No Russian Mission was pointless and devoid of any logic.
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Just because that's what gets the most media attention doesnt mean that people dont care about other civilians dying. I've never heard anybody call it "fine" as long as it's not Americans dying. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that this mission caused alot of controversy among alot of western media.[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"][QUOTE="WinnerByTKO"]
You dont need to hear it because its quite obvious, look at the news, for example, recently 8 American officers died in Afghanistan, it was all over the news, 40 civillian Afghans died in the same week, it wasn't even mentioned in the most western media. Things like this happen all the time. It's also quite obvious in the hollywood movies.
WinnerByTKO
The Iraq war is a fine example of which civillians life is worth more. Also the Israel conflict. I don't want to go further into this discussion since this isn't a political forum, but in all honesty, dont you think it would have far worse if the ones dying were Americans? I could see the game getting banned in USA without question.
if i'm not correct, don't two british SAS blokes kill a hell of a lot of american special forces in the last level of MW2[QUOTE="ZippySlappy"][QUOTE="WinnerByTKO"]Hmm,I kinda agree. You make a rather good point. Although people may not say that,they mean it. I'm pretty sure if I want to the UK right now they'd care more about 100 of their citizens dying instead of 100 of another's...i agree, i live in the UKMany people see it as "fine" aslong as its not Americans dying. Other civillians aren't that important in their eyes.
It's disgusting but thats the truth.
ice144
-How is this a thread that belongs in system wars?
-This game came out in November...aren't people over a 5 minute level by now?
-I can go kill civilians in Fable 2, why aren't people complaining?
-If your complaint is that IW is just trying to get the game some attention, then why take part in a 6 page thread about it?
[QUOTE="ZippySlappy"] I'm pretty sure if I want to the UK right now they'd care more about 100 of their citizens dying instead of 100 of another's...ice144i agree, i live in the UK
Exactly. People are saddened by death of course but tend to get more infuriated by mass murders when it involves their own race and ethnicity no matter what it is. WinnerByTKO, take off your "anti-american" glasses.
-How is this a thread that belongs in system wars?
-This game came out in November...aren't people over a 5 minute level by now?
-I can go kill civilians in Fable 2, why aren't people complaining?
-If your complaint is that IW is just trying to get the game some attention, then why take part in a 6 page thread about it?
kingsfan_0333
Agreed. This is old news. We wouldn't still be playing this game (or bashing it) if it was banned.
The entire plot of Modern Warfare 2 is pointless and devoid of any logic. If you really wanted to analyze the No Russian sequence, ask yourself:
"Why didn't they notice Makarov and the others on the security cameras any airport is bound to have?"
Or "Why didn't they notice the corpses of two of Makarov's conspirators that were killed before the end of the level?"
Or "Why didn't they notice that your character had a fat tattoo of the Kremlin on his torso?"
Modern Warfare 2 has a downright stupid plot that tries to trick you into thinking it's serious, powerful stuff.
[QUOTE="vitonemesis"]lol what a buch of noobs here, the main reason of that mission is to gain makarov trust, if u kill him u wont end the organization just like killing the main villian of cod4 didnt end it there. the target is the organization not makarov. its cruel and all that but it is necesary.MazochThat would be kinda like CIA helping to plan another 9/11, potentially killing thousands of innocents so they can get a mole inside Al-Quida? Do you think a CIA agent would fly a plane into a sky scraper in new York in order to try to get advanced warning of future terrorist attacks? In essence that performing the very act you're trying to prevent in order to prevent it from happening. What if said terrorist attack would in fact stop a larger attack in the future and more lives are saved in the long run?
[QUOTE="vitonemesis"]lol what a buch of noobs here, the main reason of that mission is to gain makarov trust, if u kill him u wont end the organization just like killing the main villian of cod4 didnt end it there. the target is the organization not makarov. its cruel and all that but it is necesary.MazochThat would be kinda like CIA helping to plan another 9/11, potentially killing thousands of innocents so they can get a mole inside Al-Quida? Do you think a CIA agent would fly a plane into a sky scraper in new York in order to try to get advanced warning of future terrorist attacks? In essence that performing the very act you're trying to prevent in order to prevent it from happening. That does'nt make any sense. Those are suicide attacks. What is someone from the CIA supposed to learn if he dies? No Russian would be the equivelant of helping Al-Qaeda bomb the USS Cole in Yemen so that you could infiltrate deeper and help prevent 9/11. Do you understand now? Its not a complicated concept people.
