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#1 Nintendo_Ownes7
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GDC Nintendo to Show Efforts to Expand Range of Developers

Seemingly in response to weakened third party support, Nintendo is looking at a variety of solutions to boost content on its portable and home consoles. In addition to partnering with other developers, as it is with Atlus for Fire Emblem X Shin Megami Tensei, Nintendo will be seeking to "expand the range of software developers."

"At GDC (Game Developers Conference) to be held in March, we will show you some of our efforts to expand the range of software developers," said Iwata. "They will include the development environment used for 'Wii Street U' and some VOD services, where you can develop the Wii U software using web technologies like HTML5 and JavaScript and Unity, a cross-platform video game engine used by many users."

Exactly what that means is anyone's guess. Will Nintendo reveal increased game development? New non-game applications? Fortunately we'll only have to wait until late March to find out.

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Is this a thread from 2001? =P

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When you hear Nintendo it is always linked to 3rd party support by the western media.
They had a show about 1st party, next show will be 3rd party.
GDC of course will also mention third party. It's to be expected.

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When you hear Nintendo it is always linked to 3rd party support by the western media.

KungfuKitten

Well I might of said lack of 3rd Party Support in the Thread title but reading the article it says they are looking to expand their Software developers.

 

It then says you can create Wii U games with HTML5, Javascript, and Unity Engine. So it might soundlike they are going to let developers just make games using that and release it on the Wii U's eShop. Indie developers say that they like eShop because it is similar to Steam interms of freedom.

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#6 GunSmith1_basic
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They should partner with some western devs as well. Whenever I hear about their partnership program I only hear about japanese third parties. If they care about gaining traction in the west they should extend that program over here.
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At gdc they will probably just talk about bringin more japanese content over here, which we already knew about
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[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

When you hear Nintendo it is always linked to 3rd party support by the western media.

Nintendo_Ownes7

Well I might of said lack of 3rd Party Support in the Thread title but reading the article it says they are looking to expand their Software developers.

 

It then says you can create Wii U games with HTML5, Javascript, and Unity Engine. So it might soundlike they are going to let developers just make games using that and release it on the Wii U's eShop. Indie developers say that they like eShop because it is similar to Steam interms of freedom.

That last bit would make me so happy. I hope that is true. I wasn't accusing you of anything sir, it's just something I notice from all the news we are getting.
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One third party game I really want to see is GTA Chinatown Wars 2

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[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

When you hear Nintendo it is always linked to 3rd party support by the western media.

KungfuKitten

Well I might of said lack of 3rd Party Support in the Thread title but reading the article it says they are looking to expand their Software developers.

 

It then says you can create Wii U games with HTML5, Javascript, and Unity Engine. So it might soundlike they are going to let developers just make games using that and release it on the Wii U's eShop. Indie developers say that they like eShop because it is similar to Steam interms of freedom.

That last bit would make me so happy. I hope that is true. I wasn't accusing you of anything sir, it's just something I notice from all the news we are getting.

I know you weren't accusing me. It is just something I noticed when I read the title but it would probably get more traffic this way then Nintendo looking to expand software developers.

 

My biggest thread was the Retro Studio's picks up Vigil, Junction Point, and Bioware employees and that only had 49 Posts.

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It sounds like they are making announcements to try and appeal to more developers, rather than actually having gotten more to develop on the system...

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If that list actually happend it would be another gen where Nintendo will dominate (In theory).

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What lack of third party support? It has more third party support then PS3 and 360 had on their first years. People seriously forget how bad console launches can really be.

I hope that 720 and PS4 not having PS360 levels of third party support will open those eyes.

3DS gets good third party support its just that games don't get localized often. Hopefully we see an improvement.

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What lack of third party support? It has more third party support then PS3 and 360 had on their first years. People seriously forget how bad console launches can really be.

I hope that 720 and PS4 not having PS360 levels of third party support will open those eyes.

3DS gets good third party support its just that games don't get localized often. Hopefully we see an improvement.

quickposter

LOL no it doesn't. Go pick up a history book

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I'll laugh if Nintendo supports android at some point.
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I'll laugh if Nintendo supports android at some point.Heirren
Hopefully they won't lower their standards that much. iOS support should suffice
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I thought they were having a nintendo direct in a couple weeks focusing exclusively on 3rd party games?

