Nintendo to Address Lack of 3rd Party Support at GDC

You sold out to the casuals and now no one want to put games on your underpowered system.Sucks to be a Nintendo fan!(least you still got Mario).

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[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]Also the Wii U is selling either even to the 360 and PS3 in the same time-frame or just a little better. The problem is people are comparing the Wii U's sales to the Wii's while the Wii was an anomaly that it sold so fast.Nintendo_Ownes7

I thought the PS3 had sold 5 million at this point? I would have thought it was selling worse then them but I'd like to be proven wrong there.

I can't find the North American or Japanese figures.

The Wii U is selling about several hundred thousand (worldwide) more than the ps3 was when the launches are aligned.  It's even outselling the 360 by a few hundred thousand.  It is about a few hundred thousand behind the Wii.

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]Actually we technically have been out of the recession for a few years now (though we did contract last quarter). The economy hasn't stopped people from buying PS3 and 360's, Ipads and Iphones etc... You think the economy is going to drive people towards the WiiU? quickposter

Actually I think the economy will push people away from the other two. I'm not sure what part of the world you are from so I'll make this short. Unless you have I-Something in your name you aren't going to sell in the UK as a gadget. The game market here is crumbling.

Unless it is a big franchise which people buy it isn't going to sell at those kinds of prices so you can scrap any chance a daring new IP would have. The problem with these systems is they are in direct competition against each other and after the same "power lover, high tech gadget" market. While things can go wrong for Nintendo things can go just as wrong for the others.

You sold out to the casuals and now no one want to put games on your underpowered system.Sucks to be a Nintendo fan!(least you still got Mario).

OneInchMan99

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You sold out to the casuals and now no one want to put games on your underpowered system.Sucks to be a Nintendo fan!(least you still got Mario).

fernandmondego_

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="OneInchMan99"]

You sold out to the casuals and now no one want to put games on your underpowered system.Sucks to be a Nintendo fan!(least you still got Mario).

Nintendo_Ownes7

You sold out to the casuals and now no one want to put games on your underpowered system.Sucks to be a Nintendo fan!(least you still got Mario).

OneInchMan99

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[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"] To be fair, third parties had abandoned them during the Gamecube.fernandmondego_

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]Actually they started abandoning them with the N64 because they went with cartridges.nintendoboy16

If you are in the UK than you of all people should realize how hard the WiiU has bombed in the UK and the rest of EU. It's not doing great anywhere.fernandmondego_

Actually mysticstryk just proved me wrong. It sounds to do fine if its doing better then PS3 and 360 were. I can understand why it would be beating PS3 though.

But overall Europe is suffering. As far as I am aware none of the new systems are selling as fast as their predecessors were in Europe. It isn't only Wii U. It is everything. But like with any new system it will pick up as more games come out.

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"][QUOTE="fernandmondego_"] That is true, but not the way they did with the Gamecube. fernandmondego_

Mario Sunshine

Eternal Darkness

Zelda Wind Waker

Battalion Wars

Star Fox Adventures

Star Fox Assault

F-Zero GX

Geist

Zelda: Four Swords Adventures

Zelda: Twilight Princess

Pikmin 1 and 2

Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door

Giving up would not be releasing anything at all after a certain time. As for the third party support, there are a few multiplats that WERE still released that weren't sports games.

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]If you are in the UK than you of all people should realize how hard the WiiU has bombed in the UK and the rest of EU. It's not doing great anywhere.quickposter

Actually mysticstryk just proved me wrong. It sounds to do fine if its doing better then PS3 and 360 were. I can understand why it would be beating PS3 though.

But overall Europe is suffering. As far as I am aware none of the new systems are selling as fast as their predecessors were in Europe. It isn't only Wii U. It is everything. But like with any new system it will pick up as more games come out.

The Wii U is indeed doing terrible in Europe, especially the UK.  However it has opened strong in the US and Japan, which is why it is ahead of the ps3 and 360 launches.

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] No, 64 was even worse. At least more third parties gave the GameCube a shot.nintendoboy16

Mario Sunshine

Eternal Darkness

Zelda Wind Waker

Battalion Wars

Star Fox Adventures

Star Fox Assault

F-Zero GX

Geist

Zelda: Four Swords Adventures

Zelda: Twilight Princess

Pikmin 1 and 2

Giving up would not be releasing anything at all. As for the third party support, there are a few multiplats that WERE still released that weren't sports games.

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]If you are in the UK than you of all people should realize how hard the WiiU has bombed in the UK and the rest of EU. It's not doing great anywhere.quickposter

Actually mysticstryk just proved me wrong. It sounds to do fine if its doing better then PS3 and 360 were. I can understand why it would be beating PS3 though.