Yeah it isn't completely devoid of logic but its logic is so messy and so stupid that you can't help but go WTF when you hear it. Not to mention that there is zero emotional impact from the scene and doesn't really motivate the player to do anything but go through the motions.
Sad really because I had hoped they would of used that scene to say something but in the end they say nothing and do nothing meaningful with the mission.
So you are an American task force working undercover. So as the mission starts, you watch the terrorists shoot the people in the airport while you are standing behind them.
Given that you are in the military and are sworn to protect the lives of the helpless, it is obvious you would shot the terrorists in the head while they had their backs turned against you. I did that apparently and I failed the mission.
The second part has you fighting your own team and killing them in the process. And at the end you get killed.
Pointless right?
Ninten007
The point of the mission is to make you question, how far are you willing to go to defend your country and loved ones? Like Shepherd says in the briefing: "It will cost you a piece of yourself. It will cost nothing compared to everything it will save." You're naive, if you think that things like No Russian don't happen in real life. Most people just don't want to know. I think it was a well made mission and really made you think, which most games nowadays don't do.
the CIA has done much worse than had one of their operatives kill innocents at an airport. The whole point of the CIA is to kill people that the US doesn't like, overthrow democratically elected leaders that don't like the US, if 100s or thousands civilians die, oh well. KukicAdoKukicAdo that is simply asinine. There is no proof of the CIA ever slaughtering innocent civilians. You are worse than the people who believe President Bush caused 9/11 on purpose.
[QUOTE="Ninten007"]
So you are an American task force working undercover. So as the mission starts, you watch the terrorists shoot the people in the airport while you are standing behind them.
Given that you are in the military and are sworn to protect the lives of the helpless, it is obvious you would shot the terrorists in the head while they had their backs turned against you. I did that apparently and I failed the mission.
The second part has you fighting your own team and killing them in the process. And at the end you get killed.
Pointless right?
The point of the mission is to make you question, how far are you willing to go to defend your country and loved ones? Like Shepherd says in the briefing: "It will cost you a piece of yourself. It will cost nothing compared to everything it will save." You're naive, if you think that things like No Russian don't happen in real life. Most people just don't want to know. I think it was a well made mission and really made you think, which most games nowadays don't do.
Please he's naive? You are naive if you actually believe something that outlandish has happened. Sure it made you think, but there were so many gaping plot holes that it defeated its entire original purpose.Another contradiction is... the entire rest of the game you're not supposed to shoot civilians and what not... but you can mow down people in the airport with no consequence...[QUOTE="opex07"]
If I remember correctly you were suppose to be trying to get close to the terrorists so you can find out what they are up to, and the mission explained why the russians decided to invade the U.S.
carljohnson3456
You do play as different people throughout the course of the game though and they all have different motives... In this case it did say it was allen but he was working as a CIA operative or something along those lines. Now we all know that the CIA aren't exactly founded on morality irl.
The entire plot of Modern Warfare 2 is pointless and devoid of any logic. If you really wanted to analyze the No Russian sequence, ask yourself:
"Why didn't they notice Makarov and the others on the security cameras any airport is bound to have?"
Or "Why didn't they notice the corpses of two of Makarov's conspirators that were killed before the end of the level?"
Or "Why didn't they notice that your character had a fat tattoo of the Kremlin on his torso?"
Modern Warfare 2 has a downright stupid plot that tries to trick you into thinking it's serious, powerful stuff.
Quoted for truth.[QUOTE="KukicAdo"]the CIA has done much worse than had one of their operatives kill innocents at an airport. The whole point of the CIA is to kill people that the US doesn't like, overthrow democratically elected leaders that don't like the US, if 100s or thousands civilians die, oh well. mynameisdumbKukicAdo that is simply asinine. There is no proof of the CIA ever slaughtering innocent civilians. You are worse than the people who believe President Bush caused 9/11 on purpose.
He is exaggerating but they are surrounded by controversy, and pretty much always have been.
The story in itself didn't make much sense...
Have you people even played the game?
Makarov wasn't some hot shot terrorist. He was pawn of Shepard and his plot to start a world war. So was your character. You both get owned by Shepard. Awesome plot imo.