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LOL no it doesn't. Go pick up a history book

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Then why is it the only third party games I had on 360 in the first year were DoA 4, Far Cry and Gears? And lets not even go there with PS3. Delays and cancels up the backside. Some still haven't surfaced to this day (Versus XIII anyone).

I can actually do a head count for you to prove the point.

Aliens = Far Cry

Mass Effect = Ghost Recon

Black ops 2 = CoD 2

Monster Hunter = Oblivion

Dead Rising being the only Capcom game compared to two of the biggest franchises Capcom have in less then half a year.

Tekken = DoA 4

Then you have Darksiders II, Ninja Gaiden 3, Assassin's Creed, Bayonetta 2, Lego City, Wonderful 101, Zombi U and those are all out in the timeframe of the first year. And some AAA Square Enix game coming.

I'd expect that kind of ignorance to come from cows but you proved me wrong. 360 SUCKED on it's first year. It was only after companies started to see PS3 was failing and companies started expanding their games to 360 that third party support looked a lot more promising.

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[QUOTE="Heirren"]I'll laugh if Nintendo supports android at some point.RR360DD
Hopefully they won't lower their standards that much. iOS support should suffice

I thought android was the preferred mobile OS? I've got an iPad and sheesh it it's a stinker for games.
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I thought they were having a nintendo direct in a couple weeks focusing exclusively on 3rd party games?

deomag4

I think are doing that. But this might just be to get Partnerships, Merge IPs (Like Pokémon Conquest [Pokémon X Nobunaga's Ambition] and Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem), and showing off developement tools to get Software Developers comfortable with the Wii U.

 

They mentioned that you could make Wii U games with HTML5, Javascript, or with the Unity Engine.

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Lol Nintendo doesn't sell for thrid party games. The absolute main reason most people buy a Nintendo product is for their 1st party titles. Nintendoes are typically a second system from your main one. Honestly I'm not even sure why people are fussing this generation for third party support. There can't be that many people who only own a wii and a wii U so they can't pick up these games on other consoles.

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[QUOTE="deomag4"]

I thought they were having a nintendo direct in a couple weeks focusing exclusively on 3rd party games?

Nintendo_Ownes7

I think are doing that. But this might just be to get Partnerships, Merge IPs (Like Pokémon Conquest [Pokémon X Nobunaga's Ambition] and Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem), and showing off developement tools to get Software Developers comfortable with the Wii U.

 

They mentioned that you could make Wii U games with HTML5, Javascript, or with the Unity Engine.

Lol. All Nintendo has to do is send a delivery boy to any random 3rd party to say, "Iwata says you can put some Pokemon in your game.". Sales guaranteed.
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LOL no it doesn't. Go pick up a history book

quickposter

Then why is it the only third party games I had on 360 in the first year were DoA 4, Far Cry and Gears? And lets not even go there with PS3. Delays and cancels up the backside. Some still haven't surfaced to this day (Versus XIII anyone).

I can actually do a head count for you to prove the point.

Aliens = Far Cry

Mass Effect = Ghost Recon

Black ops 2 = CoD 2

Monster Hunter = Oblivion

Dead Rising being the only Capcom game compared to two of the biggest franchises Capcom have in less then half a year.

Tekken = DoA 4

Then you have Darksiders II, Ninja Gaiden 3, Assassin's Creed, Bayonetta 2, Lego City, Wonderful 101, Zombi U and those are all out in the timeframe of the first year. And some AAA Square Enix game coming.

I'd expect that kind of ignorance to come from cows but you proved me wrong. 360 SUCKED on it's first year. It was only after companies started to see PS3 was failing and companies started expanding their games to 360 that third party support looked a lot more promising.

Wow you couldn't be more wrong. CoD2, Condemned, Fifa 06, Gun, Madden, NBA, Need for Speed, King Kong, Quake 4, Ridge Racer, Tiger woods, Tony hawks ... All 3rd party LAUNCH games.

