No more RRoD??? is it possible?

there have been rumors about a new chipset called Valhalla. In this MS plans to combine the GPU and the CPUon a single die. This will greatly reduce the heat generated making it much quieter cheaper and more effecient. could this be the end of RRoD? It is also rumored that with the valhalla chipset it is possilbe to make a 360 slim? This may be the last major redesign.

source:

http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/02/15/xbox.360.valhalla.rumor/

what do you think? Google 'Valhalla chip'

i apologize if this is old news. Keep it clean.discuss.

sounds promising, just hope it can deliverace-of-spades93

54% FAILURE RATE. MS is too busy working on Natal when they havent even fixed the failure rate. It will never be fixed HaloIs4Nerds

If you want to deal with percentages, then a 100% self ownage rate for mentioning that number. Read my sig and be schooled in reality....

54% FAILURE RATE. MS is too busy working on Natal when they havent even fixed the failure rate. It will never be fixed HaloIs4Nerds

actually the falure rate is 8% last I checked. A survey from game informer is NOT the most accurate way for you to get information on these things.

It wont be the end of RROD... you know... like since everyone 360 out right now has a possibility to RROD. Brainkiller05

Yeah like the PS2 never got fixed either. :roll: It's going to get fixed the day the 45nm CPU and GPU are out for the 360.

The article is dated FEB 15, 2008.

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[QUOTE="HaloIs4Nerds"]54% FAILURE RATE. MS is too busy working on Natal when they havent even fixed the failure rate. It will never be fixed MizFitAwesome

If you want to deal with percentages, then a 100% self ownage rate for mentioning that number. Read my sig and be schooled in reality....

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]It wont be the end of RROD... you know... like since everyone 360 out right now has a possibility to RROD. PS3_3DO

Yeah like the PS2 never got fixed either. :roll: It's going to get fixed the day the 45nm CPU and GPU are out for the 360.

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]The day the 360 quits being crap is the day Microsoft will get to be a respectable company: NEVER. 54% of pure FAILmoose_knuckler

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]The day the 360 quits being crap is the day Microsoft will get to be a respectable company: NEVER. 54% of pure FAILmoose_knuckler

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"]The day the 360 quits being crap is the day Microsoft will get to be a respectable company: NEVER. 54% of pure FAILRedruM_I

5000 people hardly make up enough evidence to support 30 million sold. If you believe that you are severly deluding yourself. It's like the 1st statement in my sig. Prove the poll was well made, if you intend to use it...

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"]The day the 360 quits being crap is the day Microsoft will get to be a respectable company: NEVER. 54% of pure FAILtok1879

Yes 1.7% of an installed yser base is really an accurate barametor to go by :roll:

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"]The day the 360 quits being crap is the day Microsoft will get to be a respectable company: NEVER. 54% of pure FAILtok1879

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]Like PS_3DO said, prove those numbers or GTFO. Maybe something over 5k randomly chosen people if you don't mind ;).MizFitAwesome

Yes 1.7% of an installed yser base is really an accurate barametor to go by :roll:

Here are the noteworthy quotes.

"A new national poll suggests that three out of four Americans approve of the job Barack Obama is doing as president"

"The survey was conducted Saturday and Sunday, with 806 adult Americans questioned by telephone."

So according to your logic, this can never be accurate in a nation of about 305 million people.

[QUOTE="moose_knuckler"][QUOTE="RedruM_I"]The day the 360 quits being crap is the day Microsoft will get to be a respectable company: NEVER. 54% of pure FAILRedruM_I

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="tok1879"] Why? 5k not good enough for you?tok1879

Yes 1.7% of an installed yser base is really an accurate barametor to go by :roll:

It can't how can 806 random people speak for 305 million? Anyone with working knowledge of mathamatical logic can see that...

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]Like PS_3DO said, prove those numbers or GTFO. Maybe something over 5k randomly chosen people if you don't mind ;).MizFitAwesome

5000 people hardly make up enough evidence to support 30 million sold. If you believe that you are severly deluding yourself. It's like the 1st statement in my sig. Prove the poll was well made, if you intend to use it...

Statistical analysis failure.

5000 is a big enough sample. Political polls from Gallup often don't have any more than that, and they're supposed to represent 300 million.