KukicAdo that is simply asinine. There is no proof of the CIA ever slaughtering innocent civilians. You are worse than the people who believe President Bush caused 9/11 on purpose.[QUOTE="mynameisdumb"][QUOTE="KukicAdo"]the CIA has done much worse than had one of their operatives kill innocents at an airport. The whole point of the CIA is to kill people that the US doesn't like, overthrow democratically elected leaders that don't like the US, if 100s or thousands civilians die, oh well. Leejjohno
He is exaggerating but they are surrounded by controversy, and pretty much always have been.
Sure, controversy. But how much of that is actually true is another issue entirely. Lots of people think we never landed on the moon, just like lots of people believe the CIA is willing to slaughter hundreds of innocent people for no good reason. Just because people believe them doesn't make either true. What is for sure, is something as overarchingly stupid as the actions your character takes in the "No Russian" mission would NEVER happen in the real world.[QUOTE="Leejjohno"][QUOTE="mynameisdumb"] KukicAdo that is simply asinine. There is no proof of the CIA ever slaughtering innocent civilians. You are worse than the people who believe President Bush caused 9/11 on purpose. mynameisdumb
He is exaggerating but they are surrounded by controversy, and pretty much always have been.
Sure, controversy. But how much of that is actually true is another issue entirely. Lots of people think we never landed on the moon, just like lots of people believe the CIA is willing to slaughter hundreds of innocent people for no good reason. Just because people believe them doesn't make either true. What is for sure, is something as overarchingly stupid as the actions your character takes in the "No Russian" mission would NEVER happen in the real world. The worrying part is not that it has happened and the CIA is responsible. I honestly don't think anything like that has happened yet, but the fact that it could happen, and no one else would ever (emphasis on the ever) know is what gets most people.[QUOTE="Leejjohno"][QUOTE="mynameisdumb"] KukicAdo that is simply asinine. There is no proof of the CIA ever slaughtering innocent civilians. You are worse than the people who believe President Bush caused 9/11 on purpose. mynameisdumb
He is exaggerating but they are surrounded by controversy, and pretty much always have been.
Sure, controversy. But how much of that is actually true is another issue entirely. Lots of people think we never landed on the moon, just like lots of people believe the CIA is willing to slaughter hundreds of innocent people for no good reason. Just because people believe them doesn't make either true. What is for sure, is something as overarchingly stupid as the actions your character takes in the "No Russian" mission would NEVER happen in the real world.I agree... it is just an action game and that scene is there purely to invoke emotion, which it does successfully imo but yes, it's just some over the top BS. I am not so sure we did land on the moon, but at the same time I don't really give a **** whether we did or did not.
Remember though that as long as a cause can be justified, somebody will be willing to kill for it given that they can get away with it - partially because people like me don't give a ****.
Have you people even played the game?
Makarov wasn't some hot shot terrorist. He was pawn of Shepard and his plot to start a world war. So was your character. You both get owned by Shepard. Awesome plot imo.
You thought the plot was awesome? Can you just explain why you thought so? I mean, I thought it was abmysal trash with no explanation, reason, logic, or character devolopment.Please he's naive? You are naive if you actually believe something that outlandish has happened. Sure it made you think, but there were so many gaping plot holes that it defeated its entire original purpose. mynameisdumb
You're naive to presume that CIA, Mossad or other secret services wouldn't kill innocents to get the job done. I understand that and I know that their main goal is to protect their own country and its people by any means necessary.
[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]You thought the plot was awesome? Can you just explain why you thought so? I mean, I thought it was abmysal trash with no explanation, reason, logic, or character devolopment.Have you people even played the game?
Makarov wasn't some hot shot terrorist. He was pawn of Shepard and his plot to start a world war. So was your character. You both get owned by Shepard. Awesome plot imo.
enterawesome
It reminds me of the reasons behind WWI...
"Ferdinand's death at the hands of the Black Hand, a Serbian nationalist secret society, set in train a mindlessly mechanical series of events that culminated in the world's first global war."
"Few issues in modern history have received as much attention as assigning blame for the outbreak of the World War in 1914. The debate began during the war itself as each side tried to lay blame on the other, became part of the "war guilt" question after 1918, went through a phase of revisionism in the 1920s, and was revived in the 1960s thanks to the work of Fritz Fischer." (taken from firstworldwar.com)
MW2 is like a mix of the events leading to WWI and the film The Rock. Incredibly rewarding and intriguing mixture imo.