But overall Europe is suffering. As far as I am aware none of the new systems are selling as fast as their predecessors were in Europe. It isn't only Wii U. It is everything. But like with any new system it will pick up as more games come out.

Btw, WiiU released in November of 2012 and PS3 on November of 2006.  For their launch (November) the WiiU sold more than the PS3 but for December the PS3 sold more at $600.  

PS3 sales went up when they later dropped the price but they took massive losses.

The Wii U is indeed doing terrible in Europe, especially the UK.  However it has opened strong in the US and Japan, which is why it is ahead of the ps3 and 360 launches.

mysticstryk

I can't say i'm surprised. I have seen about 5 adverts total. Nintendo seem to want to take it on tours then advertise it. There have been way more 3DS adverts. I saw more Vita posters around when that launched (which weren't many anyway). Both Vita and Wii U are terribly under advertised here. I am telling people how good it is and some people are buying it. My brother (who is the king of motion control haters) admitted he was impressed with two features it has. Wii U will be more accepted by core gamers I think because even the people who bash it seem to use it as a games console and not a toy which is what a lot claimed to use Wii for.

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[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]No, the Gamecube was much worse. After 2 years it would for the most part just get the yearly sports games, even Nintendo gave up on it.Nintendo_Ownes7

Mario Sunshine

Eternal Darkness

Zelda Wind Waker

Battalion Wars

Star Fox Adventures

Star Fox Assault

F-Zero GX

Geist

Zelda: Four Swords Adventures

Zelda: Twilight Princess

Pikmin 1 and 2

Giving up would not be releasing anything at all. As for the third party support, there are a few multiplats that WERE still released that weren't sports games.

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The Wii U is indeed doing terrible in Europe, especially the UK.  However it has opened strong in the US and Japan, which is why it is ahead of the ps3 and 360 launches.

quickposter

I can't say i'm surprised. I have seen about 5 adverts total. Nintendo seem to want to take it on tours then advertise it. There have been way more 3DS adverts. I saw more Vita posters around when that launched (which weren't many anyway). Both Vita and Wii U are terribly under advertised here. I am telling people how good it is and some people are buying it. My brother (who is the king of motion control haters) admitted he was impressed with two features it has. Wii U will be more accepted by core gamers I think because even the people who bash it seem to use it as a games console and not a toy which is what a lot claimed to use Wii for.

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[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] How did Nintendo give up on the GameCube when they threw out...

Mario Sunshine

Eternal Darkness

Zelda Wind Waker

Battalion Wars

Star Fox Adventures

Star Fox Assault

F-Zero GX

Geist

Zelda: Four Swords Adventures

Zelda: Twilight Princess

Pikmin 1 and 2

Giving up would not be releasing anything at all. As for the third party support, there are a few multiplats that WERE still released that weren't sports games.

fernandmondego_

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]Also the same year the Wii released Nintendo released: Baten Kaitos Origins (Japan and North America only), Chibi-Robo!, Odama, and Twilight Princess (Those were all released in 2006 for the GCN)

Nintendo_Ownes7

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[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"] Most of those games released prior to 2005 which is when Nintendo pretty much gave up. After that it only released shovelware on it. In fact, I'm not sure they even developed a game for the GC after 2004 other than TP which they delayed to release as a Wii launch tittle.fernandmondego_

Nintendo still published those games. That's FAR from giving up.

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[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"] Most of those games released prior to 2005 which is when Nintendo pretty much gave up. After that it only released shovelware on it. In fact, I'm not sure they even developed a game for the GC after 2004 other than TP which they delayed to release as a Wii launch tittle.fernandmondego_

Chibi-Robo! has a 75/100 on Metacritic
Odama has a 62/100 on Metacritic
Baten Kaitos Origins has a 75/100 on Metacritic

So only 1/3 of them had bad reviews.

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]Chibi-Robo! was developed by Skip which is a 2nd Party Developer, Odama was developed by Vivarium which made the Seaman games, Nintendo only published Baten Kaitos Origins but they ended up purchasing the developer in 2007.

nintendoboy16

Nintendo still published those games. That's FAR from giving up.

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[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]Exactly, none of them were made by Nintendo themselves and they were for the most part Shovelware. fernandmondego_

Nintendo still published those games. That's FAR from giving up.

Chibi-Robo got reviewed and received good reception.

Not every game has to be a heavy hitter. Small game or not, it's still far from giving up.

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What lack of third party support? It has more third party support then PS3 and 360 had on their first years. People seriously forget how bad console launches can really be.

I hope that 720 and PS4 not having PS360 levels of third party support will open those eyes.

