Nintendo: Were Sorry About E3!

If those games could have been done last gen they wouldn't have gotten perfect reviews.DireToad

not necessarily, it could all just be a question of polish

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="mdisen"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

If Nintendo thinks that a lack of Mario and Zelda are the only reason people are angry, they clearly have no understanding of what the problem is.

mdisen

Why is an anti-Nintendo fanboy such as yourself so insulted by Nintendo? Perhaps because you want to be?

The only difference between the Gamecube and the Wii is that the Wii is successful. Nintendo is popular again = Nintendo hate. The Wii is on track to have a significantly better software lineup than the Gamecube ever had.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

please, inform me how so...

SpruceCaboose

You are correct. Games have not changed at all since last generation. Only thing that has changed is visuals.

Sorry, if you feel that way and you don't see any other changes, I got nothing for you.

no, i didnt say it like it was a rhetorical remark.

im serious, how couldnt they be done last gen?

i have GTA4 and MGS4, besides the graphics, i dont see what couldnt have been done last gen.

but im willing to change my opinion if you show me something i havent noticed about those games...

Not positive on the AI in MGS4 as I haven't tried it yet, but the framework under GTA IV (AI, animations, physics (body and object) and the much more persistant assets would not have been possible on older hardware.

Mass Effect could probably have been done on older systems.

with GTA4, although i agree a little on the physics part, it seems like they sacrified that for pop-ups and framerate dips... or maybe thats just how my 360 version is

i think their goal is farther than their reach. just like Hideo Kojima said, "the hardware this gen is not ready for a 'real next gen' game"... or somewhere along those lines

[QUOTE="st1ka"][QUOTE="stvee101"]

Oblivion? GTA4?Dead Rising? I'm no lemming,guess they could throw some more in there. :P

And when you talk about "severe graphical down-grade" are we talking about so severe it starts to impact on gameplay?

stvee101

no im not talking about affecting the gameplay, i havent played GTA 4 nor dead rising.

As for oblivion could last gen consoles create an oblivion type game?

the answer is yes

Gimped to the detriment of the gameplay imo. Fog was really bad in places.

maybe so, but everything else was there wasnt it? and yes the game had fog i wouldnt say to the point of detrimating the gameplay

[QUOTE="mdisen"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="mdisen"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="sonicmj1"]

If Nintendo thinks that a lack of Mario and Zelda are the only reason people are angry, they clearly have no understanding of what the problem is.

DireToad

Why is an anti-Nintendo fanboy such as yourself so insulted by Nintendo? Perhaps because you want to be?

The only difference between the Gamecube and the Wii is that the Wii is successful. Nintendo is popular again = Nintendo hate. The Wii is on track to have a significantly better software lineup than the Gamecube ever had.

Read the bolded statement. Yeah the wii is already having more mature games than GC could have (NMH, MadWorld, FF IV, etc.), the wii released its big guns from nintendo on its first and a half year (SMG, MP3, SSBB,etc.),etc.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="EVOLV3"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]

[QUOTE="EVOLV3"]http://www.bingegamer.net/index.php/2008/nintendo-were-sorry

Dam right your sorry.heretrix

Can you say you honestly cared one way of the other?

I care more about the girl in EVOLV3's sig.

Megan Fox?

nope, she's from transformers: the movie

She was also in the show Two And A Half Men. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckY9_ZBVg-I :)

Nintendo's first party stuff is crap.

Inly the 3rd party games are/will be good.

They thought true gamers and true Nintendo fans understood that they don't show major "core" games at E3 anymore.

Anyone who is mad at Nintendo's E3 is basically saying "I don't follow the news about Nintendo"

There's no other way around it

Jaysonguy

Nintendo is like an abusive spouse. You're in love, then he smacks you around a little, then he's all "aww baby, I'm sorry".
Teufelhuhn

Are you a girl?

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="mdisen"]

The only difference between the Gamecube and the Wii is that the Wii is successful. Nintendo is popular again = Nintendo hate. The Wii is on track to have a significantly better software lineup than the Gamecube ever had.

lordlors

Read the bolded statement. Yeah the wii is already having more mature games than GC could have (NMH, MadWorld, FF IV, etc.), the wii released its big guns from nintendo on its first and a half year (SMG, MP3, SSBB,etc.),etc.