[QUOTE="mynameisdumb"] Please he's naive? You are naive if you actually believe something that outlandish has happened. Sure it made you think, but there were so many gaping plot holes that it defeated its entire original purpose. Icarian
You're naive to presume that CIA, Mossad or other secret services wouldn't kill innocents to get the job done. I understand that and I know that their main goal is to protect their own country and its people by any means necessary.
Sure they might kill a few innocents to save a bunch. But they wouldn't mow down an entire AIRPORT of people to get a guy in with a terrorist organization, especially when the guy had access to kill the terrorists right then and there. I don't think the CIA is always morally clean, but I also know they aren't stupid, and they wouldn't have let that opportunity pass.Exactly and don't forget to add the cherry on top. Shepards reason for betraying you was that he wanted to kill millions of innocent people so more people would sign up to the military. MOST RETARD MOTIVATION FOR A VILLAIN EVER. I'm not normally the type of person that likes using caps but damm that needed to be put in caps.The entire plot of Modern Warfare 2 is pointless and devoid of any logic. If you really wanted to analyze the No Russian sequence, ask yourself:
"Why didn't they notice Makarov and the others on the security cameras any airport is bound to have?"
Or "Why didn't they notice the corpses of two of Makarov's conspirators that were killed before the end of the level?"
Or "Why didn't they notice that your character had a fat tattoo of the Kremlin on his torso?"
Modern Warfare 2 has a downright stupid plot that tries to trick you into thinking it's serious, powerful stuff.
WTA2k5
[QUOTE="enterawesome"][QUOTE="gamecubepad"]
Have you people even played the game?
Makarov wasn't some hot shot terrorist. He was pawn of Shepard and his plot to start a world war. So was your character. You both get owned by Shepard. Awesome plot imo.
You thought the plot was awesome? Can you just explain why you thought so? I mean, I thought it was abmysal trash with no explanation, reason, logic, or character devolopment.It reminds me of the reasons behind WWI...
"Ferdinand's death at the hands of the Black Hand, a Serbian nationalist secret society, set in train a mindlessly mechanical series of events that culminated in the world's first global war."
"Few issues in modern history have received as much attention as assigning blame for the outbreak of the World War in 1914. The debate began during the war itself as each side tried to lay blame on the other, became part of the "war guilt" question after 1918, went through a phase of revisionism in the 1920s, and was revived in the 1960s thanks to the work of Fritz Fischer." (taken from firstworldwar.com)
MW2 is like a mix of the events leading to WWI and the film The Rock. Incredibly rewarding and intriguing mixture imo.
That's cool, but the massacre at the Russian airport didn't set in motion a series of events, WWIII just immediately started. There was no questioning it, nothing else that caused it, no consequential events, zip. How did Russia even know the guy was an American? Why would the Russians send millions to invade America and spend even more without any other reasons, even the slightest bit of negotiation, or trying to put the pieces together? Why? Is Russia that stupid?That's cool, but the massacre at the Russian airport didn't set in motion a series of events, enterawesome
Yes, it did. Russia launched a counterstrike on the assumption that the CIA had attacked the airport, and was behind Makarov and his terrorist cell.
Sounds like 9/11+Bin Laden and the response of the US towards Afghanistan and Iraq. The effect of terrorist acts like that aren't limited to a couple destroyed building and a few hundred/thousand deaths. They rock the economy to the core and cause general hysteria and fear. Not to mention hate and anger.
MW2's plot is very feasible. It's creepy.
[QUOTE="enterawesome"]That's cool, but the massacre at the Russian airport didn't set in motion a series of events, gamecubepad
Yes, it did. Russia launched a counterstrike on the assumption that the CIA had attacked the airport, and was behind Makarov and his terrorist cell.
Sounds like 9/11+Bin Laden and the response of the US towards Afghanistan and Iraq. The effect of terrorist acts like that aren't limited to a couple destroyed building and a few hundred/thousand deaths. They rock the economy to the core and cause general hysteria and fear. Not to mention hate and anger.
MW2's plot is very feasible. It's creepy.
