No Cross Platform Play for Planetside 2

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/PlanetSide-2-No-cross-platform,news-17289.html

Sony says it's because they can't keep the PS4 version as up to date as the PC ersion but I think the idea of PC players wiping the floor with console players factors in as well.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/PlanetSide-2-No-cross-platform,news-17289.html

Sony says it's because they can't keep the PS4 version as up to date as the PC ersion but I think the idea of PC players wiping the floor with console players factors in as well.

PublicNuisance

[QUOTE="PublicNuisance"]

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/PlanetSide-2-No-cross-platform,news-17289.html

Sony says it's because they can't keep the PS4 version as up to date as the PC ersion but I think the idea of PC players wiping the floor with console players factors in as well.

clyde46

It would be a glorious day.

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="PublicNuisance"]

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/PlanetSide-2-No-cross-platform,news-17289.html

Sony says it's because they can't keep the PS4 version as up to date as the PC ersion but I think the idea of PC players wiping the floor with console players factors in as well.

PublicNuisance

It would be a glorious day.

Earning certs would be a lot easier :P

As it should be. Us Console players are using a controller for everything in the game so it's a level playing field. You take PC players that can hook up whatever they want (i.e. Joystick for flying, etc.) and it's unbalanced. I've seen people on BF3 on PC wipe the floor with PC players from a helicopter...just using a joystick. Endgame right there.

Puckhog04

PC players have the freedom to choose the right tool for the job.

 

You pretty much just stated what I did...just for a second time. :|

Level playing field as opposed to not...

Puckhog04

I prefer to let the playing field be what it will be. I figure why make it artifically level by hand holding.

That's fine, I wouldn't want to play against a keyboard and mouse user with a controller anyway.  They'd kick my ass.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

As it should be. Us Console players are using a controller for everything in the game so it's a level playing field. You take PC players that can hook up whatever they want (i.e. Joystick for flying, etc.) and it's unbalanced. I've seen people on BF3 on PC wipe the floor with PC players from a helicopter...just using a joystick. Endgame right there.

PublicNuisance

PC players have the freedom to choose the right tool for the job.

Good, i would have felt bad slaughtering all those helpless pc gamers

I don't understand people's obsession with cross platforming with first person shooters, any other game genre not including moba's and rt's, sure yeah it could work. But people using a k/m would have an advantage because it's just more accurate.

Apparently they're also having issues making the game handle as many players as he PC version. The AMD CPU is far weaker than PC desktop CPU's.

Lol.

good news. hermits are nothing but cheaters anyway lowering settings and such for less foliage.killzowned24

Apparently they're also having issues making the game handle as many players as he PC version. The AMD CPU is far weaker than PC desktop CPU's.

 

Lol.

Kinthalis

No they aren't. They are having difficulty porting the engine due to the fact it has to be multithreaded quite a bit more than it currently is. It's very difficult to make that radcial of a change to any game engine. 

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Apparently they're also having issues making the game handle as many players as he PC version. The AMD CPU is far weaker than PC desktop CPU's.

 

Lol.

Wasdie

No they aren't. They are having difficulty porting the engine due to the fact it has to be multithreaded quite a bit more than it currently is. It's very difficult to make that radcial of a change to any game engine. 

Translation:  The AMD GPU on the PS4 is a piece of $hit when it comes to performance per core, and we're going to ahve to make cutbacks because not everythign can be highly parallelized, and regardless 8 cores with poor performance will never beat 4 cores at considerably better performance.

Conclusion: They are going to up the culling of players on the consoles version.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Apparently they're also having issues making the game handle as many players as he PC version. The AMD CPU is far weaker than PC desktop CPU's.

 

Lol.

Kinthalis

No they aren't. They are having difficulty porting the engine due to the fact it has to be multithreaded quite a bit more than it currently is. It's very difficult to make that radcial of a change to any game engine. 

Translation:  The AMD GPU on the PS4 is a piece of $hit when it comes to performance per core, and we're going to ahve to make cutbacks because not everythign can be highly parallelized, and regardless 8 cores with poor performance will never beat 4 cores at considerably better performance.

Conclusion: They are going to up the culling of players on the consoles version.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Apparently they're also having issues making the game handle as many players as he PC version. The AMD CPU is far weaker than PC desktop CPU's.

 

Lol.

Kinthalis

No they aren't. They are having difficulty porting the engine due to the fact it has to be multithreaded quite a bit more than it currently is. It's very difficult to make that radcial of a change to any game engine. 

Translation:  The AMD GPU on the PS4 is a piece of $hit when it comes to performance per core, and we're going to ahve to make cutbacks because not everythign can be highly parallelized, and regardless 8 cores with poor performance will never beat 4 cores at considerably better performance.