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"] Show me proof to the contrary. You clearly don't know how polls work. 5000 is more than enough if the poll is well made. To refute something you need something called evidence.dkrustyklown

5000 people hardly make up enough evidence to support 30 million sold. If you believe that you are severly deluding yourself. It's like the 1st statement in my sig. Prove the poll was well made, if you intend to use it...

Statistical analysis failure.

5000 is a big enough sample. Political polls from Gallup often don't have any more than that, and they're supposed to represent 300 million.

Yeah, the gallup poll really helped John Kerry win in 2004, didn't it? You just helped prove my point....

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"][QUOTE="moose_knuckler"]Like PS_3DO said, prove those numbers or GTFO. Maybe something over 5k randomly chosen people if you don't mind ;).MizFitAwesome

5000 people hardly make up enough evidence to support 30 million sold. If you believe that you are severly deluding yourself. It's like the 1st statement in my sig. Prove the poll was well made, if you intend to use it...

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="tok1879"] Why? 5k not good enough for you?tok1879

Yes 1.7% of an installed yser base is really an accurate barametor to go by :roll:

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

Yes 1.7% of an installed yser base is really an accurate barametor to go by :roll:

MizFitAwesome

It can't how can 806 random people speak for 305 million? Anyone with working knowledge of mathamatical logic can see that...

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

Yes 1.7% of an installed yser base is really an accurate barametor to go by :roll:

MizFitAwesome

It can't how can 806 random people speak for 305 million? Anyone with working knowledge of mathamatical logic can see that...

[QUOTE="dkrustyklown"]

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

5000 people hardly make up enough evidence to support 30 million sold. If you believe that you are severly deluding yourself. It's like the 1st statement in my sig. Prove the poll was well made, if you intend to use it...

MizFitAwesome

Statistical analysis failure.

5000 is a big enough sample. Political polls from Gallup often don't have any more than that, and they're supposed to represent 300 million.

Yeah, the gallup poll really helped John Kerry win in 2004, didn't it? You just helped prove my point....

Percentages taken from the total number of owners of each respective system

That's what the 1st page of this poll says at the bottom. So you don't even know if this is 5000 360 owners used. As far as we know it could of have been 20 actual 360 owners. The name of the poll says it all, EPIC FAIL

[QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

[QUOTE="tok1879"] Lol, you have no idea how polls work, do you? Okay, use this link as an example. link Here are the noteworthy quotes. "A new national poll suggests that three out of four Americans approve of the job Barack Obama is doing as president" "The survey was conducted Saturday and Sunday, with 806 adult Americans questioned by telephone." So according to your logic, this can never be accurate in a nation of about 305 million people.tok1879

It can't how can 806 random people speak for 305 million? Anyone with working knowledge of mathamatical logic can see that...

Thank you. You have totally proven I am right. Polls are uesless to use as relible information. Unless they poll every user.....

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

Yes 1.7% of an installed yser base is really an accurate barametor to go by :roll:

mythrol

Dude, i'm not claiming that the GI poll is accurate, i'm just saying its possible to know what the failure rate is with a sample even less than that, and as for your inquiry about the details of the poll of my link, these polls are done by people who do it for a living, so the sample size and margin of error should suffce. How many other polls that are considered in more serious events like a presidential election cite those details? How big do you think their sample size is? And if you don't think they're big enough, then why do all these government officials put in so much time talking about them?

lol this new chip is gonna create a new problem

[QUOTE="tok1879"][QUOTE="MizFitAwesome"]

It can't how can 806 random people speak for 305 million? Anyone with working knowledge of mathamatical logic can see that...

MizFitAwesome

Thank you. You have totally proven I am right. Polls are uesless to use as relible information. Unless they poll every user.....

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="tok1879"] Lol, you have no idea how polls work, do you? Okay, use this link as an example. link Here are the noteworthy quotes. "A new national poll suggests that three out of four Americans approve of the job Barack Obama is doing as president" "The survey was conducted Saturday and Sunday, with 806 adult Americans questioned by telephone." So according to your logic, this can never be accurate in a nation of about 305 million people.tok1879

Dude, i'm not claiming that the GI poll is accurate, i'm just saying its possible to know what the failure rate is with a sample even less than that, and as for your inquiry about the details of the poll of my link, these polls are done by people who do it for a living, so the sample size and margin of error should suffce. How many other polls that are considered in more serious events like a presidential election cite those details? How big do you think their sample size is? And if you don't think they're big enough, then why do all these government officials put in so much time talking about them?