That still doesn't explain how the airport somehow didn't have security cameras, didn't have a SINGLE eyewitness who reported more than one attacker, didn't at least enter discussion with the USA first... etc. It can be creepy I suppose, but it's definitely not feasible.[QUOTE="mynameisdumb"] Ninten007 makes a good point. You could have fought off the terrorists. To justify the Russian invasion, they could just frame an American, the same way they did, but without the gratuitious torture porn scene trying to pass of as a level. carljohnson3456They did it purely for controversy and to cause a buzz... obviously they werent too worried about the mission being very fun. Having to walk slow across the airport, mowing down enemies that didnt even shoot back at first... just to get some media attention. And it worked. If you have a problem with this though... you kinda have to have a problem with games like GTA where you kill innocent all the time. Not singling out just you or anything. You do not, "kill innocent all the time" in any GTA game, ever. MW2 is unrealistic in every sense you can measure a game's "realism". The game is meant for 13 year olds who wouldn't know that this isn't how the military operates or that you can't drive a snow mobile over a 100 foot cavern while shooting a machine pistol... and people who think 2 extra perks and new maps is worth 60 dollars. The particular mission in question (not to mention the entire game) was written by people who have no concept of story, plot, or character development... or anything other than, "this game is going to make so much money."
[QUOTE="enterawesome"]That's cool, but the massacre at the Russian airport didn't set in motion a series of events, gamecubepad
Yes, it did. Russia launched a counterstrike on the assumption that the CIA had attacked the airport, and was behind Makarov and his terrorist cell.
Sounds like 9/11+Bin Laden and the response of the US towards Afghanistan and Iraq. The effect of terrorist acts like that aren't limited to a couple destroyed building and a few hundred/thousand deaths. They rock the economy to the core and cause general hysteria and fear. Not to mention hate and anger.
MW2's plot is very feasible. It's creepy.
I meant events before the war started. And to be blunt, the story was not feasible, it was garbage. As some users mentioned, why were there no airport security cameras? What about that Kremlin tattoo Allen had on him? Why did the Russians not even ATTEMPT to put the peices together or negotiate with America? How the hell did they even get in the airport?! I don't think I could just waltz into O' Hare airport with a couple of heavy machine guns...As for the 9-11 thing, at least America knew WHY they attacked us. The terrorists were religous extremists who had been known to despise America for our very opposite values, and the U.S. and the Middle-east had been in conflict for a very long time prior. Also, MW2 never mentioned anything about economics, politics, or how the masses reacted to the incident. It's not feasible, at all.
[QUOTE="gamecubepad"][QUOTE="enterawesome"]That's cool, but the massacre at the Russian airport didn't set in motion a series of events, mynameisdumb
Yes, it did. Russia launched a counterstrike on the assumption that the CIA had attacked the airport, and was behind Makarov and his terrorist cell.
Sounds like 9/11+Bin Laden and the response of the US towards Afghanistan and Iraq. The effect of terrorist acts like that aren't limited to a couple destroyed building and a few hundred/thousand deaths. They rock the economy to the core and cause general hysteria and fear. Not to mention hate and anger.
MW2's plot is very feasible. It's creepy.
That still doesn't explain how the airport somehow didn't have security cameras, didn't have a SINGLE eyewitness who reported more than one attacker, didn't at least enter discussion with the USA first... etc. It can be creepy I suppose, but it's definitely not feasible.I can see where you're coming from, but it's extreme fiction like The Rock or MW2 that grab people's attention. Reality is less than fiction, this is true.
Shepard and his influence were essential to war beginning. He's like Bush and his counterstrike against Iraq and Afghanistan(which I won't judge at this point in history).
If you saw your fellow countrymen and their families cut down with machine guns by a country that you have shaky relations with already it easy to see why a war could start, despite negotiations. Especially considering the events of MW1 and Shepard's passion/patriotism influencing politicians and the general public.
The CIA knows they cant gain the trust of a terrorist. The only people a terrorist trusts are lifelong friends,people they grew up with or someone who worked for them for a very long time. Throwing a new guy into an organization and using him to gain trust usually leads to failure.
Most people in real life, especially those with gun training would have shot the terrorists in the back as they tried to mow down the crowd. You say they did it to protect American lives, but at the same time America is sending those troops to their deaths?
Besides those terrorists would have shot your character on the spot as they were mowing down crowds of people. If you dont shoot anyone they will suspect you because they would want you to join in the killing. Besides you get killed anyways at the end.
At these times, I think people would kill a terrorist on the spot.
A few weeks ago there was some guy who hijacked a plane.According to some,the CIA thought of it and allowed it to happen in order to catch the big cheese behind the plan by risking all those lives on the plane? It just makes no sense.
