No console RTS will ever be able to be as good as Company of Heroes

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]

Actually there is.

9.2

DarkRecruit

1) that's not a RTS, controlling groups of people doesn't make it a RTS

2) and it's not better, just that GC has lower standards

ROFL

Isn't that what what RTS games are about? :lol:

[QUOTE="DarkRecruit"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"]

Actually there is.

9.2

The_AI

1) that's not a RTS, controlling groups of people doesn't make it a RTS

2) and it's not better, just that GC has lower standards

ROFL

Isn't that what what RTS games are about? :lol:

No, play a game like CoH and come back, that's a RTS.

[quote="Yerlop111"] No RTS will ever be able to be as good as Company of Heroes aliblabla2007

Fixed.

please.... if Relic gets their hands back onto the Homeworld IP, Homeworld 3 would kick CoH in the balls so hard CoH would start crying... And lucky for us, THQ bought the Homeworld IP not too long ago... If they give it to anyone but Relic, we WILL see a riot.

Also, Starcraft 2 will probably be better.

IMO Blizzard and Relic are the royalty of RTS developers. Blizzard is just developer royalty however... Everything they touch is pure gold.

[QUOTE="michael098"]I agree, i got Company of Heroes with my graphics card and i was very impressed with the game. the graphics are amazing. best RTS iv played in along time.Rob_101

Same. Did you get the 8800 GT alpha dog edition from XFX? I haven't gotten around to installing it yet but I liked the demo. I just hope its not to hard to get into.

Yep. I got the alpha dog xxx edition which is an overclocked version.

Were games like CoH, WiC or STALKER even considered for GOTY?michael098

WiC was. CoH was back in 06.

Nothing beats PC. PC will always beat consoles in FPS, RTS and pretty much most other genres.TheMysticHorse

:lol:

[QUOTE="TheMysticHorse"]Nothing beats PC. PC will always beat consoles in FPS, RTS and pretty much most other genres.butteater86

:lol:

Like it or not PC is better in most genres.

Platformers, 3D fighters, JRPGs, arcade racers, action adventures - better on console

Were games like CoH, WiC or STALKER even considered for GOTY?michael098

WIC and COH were both nominess.

Were games like CoH, WiC or STALKER even considered for GOTY?michael098

CoH was for '06 (judging from the demo, it should definitely have beaten GeOW), WiC is a nominee for this year and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is underrated.

[QUOTE="DarkRecruit"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"]

Actually there is.

9.2

ArisShadows

1) that's not a RTS, controlling groups of people doesn't make it a RTS

2) and it's not better, just that GC has lower standards

1) Yes it is, its listed on various places as RTS, here at Gamespot and I check out Wikipedia to see what they listed it and "Genre: Real-time strategy" was what came up. You should read up on what is a real time strategy.

2) Thats a cheap response, gamecube has lower standards. First off, if option 1 didn't go through, you can try to mock it by calling it lower standards. PIkmin was great and it deserved it score, so yes consoles can get great RTSs.

Pikmin had a charm I hardly can find in any game anymore..

Why do hermits act as if playing online on the PC is some kind of magical lag free experience? Are they all 8 year grad students playing on a T3 or something?

World in Conflict is supposedly out for the 360 in February according to game stores so we shall see how it handles this highly regarded game.

JiveT

Uhh..it usually is, considering you can pick servers that are located close to you, unlike console games. I usually play on servers where my ping is 20-50.

WiC is coming out in Febuary? Since when? Game stores don't really know anything, it's just a guess. We haven't heard anything on it lately. For all we know it could be cancelled. I don't see what this has to do with online anyways.....

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]

Actually there is.

9.2

DarkRecruit

1) that's not a RTS, controlling groups of people doesn't make it a RTS

2) and it's not better, just that GC has lower standards

Have you even play the game? It does morethen just controlling groups of Pikmins. It probably the best RTS game on the console. But Starcraft is better anyway.

[quote="Yerlop111"] No RTS other then Starcraft will ever be able to be as good as Company of Heroes aliblabla2007

Fixed.