I don't care about games being mature. I care about games being good.

Take a look at the Wii's library. Remove all the VC games and last gen ports and take a look at it.
Now look at the Gamecube's library.

Don't tell me they're the same thing. The Wii has a long way to go before it reaches the GC's software quality and it's not with Wii Music or a half assed Spore version that it will get there.


You know things are bad for the Wii when I'm praising the GC's library in comparison.DireToad

your statements are ILLOGICAL meaning contradictory. The Gamecube's life has ended and the wii's life hasn't yet. The wii is still getting games and it's still far away for this gen to be over. If you want to be LOGICAL, compare the GC's life that is equivalent to the wii's life right now. I think it's almost 2 years.

I don't care about games being mature. I care about games being good.

Take a look at the Wii's library. Remove all the VC games and last gen ports and take a look at it.
Now look at the Gamecube's library.

Don't tell me they're the same thing. The Wii has a long way to go before it reaches the GC's software quality and it's not with Wii Music or a half assed Spore version that it will get there.


You know things are bad for the Wii when I'm praising the GC's library in comparison.DireToad

Compare any current gen console with the GCN's library. The GCN has been out for alot longer, if you could compare from time of release, that would make sense.

Plus the GCN does have more Gamespot GOTYs(3) then any other console, so it's library isn't exactly terrible....

They could have shown madworld,wario shake it,conduiet and then animal crossing. I mean seriously WTF. They have games coming out that looks fun,but they show crap insted. Good job nintendo.finalfantasy94

So what!? Most of the so called hardcore gamers here in SW are like babies whining whining if they don't get what they want. Yes selfish kids and babies are like that. You should be greatful. Madworld, The Conduit,etc. are coming to the wii.Blizzard one of the best PC devs isn't even in the E3. E3!=everything about video games and the video game industry.

[QUOTE="DireToad"]


I don't care about games being mature. I care about games being good.

Take a look at the Wii's library. Remove all the VC games and last gen ports and take a look at it.
Now look at the Gamecube's library.

Don't tell me they're the same thing. The Wii has a long way to go before it reaches the GC's software quality and it's not with Wii Music or a half assed Spore version that it will get there.


You know things are bad for the Wii when I'm praising the GC's library in comparison.lordlors

your statements are ILLOGICAL meaning contradictory. The Gamecube's life has ended and the wii's life hasn't yet. The wii is still getting games and it's still far away for this gen to be over. If you want to be LOGICAL, compare the GC's life that is equivalent to the wii's life right now. I think it's almost 2 years.

[QUOTE="lordlors"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]


I don't care about games being mature. I care about games being good.

Take a look at the Wii's library. Remove all the VC games and last gen ports and take a look at it.
Now look at the Gamecube's library.

Don't tell me they're the same thing. The Wii has a long way to go before it reaches the GC's software quality and it's not with Wii Music or a half assed Spore version that it will get there.


You know things are bad for the Wii when I'm praising the GC's library in comparison.DireToad

your statements are ILLOGICAL meaning contradictory. The Gamecube's life has ended and the wii's life hasn't yet. The wii is still getting games and it's still far away for this gen to be over. If you want to be LOGICAL, compare the GC's life that is equivalent to the wii's life right now. I think it's almost 2 years.

irrelevant. non sequitur

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]They could have shown madworld,wario shake it,conduiet and then animal crossing. I mean seriously WTF. They have games coming out that looks fun,but they show crap insted. Good job nintendo.lordlors

So what!? Most of the so called hardcore gamers here in SW are like babies whining whining if they don't get what they want. Yes selfish kids and babies are like that. You should be greatful. Madworld, The Conduit,etc. are coming to the wii.Blizzard one of the best PC devs isn't even in the E3. E3!=everything about video games and the video game industry.