there have been rumors about a new chipset called Valhalla. In this MS plans to combine the GPU and the CPUon a single die. This will greatly reduce the heat generated making it much quieter cheaper and more effecient. could this be the end of RRoD? It is also rumored that with the valhalla chipset it is possilbe to make a 360 slim? This may be the last major redesign.

source:

http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/02/15/xbox.360.valhalla.rumor/

what do you think? Google 'Valhalla chip'

i apologize if this is old news. Keep it clean.discuss.

mayceV

54% FAILURE RATE. MS is too busy working on Natal when they havent even fixed the failure rate. It will never be fixed HaloIs4Nerds

[QUOTE="HaloIs4Nerds"]54% FAILURE RATE. MS is too busy working on Natal when they havent even fixed the failure rate. It will never be fixed XanderZane

its 16% which is much lower than the 54.3% everyone claims.

In February 2008, during the Game Developers Conference 2008, Microsoft announced that the "Failure rate has officially dropped", but without mentioning any specifics.The same month, electronics warranty provider SquareTrade published an examination of 1040 Xbox 360s and said that they suffered from a failure rate of 16.4% (one in six). Of the 171 failures, 60% were due to a general hardware failure (and thus fell under the 3 year extended warranty). And of the remaining 40% which were not covered by the extended warranty, 18% were disc read errors, 13% were video card failures, 13% were hard drive freezes, 10% were power issues and 7% were disc tray malfunctions.SquareTrade also stated that its estimates are likely much lower than reality due to the time span of the sample (six to ten months).

I actually hope its about 20% it gives MS a reason to make the 360 slim. But that was before the Jasper I think the jasper has a 10% failure rate (still a lot but way less than 54.3%) Hope this rumor is true its a hugely good card to have in your hands, just hope it comes out before holiday season next year. (it means more sales which means more games).

[QUOTE="tok1879"]

[QUOTE="mythrol"] That's exactly right. That does not accurately account for anything. They give no details of the poll either. Were they all called from the same city? The same ethnicity? The same ****standard of living? To perform a Scientific poll you have to account for all of these demographics in your study. How do we know that all 5000 of those randomly polled even HAD a Xbox 360? What if some people who didn't own a 360 thought it'd be funny to lie to say their 360 RROD? The poll taken was in no way a scientific poll. Did they ask people who had different revisions on the 360 or did the large majority of the people polled own the original? The Falcon revision is by far the most owned revision as it was sold for 2 years, while the original was sold for 1, and Jasper hasn't been out for a year yet. So it would make sense if you were having a scientific poll that your poll would account for this and you'd poll 2700 with Falcon revisions. 1500 with original. and 700 with Jasper. (rough estimation) Did the poll take into account any of these factors? I highly doubt it. Then in no way could it be looked at as a scientific poll.mythrol

Dude, i'm not claiming that the GI poll is accurate, i'm just saying its possible to know what the failure rate is with a sample even less than that, and as for your inquiry about the details of the poll of my link, these polls are done by people who do it for a living, so the sample size and margin of error should suffce. How many other polls that are considered in more serious events like a presidential election cite those details? How big do you think their sample size is? And if you don't think they're big enough, then why do all these government officials put in so much time talking about them?

[QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="HaloIs4Nerds"]54% FAILURE RATE. MS is too busy working on Natal when they havent even fixed the failure rate. It will never be fixed mayceV

its 16% which is much lower than the 54.3% everyone claims.

In February 2008, during the Game Developers Conference 2008, Microsoft announced that the "Failure rate has officially dropped", but without mentioning any specifics.The same month, electronics warranty provider SquareTrade published an examination of 1040 Xbox 360s and said that they suffered from a failure rate of 16.4% (one in six). Of the 171 failures, 60% were due to a general hardware failure (and thus fell under the 3 year extended warranty). And of the remaining 40% which were not covered by the extended warranty, 18% were disc read errors, 13% were video card failures, 13% were hard drive freezes, 10% were power issues and 7% were disc tray malfunctions.SquareTrade also stated that its estimates are likely much lower than reality due to the time span of the sample (six to ten months).

I actually hope its about 20% it gives MS a reason to make the 360 slim. But that was before the Jasper I think the jasper has a 10% failure rate (still a lot but way less than 54.3%) Hope this rumor is true its a hugely good card to have in your hands, just hope it comes out before holiday season next year. (it means more sales which means more games).

wtf? why are you quoting an article from february 2008 lol