And after launch, the 360 was getting pretty much every third party game. Dead of Alive 4, Full Auto, Burnout Revenge, GRAW, The Outfit, OBLIVION, Far Cry, Top Spin, Battlefield 2 MC, Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy XI, Xmen, Hitman Blood Money, Chromehounds, Prey, Dead Rising, N3, Enchanted Arms, Saints Row, Test Drive Unlimited, The Godfather, Just Cause, Splinter Cell DA, FEAR, NFS: Carbon, CoD3, Tony Hawks P8, Sonic, WWE, Tom Clancy Rainbow Six, Lost Planet ....

Those are all 3rd party games from 2005/6, the 360s first year on the market.

Compare that to the Wii U which is missing out on Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, GTAV, Crysis 3, Metal Gear Solid, South Park TSOT, Splinter Cell Blacklist, Metro Last Light etc etc. The Wii U is pretty much getting NO major 3rd party support this year

:lol:

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Lol Nintendo doesn't sell for thrid party games. The absolute main reason most people buy a Nintendo product is for their 1st party titles. Nintendoes are typically a second system from your main one. Honestly I'm not even sure why people are fussing this generation for third party support. There can't be that many people who only own a wii and a wii U so they can't pick up these games on other consoles.

Sefrix

It would be highly concerning if you were buying other systems to play multiplats and not first party games. The masses buy Nintendo for Mario, Zelda etc. and they buy Xbox for Halo, Fable etc. but they don't rush out to buy Playstation for Sony's games apart from Gran Turismo.

Look what wonders a lack of system sellers has done for Vita. God of War and Uncharted might sell good numbers but they don't make people rush out to buy a system. If you aren't buying Playstation to play Sony's first party games then why are you buying it? Pretty much every other game is on either Xbox or PC.

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Good to know that Nintendo are covering this issue, if the third-party Western developers are not going to support the Wii-U console then I think Nintendo needs to look at third-part opportunities and indie developers within Japan. Hopefully they can invest in that area and localize the games for the West.
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[QUOTE="Sefrix"]

Lol Nintendo doesn't sell for thrid party games. The absolute main reason most people buy a Nintendo product is for their 1st party titles. Nintendoes are typically a second system from your main one. Honestly I'm not even sure why people are fussing this generation for third party support. There can't be that many people who only own a wii and a wii U so they can't pick up these games on other consoles.

quickposter

It would be highly concerning if you were buying other systems to play multiplats and not first party games. The masses buy Nintendo for Mario, Zelda etc. and they buy Xbox for Halo, Fable etc. but they don't rush out to buy Playstation for Sony's games apart from Gran Turismo.

Look what wonders a lack of system sellers has done for Vita. God of War and Uncharted might sell good numbers but they don't make people rush out to buy a system. If you aren't buying Playstation to play Sony's first party games then why are you buying it? Pretty much every other game is on either Xbox or PC.

I purchased my PS3 for MGS4, inFAMOUS, and Uncharted series. Only 11 out of 24 of my PS3 titles are from 3rd Party developers.

But last gen everyone of my PS2 titles were 3rd Party exclusives or Multiplats.

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Wow you couldn't be more wrong. CoD2, Condemned, Fifa 06, Gun, Madden, NBA, Need for Speed, King Kong, Quake 4, Ridge Racer, Tiger woods, Tony hawks ... All 3rd party LAUNCH games.

And after launch, the 360 was getting pretty much every third party game. Dead of Alive 4, Full Auto, Burnout Revenge, GRAW, The Outfit, OBLIVION, Far Cry, Top Spin, Battlefield 2 MC, Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy XI, Xmen, Hitman Blood Money, Chromehounds, Prey, Dead Rising, N3, Enchanted Arms, Saints Row, Test Drive Unlimited, The Godfather, Just Cause, Splinter Cell DA, FEAR, NFS: Carbon, CoD3, Tony Hawks P8, Sonic, WWE, Tom Clancy Rainbow Six, Lost Planet ....

Those are all 3rd party games from 2005/6, the 360s first year on the market.

Compare that to the Wii U which is missing out on Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, GTAV, Crysis 3, Metal Gear Solid, South Park TSOT, Splinter Cell Blacklist, Metro Last Light etc etc. The Wii U is pretty much getting NO major 3rd party support this year

:lol:

RR360DD

We are really looking at The Outfit, N3 or Full Auto? And to think I was being nice by missing off the obvious leaked games like Sniper Ghost and Splinter Cell. And why do you think GTA V was delayed exactly? To add inflatable goats? No Nintendo talked them into a day and date release. But I don't care about GTA anymore because GTA IV sucked.