[QUOTE="lordlors"]

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]They could have shown madworld,wario shake it,conduiet and then animal crossing. I mean seriously WTF. They have games coming out that looks fun,but they show crap insted. Good job nintendo.death919

So what!? Most of the so called hardcore gamers here in SW are like babies whining whining if they don't get what they want. Yes selfish kids and babies are like that. You should be greatful. Madworld, The Conduit,etc. are coming to the wii.Blizzard one of the best PC devs isn't even in the E3. E3!=everything about video games and the video game industry.

that i wholly agree. After all, i grew up with blizzard not nintendo although i started with Mario.

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="lordlors"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]


I don't care about games being mature. I care about games being good.

Take a look at the Wii's library. Remove all the VC games and last gen ports and take a look at it.
Now look at the Gamecube's library.

Don't tell me they're the same thing. The Wii has a long way to go before it reaches the GC's software quality and it's not with Wii Music or a half assed Spore version that it will get there.


You know things are bad for the Wii when I'm praising the GC's library in comparison.lordlors

your statements are ILLOGICAL meaning contradictory. The Gamecube's life has ended and the wii's life hasn't yet. The wii is still getting games and it's still far away for this gen to be over. If you want to be LOGICAL, compare the GC's life that is equivalent to the wii's life right now. I think it's almost 2 years.

irrelevant. non sequitur

I could really care less about Zelda and Mario heck we already got

Mario galaxy and Zelda Tp i havent enven beat both of thoes games

nintendo needs to make new Franchises and but Zelda and Mario for rest for a long time !!!!!

:lol:

OMG

"We're sorry" aka.....we misjudged how big of a negative reaction we would get from showing nothing.

[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]They could have shown madworld,wario shake it,conduiet and then animal crossing. I mean seriously WTF. They have games coming out that looks fun,but they show crap insted. Good job nintendo.lordlors

So what!? Most of the so called hardcore gamers here in SW are like babies whining whining if they don't get what they want. Yes selfish kids and babies are like that. You should be greatful. Madworld, The Conduit,etc. are coming to the wii.Blizzard one of the best PC devs isn't even in the E3. E3!=everything about video games and the video game industry.

Umm I do own a PS3 and 360 so my hardcore needs are met. I just wish nintendo would wave their hands and say "we do have more core games coming" it would have made them look good at E3. Instead they are getting smashed by everyone.

:lol:

OMG

"We're sorry" aka.....we misjudged how big of a negative reaction we would get from showing nothing.

MikeE21286

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

:lol:

OMG

"We're sorry" aka.....we misjudged how big of a negative reaction we would get from showing nothing.

Blue-Sphere

You should get rid of your Wii

I know I am

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

They thought true gamers and true Nintendo fans understood that they don't show major "core" games at E3 anymore.

Anyone who is mad at Nintendo's E3 is basically saying "I don't follow the news about Nintendo"

There's no other way around it

death919

No, no he didn't

Well, to look on the bright side, at least we can say for sure that Nintendo is acutely aware that core gamers are severely disappointed. Of course they've always been asked about core games, but after E3, just about every interview with Nintendo higher-ups had the question of core games come up at some point.

I suppose now we just have to wait and see whether Nintendo is actually going to act on this criticism, because they're clearly not oblivious to it.

[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

:lol:

OMG

"We're sorry" aka.....we misjudged how big of a negative reaction we would get from showing nothing.

Blue-Sphere

[QUOTE="Blue-Sphere"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

:lol:

OMG

"We're sorry" aka.....we misjudged how big of a negative reaction we would get from showing nothing.

DireToad

I'm confused.....when did Nintendo say that their E3 press conference was an accident or didn't go as planned?

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="Blue-Sphere"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

:lol:

OMG

"We're sorry" aka.....we misjudged how big of a negative reaction we would get from showing nothing.

mjarantilla

I'm confused.....when did Nintendo say that their E3 press conference was an accident or didn't go as planned?

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="Blue-Sphere"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

:lol:

OMG

"We're sorry" aka.....we misjudged how big of a negative reaction we would get from showing nothing.

DireToad

I'm confused.....when did Nintendo say that their E3 press conference was an accident or didn't go as planned?

Because they thought they did a great job at E3 for their main audience, but thought that they didn't do such a great job for their secondary (but still large, and very vocal) audience? Considering that both audiences are almost mutually exclusive of one another, too.

