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#51  Edited By gpuking
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@True_Gamer_ said:

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That sorcerer is yet to become a game classic sony smoke and mirrors

Lol the Blurder Plasticdom is LOL

That's funny, I don't remember this Paris demo being a game either. Besides knowing QD's history their subsequent games always turned out to be better looking than the initial concept demo, crazy ey?

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#52 Ribstaylor1
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@uninspiredcup: You do realize that every console released has piracy running rampant? It's not only a pc issue. It's a world issue. **** how do you think people in third world countries play games? boot leg copies and chipped, or software hacked systems. **** on ps1 I had 100+ games I got from the net, that I played on my chipped ps1. It's so rampent on xbox 360 in some places of the world that you wouldn't even find a store to sell you a legit copy, as pirated versions are the norm. I understand people pirate by the 1000's, but to say it's worth ignoring a whole 125 million customers on steam alone is absurd if your talking about pirating as the reason for doing so. As it's rampant in all industries of gaming not just the pc.

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#53 True_Gamer_
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@gpuking said:

@True_Gamer_ said:

@gpuking

That sorcerer is yet to become a game classic sony smoke and mirrors

Lol the Blurder Plasticdom is LOL

That's funny, I don't remember this Paris demo being a game either. Besides knowing QD's history their subsequent games always turned out to be better looking than the initial concept demo, crazy ey?

Look at new unreal gameplay

The lightning is not far

And we are talking about graphics advancements and there is a huge room for improvement

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#54  Edited By Spitfire-Six
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@parkurtommo said:

@True_Gamer_ said:

I read this thing all day here in SW....

Since when games look like this?

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If and when we get a game that looks like that AND EVEN THEN there is ALWAYS PLENTY of room for improvement

This runs on Unreal Engine, even my PC can run it, I've tried. average at about 58 fps with a 970. This is what Unreal Tournament will look like. So yeah.

Bad example, everything is baked.

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#55 Wasdie  Moderator
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One thing you have to know about these scenes is they are very small and static. Expanding their complexity and adding dynamic moving objects in the scene would destroy framerates.

Don't get me wrong, it's a sign of good things to come. Just temper your expectations a bit.

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#56 gpuking
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Also not to forget this.

Looks even better than this Paris demo.

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#57 Wasdie  Moderator
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@gpuking: One good looking character model + depth of field to blur out the background details because they are not half as good looking as the character model itself.

You're only fooling yourself.

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#58 gpuking
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@Wasdie said:

@gpuking: One good looking character model + depth of field to blur out the background details because they are not half as good looking as the character model itself.

You're only fooling yourself.

Environment does look pretty good too even from those compressed shots.

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#59 Wasdie  Moderator
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@gpuking: Not really. Graphically the game is super underwhelming.

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#60  Edited By deactivated-57d8401f17c55
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@nyadc said:

@Chozofication said:

Nothing outstanding about that demo.

Nothing outstanding? It's the most visually realistic 'game' in existence running on real game engine technology that you can actually interact with. This demo almost completely bridges the uncanny valley, if you stop and put your view in one spot and step back from your monitor the simulation peels away, your brain starts to accept what you're seeing as something real.

Nothing outstanding? Everything about this is outstanding, it's incredible.

It doesn't look anywhere near real. Lol, I remember when people said Riddick looked real (OG xbox)

Plus it has the same BS post processing so many games have today, what the hell is with developers and chromatic abberation, (bad) motion blur, lens flare, color filters, film grain it all looks so shit.

Worse developers seem to operate on a hive mind and feel like they need to include all this or something.

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#61  Edited By NyaDC
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@Chozofication said:

@nyadc said:

@Chozofication said:

Nothing outstanding about that demo.

Nothing outstanding? It's the most visually realistic 'game' in existence running on real game engine technology that you can actually interact with. This demo almost completely bridges the uncanny valley, if you stop and put your view in one spot and step back from your monitor the simulation peels away, your brain starts to accept what you're seeing as something real.

Nothing outstanding? Everything about this is outstanding, it's incredible.

It doesn't look anywhere near real. Lol, I remember when people said Riddick looked real (OG xbox)

Plus it has the same BS post processing so many games have today, what the hell is with developers and chromatic abberation, (bad) motion blur, lens flare, color filters, film grain it all looks so shit.

Worse developers seem to operate on a hive mind and feel like they need to include all this or something.

Yeah ok....

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#62 napo_sp
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in star citizen, single ships will contain more details than entire games from consoles

combine this damage model

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with this detailed ships interiors, exteriors and mechanical systems

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uncharted? the order? literally look like toddler's toy vs hypercar.