Even if they never had the airport scene, a war was gonna start anyway.
The whole story was complete bull****. Nothing made sense at all, and IW didn't even attempt to explain jack; I guess that's too much work for them. As long as they knew the game would sell 10 million +.
1. At the end of the "No Russian" level, the entire fricken army just abandons the terrorists and goes after a dead body (you). Seriously, is a SWAT team that stupid? Yeah, that makes real sense...
2. Why would nuking Washington D.C makes the Americans win the war? What. The. ****.
3. Shepard's double-cross. It would help if it was motivated... In real life, people don't betray their allies because they think they're cool.
I like stories that are unpredictable, but not stupid fairytales like MW2.
[QUOTE="gamecubepad"]
[QUOTE="enterawesome"]That's cool, but the massacre at the Russian airport didn't set in motion a series of events, enterawesome
Yes, it did. Russia launched a counterstrike on the assumption that the CIA had attacked the airport, and was behind Makarov and his terrorist cell.
Sounds like 9/11+Bin Laden and the response of the US towards Afghanistan and Iraq. The effect of terrorist acts like that aren't limited to a couple destroyed building and a few hundred/thousand deaths. They rock the economy to the core and cause general hysteria and fear. Not to mention hate and anger.
MW2's plot is very feasible. It's creepy.
I meant events before the war started. And to be blunt, the story was not feasible, it was garbage. As some users mentioned, why were there no airport security cameras? What about that Kremlin tattoo Allen had on him? Why did the Russians not even ATTEMPT to put the peices together or negotiate with America? How the hell did they even get in the airport?! I don't think I could just waltz into O' Hare airport with a couple of heavy machine guns...As for the 9-11 thing, at least America knew WHY they attacked us. The terrorists were religous extremists who had been known to despise America for our very opposite values, and the U.S. and the Middle-east had been in conflict for a very long time prior. Also, MW2 never mentioned anything about economics, politics, or how the masses reacted to the incident. It's not feasible, at all.
I'm pretty sure killing thousands of innocent civilians just for the oil had something to do with it...
[QUOTE="KukicAdo"]the CIA has done much worse than had one of their operatives kill innocents at an airport. The whole point of the CIA is to kill people that the US doesn't like, overthrow democratically elected leaders that don't like the US, if 100s or thousands civilians die, oh well. mynameisdumbKukicAdo that is simply asinine. There is no proof of the CIA ever slaughtering innocent civilians. You are worse than the people who believe President Bush caused 9/11 on purpose.
But there's plenty of proof, the CIA and KGB did it dozens times during the Cold war and the proof came from the Governments' own files.
KukicAdo that is simply asinine. There is no proof of the CIA ever slaughtering innocent civilians. You are worse than the people who believe President Bush caused 9/11 on purpose.[QUOTE="mynameisdumb"][QUOTE="KukicAdo"]the CIA has done much worse than had one of their operatives kill innocents at an airport. The whole point of the CIA is to kill people that the US doesn't like, overthrow democratically elected leaders that don't like the US, if 100s or thousands civilians die, oh well. Flanker15
But there's plenty of proof, the CIA and KGB did it dozens times during the Cold war and the proof came from the Governments' own files.
But really? Really? Reaaally? A US agent would mow down hundreds of innocent civilians just to get in with the terrorists who he had access to kill RIGHT THEN AND THERE. Really? Frankly I don't even want to discuss this anymore, it's such an absurd concept that if you can't see WHY it's ridiculous, you probably never will.KukicAdo that is simply asinine. There is no proof of the CIA ever slaughtering innocent civilians. You are worse than the people who believe President Bush caused 9/11 on purpose.[QUOTE="mynameisdumb"][QUOTE="KukicAdo"]the CIA has done much worse than had one of their operatives kill innocents at an airport. The whole point of the CIA is to kill people that the US doesn't like, overthrow democratically elected leaders that don't like the US, if 100s or thousands civilians die, oh well. Flanker15
But there's plenty of proof, the CIA and KGB did it dozens times during the Cold war and the proof came from the Governments' own files.
Yea but in these modern times, they are stricter about using humans as guinea pigs now.
A poster above me made a good point about the Russian SWAT team going to your dead body and screaming "American Dead" instead of going after the real threat.