I believe the usual cliche here is, choosing the lesser of two evils, i.e. pissing off the lesser of two audiences.

[QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="DireToad"][QUOTE="Blue-Sphere"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"]

:lol:

OMG

"We're sorry" aka.....we misjudged how big of a negative reaction we would get from showing nothing.

mjarantilla

I'm confused.....when did Nintendo say that their E3 press conference was an accident or didn't go as planned?

Because they thought they did a great job at E3 for their main audience, but thought that they didn't do such a great job for their secondary (but still large, and very vocal) audience? Considering that both audiences are almost mutually exclusive of one another, too.

I believe the usual cliche here is, choosing the lesser of two evils, i.e. pissing off the lesser of two audiences.

I think your post perfectly describes why so many people are disappointed with Nintendo right now.
I think your post perfectly reflects everything that is wrong with Nintendo nowadays.DireToad

Here's the thing about using subjective terms like "so many": you don't know in what context to take it.

If the "so many people" you're talking about are mostly "hardcore" gamers like the ones scouring boards like this, then I'd say that they are irrelevant and Nintendo was right in holding the kind of press conference they did. If you listen to the "hardcore" on any issue, progress will stop. On the other hand, if people across the spectrum were disappointed, that's another story, but I highly doubt that's the case.

[QUOTE="DireToad"]I think your post perfectly describes why so many people are disappointed with Nintendo right now.
I think your post perfectly reflects everything that is wrong with Nintendo nowadays.mjarantilla

Here's the thing about using subjective terms like "so many": you don't know in what context to take it.

If the "so many people" you're talking about are mostly "hardcore" gamers like the ones scouring boards like this, then I'd say that they are irrelevant and Nintendo was right in holding the kind of press conference they did. If you listen to the "hardcore" on any issue, progress will stop. On the other hand, if people across the spectrum were disappointed, that's another story, but I highly doubt that's the case.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="DireToad"]I think your post perfectly describes why so many people are disappointed with Nintendo right now.
I think your post perfectly reflects everything that is wrong with Nintendo nowadays.Blue-Sphere

Here's the thing about using subjective terms like "so many": you don't know in what context to take it.

If the "so many people" you're talking about are mostly "hardcore" gamers like the ones scouring boards like this, then I'd say that they are irrelevant and Nintendo was right in holding the kind of press conference they did. If you listen to the "hardcore" on any issue, progress will stop. On the other hand, if people across the spectrum were disappointed, that's another story, but I highly doubt that's the case.

I'm pretty sure they don't care.

Not even gamers care that much about the E3 press conferences. Places like this inflate the importance of such events way past their actual significance.

[QUOTE="stvee101"]

Oblivion? GTA4?Dead Rising? I'm no lemming,guess they could throw some more in there. :P

And when you talk about "severe graphical down-grade" are we talking about so severe it starts to impact on gameplay?

st1ka

no im not talking about affecting the gameplay, i havent played GTA 4 nor dead rising.

As for oblivion could last gen consoles create an oblivion type game?

the answer is yes

Morrowinds world was not as large as oblivions, simply reducing graphics "which isnt just simply lowering some scale" would not make morrowind equal to oblivion.

[QUOTE="insanejedi"]Damage control anyone?Neoguru25

Who wants to play games when you can send your bricked 360 in for repairs and look at the back of your game cases!?

[QUOTE="Neoguru25"][QUOTE="legend26"]

[QUOTE="Neoguru25"]Nintendo is for children, always has been always will be, real gamers only need a 360.legend26

eternal darkness? resident evil? killer 7? no more heroes? madworld? manhunt 2?

ohh your right all those games are sooo kiddy

ohh yeah and playing GTA, halo, and gears all day makes you feel mature ;), just like the countless 13 year olds who do that to make them feel more mature, get it in your head, you dont have to play violent blood bath games to look "cool". a mature gamer plays eny game, kiddy or not and dosnt care what people think

I think you can count Neoguru in those ranks. Either that or he's EXTREMELy immature for his age.