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#64 cainetao11
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@True_Gamer_ said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@True_Gamer_ said:

@uninspiredcup said:

Games are predominantly built for consoles rather than pc, with fixed hardware due to a tiny user-base with powerful machines and a rampant amount of piracy.

It's logical to ignore pc gamer.

Is piracy same as last gen lower or worst?

Being an older gamer, with experience and vast amounts of chest hair, I remember the days of 56k.

Now, young people can steal huge amounts of data at the click of a button. The console consumer is more reliable to purchase a product rather than steal it using entitlement as an excuse.

Thousands of hours of man work for men and woman who must feed families deserves to be rewarded. Pc gamers do not respect the right to live in the same manner the console consumer does, with humility and dignity.

Instead, it's all about them, them, them.

Fucking hell.

So if piracy has gotten worst...

Why EA ported one of its FLAGSHIP game ENGINES like FIFA?

Last gen PC gamers had to wait 5 years to get ps360's FIFA ENGINE...

This gen it took 10 months...

How really strange huh?

PS. Oh and from now on ill start calling voyeurism rape. And even looking at a woman Is from now on considered sexual molestation.

Welcome to Sharia law son.

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#65  Edited By Gue1
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@ribstaylor1 said:

@uninspiredcup: You do realize that every console released has piracy running rampant? It's not only a pc issue. It's a world issue. **** how do you think people in third world countries play games? boot leg copies and chipped, or software hacked systems. **** on ps1 I had 100+ games I got from the net, that I played on my chipped ps1. It's so rampent on xbox 360 in some places of the world that you wouldn't even find a store to sell you a legit copy, as pirated versions are the norm. I understand people pirate by the 1000's, but to say it's worth ignoring a whole 125 million customers on steam alone is absurd if your talking about pirating as the reason for doing so. As it's rampant in all industries of gaming not just the pc.

the piracy on PC is so much higher it makes the console side not look like an actual problem even with used game sales included.

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#66 parkurtommo
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@spitfire-six said:

@parkurtommo said:

@True_Gamer_ said:

I read this thing all day here in SW....

Since when games look like this?

Loading Video...

If and when we get a game that looks like that AND EVEN THEN there is ALWAYS PLENTY of room for improvement

This runs on Unreal Engine, even my PC can run it, I've tried. average at about 58 fps with a 970. This is what Unreal Tournament will look like. So yeah.

Bad example, everything is baked.

We'll see. Unreal Tournament already looks amazing, who knows how good future maps will look...

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@nyadc said:

@Chozofication said:

@nyadc said:

@Chozofication said:

Nothing outstanding about that demo.

Nothing outstanding? It's the most visually realistic 'game' in existence running on real game engine technology that you can actually interact with. This demo almost completely bridges the uncanny valley, if you stop and put your view in one spot and step back from your monitor the simulation peels away, your brain starts to accept what you're seeing as something real.

Nothing outstanding? Everything about this is outstanding, it's incredible.

It doesn't look anywhere near real. Lol, I remember when people said Riddick looked real (OG xbox)

Plus it has the same BS post processing so many games have today, what the hell is with developers and chromatic abberation, (bad) motion blur, lens flare, color filters, film grain it all looks so shit.

Worse developers seem to operate on a hive mind and feel like they need to include all this or something.

Yeah ok....

If you think that's indistinguishable from real life, you need to get your eyes checked.

Of course we are getting closer and closer but I can easily tell it's computer graphics.

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#68 NyaDC
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@Chozofication said:

@nyadc said:

@Chozofication said:

@nyadc said:

@Chozofication said:

Nothing outstanding about that demo.

Nothing outstanding? It's the most visually realistic 'game' in existence running on real game engine technology that you can actually interact with. This demo almost completely bridges the uncanny valley, if you stop and put your view in one spot and step back from your monitor the simulation peels away, your brain starts to accept what you're seeing as something real.

Nothing outstanding? Everything about this is outstanding, it's incredible.

It doesn't look anywhere near real. Lol, I remember when people said Riddick looked real (OG xbox)

Plus it has the same BS post processing so many games have today, what the hell is with developers and chromatic abberation, (bad) motion blur, lens flare, color filters, film grain it all looks so shit.

Worse developers seem to operate on a hive mind and feel like they need to include all this or something.

Yeah ok....

If you think that's indistinguishable from real life, you need to get your eyes checked.

Of course we are getting closer and closer but I can easily tell it's computer graphics.

"It's the most visually realistic 'game' in existence"

True

"This demo almost completely bridges the uncanny valley"

True

"your brain starts to accept what you're seeing as something real."