Wii U will likely get late ports like DoA 5 or possibly Hitman. Need for Speed has an alternative on the first year (again this is a first year basis). Those rubbish sports games plague every launch but your list seems desperate in which it pulls every mediocre game it can get ahold of. As I said above, I even left out the games which were leaked for you. To say "oh noez Wii U is missing 'insert multiplat here'" is like saying "oh noez PS3 is missing out on 'insert 360 release of 2006 here'".

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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Wow you couldn't be more wrong. CoD2, Condemned, Fifa 06, Gun, Madden, NBA, Need for Speed, King Kong, Quake 4, Ridge Racer, Tiger woods, Tony hawks ... All 3rd party LAUNCH games.

And after launch, the 360 was getting pretty much every third party game. Dead of Alive 4, Full Auto, Burnout Revenge, GRAW, The Outfit, OBLIVION, Far Cry, Top Spin, Battlefield 2 MC, Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy XI, Xmen, Hitman Blood Money, Chromehounds, Prey, Dead Rising, N3, Enchanted Arms, Saints Row, Test Drive Unlimited, The Godfather, Just Cause, Splinter Cell DA, FEAR, NFS: Carbon, CoD3, Tony Hawks P8, Sonic, WWE, Tom Clancy Rainbow Six, Lost Planet ....

Those are all 3rd party games from 2005/6, the 360s first year on the market.

Compare that to the Wii U which is missing out on Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, GTAV, Crysis 3, Metal Gear Solid, South Park TSOT, Splinter Cell Blacklist, Metro Last Light etc etc. The Wii U is pretty much getting NO major 3rd party support this year

:lol:

quickposter

We are really looking at The Outfit, N3 or Full Auto? And to think I was being nice by missing off the obvious leaked games like Sniper Ghost and Splinter Cell. And why do you think GTA V was delayed exactly? To add inflatable goats? No Nintendo talked them into a day and date release. But I don't care about GTA anymore because GTA IV sucked.

Wii U will likely get late ports like DoA 5 or possibly Hitman. Need for Speed has an alternative on the first year (again this is a first year basis). Those rubbish sports games plague every launch but your list seems desperate in which it pulls every mediocre game it can get ahold of. As I said above, I even left out the games which were leaked for you. To say "oh noez Wii U is missing 'insert multiplat here'" is like saying "oh noez PS3 is missing out on 'insert 360 release of 2006 here'".

Wow you still don't understand. When did Microsoft hold a talk to address lack of 3rd party support for the 360? OH THATS RIGHT THEY DIDN'T because the 360 was getting all major 3rd party support from DAY 1.

EVEN NINTENDO understands the issue with the Wii U here (hence the talk), its time you open your eyes and accept it too.

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well, unity support is nice i guess.
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[QUOTE="quickposter"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Wow you couldn't be more wrong. CoD2, Condemned, Fifa 06, Gun, Madden, NBA, Need for Speed, King Kong, Quake 4, Ridge Racer, Tiger woods, Tony hawks ... All 3rd party LAUNCH games.

And after launch, the 360 was getting pretty much every third party game. Dead of Alive 4, Full Auto, Burnout Revenge, GRAW, The Outfit, OBLIVION, Far Cry, Top Spin, Battlefield 2 MC, Tomb Raider, Final Fantasy XI, Xmen, Hitman Blood Money, Chromehounds, Prey, Dead Rising, N3, Enchanted Arms, Saints Row, Test Drive Unlimited, The Godfather, Just Cause, Splinter Cell DA, FEAR, NFS: Carbon, CoD3, Tony Hawks P8, Sonic, WWE, Tom Clancy Rainbow Six, Lost Planet ....

Those are all 3rd party games from 2005/6, the 360s first year on the market.

Compare that to the Wii U which is missing out on Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, GTAV, Crysis 3, Metal Gear Solid, South Park TSOT, Splinter Cell Blacklist, Metro Last Light etc etc. The Wii U is pretty much getting NO major 3rd party support this year

:lol:

RR360DD

We are really looking at The Outfit, N3 or Full Auto? And to think I was being nice by missing off the obvious leaked games like Sniper Ghost and Splinter Cell. And why do you think GTA V was delayed exactly? To add inflatable goats? No Nintendo talked them into a day and date release. But I don't care about GTA anymore because GTA IV sucked.