I am pretty sure Russia has its own military that do not take lightly to terrorist attacks and will defend Russia and make sure the world does not view them as enemies. The Russian military would have been called to duty to find the terrorists who "betrayed" Mother Russia.
When was it ever official United States Military assignment to massacre a crowd of innocents?Many people see it as "fine" aslong as its not Americans dying. Other civillians aren't that important in their eyes.
It's disgusting but thats the truth.
WinnerByTKO
Just because it happens in the game doesn't mean it happens in real life. Can you find a source with some evidence?
And no, another nationality of people dying isn't less worse than a group of United States people dying. I'm from the United States and I don't view civilians from other nations as less important, so what you said doesn't always ring true.
[QUOTE="Flanker15"][QUOTE="mynameisdumb"] KukicAdo that is simply asinine. There is no proof of the CIA ever slaughtering innocent civilians. You are worse than the people who believe President Bush caused 9/11 on purpose. mynameisdumb
But there's plenty of proof, the CIA and KGB did it dozens times during the Cold war and the proof came from the Governments' own files.
But really? Really? Reaaally? A US agent would mow down hundreds of innocent civilians just to get in with the terrorists who he had access to kill RIGHT THEN AND THERE. Really? Frankly I don't even want to discuss this anymore, it's such an absurd concept that if you can't see WHY it's ridiculous, you probably never will.You need to stop thinking that the USA is the Utopia of the Universe and that it's perfect. Every government does things they don't want you to know; the US is no different.
You're the only one thinking that it's ridiculous here, if you haven't noticed... God, you sound like people from 1984 (talking about the book)...
But really? Really? Reaaally? A US agent would mow down hundreds of innocent civilians just to get in with the terrorists who he had access to kill RIGHT THEN AND THERE. Really? Frankly I don't even want to discuss this anymore, it's such an absurd concept that if you can't see WHY it's ridiculous, you probably never will.[QUOTE="mynameisdumb"][QUOTE="Flanker15"]
But there's plenty of proof, the CIA and KGB did it dozens times during the Cold war and the proof came from the Governments' own files.
Hanass
You need to stop thinking that the USA is the Utopia of the Universe and that it's perfect. Every government does things they don't want you to know; the US is no different.
You're the only one thinking that it's ridiculous here, if you haven't noticed... God, you sound like people from 1984 (talking about the book)...
What about the agent's morale? I mean you have the chance to kill the terrorists and save a bunch of lives. Do you think it is easy to watch a massacare like that knowing you can possibly do something to stop it.
Not to mention you proceed to shoot the Russian police. And at the end you get killed and the Russian Police comes over and says, "American is Dead". This shows that the Russian police knew about the attack on the airport before it started. They would have taken precautions to stop it from happening.
[QUOTE="mynameisdumb"][QUOTE="Flanker15"]
But there's plenty of proof, the CIA and KGB did it dozens times during the Cold war and the proof came from the Governments' own files.
But really? Really? Reaaally? A US agent would mow down hundreds of innocent civilians just to get in with the terrorists who he had access to kill RIGHT THEN AND THERE. Really? Frankly I don't even want to discuss this anymore, it's such an absurd concept that if you can't see WHY it's ridiculous, you probably never will.You need to stop thinking that the USA is the Utopia of the Universe and that it's perfect. Every government does things they don't want you to know; the US is no different.
You're the only one thinking that it's ridiculous here, if you haven't noticed... God, you sound like people from 1984 (talking about the book)...
Wow you are unbelievable. Obviously the USA isn't the utopia of the universe. The Bay of Pigs can attest to that, as can other assasinations, as can a billion other things. But the argument that the USA isn't perfect has NOTHING to do with the argument at hand. Just because the USA isn't perfect doesn't mean they are so vile as to massacre hundreds of innocents for no gain. They would have to be stupid AND entirely heartless, and they aren't either. The point isn't only that the action was too cruel either, it's that it was ENTIRELY devoid of logic. He could have shot the terrorists there! Period! End of story! Say what you will about the MW2 storyline, but in REAL life, a soldier or CIA operative would ALWAYS take out the terrorists to avoid the massacre of hundreds of innocent people. It's ridiculous to say he wanted to get in with terrorists. That idea is counter-intuitive, as he allowed (and participated in) a terrorist attack. Oh, but he just wanted to get in with the terrorists right? Right? Yeah, to prevent terrorist attacks, the very thing he contributed to. It's just outlanding and nonsensical, and that's the bottom line.But really? Really? Reaaally? A US agent would mow down hundreds of innocent civilians just to get in with the terrorists who he had access to kill RIGHT THEN AND THERE. Really? Frankly I don't even want to discuss this anymore, it's such an absurd concept that if you can't see WHY it's ridiculous, you probably never will.[QUOTE="mynameisdumb"][QUOTE="Flanker15"]
But there's plenty of proof, the CIA and KGB did it dozens times during the Cold war and the proof came from the Governments' own files.