True

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley

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Though impressive why do we NEED said graphics? If there is one thing the industry is not slumping on is graphical advancement.. Meanwhile game depth, mechanics and overall quality has been taking a nose dive in the majority of the top graphical games out there.. It's the same bullshit we have been seeing for like 10 years now..

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#70 Ribstaylor1
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@Gue1: Lets see some numbers proving this then.

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#71 Midnightshade29
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@uninspiredcup:

That is my view entirely and I have been saying for years... but so called "PC gamers" around here are only concerned with "winning" some non-existant war. The PC hasn't had a tech pushing exclusive FPS since 2007 with Crysis. Before that we had 3 stalker games, neverwinter nights 2, far cry 1, half-life 2, doom 3, NOLF 1 and 2, Fear, Vampire Bloodlines, Soldier of fortune, return to castle wolfenstien, cod1 / 2, Quake 3, UT 2004/99 , Unreal, Quake 2, Clive Barkers Undying.....etc....

Gen 6 was loaded to the brim of "TECH Pushing" pc games. Then the 360 happened and western devs got stolen by M$ to make games for 360 and most of them died....or stayed with console. PC nowadays gets ports from console made for gamepad first.... or crappy mobas (that killed the rts genre :(

I love old school pc games like wasteland 2 and the new rpgs coming out, but I also loved PC only FPS games.... they are no longer... everything is multiplayer only (look at valve and their "We only make competitive games now" debacle" Half-life 3 is nowhere.. Carmack jumped ship to VR... CRytek is doing console engines, and xb1 exclusive kinect remapped games.... We are left with FREE 2 play games or star citizen which isn't even out yet... or warcraft 3 style mobas (god i hate those things)..

Please inform me of the pioneers of graphical games that the pc is getting... hint, there isn't any.

I play gamepad games on ps4. I would love for a tech pushing PC FPS or RTS ...but they aren't happening. I bet the next diablo will be built for console too...

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#72 Midnightshade29
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@uninspiredcup said: When was the last time pc gamers had a...

FPS Made with PC in mind? Sure:

Arma, Hard Reset, Stalker, Crysis, Metro, BattleField, CS:GO

Many more this gen: Unreal Tournament, Toxikkk, OverWatch, CyberPunk, etc.

These 2 lists surely destroy the trash known as CoD,Halo,Killzone. lol console fps.

Using a tiny percentage scenario against the vast, overwhelming paradox will not change reality.

Metacritic and Gamespot disagree (scoress). As do DFC/JPR (sales). You are not as reputable as those 4 sources.

First list are old gen... 2nd list are free to play MULTIPLAYER ONLY and most are free2play , or tf2 rip off (overwatch)

So yeah you spouting out games that have no Single player prooves uninspired's point.

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@True_Gamer_: Who said that real-world graphics is the ultimate goal? Where is this idea coming from? How many games do you think could have this graphical style at once in the market?

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lol @ people who don't think reality can be improved upon.

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#76  Edited By True_Gamer_
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@Midnightshade29 said:

@uninspiredcup:

That is my view entirely and I have been saying for years... but so called "PC gamers" around here are only concerned with "winning" some non-existant war. The PC hasn't had a tech pushing exclusive FPS since 2007 with Crysis. Before that we had 3 stalker games, neverwinter nights 2, far cry 1, half-life 2, doom 3, NOLF 1 and 2, Fear, Vampire Bloodlines, Soldier of fortune, return to castle wolfenstien, cod1 / 2, Quake 3, UT 2004/99 , Unreal, Quake 2, Clive Barkers Undying.....etc....

Gen 6 was loaded to the brim of "TECH Pushing" pc games. Then the 360 happened and western devs got stolen by M$ to make games for 360 and most of them died....or stayed with console. PC nowadays gets ports from console made for gamepad first.... or crappy mobas (that killed the rts genre :(

I love old school pc games like wasteland 2 and the new rpgs coming out, but I also loved PC only FPS games.... they are no longer... everything is multiplayer only (look at valve and their "We only make competitive games now" debacle" Half-life 3 is nowhere.. Carmack jumped ship to VR... CRytek is doing console engines, and xb1 exclusive kinect remapped games.... We are left with FREE 2 play games or star citizen which isn't even out yet... or warcraft 3 style mobas (god i hate those things)..

Please inform me of the pioneers of graphical games that the pc is getting... hint, there isn't any.

I play gamepad games on ps4. I would love for a tech pushing PC FPS or RTS ...but they aren't happening. I bet the next diablo will be built for console too...

Tech is pushed by MMO and RTS.

And even racing

Why do we have to play FPS all day?