Another fixed.;)

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]

[quote="Yerlop111"] No RTS other then Starcraft or DoW will ever be able to be as good as Company of Heroes Wanderer5

Fixed.

Another fixed.;)

Fixed again.

Company of Heroes is good. But console RTS games are more accessible. . .BK-Sleeper

How so?

[QUOTE="Wanderer5"][QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]

[quote="Yerlop111"] No RTS will ever be able to be as good as Company of Heroes aliblabla2007

Fixed.

Another fixed.;)

Fixed again.

Fixed.

Why do you mock Pikmin?ArisShadows

Yea I mock it by saying it's not a RTS :roll:

[QUOTE="Danm_999"][QUOTE="JiveT"]

Why do hermits act as if playing online on the PC is some kind of magical lag free experience? Are they all 8 year grad students playing on a T3 or something?

World in Conflict is supposedly out for the 360 in February according to game stores so we shall see how it handles this highly regarded game.

will_work4food

Nobody has even mentioned lag yet.

All that's been said is that paying for an online service doesn't make it better.

At least you don't have to upgrade a console

Console games are nearly twice the price here in the UK, 360 peripirals are ALL rip offs including the controllers, the monthly/yearly fee does nothing a free service couldnt.

Ontop of that, you have no technological progress for 5-6 years.

Oh well.

Company of Heroes is good. But console RTS games are more accessible. . .BK-Sleeper

There are no real console RTS games , only ports ... of the easier PC RTS games, so I can see what your saying.

Why do you mock Pikmin?ArisShadows

To be quite honest, the amount of activity and the type of objectives found in Pikmin doesn't really compare to a true PC RTS. Pikmin is great for what it is but to compare it to the likes of CoH, Starcraft, DoW, Homeworld, AoE or any of the other top RTS franchises is quite off. Pikmin is more of a hybrid of RTS and puzzle than pure RTS.

[QUOTE="Indestructible2"]

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]Halo Wars will be AAAA!ArisShadows

You know I was kidding right? o.O

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]Halo Wars will be AAAA!Indestructible2

TW games are usually fun but the AI is absolutely retarded. The poor battle AI ruins the game.

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]Why do you mock Pikmin?Redmoonxl2

To be quite honest, the amount of activity and the type of objectives found in Pikmin doesn't really compare to a true PC RTS. Pikmin is great for what it is but to compare it to the likes of CoH, Starcraft, DoW, Homeworld, AoE or any of the other top RTS franchises is quite off. Pikmin is more of a hybrid of RTS and puzzle than pure RTS.

A true RTS? Real Time Strategy, how does that not fall under Pikmin. You micromanage various types of pikmin in a realtime situation. If you don't pay close attention, you won't do good and your pikmin will die.Just because it doesn't follow the normal tradition of the general RTS scheme, doesn't not make it less of RTS, just different. I think its up there with those PC RTSs you named, don't badger it because its not "true PC RTS".

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]Why do you mock Pikmin?ArisShadows

To be quite honest, the amount of activity and the type of objectives found in Pikmin doesn't really compare to a true PC RTS. Pikmin is great for what it is but to compare it to the likes of CoH, Starcraft, DoW, Homeworld, AoE or any of the other top RTS franchises is quite off. Pikmin is more of a hybrid of RTS and puzzle than pure RTS.

A true RTS? Real Time Strategy, how does that not fall under Pikmin. You micromanage various types of pikmin in a realtime situation. If you don't pay close attention, you won't do good and your pikmin will die.Just because it doesn't follow the normal tradition of the general RTS scheme, doesn't not make it less of RTS, just different. I think its up there with those PC RTSs you named, don't badger it because its not "true PC RTS".

Wow....use some LOGIC, what do you think we were talking about when CoH was the main topic? We were talking about traditional RTSs. Common logic.

Why do you mock Pikmin?ArisShadows

Yea I mock it by saying it's not a RTS :roll:

You mock it with your lower standards and consider anything thats on console isn't as good as those games on PC, without any understanding of that game.Starcraft is great, Pikmin is great, a good RTS is always a good RTS.