Wii U will likely get late ports like DoA 5 or possibly Hitman. Need for Speed has an alternative on the first year (again this is a first year basis). Those rubbish sports games plague every launch but your list seems desperate in which it pulls every mediocre game it can get ahold of. As I said above, I even left out the games which were leaked for you. To say "oh noez Wii U is missing 'insert multiplat here'" is like saying "oh noez PS3 is missing out on 'insert 360 release of 2006 here'".

Wow you still don't understand. When did Microsoft hold a talk to address lack of 3rd party support for the 360? OH THATS RIGHT THEY DIDN'T because the 360 was getting all major 3rd party support from DAY 1.

EVEN NINTENDO understands the issue with the Wii U here (hence the talk), its time you open your eyes and accept it too.

It isn't really addressing lack of 3rd party support. It is that Nintendo is looking to expand their software developing partners through collaboration, merging IPs (Similar to Pokémon+Nobunaga's Ambition and Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem), and Founding other developers projects.

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And some AAA Square Enix game coming.

quickposter
it's coming alright... just like versus XIII :P
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Wow you still don't understand. When did Microsoft hold a talk to address lack of 3rd party support for the 360? OH THATS RIGHT THEY DIDN'T because the 360 was getting all major 3rd party support from DAY 1.

EVEN NINTENDO understands the issue with the Wii U here (hence the talk), its time you open your eyes and accept it too.

RR360DD

Accept what? I just said I have more third party games on my Wii U then 360 at this point. For a first year run that is very good third party support. I would rather have 10 quality games then holes being filled with 20 bad ones. Its obvious Nintendo is holding it's cards close to it's chest.

What exactly does it take to make people happy? Vita and Wii U have WAY more quality titles in their launch lineups and both had promising games in the pipeline but for people like you it isn't good enough. You claim there is an issue but there isn't. Us Wii U and Vita owners were having a ball on systems for launch titles.

They have said multiple times there is more in the pipeline for this year and it will be revealed in time and TBH they are doing it right. How long were PS3 owners waiting on some of the games Sony showed? I'd rather have things announced just months away from release rather then talk about something from years down the line.

Point in case, if Nintendo is addressing this issue its an issue which isn't too big yet.

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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Wow you still don't understand. When did Microsoft hold a talk to address lack of 3rd party support for the 360? OH THATS RIGHT THEY DIDN'T because the 360 was getting all major 3rd party support from DAY 1.

EVEN NINTENDO understands the issue with the Wii U here (hence the talk), its time you open your eyes and accept it too.

quickposter

Accept what? I just said I have more third party games on my Wii U then 360 at this point. For a first year run that is very good third party support. I would rather have 10 quality games then holes being filled with 20 bad ones. Its obvious Nintendo is holding it's cards close to it's chest.

What exactly does it take to make people happy? Vita and Wii U have WAY more quality titles in their launch lineups and both had promising games in the pipeline but for people like you it isn't good enough. You claim there is an issue but there isn't. Us Wii U and Vita owners were having a ball on systems for launch titles.

They have said multiple times there is more in the pipeline for this year and it will be revealed in time and TBH they are doing it right. How long were PS3 owners waiting on some of the games Sony showed? I'd rather have things announced just months away from release rather then talk about something from years down the line.

Point in case, if Nintendo is addressing this issue its an issue which isn't too big yet.

You're completely missing the point.

Why is the Wii U not getting games like Crysis 3 or Bioshock Infinite or Tomb Raider or Metro Last Light? These are some of the biggest 3rd party games this year. The 360 never had this issue at launch, all the big 3rd party games were getting 360 versions.

""In many ways we would argue that what we're describing as 'Gen 4' is yet to come. It's that that we're excited about, and that's what we're investing in." EA, second biggest publisher, has practically came out and said he's ignoring the Wii U. If thats not a cause for concern, I don't know what is.

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[QUOTE="quickposter"]

[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Wow you still don't understand. When did Microsoft hold a talk to address lack of 3rd party support for the 360? OH THATS RIGHT THEY DIDN'T because the 360 was getting all major 3rd party support from DAY 1.

