No Russian Mission was pointless and devoid of any logic.

So you are an American task force working undercover. So as the mission starts, you watch the terrorists shoot the people in the airport while you are standing behind them.

Given that you are in the military and are sworn to protect the lives of the helpless, it is obvious you would shot the terrorists in the head while they had their backs turned against you. I did that apparently and I failed the mission.

The second part has you fighting your own team and killing them in the process. And at the end you get killed.

Pointless right?

Many people see it as "fine" aslong as its not Americans dying. Other civillians aren't that important in their eyes.

It's disgusting but thats the truth.

Many people see it as "fine" aslong as its not Americans dying. Other civillians aren't that important in their eyes.

It's disgusting but thats the truth.

WinnerByTKO

The CIA isn't part of the military for starters and secondly that no russian mission was the entire reasoning behind that events that unfolded throughout the game..

[spoiler] If I remember correctly you were suppose to be trying to get close to the terrorists so you can find out what they are up to, and the mission explained why the russians decided to invade the U.S. [/spoiler]

So you are an American task force working undercover. So as the mission starts, you watch the terrorists shoot the people in the airport while you are standing behind them.

Given that you are in the military and are sworn to protect the lives of the helpless, it is obvious you would shot the terrorists in the head while they had their backs turned against you. I did that apparently and I failed the mission.

The second part has you fighting your own team and killing them in the process. And at the end you get killed.

Pointless right?

Ninten007

What you dont understand is that General Shepard gave you orders not to shoot, it was shepards plot all along to start the war with russia.

I thought those events started the war?

If I remember correctly you were suppose to be trying to get close to the terrorists so you can find out what they are up to, and the mission explained why the russians decided to invade the U.S.

opex07

[QUOTE="WinnerByTKO"]

Many people see it as "fine" aslong as its not Americans dying. Other civillians aren't that important in their eyes.

It's disgusting but thats the truth.

carljohnson3456

You dont need to hear it because its quite obvious, look at the news, for example, recently 8 American officers died in Afghanistan, it was all over the news, 40 civillian Afghans died in the same week, it wasn't even mentioned in the most western media. Things like this happen all the time. It's also quite obvious in the hollywood movies.

The point is the military is sworn in the protect the lives of innocents across the globe. He was working undercover, but there are times when you have to break your disguise and stand up for the lives of citizens.

You were behind all the terrorists when they first started shooting, so it is a no brainer to spray your gun thus killing them quickly(you were nothing but3 feet away from them)and keeping the rest of the people in the airport safe. That is what a real military man would have done. He would not let a killing like this continue.

I think IW just made it to show off their new death animation system or something. But it is like the number 1 pointless mission ever.

It was the main reason for the war...

I rather enjoyed the ability to spray into a crowdshadow_hosi

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="WinnerByTKO"]

Many people see it as "fine" aslong as its not Americans dying. Other civillians aren't that important in their eyes.

It's disgusting but thats the truth.

WinnerByTKO

You dont need to hear it because its quite obvious, look at the news, for example, recently 8 American officers died in Afghanistan, it was all over the news, 40 civillian Afghans died in the same week, it wasn't even mentioned in the most western media. Things like this happen all the time. It's also quite obvious in the hollywood movies.

So you are an American task force working undercover. So as the mission starts, you watch the terrorists shoot the people in the airport while you are standing behind them.

Given that you are in the military and are sworn to protect the lives of the helpless, it is obvious you would shot the terrorists in the head while they had their backs turned against you. I did that apparently and I failed the mission.

The second part has you fighting your own team and killing them in the process. And at the end you get killed.

Pointless right?

Ninten007

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_warfare_2#Plot

So you are an American task force working undercover. So as the mission starts, you watch the terrorists shoot the people in the airport while you are standing behind them.

Given that you are in the military and are sworn to protect the lives of the helpless, it is obvious you would shot the terrorists in the head while they had their backs turned against you. I did that apparently and I failed the mission.

The second part has you fighting your own team and killing them in the process. And at the end you get killed.

Pointless right?

Ninten007

Many people see it as "fine" aslong as its not Americans dying. Other civillians aren't that important in their eyes.

It's disgusting but thats the truth.

WinnerByTKO

[QUOTE="opex07"]

If I remember correctly you were suppose to be trying to get close to the terrorists so you can find out what they are up to, and the mission explained why the russians decided to invade the U.S.

carljohnson3456

CIA has to do what they gotta do though, it's not the same as the military...

What you dont understand is that General Shepard gave you orders not to shoot, it was shepards plot all along to start the war with russia.

MobilechicaneX

This. If Russia were to invade the US like they did, Shepard would be given an endless supply of resources allowing him to get the revenge and such that he wanted. Makarov and the US spy were simply pawns in Shepards big picture.

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[QUOTE="opex07"]

If I remember correctly you were suppose to be trying to get close to the terrorists so you can find out what they are up to, and the mission explained why the russians decided to invade the U.S.

Espada12

CIA has to do what they gotta do though, it's not the same as the military...

^This

Besides not only do you have the option of skipping the mission but also not to shoot the civilans. Plus wasn't this the cause of the war in the game?

[QUOTE="WinnerByTKO"]

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"] How many people have ever said that? I've NEVER heard that.carljohnson3456

You dont need to hear it because its quite obvious, look at the news, for example, recently 8 American officers died in Afghanistan, it was all over the news, 40 civillian Afghans died in the same week, it wasn't even mentioned in the most western media. Things like this happen all the time. It's also quite obvious in the hollywood movies.

