No More Heroes GRAPICS ARE HORRIBLE!!!

I agree there locopatho. I guess I am one of those who criticize the Wii because I wanted it to be the only needed console. So my sniping at some of Nintendo's business decisions is because I want systems to carry over their good traits into the next system. This is why I like Xbox 360. i wont pretend its all perfect because it isn't. (hardware issues for one) But I think Xbox 360 has enough good sound things that Microsoft can proudly carry over into the next decade. Good online community, good developer support, good sales, good visuals (eh heh), etc. In my mind, Xbox 360 seems to be the more conservative but no less efficient and impressive console. Although people like to paint the PS3 and Xbox 360 as two big dumb lumbering machines with all power and no grace, I would say the opposite. The Xbox 360 is doing well because it's not trying to be radical and groundbreaking every single step. The games sales and scores and built-up community seems to have been attained through a long and patient road.

Nintendo on the other hand just seems to constantly disappoint me and make me feel like I'm getting a second-rate experience. You mentioned the weak 3rd-party support and some of the disappointing production quality of some games and that's what I dont want Nintendo to repeat on the next Nintendo system. I can tell you are quite satisfied because you have both systems. My criticism might be a little different because I am not just arguing about whether System A or B is a better buy, but I am looking at the system's entire future prospects. I see more good things on Xbox 360 now than I do on the Wii that I think will create an even better system next gen. (hardware, multimedia features, game library, etc) If i am biased, I would be happy to discuss and debate this, but preferably not to multiple accounts like some mysterious stranger on the previous page.

PhoebusFlows

Ah yeah every console has it's troubles and being a Nintendo fan can be trying sometimes... But hey I like you more when your willing to discuss and back up what you say :)

[QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

I watched the vids and I guess quite nice is relative to the person. To me I saw what I would call overly lazy design. The Wii is able to do far more, and while I don't mind artistic direction, I do mind it being used as a crutch.

MoldOnHold

:? travis lightsaber thingy isn't even in his hand.beast667

well not horrible, but the point is every single game after 2006 should have perfect graphics no excuses

I think even some last gen games still look pretty nice because graphics have come so far. NMH looks Ok with its own style, but won't look quite as good as SMG. I'm satisfied with Wii graphics, but to be honest, it would have been better if the Wii was more powerful. It wouldn't have to be as powerful as the 360 or PS3, and games like NMH and SMG could have looked cleaner and more impressive. Sure you could argue that with something like NMH, maybe the developers could have put more work, time, money into it. But on the other hand, Nintendo could have made it easier on them.

It does have pretty bad graphics, but its not just about graphics, im sure the gameplay is good

After this topic i went to this game section and i saw almost all gameplay videos.

I kinda agree that graphics arent good enough... But it can be good game funyou know.

Lol it should be blatantly obvious to anyone with half a brain what's going on here. No More Heroes is going to be awesome, hardcore, cool, and a lot of fun and it's on the Wii! Teh oh noes! PS3/360 fanboys can't stand it! They are in total damage control mode and I like it! They are scared of it's greatness. /thread

People act like Wii developers are making some wise choice staying with a different art-style. In order to have a style you need to have art choices. The Wii doesnt have much choices when it comes to how a game will look. They're restricted by that lame hardware inside the Wii. I think the Wii has no power to do anything that looks better than many Xbox1 games.

PhoebusFlows

No....SMG looks better than almost every xbox 1 game :|

Lol it should be blatantly obvious to anyone with half a brain what's going on here. No More Heroes is going to be awesome, hardcore, cool, and a lot of fun and it's on the Wii! Teh oh noes! PS3/360 fanboys can't stand it! They are in total damage control mode and I like it! They are scared of it's greatness. /thread

Ghost_Dub

Maybe will be all these youre mentioning.

But still gameplay movies i saw ,dont make me say it has good graphics.

[QUOTE="Ghost_Dub"]

Lol it should be blatantly obvious to anyone with half a brain what's going on here. No More Heroes is going to be awesome, hardcore, cool, and a lot of fun and it's on the Wii! Teh oh noes! PS3/360 fanboys can't stand it! They are in total damage control mode and I like it! They are scared of it's greatness. /thread

AzatiS

Maybe will be all these youre mentioning.

But still gameplay movies i saw ,dont make me say it has good graphics.

[QUOTE="MoldOnHold"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

I would have to agree that it's looks pretty bad. Even for it's artistic direction it just looks poor technically. And even if I do give them the right of way to do what they want artistically it merely looks lke they used it as a crutch to get away with being lazy all over, especially on environments.