EVEN NINTENDO understands the issue with the Wii U here (hence the talk), its time you open your eyes and accept it too.

RR360DD

Accept what? I just said I have more third party games on my Wii U then 360 at this point. For a first year run that is very good third party support. I would rather have 10 quality games then holes being filled with 20 bad ones. Its obvious Nintendo is holding it's cards close to it's chest.

What exactly does it take to make people happy? Vita and Wii U have WAY more quality titles in their launch lineups and both had promising games in the pipeline but for people like you it isn't good enough. You claim there is an issue but there isn't. Us Wii U and Vita owners were having a ball on systems for launch titles.

They have said multiple times there is more in the pipeline for this year and it will be revealed in time and TBH they are doing it right. How long were PS3 owners waiting on some of the games Sony showed? I'd rather have things announced just months away from release rather then talk about something from years down the line.

Point in case, if Nintendo is addressing this issue its an issue which isn't too big yet.

You're completely missing the point.

Why is the Wii U not getting games like Crysis 3 or Bioshock Infinite or Tomb Raider or Metro Last Light? These are some of the biggest 3rd party games this year. The 360 never had this issue at launch, all the big 3rd party games were getting 360 versions.

""In many ways we would argue that what we're describing as 'Gen 4' is yet to come. It's that that we're excited about, and that's what we're investing in." EA, second biggest publisher, has practically came out and said he's ignoring the Wii U. If thats not a cause for concern, I don't know what is.

In that same article he also said "So, couple of things. First, you never count Nintendo out. They've got some of the best IPs in the game industry, when their marquee titles show up, that's when you usually see the bounce. I'm deeply respectful of the achievements they've had over the last several years, and so yeah, never really count them out."

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#35 jer_1
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The WiiU has been a pretty massive let down at this point. I can only hope that nintendo as a whole stop being dipsh!ts and actually get some of the 3rd parties back to the table. They have a weak system, which was a horrid idea but I still bought one in the hopes that eventually the system would shine. Hopefully these morons don't keep me waiting too damn long. 

 

Thankfully PC will always be the best gaming system so I can at least rely on it for some real gaming sessions, I haven't got any serious gaming out of my WiiU up to this point.

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Good, they really need them. Pikmin 3 is the only game that I can think of buying at this time, and it's not coming out soon.
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You're completely missing the point.

Why is the Wii U not getting games like Crysis 3 or Bioshock Infinite or Tomb Raider or Metro Last Light? These are some of the biggest 3rd party games this year. The 360 never had this issue at launch, all the big 3rd party games were getting 360 versions.

""In many ways we would argue that what we're describing as 'Gen 4' is yet to come. It's that that we're excited about, and that's what we're investing in." EA, second biggest publisher, has practically came out and said he's ignoring the Wii U. If thats not a cause for concern, I don't know what is.

RR360DD

Those games have been in development for years. Wii U is rather late and this isn't an issue to worry about right now. Now if it gets to mid - late 2014 and things aren't as squeaky as they are now I will ask questions but saying Wii U is missing these is like highlighting a big release on Wii U that the others will miss next year. Its more timing then anything.

For EA if they are seriously backing new systems which put power above everything else then they better hope they do well. The more powerful they are the more money they will cost and these systems are not likely to see returns on money for at least a year (software wise). So Microsoft and Sony have absolutely no room for mistakes if they want a feasible install base. Sure THEY might define next gen as that but do consumers? If consumers don't they will suddenly "change" their definition of what next gen is. The main problem there is that we are in a recession now and people won't just run to shops in droves to buy a system (especially in Europe).

But I can understand what you are getting at.

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[QUOTE="RR360DD"]

[QUOTE="quickposter"]

Accept what? I just said I have more third party games on my Wii U then 360 at this point. For a first year run that is very good third party support. I would rather have 10 quality games then holes being filled with 20 bad ones. Its obvious Nintendo is holding it's cards close to it's chest.

What exactly does it take to make people happy? Vita and Wii U have WAY more quality titles in their launch lineups and both had promising games in the pipeline but for people like you it isn't good enough. You claim there is an issue but there isn't. Us Wii U and Vita owners were having a ball on systems for launch titles.