Hanass
You need to stop thinking that the USA is the Utopia of the Universe and that it's perfect. Every government does things they don't want you to know; the US is no different.
You're the only one thinking that it's ridiculous here, if you haven't noticed... God, you sound like people from 1984 (talking about the book)...
He's actually right. No sane person would sit there and watch, let alone participate in the massacre of civilians if they could stop it. Frankly if you just shot Markov right in the head the game would be over. No war would have happened and everything would have been avoided.On top of that ridiculous occurrence, Russia invaded the U.S. based on one American found after a massacre. With the U.S. telling them what happened there is no way Russia would have invaded the U.S. Especially since Russia would know that invading the U.S. would be a death trap. The whole story behind MW2 is ridiculous and poorly thought out. They made the game for multiplayer and tacked on a terrible single player so they could call it a full game. Shame on IW and Activision.But really? Really? Reaaally? A US agent would mow down hundreds of innocent civilians just to get in with the terrorists who he had access to kill RIGHT THEN AND THERE. Really? Frankly I don't even want to discuss this anymore, it's such an absurd concept that if you can't see WHY it's ridiculous, you probably never will.mynameisdumb
You need to stop thinking that the USA is the Utopia of the Universe and that it's perfect. Every government does things they don't want you to know; the US is no different.
You're the only one thinking that it's ridiculous here, if you haven't noticed... God, you sound like people from 1984 (talking about the book)...
Wow you are unbelievable. Obviously the USA isn't the utopia of the universe. The Bay of Pigs can attest to that, as can other assasinations, as can a billion other things. But the argument that the USA isn't perfect has NOTHING to do with the argument at hand. Just because the USA isn't perfect doesn't mean they are so vile as to massacre hundreds of innocents for no gain. They would have to be stupid AND entirely heartless, and they aren't either. The point isn't only that the action was too cruel either, it's that it was ENTIRELY devoid of logic. He could have shot the terrorists there! Period! End of story! Say what you will about the MW2 storyline, but in REAL life, a soldier or CIA operative would ALWAYS take out the terrorists to avoid the massacre of hundreds of innocent people. It's ridiculous to say he wanted to get in with terrorists. That idea is counter-intuitive, as he allowed (and participated in) a terrorist attack. Oh, but he just wanted to get in with the terrorists right? Right? Yeah, to prevent terrorist attacks, the very thing he contributed to. It's just outlanding and nonsensical, and that's the bottom line. Well said.[QUOTE="mynameisdumb"][QUOTE="Hanass"]Wow you are unbelievable. Obviously the USA isn't the utopia of the universe. The Bay of Pigs can attest to that, as can other assasinations, as can a billion other things. But the argument that the USA isn't perfect has NOTHING to do with the argument at hand. Just because the USA isn't perfect doesn't mean they are so vile as to massacre hundreds of innocents for no gain. They would have to be stupid AND entirely heartless, and they aren't either. The point isn't only that the action was too cruel either, it's that it was ENTIRELY devoid of logic. He could have shot the terrorists there! Period! End of story! Say what you will about the MW2 storyline, but in REAL life, a soldier or CIA operative would ALWAYS take out the terrorists to avoid the massacre of hundreds of innocent people. It's ridiculous to say he wanted to get in with terrorists. That idea is counter-intuitive, as he allowed (and participated in) a terrorist attack. Oh, but he just wanted to get in with the terrorists right? Right? Yeah, to prevent terrorist attacks, the very thing he contributed to. It's just outlanding and nonsensical, and that's the bottom line. Well said. true that.You need to stop thinking that the USA is the Utopia of the Universe and that it's perfect. Every government does things they don't want you to know; the US is no different.
You're the only one thinking that it's ridiculous here, if you haven't noticed... God, you sound like people from 1984 (talking about the book)...
uyiop0t
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