No! Sony HeavyRain creator feels the industry will be better with no used games!

Sony is in on it too :cry:

The guy's the founder of Quantic Dreams, maker of Sony exclusive Heavy rain:

"Guillaume de Fondaumiere: I would say that the impact that the recession had, that the most important impact especially on AAA games on console, was the rise of second hand gaming. And I think this is one of the number one problems right now in the industry. I can take just one example of Heavy Rain. We basically sold to date approximately two million units, we know from the trophy system that probably more than three million people bought this game and played it. On my small level it's a million people playing my game without giving me one cent. And my calculation is, as Quantic Dream, I lost between 5 and 10 million worth of royalties because of second hand gaming."



http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...de-fondaumiere

You're trying to hard

Sony is in on it too :cry:

 

The guy's the founder of Quantic Dreams, maker of Sony exclusive Heavy rain:

"Guillaume de Fondaumiere: I would say that the impact that the recession had, that the most important impact especially on AAA games on console, was the rise of second hand gaming. And I think this is one of the number one problems right now in the industry. I can take just one example of Heavy Rain. We basically sold to date approximately two million units, we know from the trophy system that probably more than three million people bought this game and played it. On my small level it's a million people playing my game without giving me one cent. And my calculation is, as Quantic Dream, I lost between 5 and 10 million worth of royalties because of second hand gaming."



http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...de-fondaumiere

robotapple

------ thats right wiiu would start not only pulling a wii , but it probably would out sell ps2 this time lol

Sony is in on it too :cry:

The guy's the founder of Quantic Dreams, maker of Sony exclusive Heavy rain:

"Guillaume de Fondaumiere: I would say that the impact that the recession had, that the most important impact especially on AAA games on console, was the rise of second hand gaming. And I think this is one of the number one problems right now in the industry. I can take just one example of Heavy Rain. We basically sold to date approximately two million units, we know from the trophy system that probably more than three million people bought this game and played it. On my small level it's a million people playing my game without giving me one cent. And my calculation is, as Quantic Dream, I lost between 5 and 10 million worth of royalties because of second hand gaming."



http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...de-fondaumiere

robotapple

They didn't "Lose" anything... they sold a copy to a person who has a right to sell it to someone else. The original person no longer owns the game or can play it.

Lots of developers make lots of money with out online passes or restrictions on used games... figure it out... but stop trying to punish consumers.

Quantic Dream =/= Sony.nintendoboy16

Quantic Dream =/= Sony.nintendoboy16

Well good thing their games are published by Sony who won't let them pull that sort of crap.

Sony have confirmed that while third party games are left to the publisher, they won't be doing this sorry of stuff.

I do recall QuanticDream saying a while back that way more people had trophies for heavy rain then the number of people that bought the game. I'm telling you the reason developers are in such an uproar about used games is because of trophies and achievements. They track and see how many people bought the game vrs how many people have trophies for it. 

Well good thing their games are published by Sony who won't let them pull that sort of crap.

Sony have confirmed that while third party games are left to the publisher, they won't be doing this sorry of stuff.

hexashadow13

I like how some people are digging up old articles to try and rub Sony in Microsofts horseshite, keep up the good work

Playstation 4 can still be enjoyed old school without an Internet connection at all

http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2013/03/20/michael-denny/

#Dealwithit

Work this out:

Steam Sale for a game £2.50

Same game on console £20.00

10 people buy it on steam

1 person buys it on console and gets traded 9 times.

Steam sale makes £25

Console sale makes £20

The industry could do away with Gamestop since they mainly make money from used games. I'd be satisfied to just buy my games at Walmart or some other big chain store. 

Quantic Dream =/= Sony.nintendoboy16

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http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117253-Pachter-Sonys-Jack-Tretton-Totally-Opposed-to-Blocking-Used-Gameshexashadow13

[QUOTE="nintendoboy16"]Quantic Dream =/= Sony.robotapple

One used copy doesn't equal one lost sale.

Plus you're trying way too hard lem peasant, now go pray to Lord Kaz for redemption.

Work this out:

Steam Sale for a game £2.50

Same game on console £20.00

10 people buy it on steam

1 person buys it on console and gets traded 9 times.