Conclusion: They are going to up the culling of players on the consoles version.

No.

They said they can do full servers of 2000 players once they get their engine threaded. This will directly benifit the PC gamers too as Planetside 2 runs like ass even on a really powerful PC because it is CPU bottlenecked.

Making assumptions makes you look like an idiot. You have absolutly no idea what you're talking about.

Well... of course!

It'd be a duck hunt... pitting a controller against m/k in an FPS game will lead to a slaughter.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

No they aren't. They are having difficulty porting the engine due to the fact it has to be multithreaded quite a bit more than it currently is. It's very difficult to make that radcial of a change to any game engine. 

Wasdie

Translation:  The AMD GPU on the PS4 is a piece of $hit when it comes to performance per core, and we're going to ahve to make cutbacks because not everythign can be highly parallelized, and regardless 8 cores with poor performance will never beat 4 cores at considerably better performance.

Conclusion: They are going to up the culling of players on the consoles version.

No.

They said they can do full servers of 2000 players once they get their engine threaded. This will directly benifit the PC gamers too as Planetside 2 runs like ass even on a really powerful PC because it is CPU bottlenecked.

Making assumptions makes you look like an idiot. You have absolutly no idea what you're talking about.

LOL!

Says the guy making assumptions of an opposite nature. Are you devleoping for the PS4? Nope. So where are you coming up with the assumption that solving the issue of a main game thread being very reliant on a single thread/having problems with data parallelization and data synchronization that literally THOUSANDS of developers have been tryign to solve for the past decade, will suddenly, magically, be solved by these guys?

Not to mention that it still doesn't address the fact that the CPU is terrible, performance wise. Even if they do the improbable and manage to break up that main thread so that it uses the best possible 8 threaded optimization solution on this AMD CPU, it STILL won't give them the same performance as a mdoern desktop CPU.

Which means they will have to cull more players on the console version.  By the way, player culling is done on PC as well. You never actually see 2,000 people in the same area. The server prioritizes and only shows you a subset of that numebr at any one time.

Look, I'm nto saying things won't improve on their end. It's entirely possible that for various reasons they never even went through and tried to do a better job at multi-threading their core logic.

But please stop makign it seem like prallelizaiton is this magical thing that it'll make a tablet grade AMD CPU suddenly perform like an i7 on steroids. I'm sure they'll get some more performance out that CPU than they are getting now. I'm also sure that whatever they'll get out of it won't match what they'll get out of an i5 or even a decent i3.

But please stop makign it seem like prallelizaiton is this magical thing that it'll make a tablet grade AMD CPU suddenly perform like an i7 on steroids. I'm sure they'll get some more performance out that CPU than they are getting now. I'm also sure that whatever they'll get out of it won't match what they'll get out of an i5 or even a decent i3.

Kinthalis

I didn't say that. You're putting words in my mouth.

But go ahead and continue to make yourself look like an idiot.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

But please stop makign it seem like prallelizaiton is this magical thing that it'll make a tablet grade AMD CPU suddenly perform like an i7 on steroids. I'm sure they'll get some more performance out that CPU than they are getting now. I'm also sure that whatever they'll get out of it won't match what they'll get out of an i5 or even a decent i3.

Wasdie

I didn't say that. You're putting words in my mouth.

But go ahead and continue to make yourself look like an idiot.

You seem to be talking about total player counts on the server. I'm talking about actual players showing up on your screen. It's the big reason why the game is so CPU bound. It's not like the game looks like Crysis 3. It looks decent, but it's the huge number of players that cause the CPU bottleneck on PC. 

Improving the threading should improve that, but the console version will never compare. 

THAT'S what I'm saying. The console version may very well be 2,000 players on the server. But if on PC you only ever see 200 on your screen (as the server culls some and priorotizes others), I doubt the console will handle more than a quarter of that number.

Also, calling other people idiots on a forum board only makes YOU look an idiot. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't say that to my face. So please stop with the macho posturing. It's rather immature.

Anyone thinking there will ever be cross platform paly in games like this are gonna be disappointed. PC players would dominate every game because of the control scheme

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]good news. hermits are nothing but cheaters anyway lowering settings and such for less foliage.clyde46

Duh

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]good news. hermits are nothing but cheaters anyway lowering settings and such for less foliage.killzowned24

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="killzowned24"]good news. hermits are nothing but cheaters anyway lowering settings and such for less foliage.killzowned24

Uh console gamers "cheat" all the time.

