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#1 TheElfChild
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Are there popular games that everyone loves that you just can't like yourself because of some fatal flaw?



There sure are for me.


For instance, Killzone 2 is ruined for me because of button lag. Drives me so nuts, that I won't buy the game until I have some hard evidence that they've fixed it.

And Super Smash Bros Brawl - I was so excited for this game - until I realized the online was practically unplayable, that the game's physics are totally wonkey, and to top it all off, it doesn't matter how good at the game you get becuase there are random elements - namely tripping - that you can't turn off.




So much potential lost, IMO.

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Oh great, I was just about to buy Killzone 2. What button lag?
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#3 TheElfChild
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Oh great, I was just about to buy Killzone 2. What button lag?AlexSays
Try the demo. It's on there. The game doesn't register that you've pushed ANY button until your finger is well off the controller.

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#4 Dr_Snood
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Button lag? I don't get any button lag when I play..
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Oh great, I was just about to buy Killzone 2. What button lag?AlexSays
AKA input lag, is basically when you press a button, then there is a delay (no matter how slight) before the action is performed in-game. Trust if you play CoD, then go to playing KZ2, it will be almost unbearable at first, and once you go back to cod, you'll probably never want to go back to KZ2.

EDIT: after playing KZ2 for a couple of months, then going back to WaW and CoD4, it's safe to say that I'm officially through with KZ2. The controls are simply too unresponsive for me. CoD's are perfect imo :D

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No world maps in JRPGs...

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#7 TheElfChild
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[QUOTE="Doolz2024"][QUOTE="AlexSays"]Oh great, I was just about to buy Killzone 2. What button lag?

AKA input lag, is basically when you press a button, then there is a delay (no matter how slight) before the action is performed in-game. Trust if you play CoD, then go to playing KZ2, it will be almost unbearable at first, and once you go back to cod, you'll probably never want to go back to KZ2.

I haven't even played COD and the Button Lag drives me nuts.
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#8 TheElfChild
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No world maps in JRPGs...

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Yeah, I kind of miss those. I can understand the aesthetic of trying to keep you in the world, but it was fun to fly around int he airship in the old Final Fantasy games.
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#9 Legendaryscmt
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Pop-ins. I was all excited to play Crisis at first, pop it in, and I was amazed...then I actually started to move around.

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I beat the game once and had np with lag what i remember, first time i hear about this.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

No world maps in JRPGs...

TheElfChild

Yeah, I kind of miss those. I can understand the aesthetic of trying to keep you in the world, but it was fun to fly around int he airship in the old Final Fantasy games.

Yup. All this "click to go here" BS really annoys me. I would of loved a world map in FFX and Lost Odyssey.

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#12 TheElfChild
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I beat the game once and had np with lag what i remember, first time i hear about this.

aroxx_ab

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0iFiLK8VVw

This video demonstrates it really well. Watch this guy's fingers and how the screen reacts to the button pushes. He also demonstrates the button input time in the XMB as a comparison.

If you don't notice the Button lag, then fine, buy Killzone 2 and enjoy it. For me, it's gamebreaking.

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#13 Toriko42
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Laggy hosts, I'm looking at you Gears of War 2. While it doesn't ruin the game for me it definitely ruins my mood.
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#14 Ek-Andy
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[QUOTE="TheElfChild"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

No world maps in JRPGs...

Aljosa23

Yeah, I kind of miss those. I can understand the aesthetic of trying to keep you in the world, but it was fun to fly around int he airship in the old Final Fantasy games.

Yup. All this "click to go here" BS really annoys me. I would of loved a world map in FFX and Lost Odyssey.

I dont get what you mean. LO had a world map, you even fly and go underwater eventually.

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#15 Nike_Air
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DMC3's checkpoint/progression system. I like playing the game (lot of fun), I like a fair challenge (boy was it good and intense) , but I don't want to be heavily penalised if I'm not great at the game and die often when I come to the bosses or whatever. I don't want to replay huge chunks of the game or restart an entire level over. That's not for me.

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#16 bayareahusla
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depending on others online i hear they are coming out with another FF online game and if i have to get together another 18 people to get a freakin item im gonna kill someone i dont get along with people so i never had any friends lol
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#17 TheElfChild
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DMC3's checkpoint/progression system. I like playing the game (lot of fun), I like a fair challenge (boy was it good and intense) , but I don't want to be heavily penalised if I'm not great at the game and die often when I come to the bosses or whatever. I don't want to replay huge chunks of the game or restart an entire level over. That's not for me.

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Thankfully, the special edition had a mode that let you stock up on those gold jewels.
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#18 Jade_Monkey
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I generally like games less that don't have a quick save option. I also dislike games that don't let me change the difficulty mid game.