Steam sale makes £25

Console sale makes £20

PCgameruk

Rarely do I spend $60 on a game. It's really just once in a while. But I hardly ever do the used thing either. What I do most of the time is wait a while until a game becomes $20-$30. I don't know how much money they might lose selling them for that latter price but I do think a lot more people would buy them for that.

So irrevelant they took off the page once they knew a raging lemming was trying to use them as a source to excuse x1 :lol:

[QUOTE="hexashadow13"]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117253-Pachter-Sonys-Jack-Tretton-Totally-Opposed-to-Blocking-Used-GamesDouevenlift_bro

That guy doesn't have the final say on things. Sony has been a little cagey on this subject as well, just saying something about it being up to publishers. I don't know exactly what will happen but I don't think things are going to be exactly as they were this gen.

So that means about 1 million people pirated their copy of Heavy Rain?

So that means about 1 million people pirated their copy of Heavy Rain?

SchnabbleTab

Probably a combination of pirated, rented, borrowed, and bought used. But it's likely more than that cuz not everyone that plays bothers ever hooking up their console to the internet.

Sony is in on it too :cry:

The guy's the founder of Quantic Dreams, maker of Sony exclusive Heavy rain:

"Guillaume de Fondaumiere: I would say that the impact that the recession had, that the most important impact especially on AAA games on console, was the rise of second hand gaming. And I think this is one of the number one problems right now in the industry. I can take just one example of Heavy Rain. We basically sold to date approximately two million units, we know from the trophy system that probably more than three million people bought this game and played it. On my small level it's a million people playing my game without giving me one cent. And my calculation is, as Quantic Dream, I lost between 5 and 10 million worth of royalties because of second hand gaming."



http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...de-fondaumiere

robotapple

Sony stated they will not charge a fee for buying or playing used games on PS4. MS has stated they will be charging a fee on used games on X1 & their game's publishers will also be charging a fee on used games. Sony stated they can't force publishers to not charge a fee on used games. Sony doesn't control everything and charge for everything like MS. Stop trying to make it look like they do.

So that means about 1 million people pirated their copy of Heavy Rain?

SchnabbleTab

No some people rented it from gamefly and some bought it used. I think multiplats should not charge a fee on used games as they sell it on multiple systems and make more. Exclusive console titles like Killzone need to make more from the sales and should charge a few dollars if you buy it used or rent it when you put it in the console. I'd be OK with that. But forcing people to pay to simply connect and play online and MS charging a fee on all used game sales and all game publishers also charging a fee on games is way over board.

They should be flattered that 1 million extra people played their awful game.FLegendOfZeldaU

I don't have PS3 and therefor have never played Heavy Rain but it's got a 87% at gamerankings. That's awful? Pllleeaasse.

[QUOTE="FLegendOfZeldaU"]They should be flattered that 1 million extra people played their awful game.Wickerman777

I don't have PS3 and therefor have never played Heavy Rain but it's got a 87% at gamerankings. That's awful? Pllleeaasse.

Heavy Rain was a good game. That person is obviously a fan of another company and never played it.

Sony is in on it too :cry:

The guy's the founder of Quantic Dreams, maker of Sony exclusive Heavy rain:

"Guillaume de Fondaumiere: I would say that the impact that the recession had, that the most important impact especially on AAA games on console, was the rise of second hand gaming. And I think this is one of the number one problems right now in the industry. I can take just one example of Heavy Rain. We basically sold to date approximately two million units, we know from the trophy system that probably more than three million people bought this game and played it. On my small level it's a million people playing my game without giving me one cent. And my calculation is, as Quantic Dream, I lost between 5 and 10 million worth of royalties because of second hand gaming."



http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...de-fondaumiere

robotapple

This article proves Sony has stated they will not be charging a used game fee.

http://everydaydigitals.com/heres-what-i-think/23/microsofts-xbox-one-reveal-played-right-into-sonys-ps4-plans