They have said multiple times there is more in the pipeline for this year and it will be revealed in time and TBH they are doing it right. How long were PS3 owners waiting on some of the games Sony showed? I'd rather have things announced just months away from release rather then talk about something from years down the line.

Point in case, if Nintendo is addressing this issue its an issue which isn't too big yet.

Nintendo_Ownes7

You're completely missing the point.

Why is the Wii U not getting games like Crysis 3 or Bioshock Infinite or Tomb Raider or Metro Last Light? These are some of the biggest 3rd party games this year. The 360 never had this issue at launch, all the big 3rd party games were getting 360 versions.

""In many ways we would argue that what we're describing as 'Gen 4' is yet to come. It's that that we're excited about, and that's what we're investing in." EA, second biggest publisher, has practically came out and said he's ignoring the Wii U. If thats not a cause for concern, I don't know what is.

In that same article he also said "So, couple of things. First, you never count Nintendo out. They've got some of the best IPs in the game industry, when their marquee titles show up, that's when you usually see the bounce. I'm deeply respectful of the achievements they've had over the last several years, and so yeah, never really count them out."

Which means he respects Nintendo for their 1st party games. EAs highest selling Wii game was freaking Monopoly. Its pretty clear the type of support they'll be giving the Wii U (if any) Crytek have so much as said they aren't putting Crysis 3 on Wii U because EA won't let them.

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#39 LegatoSkyheart
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Wow, Put Iwata's Job on the line and Iwata is now Damage Controlling like a boss.

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QuickPoster is deluded.

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#41 fernandmondego_
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LOL no it doesn't. Go pick up a history book

quickposter

Then why is it the only third party games I had on 360 in the first year were DoA 4, Far Cry and Gears? And lets not even go there with PS3. Delays and cancels up the backside. Some still haven't surfaced to this day (Versus XIII anyone).

I can actually do a head count for you to prove the point.

Aliens = Far Cry

Mass Effect = Ghost Recon

Black ops 2 = CoD 2

Monster Hunter = Oblivion

Dead Rising being the only Capcom game compared to two of the biggest franchises Capcom have in less then half a year.

Tekken = DoA 4

Then you have Darksiders II, Ninja Gaiden 3, Assassin's Creed, Bayonetta 2, Lego City, Wonderful 101, Zombi U and those are all out in the timeframe of the first year. And some AAA Square Enix game coming.

I'd expect that kind of ignorance to come from cows but you proved me wrong. 360 SUCKED on it's first year. It was only after companies started to see PS3 was failing and companies started expanding their games to 360 that third party support looked a lot more promising.

LOL you're kidding?
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LOL you're kidding?fernandmondego_

No I think I am serious. As far as I'm concerned the quality releases 360 had can be counteracted with some quality game existing on Wii U. But overall I say it is a better year. Like I said I would rather have 1 Bayonetta 2 then Rockstar Table Tennis, Full Auto, The Outfit, Gun or Ninety Nine Nights.

Quality > Quantity.

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Wow, Put Iwata's Job on the line and Iwata is now Damage Controlling like a boss.

LegatoSkyheart
wasn't he the one that put his own job on the line? lol
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[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]LOL you're kidding?quickposter

No I think I am serious. As far as I'm concerned the quality releases 360 had can be counteracted with some quality game existing on Wii U. But overall I say it is a better year. Like I said I would rather have 1 Bayonetta 2 then Rockstar Table Tennis, Full Auto, The Outfit, Gun or Ninety Nine Nights.

Quality > Quantity.

Bayonetta, LEGO City and 101 are not third party games. WiiU is only getting some ports from 3rd parties. 360 didn't live on old ports, it got new games designed around it. Funny you talk about quality after bringing up NG3 and ZombiU.
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[QUOTE="quickposter"]

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]LOL you're kidding?fernandmondego_

No I think I am serious. As far as I'm concerned the quality releases 360 had can be counteracted with some quality game existing on Wii U. But overall I say it is a better year. Like I said I would rather have 1 Bayonetta 2 then Rockstar Table Tennis, Full Auto, The Outfit, Gun or Ninety Nine Nights.

Quality > Quantity.

Bayonetta, LEGO City and 101 are not third party games. WiiU is only getting some ports from 3rd parties. 360 didn't live on old ports, it got new games designed around it. Funny you talk about quality after bringing up NG3 and ZombiU.