3DS gets good third party support its just that games don't get localized often. Hopefully we see an improvement.

mariokart64fan

LOL no it doesn't. Go pick up a history book

Once again flapping shlt.

We're talking 3rd party games here, so why are you listing a load of 1st party.

And Secondly, none of those games are "month 2" so what the hell are you on about.

There is no lack of third-party support. Butthurt is deep with this one. Behold the studios already having games on the Wii U: 1.TECMOKOEI 2.Ubisoft 2.EA 3.Bioware 4.Rocksteady 5.WB games 6.Activision 7.Square Enix 8.2K sports 9.Visual Concepts 10.Eurocom 11.THQ(Deceased) 12.Pipeworks Software 13.D3 14.Disney 15.Junction Point 16.Team Ninja 17.Sega 18.Namco 19.505 games 20.Vicious Cycle Software. That's already 20 third-party devs, more than the 360 and PS3 individually, and over half of the PS3 and 360 PUT TOGETHER launch 3rd-party software. Wii U is on train to purify the ignorant gamer with its innovative technology and dual GPU tech.StaticOnTV

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"] If they were shovelware, why did they receive good reception?

Nintendo still published those games. That's FAR from giving up.

nintendoboy16

Chibi-Robo got reviewed and received good reception.

Not every game has to be a heavy hitter. Small game or not, it's still far from giving up.

[QUOTE="StaticOnTV"]There is no lack of third-party support. Butthurt is deep with this one. Behold the studios already having games on the Wii U: 1.TECMOKOEI 2.Ubisoft 2.EA 3.Bioware 4.Rocksteady 5.WB games 6.Activision 7.Square Enix 8.2K sports 9.Visual Concepts 10.Eurocom 11.THQ(Deceased) 12.Pipeworks Software 13.D3 14.Disney 15.Junction Point 16.Team Ninja 17.Sega 18.Namco 19.505 games 20.Vicious Cycle Software. That's already 20 third-party devs, more than the 360 and PS3 individually, and over half of the PS3 and 360 PUT TOGETHER launch 3rd-party software. Wii U is on train to purify the ignorant gamer with its innovative technology and dual GPU tech.Nintendo_Ownes7

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I thought they were having a nintendo direct in a couple weeks focusing exclusively on 3rd party games?

Nintendo_Ownes7

They mentioned that you could make Wii U games with HTML5, Javascript, or with the Unity Engine.

To be honest, i hope that isn't all it is (though it seems logical). I have to imagine nintendo has at least one surprise under their belt in terms of 3rd party. 

hopefully wii u gets decent 3rd party support, though its almost not worth it if the console is going to show off games that are at a level or two below their next gen counterparts. Honestly I would love nothing more than a console with nintendo titles and strong 3rd party support that visually is on par with it's competitor consoles. 

I mean the wii was okay because it was cheap enough that people didn't mind investing the money to have it as the social console (the one where you invite friends over and play wii sports and smash bros) as a complement to your primary gaming device.

But the Wii U is $300-$350, and while dual screens are kind of cool on a portable where the graphics aren't as big of a concern, on a home console i like my consoles to have at least some staying power. I'm not into the 10 year generations that people throw out for this next gen, i always felt 5-6 year iterations were healthier for the industry, but if we get another nintendo gen like the last one where the console doesn't age well at all, i'll be pretty bummed.

Though hopefully it will give nintendo the swift kick to the rear to regain their senses and get back to doing what they used to do best: making great, innovative software for their hardware, not the other way around. 

note: I have a wii u and it's a lot of fun, but im not gonna lie and say im not a bit apprehensive towards what it will be like 2-3 years from now. 

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[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"]No, they did pretty much give up which is why they moved TP over to the Wii. Odama 6.6, Chibi-Robo didn't even get reviewed and Baten Kaitos was the only decent one with a 7.5. Where are their heavy hitters?fernandmondego_

Chibi-Robo got reviewed and received good reception.

Not every game has to be a heavy hitter. Small game or not, it's still far from giving up.

[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"][QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Nevermind the fact that Twilight Princess STILL released for the GameCube.

Chibi-Robo got reviewed and received good reception.

Not every game has to be a heavy hitter. Small game or not, it's still far from giving up.

nintendoboy16

I wouldn't buy a 3rd party game on the Wii U even if it did have the support.

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[QUOTE="fernandmondego_"] They didn't released any heavy hitters since Metroid Prime 2 till the Wii launched. That is abandonment. Brute Force was also reviewed, it scored better. Btw, what do you think of Rare?fernandmondego_

I wouldn't buy a 3rd party game on the Wii U even if it did have the support.

TheEpicGoat

why not??