Sony no doubt had to be getting a kick out of seeing Microsoft getting hammered amongst the gaming community and press but they remained silent. This silence has led some to believe that Sony may too be mulling around the idea of restricting used games on the Playstation 4 as well. When asked after their press conference in February, Sony's Worldwide Studio head denied such restrictions would be put on PS4 games. I guess we'll have to wait until E3 to know for sure on both systems. Beyond that, Sony has it's own issues to worry about. In their February reveal they promised a lot but showed very little when it came to services and features for the PS4. The online game streaming company they bought over a year ago, Gaikai seems to be the backbone to the streaming service and features promised but no working demo was showed nor was a lot of the user-interface that would be used for the PS4. While Sony warned that all of the streaming services won't be completed by launch and it will be a continual process, they will have to make good on some of those promises or they could receive a blowback of their own come E3.

Wow hard core lemmings are having a meltdown in lemming world when Microsoft announce that lems will have to pay a fee for used games they play and not to mention that you always have be to online with xbox tv one.

Jack Trettion already mention he against used games being block on ps4 and that us cows can play used game and not always be online with our PS4 when we're playing games

Wow hard core lemmings are having a meltdown in lemming world when Microsoft announce that lems will have to pay a fee for used games they play and not to mention that you always have be to online with xbox tv one.

Jack Trettion already mention he against used games being block on ps4 and that us cows can play used game and not always be online with our PS4 when we're playing games

kyacat

Why is it all the xfans believe that what MS does Sony must also do?! It just baffles my mind! Sony made PS4 with gamers in mind and concentrating on games and making it a good console for gamers. It's obvious! MS has made the X One as a cash box to make money in every way possible and doesn't have as many games as Sony. MS is going for the casuals and Sony is about the hard core gamers.

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On my small level it's a million people playing my game without giving me one cent. And my calculation is, as Quantic Dream, I lost between 5 and 10 million worth of royalties because of second hand gaming."

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/article...de-fondaumiere

robotapple

exactly why the big publishers don't like used games

One used copy doesn't equal one lost sale.

Plus you're trying way too hard lem peasant, now go pray to Lord Kaz for redemption.

SchnabbleTab

Totally! A lot of people who buy it used are getting it because it's affordable for them. Most people can't afford nearly as many games if they have to pay full price or close to it. The fact is the more games cost the less games people buy. MS charging a used game fee and their publishers charging a used game fee will raise the cost of used games. This wont make a lot more money for them becuase people will buy less games. Infact if Sony & Nintendo don't charge fees on used games, lots of people will buy their consoles instead and buy more games on those consoles. Which will make games on those consoles sale way more. MS and the game publishers will push away gamers on their console. It will backfire on MS if Sony & Nintendo don't have used game fees.

[QUOTE="hexashadow13"]http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/117253-Pachter-Sonys-Jack-Tretton-Totally-Opposed-to-Blocking-Used-GamesDouevenlift_bro

That article says they're opposed to blocking used games. It didn't say that there would be no Publisher used game fees. Sony has stated they wont charge.

Quantic Dream =/= Sony.nintendoboy16

This, also: Heavy Rain creator...you mean David Cage? That washed up movie director? Not shocked in the slightest.

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

[QUOTE="FLegendOfZeldaU"]They should be flattered that 1 million extra people played their awful game.clr84651

I don't have PS3 and therefor have never played Heavy Rain but it's got a 87% at gamerankings. That's awful? Pllleeaasse.

Heavy Rain was a good game. That person is obviously a fan of another company and never played it.

100th used game thread and 100th time I'm laughing at all you plebs crying over having to pay full price like the rest of the grown ups.Ninja-Hippo

People will play less games. It wont equal more games sold as people play only as many as they can afford.

[QUOTE="clr84651"]

[QUOTE="Wickerman777"]

I don't have PS3 and therefor have never played Heavy Rain but it's got a 87% at gamerankings. That's awful? Pllleeaasse.

FLegendOfZeldaU

Heavy Rain was a good game. That person is obviously a fan of another company and never played it.

You're dumb! I don't debate with dumb people.

100th used game thread and 100th time I'm laughing at all you plebs crying over having to pay full price like the rest of the grown ups.Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]100th used game thread and 100th time I'm laughing at all you plebs crying over having to pay full price like the rest of the grown ups.darkspineslayer