It looks fun, but for today's standards even considering it's "OMG style" it's still poor imho.

-RPGamer-

I watched the vids and I guess quite nice is relative to the person. To me I saw what I would call overly lazy design. The Wii is able to do far more, and while I don't mind artistic direction, I do mind it being used as a crutch.

I'm sure I'll enjoy the game, but I won't/don't care for the visuals, even artistically.

And this is no attack on the Wii, Disgaea 3 is by far worse and it's on the PS3. The games a joke graphically, NIS hasn't evolved their ability since the PSX.

I totally agree with you on the Disgaea 3 thing. I saw the screens, and I could not help but be saddened by the fact that NIS still seems to be stuck in the last generation. Shame considering how great their storywriting is.

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]blah blah, does GAMEPLAY ring a bell?Always-Honest

Come on, we're talking about a Suda 51 game here.

a.ka. imaginative, inspired, brutal, weird, different, unique, the game is getting great reviews. i like great 720P graphics like the next guy, but great gameplay is the most important. even the worst spoken dialogues wont ruin good gameplay for me.

People are missing out on great games, just because they are graphic-slaves.

Right. That's all part of the game's presentation and style. It's you who are the graphics-slave. IRONIC TWIST! Killer 7 barely had gameplay. While NMH probably has a bit more, it's probably not gonna be a whole lot. It kind of seems like God Hand really.

I dont see these terrible graphics. Everything I've seen has been stellar. This reminds me of the hatred towards windwaker, and how so many people complained about the horrible graphics. Truth is that it is artistic style, which involves something a lot different then trying to make the most realistic looking game possible. If you dont know that then you just have no taste for art. Simple as that, since windwaker and no more heroes have great looking games, but are invested in artistic style rather than realism.

This doesn't have to be a bad thing, you can like what you want, but there is a HUGE difference between a game that doesn't look realistic because of lack of investment or other programming failures, and another game that doesn't look realistic because of a conscious decision to make the game in a certain style.

GunSmith1_basic

Having an art style doesn't make it an appealing one... I got a headache just from watching screenshots of Killer 7. NMH fares a bit better, but I wouldn't call it a pretty game. Boxy geometry, flat colors, flat lighting and harsh contrasts don't really do it for me. And if you check out some motorbike screens it looks like a fairly mediocre GTA clone.

[QUOTE="ArcticSnake"]

Umm... all the things that make Suda51 games great once again don't have anything to do with gameplay. Killer7's gameplay was complete bull but that didn't stop the game from having the best presentation, style, and story in any game. No more Heroes looks extremely repetetive and I can't imagine how boring the game must be once I get my hands on it but Suda does presentation and style right. That is all a Suda51 fan needs. That is why I am anticipating NMH every day.

enduin

That may all be well and true for previous Suda/Grasshopper games, but from all the reviews and import impressions Ive seen, one of the biggest points has been the fighting is very fun and visceral, and once the gameplay starts to get a little stale and repetitive things change up to bring freshness back in. So I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at the actual fun factor of the game in addition to its awesome style and story.

I refuse to believe this news. Do you have proof for these outrageous accusations?

I refuse to believe this news. Do you have proof for these outrageous accusations?

InsaneBasura

Always. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21540

You can look up any of the other previews or reviews from news outlets, they all say generally the same, positive, things.

[QUOTE="MoldOnHold"][QUOTE="-RPGamer-"]

I watched the vids and I guess quite nice is relative to the person. To me I saw what I would call overly lazy design. The Wii is able to do far more, and while I don't mind artistic direction, I do mind it being used as a crutch.

beast667

Your grammer and spelling are horrible. Artistic design goes far above "grapics".omgburgerking

[QUOTE="Always-Honest"]

a.ka. imaginative, inspired, brutal, weird, different, unique, the game is getting great reviews. i like great 720P graphics like the next guy, but great gameplay is the most important. even the worst spoken dialogues wont ruin good gameplay for me.

People are missing out on great games, just because they are graphic-slaves.

InsaneBasura

Right. That's all part of the game's presentation and **** It's you who are the graphics-slave. IRONIC TWIST! Killer 7 barely had gameplay. While NMH probably has a bit more, it's probably not gonna be a whole lot. It kind of seems like God Hand really.

imagination, inspired, different, unique , etc, can easily aplie to gameplay... just not in your eyes. graphics-boy