Also, calling other people idiots on a forum board only makes YOU look an idiot. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't say that to my face. So please stop with the macho posturing. It's rather immature.

Kinthalis

Idiot

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

But please stop makign it seem like prallelizaiton is this magical thing that it'll make a tablet grade AMD CPU suddenly perform like an i7 on steroids. I'm sure they'll get some more performance out that CPU than they are getting now. I'm also sure that whatever they'll get out of it won't match what they'll get out of an i5 or even a decent i3.

Kinthalis

I didn't say that. You're putting words in my mouth.

But go ahead and continue to make yourself look like an idiot.

You seem to be talking about total player counts on the server. I'm talking about actual players showing up on your screen. It's the big reason why the game is so CPU bound. It's not like the game looks like Crysis 3. It looks decent, but it's the huge number of players that cause the CPU bottleneck on PC. 

Improving the threading should improve that, but the console version will never compare. 

THAT'S what I'm saying. The console version may very well be 2,000 players on the server. But if on PC you only ever see 200 on your screen (as the server culls some and priorotizes others), I doubt the console will handle more than a quarter of that number.

Also, calling other people idiots on a forum board only makes YOU look an idiot. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't say that to my face. So please stop with the macho posturing. It's rather immature.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I didn't say that. You're putting words in my mouth.

But go ahead and continue to make yourself look like an idiot.

lowe0

You seem to be talking about total player counts on the server. I'm talking about actual players showing up on your screen. It's the big reason why the game is so CPU bound. It's not like the game looks like Crysis 3. It looks decent, but it's the huge number of players that cause the CPU bottleneck on PC. 

Improving the threading should improve that, but the console version will never compare. 

THAT'S what I'm saying. The console version may very well be 2,000 players on the server. But if on PC you only ever see 200 on your screen (as the server culls some and priorotizes others), I doubt the console will handle more than a quarter of that number.

Also, calling other people idiots on a forum board only makes YOU look an idiot. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't say that to my face. So please stop with the macho posturing. It's rather immature.

well, a few points about this topic.

1) IF the PS4 allows keyboard like the PS3 did, then I doubt that had much to do, I doubt Sony would care about uneven playingfield IF the console demographic had assess to the same control input. Then it would be up to the players alone, and thus no one could complain.

2) PS2 can run on a dual core, so by the around 6 cores avaiable for the PS4, some of the code would have to be rewritten for it to work as best it can. Simply a question of dividing workload, but the CPU SHOULD (and likely will) work just as intended and run the game just fine. It will be a pain to have the games be made for 6 cores native right out the gate, especially in this cross gen time we are in right now.

The CPU will never be powerful no, but the CPU would likely be close to a desktop quad with the 4 active cores (of the AMD makes) this is going by the rumors that the OS and background services takes up 2 cores.

So suggesting that the CPU is trash is not completely true, while it will likely not reach a desktop of the i7 quads (it might, but I am not entirely sure) It WILL match up close enough, and in time there might be advantages to having each of the cores (low clock as they are) work specific tasks, which might in turn give a somewhat cleaner and easier to work with gamecode. (ie ai linked to one core, physics to one, and so on.

Basicly no one really knows how these will perform, so this is just a guess ofcourse, aswell as to the area they might reach.

But if the idea that they will reach a desktop AMD quad of newer build, then it is enough for most gaming needs these days. Few games taxes cpu power alot (Ironically PS2 DOES). It leaves the question of how long they will be fit though, given that if I am remorely corect, they will match up nicely to a decent gaming system today, but with a timeline of 10 years? In the long run it may not hold up as intended.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

But please stop makign it seem like prallelizaiton is this magical thing that it'll make a tablet grade AMD CPU suddenly perform like an i7 on steroids. I'm sure they'll get some more performance out that CPU than they are getting now. I'm also sure that whatever they'll get out of it won't match what they'll get out of an i5 or even a decent i3.

Kinthalis

I didn't say that. You're putting words in my mouth.

But go ahead and continue to make yourself look like an idiot.

You seem to be talking about total player counts on the server. I'm talking about actual players showing up on your screen. It's the big reason why the game is so CPU bound. It's not like the game looks like Crysis 3. It looks decent, but it's the huge number of players that cause the CPU bottleneck on PC. 

Improving the threading should improve that, but the console version will never compare. 

THAT'S what I'm saying. The console version may very well be 2,000 players on the server. But if on PC you only ever see 200 on your screen (as the server culls some and priorotizes others), I doubt the console will handle more than a quarter of that number.

Also, calling other people idiots on a forum board only makes YOU look an idiot. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't say that to my face. So please stop with the macho posturing. It's rather immature.

You're still making assumptions based upon no evidnce and your obvious bias against the consoles. I know exactly what you're saying and I'm calling you an idiot for saying it because it's baseless and full of your own bias.

Also on the PC you see far more than 200 now. At launch it was bad but they've greatly improved player rendering distances and put priority on rendering the enemy. You'll often see your friendlies disappearing. 

Though in the end what you're saying has no support what-so-ever. 

LOL. So you'd call console gamers peasants to their face? If not, there goes that argument. Anyway, the reason why Sony will resolve those problems is because, after those years of effort you mentioned, programmers have found ways to solve them. There are no magic compilers yet, but with time and effort, more and more parallelism can be built into one's code, until Amdahl's Law finally limits further optimization.lowe0

Until very recently there was no reason to fully thread up your game engine to take advantage of more than 1-2 cores. The PS3 was still operating with 1 general purpose cores and the vast majority of gaming processors are dual core. Some engines take advantage of more than 1 core (the Source Engine, CryEngine 3, Frosbite 2) but those are either by an excellent team (valve) or are much more modern.

They made a mistake when they started developing the Forgelight engine and only put emphasis on 1 core. They have some multithreading for Planetside 2 but it's not much. They've admitted that it could be far better than what it is.

The consoles are bascially forcing devs to finally implement proper multi-threaded code. Soon we'll see all 4 cores of a quad core processor put to good work. It's going to be great for optimization.

[QUOTE="killzowned24"][QUOTE="clyde46"] So something the devs implement is called cheating now? :lol: Keep on reaching consolites. lostrib

Uh console gamers "cheat" all the time.

Peasants would get destroyed lol

Wouldn't be fun for either side.

It really would give a new meaning TCHBO ;)

Sony aren't that daft, they want to sell more PS4's not PC's.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"] Consoles players play at the same settings,so have the fairest gameplay.Why would we want to play with people who have the ability to cheat?killzowned24

Uh console gamers "cheat" all the time.

Not if the game is correctly optimized. Try reaching though cow. clyde46

Actually most hardcore PS2 players lower grpahic settings. Shadows, particals, enhanced lighting, all of that gets in the way of the ability to see and can lower your FPS.

I have mine all turned down. 

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="killzowned24"] Consoles players play at the same settings,so have the fairest gameplay.Why would we want to play with people who have the ability to cheat?killzowned24

Uh console gamers "cheat" all the time.

Yes, consoles with those P2P connections and host advantage. Very level playing field.

Lowering settings isn't cheating

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Also, calling other people idiots on a forum board only makes YOU look an idiot. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't say that to my face. So please stop with the macho posturing. It's rather immature.

lostrib

Idiot

Thanks for proving my point!

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

Also, calling other people idiots on a forum board only makes YOU look an idiot. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't say that to my face. So please stop with the macho posturing. It's rather immature.

Kinthalis

Idiot

Thanks for proving my point!

Shut up, moron

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

I didn't say that. You're putting words in my mouth.

But go ahead and continue to make yourself look like an idiot.

Wasdie

You seem to be talking about total player counts on the server. I'm talking about actual players showing up on your screen. It's the big reason why the game is so CPU bound. It's not like the game looks like Crysis 3. It looks decent, but it's the huge number of players that cause the CPU bottleneck on PC. 

Improving the threading should improve that, but the console version will never compare. 

THAT'S what I'm saying. The console version may very well be 2,000 players on the server. But if on PC you only ever see 200 on your screen (as the server culls some and priorotizes others), I doubt the console will handle more than a quarter of that number.

Also, calling other people idiots on a forum board only makes YOU look an idiot. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't say that to my face. So please stop with the macho posturing. It's rather immature.

You're still making assumptions based upon no evidnce and your obvious bias against the consoles. I know exactly what you're saying and I'm calling you an idiot for saying it because it's baseless and full of your own bias.

Also on the PC you see far more than 200 now. At launch it was bad but they've greatly improved player rendering distances and put priority on rendering the enemy. You'll often see your friendlies disappearing. 

Though in the end what you're saying has no support what-so-ever. 

Look, just because you appear to know nothing about anythign we're discussing here, doesn't mean everyone shares in your ignorance.

Point out my clearly biased and unsubstantiated assertions.

I'd love to know what the hell you're talking about.

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Idiot

lostrib

Thanks for proving my point!

Shut up, moron

Lol, pathetic. Get madder and cry some more though. It's funny.

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Kinthalis"]

 

Thanks for proving my point!

Kinthalis

Shut up, moron

Lol, pathetic. Get madder and cry some more though. It's funny.

Quiet, Dummy