Nevermind the fact that Bayonetta is owned by SEGA and the LEGO license is in Tt games and WB's hands.

Yes Nintendo is publishing them, but they are under exclusive rights.

By that logic, Final Fantasy VII and the Tekken series (pre-Tekken 6) aren't third party games (nevermind being owned by Square and Namco respectively) because Sony published them.

Final Fantasy VII

Tekken 5

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[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="quickposter"]

No I think I am serious. As far as I'm concerned the quality releases 360 had can be counteracted with some quality game existing on Wii U. But overall I say it is a better year. Like I said I would rather have 1 Bayonetta 2 then Rockstar Table Tennis, Full Auto, The Outfit, Gun or Ninety Nine Nights.

Quality > Quantity.

nintendoboy16

Bayonetta, LEGO City and 101 are not third party games. WiiU is only getting some ports from 3rd parties. 360 didn't live on old ports, it got new games designed around it. Funny you talk about quality after bringing up NG3 and ZombiU.

Nevermind the fact that Bayonetta is owned by SEGA and the LEGO license is in Tt games and WB's hands.

Yes Nintendo is publishing them, but they are under exclusive rights.

By that logic, these aren't third party games because Sony published them.

 

 

It's like Gears of War isn't third party. If the console company pays to develop and publish the game it's a second party game not third party.

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Bayonetta, LEGO City and 101 are not third party games. WiiU is only getting some ports from 3rd parties. 360 didn't live on old ports, it got new games designed around it. Funny you talk about quality after bringing up NG3 and ZombiU.fernandmondego_

Firstly, they are third party games. Just because Nintendo is publishing them doesn't mean they aren't third party. I highlighted Gears of War as a third party game for 360.

Nextly Wii U has ports but thats because the majority of development these days is spent on multiplats. Or do you seriously think big third party exclusives will show up on the others? No. They will just be ports. It happened with Vita and it happened here. Multiplat ports are going to be the higher focus of third parties these days because development costs are higher. Unless they pay up. Like Lego City and Bayonetta. That is the only way your third party support will stand out next gen.

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sounds like they will be outsourcing IP's to 3rd party developers.
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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"] Bayonetta, LEGO City and 101 are not third party games. WiiU is only getting some ports from 3rd parties. 360 didn't live on old ports, it got new games designed around it. Funny you talk about quality after bringing up NG3 and ZombiU.fernandmondego_

Nevermind the fact that Bayonetta is owned by SEGA and the LEGO license is in Tt games and WB's hands.

Yes Nintendo is publishing them, but they are under exclusive rights.

By that logic, these aren't third party games because Sony published them.

 

 

It's like Gears of War isn't third party. If the console company pays to develop and publish the game it's a second party game not third party.

there's a difference. in microsoft's contract with epic, they claimed ownership of the IP. that's why gears is tied to microsoft.

 

on the other hand, you have nintendo publishing a game, but not buying the rights to the IP. it's a third party game being funded by nintendo, not a nintendo game.

 

following your logic, demon's souls is owned by two different companies.

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[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]Bayonetta, LEGO City and 101 are not third party games. WiiU is only getting some ports from 3rd parties. 360 didn't live on old ports, it got new games designed around it. Funny you talk about quality after bringing up NG3 and ZombiU.quickposter

Firstly, they are third party games. Just because Nintendo is publishing them doesn't mean they aren't third party. I highlighted Gears of War as a third party game for 360.

Nextly Wii U has ports but thats because the majority of development these days is spent on multiplats. Or do you seriously think big third party exclusives will show up on the others? No. They will just be ports. It happened with Vita and it happened here. Multiplat ports are going to be the higher focus of third parties these days because development costs are higher. Unless they pay up. Like Lego City and Bayonetta. That is the only way your third party support will stand out next gen.

Gears of War is second party not third party. As I said, all the WiiU is getting is some old ports, they are not even getting games like BioShock. 360 games were not ports, DOA was exclusive not a port, Saint's Row, Dead Rising, Ghost Recon etc... Third parties actually took the time and expense to build games from the ground up fort he 360, WiiU is only getting old cheap ports and it's not even getting that many of them.