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Only thing that comes to mind is game crashes.
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#20 VideoGameGuy
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LittleBigPlanet- accidentally moving between the different planes is so annoying in this game. I seriously couldn't play this game because of this.
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#21 TheElfChild
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depending on others online i hear they are coming out with another FF online game and if i have to get together another 18 people to get a freakin item im gonna kill someone i dont get along with people so i never had any friends lolbayareahusla
I think groups of 4-5 people is ideal. Once you start getting above that number, it starts to get impersonal and unchallenging.
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#22 TAKE_IT_BACK
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I know it isn't very popular, but repetitive objectives ruined De Blob for me.

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#23 NYrockinlegend
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Right, button lag. About a 1/2 second delay, talk about minor. I'd rather go play "twitch" shooter in which it's SO easy to aim because the game does it for you, no classes, just cluttered run n gun mess. No teamwork, FTW!:roll:

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#24 bayareahusla
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[QUOTE="bayareahusla"]depending on others online i hear they are coming out with another FF online game and if i have to get together another 18 people to get a freakin item im gonna kill someone i dont get along with people so i never had any friends lolTheElfChild
I think groups of 4-5 people is ideal. Once you start getting above that number, it starts to get impersonal and unchallenging.

you could do alot with 4-5 but not enough i want a game like that but no more then 3 ppl to kill everything on the game
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#25 NYrockinlegend
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R2: Significant use of auto-aim and linear campaign levels. I can barely enjoy the campaign anymore, and MP is kinda shallow with significant use of auto-aim and aim assist.
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#26 TheElfChild
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Right, button lag. About a 1/2 second delay, talk about minor. I'd rather go play "twitch" shooter in which it's SO easy to aim because the game does it for you, no classes, just cluttered run n gun mess. No teamwork, FTW!:roll:

NYrockinlegend
You understand how long a 1/2 second means when you're playing a game, right?
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#27 bayareahusla
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and when i say 3 i mean 3 of any job because i dont want to find a great ninja for me to get another joytoy that fight took about 30mins with me nuking and a whm there
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#28 SpinoRaptor24
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Dead Risings save system and time limit.

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#29 NYrockinlegend
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[QUOTE="NYrockinlegend"]

Right, button lag. About a 1/2 second delay, talk about minor. I'd rather go play "twitch" shooter in which it's SO easy to aim because the game does it for you, no classes, just cluttered run n gun mess. No teamwork, FTW!:roll:

TheElfChild
You understand how long a 1/2 second means when you're playing a game, right?

Kind of, but not every game needs to be fast-paced. KZ2 is slow-paced for a reason, it's supposed to be "tactical". It's not just COD run n gun type mess or the like. R2 was extremely fast-paced, but I didn't like it. Too much of a disorganized mess and no time to breathe. And the half-second delay is barely noticeable to me. I don't know, maybe I'm not too "critical". Then again, I hate auto-aim and aim assist, so I'm not buying any games with that crap anymore. The only game I can even stand that in is R&C, but that's more platform than shooter.
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#30 NYrockinlegend
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Games with save points. Why can't every game just allow you to manually save your game? In FF and KH games, this is really annoying. You sometimes have to play through long battles and cutscenes(you can't skip them!) in order to reach one. Games with unskippable cutscenes: I know cutscenes to a game are important, but when I play through a game more than once, or am forced to play back a cutscene before the point of which I died at, why can't I skip it? Some games allow you to skip cutscenes, but others don't? Sometimes, I just put the game down, because this part can be annoying.
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Crappy checkpoint and save systems like in Dead Rising and Far Cry 2.

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#32 NYrockinlegend
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Crappy checkpoint and save systems like in Dead Rising and Far Cry 2.

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Agreed. Whenever I'm playing a game and I die, I hate it that most games make you start at the beginning of the level or at a far-off checkpoint. ESPECIALLY at frustrating moments like the train in KZ2. That was SO annoying.
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#33 NYrockinlegend
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Games with unbearable difficulty. I like a challenge, but there's such thing as the game being so frustrating and difficult that I feel like putting down the game for awhile or giving up altogether.
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L4Ds strong reliance on co-op makes public VS matches pretty much unplayable. Yet it is because of co-op that the game is good.

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#35 TheElfChild
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Games with unbearable difficulty. I like a challenge, but there's such thing as the game being so frustrating and difficult that I feel like putting down the game for awhile or giving up altogether. NYrockinlegend
I don't mind a challenge, but I don't consider it a matter of "difficulty" if the game is unfair.
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#36 skingus
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Games with bad save points. Fable 1 was horrible at this if you ask me. I'm a busy gamer, and I need to save as much as possible so i can go deal with the real world. I work alot. When I was younger this wouldn't have bothered me as much. I also don't see how this has anything to do with difficulty? If you don't want to save then don't save. Otherwise, give us the option.
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over rated games. i hate playing something that everyone lieks but i don't like it. gears of war is one of those games. i played both i saw the same game. another one is cover system. i hate how every game now puts cover system into the game.
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[QUOTE="AlexSays"]Oh great, I was just about to buy Killzone 2. What button lag?TheElfChild

Try the demo. It's on there. The game doesn't register that you've pushed ANY button until your finger is well off the controller.

