determining who wins system wars

GunSmith1_basic

when has it ever NOT been games?

when has it ONLY been games?

I said that sales 'ought to play a factor' so I already implied that sales aren't everything

its always only been games.
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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]early games were similar? .... OK :|Shinno441
Me and the kid who lived in an apartment below us shared the SNES and Genesis, maybe it's because I was young but I remember those games were insense the same type, as in "kiddy"

I owned them both and they were not the same type. It's kinda like saying phantsy star andearthbound were the same.

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#24 gamenux
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First, you ride the bicycle, then you upgrade to driving dad's car, then get your own car dude. Will you go back to just riding a bike? Most people will not. Occassionally but not has the main form of transportation.
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#25 Shinno441
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I haven't heard some of those phrases you claim and even more since when do people who grew up on nintendo must still play it? Since when do every 360 owner and PS3 owner play GTA? When was that a bad thing? And who are you claiming are the majority?

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I'm using examples, I didn't say they must I'm saying most do, I can't poll everyone in the world and ask them, but most Ninty gamers I know grew up with them. I'm not saying any of it is a bad thing I am saying that because we sheep are so outnumbered our opinions don't matter to the majority, and by that I mean Sony and MS, seeing as according to everyone on this forum they are today's "hardcore"
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#26 Shinno441
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[QUOTE="Shinno441"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]early games were similar? .... OK :|Unholy_Smite

Me and the kid who lived in an apartment below us shared the SNES and Genesis, maybe it's because I was young but I remember those games were insense the same type, as in "kiddy"

I owned them both and they were not the same type. It's kinda like saying phantsy star andearthbound were the same.

Like I said, I was young back then but the games he had and the games I had were very similiar.
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#27 Panzer_Zwei
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early games were similar? .... OK :|nintendo-4life
Exactly what I was thinking.
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#28 monkeysrfat
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The wii only gets this much hate in an online gaming forum called system wars. Outside in the real world the wii is a sucess.
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[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]early games were similar? .... OK :|Shinno441
Me and the kid who lived in an apartment below us shared the SNES and Genesis, maybe it's because I was young but I remember those games were insense the same type, as in "kiddy"

IMO almost every game in the early days was creative, even the disney game, such as aladdin and pokohantes (sp?)

i dunno, i just love old 2D games.
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#30 Panzer_Zwei
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And GS is so biased against Nintendo, that they gave the GameCube 3 GOTY.:|

Theyt gave GOTY to Wind Waker when "everyboy else" gave it to Knights of the Old Republic.

But teh bias!1

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#31 Unholy_Smite
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[QUOTE="Unholy_Smite"]

[QUOTE="Shinno441"][QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]early games were similar? .... OK :|Shinno441

Me and the kid who lived in an apartment below us shared the SNES and Genesis, maybe it's because I was young but I remember those games were insense the same type, as in "kiddy"

I owned them both and they were not the same type. It's kinda like saying phantsy star andearthbound were the same.

Like I said, I was young back then but the games he had and the games I had were very similiar.

You need to be clear that the game you had were similar and not all were. I was young then to and none of my games were similar. If anything they were better then, I miss the days of the SNES...I really do, I hate nintendo now but I LOVE the SNES.....IMO it is the best system ever made...BARNONE!

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#32 BigB_Anderson
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If we keep giving arguments that make sense, we will win the war, whatever the other says. You know, the winner of an argument is the one who says something that make sense, that he tought about and that he made sure he was right about it. Not the random guy who says: OMG ZELDA KIDDY GAME BAD PS3 RULES!
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#33 nintendo-4life
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And GS was so biased against Nintendo, that they gave the GameCube 3 GOTY.:|

Theyt gave GOTY to Wind Waker when "everyboy else" gave it to Knights of the Old Republic.

But teh bias!1

Panzer_Zwei
GS is not biased, but they are VERY inaccurate sometimes.
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#34 Yours_is_green
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See TC....If you post it, they will come :D

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#35 GunSmith1_basic
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its always only been games.
JPOBS
So in that case, does Gamespot play a huge part in determining the winner? I mean most games must mean most AAA and AAs, right? So this whole system wars thingy is basically decided by them since we only use gamespot reviews as the final word? I dont think so, as sales are a huge factor in determining the winner. Sales is the reason that the saturn and the dreamcast lost big time. It represents the objective reality of the system. You can saySega did well with some great games, but they didn't have the sales so they crumbled to nothing. If they no longer exist, how can they be 'winning'?