[QUOTE="legend26"][QUOTE="Neoguru25"][QUOTE="legend26"]

[QUOTE="Neoguru25"]Nintendo is for children, always has been always will be, real gamers only need a 360.svetzenlether

eternal darkness? resident evil? killer 7? no more heroes? madworld? manhunt 2?

ohh your right all those games are sooo kiddy

ohh yeah and playing GTA, halo, and gears all day makes you feel mature ;), just like the countless 13 year olds who do that to make them feel more mature, get it in your head, you dont have to play violent blood bath games to look "cool". a mature gamer plays eny game, kiddy or not and dosnt care what people think

I think you can count Neoguru in those ranks. Either that or he's EXTREMELy immature for his age.

So does a batch of 13 year olds that watch Heat or The Godfather, or Resivor Dogs ultimatly dismiss those movies as imature?

They thought true gamers and true Nintendo fans understood that they don't show major "core" games at E3 anymore.

Anyone who is mad at Nintendo's E3 is basically saying "I don't follow the news about Nintendo"

There's no other way around it

Jaysonguy

If they don't announce their core games at E3, where do they announce them? Because there haven't exactly been a lot of core game announcements between E3 2007 and E3 2008.

Face it, sheep, your holiday 2008 lineup has been announced, and there's really not a lot there. Those third-party games had better come out on time, or my Wii is going to be gathering dust this winter.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

They thought true gamers and true Nintendo fans understood that they don't show major "core" games at E3 anymore.

Anyone who is mad at Nintendo's E3 is basically saying "I don't follow the news about Nintendo"

There's no other way around it

sonicmj1

If they don't announce their core games at E3, where do they announce them? Because there haven't exactly been a lot of core game announcements between E3 2007 and E3 2008.

Face it, sheep, your holiday 2008 lineup has been announced, and there's really not a lot there. Those third-party games had better come out on time, or my Wii is going to be gathering dust this winter.

Leipzig, TGS, E for All, GDC is where most game announcements are.

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]

They thought true gamers and true Nintendo fans understood that they don't show major "core" games at E3 anymore.

Anyone who is mad at Nintendo's E3 is basically saying "I don't follow the news about Nintendo"

There's no other way around it

sonicmj1

If they don't announce their core games at E3, where do they announce them? Because there haven't exactly been a lot of core game announcements between E3 2007 and E3 2008.

Face it, sheep, your holiday 2008 lineup has been announced, and there's really not a lot there. Those third-party games had better come out on time, or my Wii is going to be gathering dust this winter.

I expect them to release games for the core gamer at something FOR the core gamer.

E3 is not for the core gamer, it's not for ANY gamers. They changed E3 all around and Nintendo was the only one paying attention. Because of that they picked the perfect strategy last year with Wii Fit to get media coverage and they follow up the same direction this E3.

[QUOTE="svetzenlether"][QUOTE="legend26"][QUOTE="Neoguru25"][QUOTE="legend26"]

[QUOTE="Neoguru25"]Nintendo is for children, always has been always will be, real gamers only need a 360.insanejedi

eternal darkness? resident evil? killer 7? no more heroes? madworld? manhunt 2?

ohh your right all those games are sooo kiddy

ohh yeah and playing GTA, halo, and gears all day makes you feel mature ;), just like the countless 13 year olds who do that to make them feel more mature, get it in your head, you dont have to play violent blood bath games to look "cool". a mature gamer plays eny game, kiddy or not and dosnt care what people think

I think you can count Neoguru in those ranks. Either that or he's EXTREMELy immature for his age.

So does a batch of 13 year olds that watch Heat or The Godfather, or Resivor Dogs ultimatly dismiss those movies as imature?

You completely missed the point! The medium isn't immature, the audience who consumes it for the sole purpose of making themselves seem "cool and hardcore" are immature. In movies, it's what I like to call the "Scarface Effect"

Nintendo hasn't had a huge 3rd party supported system since the SNES, when there was hardly any competition. Nintendo has always been good for great first party games and some rare 3rd party hits. If you want the multiplats and 3rd party games, then go out and get a 360/PS3.goodlay

I remember. Nintendo had the 3rd party market almost by default, and the only other competition was Sega, who had even less support in their heyday than Nintendo does now.

BTW, because I mentioned Sega in this post, expect to see Panzer_Zwei in this thread within 3 minutes.