That is a huge exaggeration. The lag was measured at 4 frames.

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[QUOTE="TheElfChild"]

[QUOTE="AlexSays"]Oh great, I was just about to buy Killzone 2. What button lag?Mordred19

Try the demo. It's on there. The game doesn't register that you've pushed ANY button until your finger is well off the controller.

That is a huge exaggeration. The lag was measured at 4 frames.

Didint they release a patch that fixed the tiny button lag.

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God of War. I can't take the slaughtering of greek mythology. It really irratates me.
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LocoRoco... the way the little blobs just decide to roll into a spiky thing while you're tilting the camera, makes me SO ANGRY!
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#42 TheElfChild
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[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

[QUOTE="TheElfChild"] Try the demo. It's on there. The game doesn't register that you've pushed ANY button until your finger is well off the controller.

finalfantasy94

That is a huge exaggeration. The lag was measured at 4 frames.

Didint they release a patch that fixed the tiny button lag.

Yeah, they reduced it to 3.5 frames instead of 4. The thing is, it's visually noticeable, and that's bad.
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[QUOTE="AlexSays"]Oh great, I was just about to buy Killzone 2. What button lag?TheElfChild

Try the demo. It's on there. The game doesn't register that you've pushed ANY button until your finger is well off the controller.

They fixed it with a patch like a week after it came out...
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#44 Messiahbolical-
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="Mordred19"]

That is a huge exaggeration. The lag was measured at 4 frames.

TheElfChild

Didint they release a patch that fixed the tiny button lag.

Yeah, they reduced it to 3.5 frames instead of 4. The thing is, it's visually noticeable, and that's bad.

Uh... you don't even have the game. Buy it first. Trust me, I hated the lag before they patched it now the game is almost perfect.
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#45 TheElfChild
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[QUOTE="TheElfChild"]

[QUOTE="AlexSays"]Oh great, I was just about to buy Killzone 2. What button lag?Messiahbolical-

Try the demo. It's on there. The game doesn't register that you've pushed ANY button until your finger is well off the controller.

They fixed it with a patch like a week after it came out...

It's not fixed.
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Oh great, I was just about to buy Killzone 2. What button lag?AlexSays
The game does not have button lag. I have it and it plays very good. Just another KZ 2 bashing thread. Buy or rent the game. Its pretty good.

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#47 TheElfChild
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[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"] Uh... you don't even have the game. Buy it first. Trust me, I hated the lag before they patched it now the game is almost perfect.

I'm not paying a red cent for the game until I have some solid proof that it's really fixed. I watched some video comparisons after the patch, and as I said, it was only a .5 frame difference after the patch. An improvement, but I'd still notice it, and be annoyed by it. If it's really fixed, then they should patch the demo too so I can try it out - for now I'm taking the evidence I've already found.
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[QUOTE="AlexSays"]Oh great, I was just about to buy Killzone 2. What button lag?coltsfan4ever

The game does not have button lag. I have it and it plays very good. Just another KZ 2 bashing thread. Buy or rent the game. Its pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0iFiLK8VVw

Watch this vid. Watch the comparison between KZ2 and the XMB. There's lag for ALL inputs. Even in the menus.

As I said before, if you don't notice it, then fine, pay them money and enjoy the game. As for me, it's a game breaker.

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#49 Messiahbolical-
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[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"][QUOTE="TheElfChild"] Try the demo. It's on there. The game doesn't register that you've pushed ANY button until your finger is well off the controller.TheElfChild

They fixed it with a patch like a week after it came out...

It's not fixed.

How the hell would you know? You don't even have the GAME!!! Go get the game, download the patch, turn off the cross color reduction filter on your PS3(yes, turning this off also helps reduce lag) THEN tell me it lags. It doesn't, and if it does it's not that much. Not only did they fix the lag problems with the patch, they ALSO fixed the dead zone problems. So trust me... stop playing the demo and go pick up the actual game because you're really missing out.

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#50 Messiahbolical-
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[QUOTE="coltsfan4ever"]

[QUOTE="AlexSays"]Oh great, I was just about to buy Killzone 2. What button lag?TheElfChild

The game does not have button lag. I have it and it plays very good. Just another KZ 2 bashing thread. Buy or rent the game. Its pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0iFiLK8VVw

Watch this vid. Watch the comparison between KZ2 and the XMB. There's lag for ALL inputs. Even in the menus.

As I said before, if you don't notice it, then fine, pay them money and enjoy the game. As for me, it's a game breaker.

Check the date. :| That's the DEMO, not the full game. So it's obviously not with the patch included. DUH :roll: