No Game Series Gives You Your Money's Worth Like The Elder Scrolls.

For all those who hate on the Oblivion can I just ask one thing. What did you do in it? :?

Goyoshi12

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Weird of how so many people seem to hate Oblivion. Yet it still has a user score on here of 9.3. :?

Strange. :|

starjet905

Oblivion was a huge game and a good one, for its time was the best you could get for some years too

It is just that gaming after Dark Souls has moved to whole new levels and the standards have changed today

Maybe since Demons Souls days, also games like Gothic 1-2, Arx Fatalis, Morrowind were far better than Oblivion too imo

Gran Turismo, Halo, Forza Motorsport, LittleBigPlanet do. I love The Elder Scrolls btw.

FIFA, off the top of my head.

Twin-Blade

Oblivion had me lasting about 30 minutes :lol:

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FIFA, off the top of my head.

DealRogers

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FIFA, off the top of my head.

Calvin079

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For all those who hate on the Oblivion can I just ask one thing. What did you do in it? :?

Goyoshi12

What? It's a game where you can do whatever you want and you consider that bad? If the game is boring and you call it a "do it yourself"game then does that mean that YOU are boring since you have no imagination of what to do in a big game like that? :roll:

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[QUOTE="Calvin079"] I haven't played it, and quite frankly, it looks rather boring. Sure you have a big open world to do whatever you want, which sounds like fun, but at the same time, if there's not much of a main story or quest and its "do it yourself" I dunno....

Calvin079

What? It's a game where you can do whatever you want and you consider that bad? If the game is boring and you call it a "do it yourself"game then does that mean that YOU are boring since you have no imagination of what to do in a big game like that? :roll:

Yeeeeah....sorry about that....it is just a game afterall...but this is SW. Still, my apologies friend. Enjoy Stronghold 3. :oops:

Oh I know its SW, but its not like logical discussions can't happen here. And yes I will enjoy Stronghold 3 :D, you enjoy your Skyrim.

Oh I know its SW, but its not like logical discussions can't happen here. And yes I will enjoy Stronghold 3 :D, you enjoy your Skyrim.

Calvin079

While i will enjoy Heroes of M&M 6 :)

When they add proper towns at least

Based on some of the responses in this thread, it's safe to assume Skyrim is currently the "cool" game to hate.Xaero_Gravity

You're right, the amount of content this series gets from the community is mind boggling, far greater than even the likes of Mount & Blade (which has a giant modding community). You can literally play it for at least a couple of years, and due to a ton of free content, it really is the only game series that can give you the best bang for your buck. Ofcourse, i'm talking about single player games only. Can't say the same for the console versions, those are really irrelevant if you have a gaming rig.

Is it still true that there's no game bigger than Daggerfall in terms of map size?

[QUOTE="Xaero_Gravity"]Based on some of the responses in this thread, it's safe to assume Skyrim is currently the "cool" game to hate.Calvin079

Is it still true that there's no game bigger than Daggerfall in terms of map size?

WTA2k5

Nah, Minecraft is eight times the size of Earth.

Sorry Elder Scrolls haters but it's true....you haters can say it's boring, or too long or mach the combat system or whatever else you guy's usually complain about.

However you can't deny for the expensive price of $65.00 a game after tax, that the Elder Scrolls game's give you the most for your buck.

I mean c'mon what other game can you play for months and never do the same thing twice you mean all the copy pasted dungeons in Oblivion werent doing the same thing twice?, or have your choice of over 300 locations to explore more like 4 areas over and over again, with Oblivion at least. Morrowind (whose dungeons were extremely small, or Daggerfall which were randomly gneerated, or your choice of hundereds of quests most of them being terribly designed, not to mention the character choices like?, the attention to detail with the exception of Morrowind, Elder Scrolls has had terrible attention to detail wether it is the copy paste job in Oblivion or the Randomly generated world in Daggerfall and Arena, the natural change of weather from one area to the next does this affect gameplay or rather anything?, while day sets into night.

You can make your own health and magic potions and hunt your own food, and own a home in every major city, while obtaining lethal weapons, and magic spells to use on vicious creatures, animals and thieves of all walks of life.

You can speak with hundreds of different people, and join multiple guilds, do battle in arena's to earn gold, armor and weapons yet, what is the point because money has never been an issue in elder scrolls and with Oblivion, the rewards were utterly pointless since they are scaled to your level, plus there is no challange in any of the games .....all these features and more allow you to spend months and years getting lost in the massive world of Elder Scrolls, and no other game has that kind of variety, detail or longevity.

It's simply the best series ever made....I.M.O.

Slimmin360

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The Sims, Mount&Blade, Depths of Peril, Starcraft, Diablo, Warcraft, Harvest Moon, Rune Factory, any mmo, Minecraft, Terraria, X series (heck any space sim for that matter), Civilization, Total War, Stronghold series, Dwarf Fortress, Team Fortress, Counterstrike, Guild Wars and probably a whole lot of other games that I am missing would like to have a word with you.

Plus, as of recently, the series has just not been fun, so boring that while the 300 dungeons may be there, they are just not worth exploring.

Brawl had alot of content for $50

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For all those who hate on the Oblivion can I just ask one thing. What did you do in it? :?

Calvin079

The main story lore was actually kind of interesting but no I didn't feel particularly gripped with the main storyline. That said the guild questlines were slammed with stuff to do. The main problem with previous Elder Scrolls games is their copy and paste feel. However, Skyrim has a much larger dev team (like 8 dungeon designers vs Oblivion's 1) so hopefully there will be a lot more variety.

I will be playing Demons Souls and Dark Souls for many years to come, i was in the mid of my warrior playthrough in Demons souls when i left it for Dark Souls, that seems to be lasting forever too and is far longer for even one playthrough

These games i could be playing for life to see all play styles and get everything

They are juts so fun and addictive

A game that gives you your moneys worth is any game you really enjoy and dont mind playing again and again.

I agree. TES are my fsvourite series.

Oblivion... play for months and never do the same thing twice... Does not compute. In fact, I remember going into a cave that looked the same as the last cave 30 or more times. Yes, and petty thieves that somehow had Daedric Armor and Glass swords. How immersive. Oblivion sucked.DragonfireXZ95

It was good at first, then everything seemed boring and same. The combat was terrible from the first minute though

As much as I agree that it's brilliant and you get your moneys worth but I think Football Manager has more replayability.... I put 650 hours into the 2010 version.

FIFA. Every year.

Oblivion only took me 4 hours to complete the main quest, and another 10 to do all the guilds. Im sure there was more, but i didn't really enjoy it.

TC - you're partly right. The Elder Scrolls games do have a ton of content, and nobody can really deny that (although there are certainly more replayable games out there, with less repetition).

That doesn't make it a great series though. It just makes it a large one...which isn't saying all that much.

The Elder Scrolls games have the best bang per money unit. No other RPG even comes close to the depth and detail of TES.

LORD_BLACKGULT

I'd agree that the Elder Scrolls games tend to have huge amounts of content - probably not more than many other franchises, but they're up there in terms of value for money - but I'm going to have to completely disagree with this.

Many, many RPGs are much deeper and more detailed than the likes of Oblivion.
Oblivion was popular for having lots to do, and for being simple enough that any gamer could jump right into it - not for its elaborate combat system, mystifying stat-charts and complex web of in-game faction relationships (to say the least). It was popular because it *wasn't* deep.

As for detail, most of Oblivion felt copy-pasted. It didn't exactly feature many lovingly-crafted dungeons or strategicaly-placed enemies, and the environments were mostly bare and unexciting (although Morrowind was much better in that regard). The lore was there, but what fantasy RPG doesn't feature a few hundred tomes full of backstory?

Now, okay, some of the earlier games were deep and detailed, but as a whole the series hasn't exactly been consistent.

Based on some of the responses in this thread, it's safe to assume Skyrim is currently the "cool" game to hate.Xaero_Gravity

Oh sure, because there haven't been Oblivion hate threads popping up every month since 2006. :P

Zelda, Uncharted, LBP, Batman, Halo, etc.....

TrapJak

To bad the series is still medicore. And sad that modders to make it into a polished Turd since the developers can put effort to their games.

While I see Nintendo taking years to finish a Zelda game and not leaving it as a buggy game with content missing and with a broken combat.

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Zelda, Uncharted, LBP, Batman, Halo, etc.....

Mozelleple112

Obviously in his opinion, Halo, Uncharted had more bang for the buck. Especially with the multiplayers of both (Trapjak is a fan of UC multiplayer, which is perfectly fine, no need to laugh at all). And the amazing campaign that he has most likely replayed through several times, having a blast each and every time.

LBP has a map editor and with new maps being available each day, I can see how that game offers a lot more bang for the buck than Elder Scrolls.

Zelda is so darn good you may want to replay it countless times.

Besides, I would rather explore the well crafted Hyrule and its well designed dungeons over Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivous' copy pasta overworld and dungeons.

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Zelda, Uncharted, LBP, Batman, Halo, etc.....

Maroxad

Obviously in his opinion, Halo, Uncharted had more bang for the buck. Especially with the multiplayers of both (Trapjak is a fan of UC multiplayer, which is perfectly fine, no need to laugh at all). And the amazing campaign that he has most likely replayed through several times, having a blast each and every time.

LBP has a map editor and with new maps being available each day, I can see how that game offers a lot more bang for the buck than Elder Scrolls.

Zelda is so darn good you may want to replay it countless times.

Besides, I would rather explore the well crafted Hyrule and its well designed dungeons over Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivous' copy pasta overworld and dungeons.

TC, I agree with you. No single player game gives you more game time than TES.

However MP games like Diablo, Starcraft, Warcraft, League of Legends can provide 10,000 hours of entertainment and beyond, far more than games like Counterstrike, COD, Battlefield Halo etc.

I've spent probably 1000 hours in Oblivion (about 300, 250, 240, 200, 180, 160 and 60 hours among my characters) and I can easily see myself spending 300-400 hours with my first character, 200-300 with my second and 150-200 with my third in Skyrim.

GTA

TC, I agree with you. No single player game gives you more game time than TES.

However MP games like Diablo, Starcraft, Warcraft, League of Legends can provide 10,000 hours of entertainment and beyond, far more than games like Counterstrike, COD, Battlefield Halo etc.

I've spent probably 1000 hours in Oblivion (about 300, 250, 240, 200, 180, 160 and 60 hours among my characters) and I can easily see myself spending 300-400 hours with my first character, 200-300 with my second and 150-200 with my third in Skyrim.

Mozelleple112

Thatb is a ridiculous amount of time to spend on any game, ever ... Like, scary.

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TC, I agree with you. No single player game gives you more game time than TES.

However MP games like Diablo, Starcraft, Warcraft, League of Legends can provide 10,000 hours of entertainment and beyond, far more than games like Counterstrike, COD, Battlefield Halo etc.

I've spent probably 1000 hours in Oblivion (about 300, 250, 240, 200, 180, 160 and 60 hours among my characters) and I can easily see myself spending 300-400 hours with my first character, 200-300 with my second and 150-200 with my third in Skyrim.

-Snooze-

Thatb is a ridiculous amount of time to spend on any game, ever ... Like, scary.

Not really. 1000 hours isnt that much if its all you play.

TC, opinions don't equal facts. IMO Zelda's the best series ever made and the greatest game ever is Majora's Mask.

But the game isn't fun. What's the point a ton of replayability if none of it's fun?

OneSanitarium

To tell you the truth, the first Elder Scrolls I played was Morrowind. I have to say that was the worst RPG I have ever played in my life. The game throws me in the world with no explanation of what's going on and expects me to be a master at it. The combat system gave me no explanation of what to do, I'm hitting enemies and getting no damage output. Later on I find out that you have to go to some guy or skill sheet to level your sword skills. How was I supposed to know this if there is no tutorial within the game? When Oblivion came out a few years later, it was much better than Morrowind but it wasn't as outstanding as my friends hyped it up to be imo. Hopefully Skyrim will be 100 times better than the previous two games.Ikouze

GTA does.