The Iraq war is a fine example of which civillians life is worth more. Also the Israel conflict. I don't want to go further into this discussion since this isn't a political forum, but in all honesty, dont you think it would have far worse if the ones dying were Americans? I could see the game getting banned in USA without question.

Besides not only do you have the option of skipping the mission but also not to shoot the civilans. Plus wasn't this the cause of the war in the game?Seabas989

The CIA isn't part of the military for starters and secondly that no russian mission was the entire reasoning behind that events that unfolded throughout the game..

Espada12

You would of thought an agent had half the brains to take out the terrorist leader and his assailants right there in the back. But no because you can do that later after you mauled all those people. Oh wait. You die. Shame.

Good action but Plot is so messy in parts...

In all seriousness, if you don't understand the plot of something, look it up. It's not that hard.

[QUOTE="Seabas989"]Besides not only do you have the option of skipping the mission but also not to shoot the civilans. Plus wasn't this the cause of the war in the game?carljohnson3456

Oh well I haven't played all of the campaign yet I do have some complaits like knifing someone is in automatic kill and that whole nuclear bomb scene was a bit far-fetched.

Really though, doesn't the TC's title pretty much apply to the whole campaign?

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The CIA isn't part of the military for starters and secondly that no russian mission was the entire reasoning behind that events that unfolded throughout the game..

Ontain

Makarov and Allen were both part of General Shephard's plan to start the war in the first place. Shephard specifically told Allennot to kill Makarov.

So, yeh, umm why did they let this terrorist attack go down? What do they have to gain from letting this happen? AAllxxjjnn

There could have been Americian citizens in that airport. Americans are known for traveling globally. There is an American embassy in Russia.

Is this supposed to make you hate the main villan more? I disliked Lazervic morefrom Among Theives but they did not have me my his side gunning down helpless Nepalese natives.

They could have used this time to make a worthwhile mission. Like you try to stop the airport standoff but the terrorists barely escape.

2 of my buddies are military men and they said they would have shot the terrorists especially when you were behind them and they were not paying any attention to you. To heckl with the CIA's orders

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

The CIA isn't part of the military for starters and secondly that no russian mission was the entire reasoning behind that events that unfolded throughout the game..

Ontain

I believe they put him there so they could keep tabs on his operations rather than kill him.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]So, yeh, umm why did they let this terrorist attack go down? What do they have to gain from letting this happen? opex07

Am I the only one doesnt think that MW2's storyline is completely unbelievable? It's a bit far fetched... but I didnt think it was like, "Oh come on, that could NEVER happen" kinda thing.carljohnson3456

Nah I believe it. Just look at the afghan war. Terrorist attack leads to invasion of another country.. sounds just like the game eh?

So you are an American task force working undercover. So as the mission starts, you watch the terrorists shoot the people in the airport while you are standing behind them.

Given that you are in the military and are sworn to protect the lives of the helpless, it is obvious you would shot the terrorists in the head while they had their backs turned against you. I did that apparently and I failed the mission.

The second part has you fighting your own team and killing them in the process. And at the end you get killed.

Pointless right?

Ninten007

This is correct.

No, this is an undercover mission and the purpose is to infiltrate Markarov's terrorist cell and gather information about its plans, who was involved, etc. It was about the big picture, not killing one man. Shepherd stated clearly that if you kill one scumbag, one that is worse takes his place. The civilians killed were viewed as a necessary sacrifice to stop a terrorist organization. It's sad and ugly, but I'm sure it happens all the time...sacrifice for the greater good. Agree with it or not, that is a purpose and has a point.

No, you aren't fighting your own team, you are fighting the Russian police who are responding to the attack.

No, as I stated above, it has a point...it's a logical, if ugly situation, and it is essential to MW2's overall plot.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]Am I the only one doesnt think that MW2's storyline is completely unbelievable? It's a bit far fetched... but I didnt think it was like, "Oh come on, that could NEVER happen" kinda thing.Espada12

Nah I believe it. Just look at the afghan war. Terrorist attack leads to invasion of another country.. believe it!!!

Yep, I was thinking the same. IRL, I'm pretty sure the undercover American would've shot the 3 terrorists when they were all in front of him.

But since that was too logical and the likeliest scenario, IW wouldn't want that. They had to have a reason for Russia to attack America, so the mission had to continue for the story make more sense

There could have been Americian citizens in that airport. Americans are known for traveling globally. There is an American embassy in Russia.

Is this supposed to make you hate the main villan more? I disliked Lazervic morefrom Among Theives but they did not have me my his side gunning down helpless Nepalese natives.

They could have used this time to make a worthwhile mission. Like you try to stop the airport standoff but the terrorists barely escape.

2 of my buddies are military men and they said they would have shot the terrorists especially when you were behind them and they were not paying any attention to you. To heckl with the CIA's orders

Ninten007

Oh, I'm sorry, were you the game writer?...No?...Well then, be quiet.

You haven't read the plot I so conveniently provided for you either, have you?

The point is the military is sworn in the protect the lives of innocents across the globe. Ninten007

It was essential to the plot, and gave reasoning behind the rest of the game. It was an undercover mission, therefore teh operative was to work closely with Makarov in order to garner trust etc. It's a very real tactic used, as even local Police forces go undercover in drug busts etc.

Yep, I was thinking the same. IRL, I'm pretty sure the undercover American would've shot the 3 terrorists when they were all in front of him.

But since that was too logical and the likeliest scenario, IW wouldn't want that. They had to have a reason for Russia to attack America, so the mission had to continue for the story make more sense

Doolz2024

The FBI did the same thing with the mafia... they basically let you rack up so many felonies that they could either give you the death penalty or make sure you never walk as a free man for the rest of your life.