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]Why do you mock Pikmin?ArisShadows

Yea I mock it by saying it's not a RTS :roll:

You mock it with your lower standards and consider anything thats on console isn't as good as those games on PC, without any understanding of that game.Starcraft is great, Pikmin is great, a good RTS is always a good RTS.

Gamecube does have lower standards them PC. And any RTS on a console isn't as good as on PC. And Pikmin isn't a real RTS, which is what we're talking about, use some logic.

What I was reading was RTS, nothing said anything about "tradional RTSs" only. If that was the case, I probably agree.

[QUOTE="Redmoonxl2"]

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]Why do you mock Pikmin?ArisShadows

To be quite honest, the amount of activity and the type of objectives found in Pikmin doesn't really compare to a true PC RTS. Pikmin is great for what it is but to compare it to the likes of CoH, Starcraft, DoW, Homeworld, AoE or any of the other top RTS franchises is quite off. Pikmin is more of a hybrid of RTS and puzzle than pure RTS.

A true RTS? Real Time Strategy, how does that not fall under Pikmin. You micromanage various types of pikmin in a realtime situation. If you don't pay close attention, you won't do good and your pikmin will die.Just because it doesn't follow the normal tradition of the general RTS scheme, doesn't not make it less of RTS, just different. I think its up there with those PC RTSs you named, don't badger it because its not "true PC RTS".

By your definition I guess the Lemmings series fit under the RTS label as well.

I'm not badgering Pikmin at all but I will state here and now that it's not a pure RTS game. RTS games revolves around the building of armies to compete with an opposing army, simple. What Pikmin focuses on is a combination of elements found in a RTS game with the puzzle genre, utilizing what is given to you to tackle a complex sequence of trails. There is no army v army element in Pikmin at all.

I just so happen to be a fan of the Pikmin series but it doesn't scream RTS no matter how much you may push that view point. I respect it for what it is, which is a hybrid puzzle game.

What I was reading was RTS, nothing said anything about "tradional RTSs" only. If that was the case, I probably agree.

ArisShadows

Well the TC was talking about CoH and common logic says this topic is about RTSs like CoH.

[quote="Yerlop111"] No RTS will ever be able to be as good as Company of Heroes aliblabla2007

Fixed.

I'm sure dawn of war two will have a good attempt.

How can a 40K RTS builtoff of a modified version of the COH engine not be better CoH?

Civilization revolutions looks pretty promising.Vandalvideo

Civ Revolutions is turn based, isn't it?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Civilization revolutions looks pretty promising.Redmoonxl2

Civ Revolutions is turn based, isn't it?

[QUOTE="ArisShadows"]

Actually there is.

9.2

DarkRecruit

1) that's not a RTS, controlling groups of people doesn't make it a RTS

2) and it's not better, just that GC has lower standards

It most certainly is an RTS game. Just checkout the game's specs on IGN and/or Gamespots'

IGN---------------------------------------- GameSpot

Why does the GameCube have lower standards? Cause it came in Purple? Or is it because of the visual nature of most of Nintendo's GameCube titles? Maybe because you said so?

Why does the GameCube have lower standards? Cause it came in Purple? Or is it because of the visual nature of most of Nintendo's GameCube titles? Maybe because you said so?

Truth_Seekr

Because it was like, the second RTS on the system.

That and much less is expected from a GameCube game than a PC game (ie, visuals, online components, length).

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]

[quote="Yerlop111"] No RTS will ever be able to be as good as Company of Heroes redstormrisen

Fixed.

I'm sure dawn of war two will have a good attempt.

How can a 40K RTS builtoff of a modified version of the COH engine not be better CoH?

Quite easily. The awesomeness of coh is how infantry do jack all vs tanks, machine guns pin infantry, but infantry have counters to tanks, without the proper measures one tank can rape loads of infantry. Meanwhile in dow infantry can take down tanks with (providing its not a baneblade or land raider) relative ease. I don't think Relic will change any of this otherwise they'll be told they're making a reskinned CoH. Don't get me wrong Dawn of War is great fun, but Company of Heroes is just fantastic and requires alot more tactics.