Seems to me that winning system wars ought to be sales and games. I dont think there's much to argue anyway, as sales are equal to future games and so you could look at like that and I would agree that it's all about games. Like I said, if someone wants to pick the best system out there (sort of the purpose of system wars), they would of course look at current libraries, but shouldn't sales matter somewhat, since sales mean more games in the future? Would you have bought a dreamcast over the ps2 when the ps2 lauched, because the dreamcast had much better games but was being trounced in sales. Buying the ps2would have beenthe smart move because it meant more games in the future

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#36 Gamingcucumber
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Do as you wish. I know I will......ROCK MY WII WITH GUITAR HERO 3 YEEEAAAH! BRING IT OOON!!

*plays the air guitar*

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#37 Shinno441
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And GS is so biased against Nintendo, that they gave the GameCube 3 GOTY.:|

Theyt gave GOTY to Wind Waker when "everyboy else" gave it to Knights of the Old Republic.

But teh bias!1

Panzer_Zwei
I thought about that, but honestly, look around SW, there is so much hate for Nintendo, I don't just think it's GS, I think it's everyone, and also, how many AAA did the GCN have? 18-19?
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#38 thetombradyhate
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How about games? Sheep show off Brawl, Galaxy, MP3, and other 1st party + 3rd party titles, that are amazing games.

Shinno441

Please do enlighten me on thes other "amazing games"

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#39 bulletmath
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It is debateable whether Nintendo can win on Gamespot (I actually think their scores for Wii games are quite fair)

but they're probably going to win the console war

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#41 battalionwars13
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The fact that you and every other sheep who's complaining are scared to put up their games as the basis of competition, says a lot about the Wii. As far as sales goes, the Wii wouldn't even come close to the PC, so at least this way something other than the PC can possibly win.Heil68

no duh it wouldnt come close to pc but think how many people buy a pc just to play videogames?

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#42 DireToad
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So in essence, the problem is not you it's everybody else?
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#43 Shinno441
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[QUOTE="Shinno441"]

How about games? Sheep show off Brawl, Galaxy, MP3, and other 1st party + 3rd party titles, that are amazing games.

thetombradyhate

Please do enlighten me on thes other "amazing games"

Okay but they will be written off as kiddy/casual.

Batallion Wars 2

Fire Emblem

Disaster

Mario Kart Wii

No More Heroes

MoH: Heroes 2

FF:CC:CB

Dragon Quest (I believe it was coming to Wii)

Project S (collaberative project between Kojima and Suda51)

Hammer

Animal Crossing Wii

King Story

Zack and Wiki

Dewy's Adventure

Sonic and Mario Olympics (Online)

Manhunt Two

Bully Scholarship Edition

Red Steel Two

Kirby Wii

Starfox Wii

F-Zero Wii

Zelda Wii

Spore (I heardconsole releases for the future)

and thats just off the top of my head, those are the games I'm most anticipating, doubt I can buy them all thuogh :(

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#44 Shinno441
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So in essence, the problem is not you it's everybody else?DireToad
How would the sheep be the problem? From what I see in this forum, the sheep bash the least, boast the least, and talk the least, yet are bashed to death for existing pretty much.
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#45 GuybrushMI
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Sales wise the Wii is doing amazing but amongst the consoles the 360's library obliterates all others (That might change 2008 when PS3 gets MGS4, FF13, and etc...) The Wii has good future games like SSBB, SMG, MP3,and etc... but I can't see it as a stand alone console, the game selection is far from being the best.

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#46 DireToad
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[QUOTE="DireToad"]So in essence, the problem is not you it's everybody else?Shinno441
How would the sheep be the problem? From what I see in this forum, the sheep bash the least, boast the least, and talk the least, yet are bashed to death for existing pretty much.



You need some new glasses.
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#47 GuybrushMI
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[QUOTE="DireToad"]So in essence, the problem is not you it's everybody else?Shinno441
How would the sheep be the problem? From what I see in this forum, the sheep bash the least, boast the least, and talk the least, yet are bashed to death for existing pretty much.

Cows get bashed to death, Lems, Herms, and Sheep are just bashed sometimes.
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#48 Shinno441
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[QUOTE="Shinno441"][QUOTE="DireToad"]So in essence, the problem is not you it's everybody else?DireToad
How would the sheep be the problem? From what I see in this forum, the sheep bash the least, boast the least, and talk the least, yet are bashed to death for existing pretty much.



You need some new glasses.

Make that contacts.
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#49 prozack28
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whatever man.
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#50 Truewiseblade
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This is too true. There's definitely been some moving of the goalposts by both lemmingsand Cows. It's mainly because of Two things. The first is their refusal to accept that the hardcore market isn't the most importantgroup anymore. By denying the Wii the lead is basicially a way for the hardcore to stamp their dominance by deciding the winner of the console race by their own standards. The second is because it make their consoles look better. Of course they don't want to admit that the underdog that nobody gave a chance has taken the lead in worldwide sales in less than a year. It's easier for them to just change the rules than to admit defeat.