Why does the GameCube have lower standards? Cause it came in Purple? Or is it because of the visual nature of most of Nintendo's GameCube titles? Maybe because you said so?

Truth_Seekr

Or maybe it's because the RTS genre is practically nonexistent on the Gamecube? Just a thought...

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]

[quote="Yerlop111"] No RTS will ever be able to be as good as Company of Heroes redstormrisen

Fixed.

I'm sure dawn of war two will have a good attempt.

How can a 40K RTS builtoff of a modified version of the COH engine not be better CoH?

[QUOTE="DarkRecruit"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"]

Actually there is.

9.2

Truth_Seekr

1) that's not a RTS, controlling groups of people doesn't make it a RTS

2) and it's not better, just that GC has lower standards

It most certainly is an RTS game. Just checkout the game's specs on IGN and/or Gamespots'

IGN---------------------------------------- GameSpot

Why does the GameCube have lower standards? Cause it came in Purple? Or is it because of the visual nature of most of Nintendo's GameCube titles? Maybe because you said so?

No it isn't a traditional RTS which is what we're talking about incase you couldn't figure that out. And gamecube obviously has lower standards then pc considering PC has the most RTSs and made RTSs.

[QUOTE="DarkRecruit"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"]

Actually there is.

9.2

Truth_Seekr

1) that's not a RTS, controlling groups of people doesn't make it a RTS

2) and it's not better, just that GC has lower standards

It most certainly is an RTS game. Just checkout the game's specs on IGN and/or Gamespots'

IGN---------------------------------------- GameSpot

Why does the GameCube have lower standards? Cause it came in Purple? Or is it because of the visual nature of most of Nintendo's GameCube titles? Maybe because you said so?

Because that's one of the few strategy games on the GC. Read the Gamespot "How We Rate Our Games" page, please. I'm sick of saying this over and over again. STANDARDS.

[QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]

[quote="Yerlop111"] No RTS will ever be able to be as good as Company of Heroes horrowhip

Fixed.

please.... if Relic gets their hands back onto the Homeworld IP, Homeworld 3 would kick CoH in the balls so hard CoH would start crying... And lucky for us, THQ bought the Homeworld IP not too long ago... If they give it to anyone but Relic, we WILL see a riot.

Also, Starcraft 2 will probably be better.

IMO Blizzard and Relic are the royalty of RTS developers. Blizzard is just developer royalty however... Everything they touch is pure gold.

CoH > Starcraft by a billion solar systems.

[QUOTE="DarkRecruit"][QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]

[quote="Yerlop111"] No RTS will ever be able to be as good as Company of Heroes cobrax75

Fixed.

I agree with that. CoH is the best RTS ever made.

I agree with that too, I currently consider COH to be the best RTS out their.

Haha me too. But the netcode does blow. But yes. Best RTS ever.

[QUOTE="DarkRecruit"][QUOTE="aliblabla2007"]

[quote="Yerlop111"] No RTS will ever be able to be as good as Company of Heroes cobrax75

Fixed.

I agree with that. CoH is the best RTS ever made.

I agree with that too, I currently consider COH to be the best RTS out their.

CoH is the best RTS since Homeworld. Easily one of the best games I've ever played.

[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="DarkRecruit"][QUOTE="ArisShadows"]

Actually there is.

9.2

trix5817

1) that's not a RTS, controlling groups of people doesn't make it a RTS

2) and it's not better, just that GC has lower standards

It most certainly is an RTS game. Just checkout the game's specs on IGN and/or Gamespots'

IGN---------------------------------------- GameSpot

Why does the GameCube have lower standards? Cause it came in Purple? Or is it because of the visual nature of most of Nintendo's GameCube titles? Maybe because you said so?

Because that's one of the few strategy games on the GC. Read the Gamespot "How We Rate Our Games" page, please. I'm sick of saying this over and over again. STANDARDS.