[QUOTE="Mudig"]Now Lair will be going to the 360. Well, it was what Factor 5 complained about which led to their decision to make it for the 360.PS3_3DO
Been doing 1080p for awhile now. Only the brainwashed believe that HDMI is required for 1080p. Sony has fooled you. They are trying to screw you into HDMI and they are succeeding. First step: lie out their butts to make it look like their product is needed. Second step: Equip all hardware sold with said product. Third step: Jack up prices on everything they can once the "product" is standard and unavoidable. Fourth step: Count money.
[QUOTE="Mudig"]Now Lair will be going to the 360. Well, it was what Factor 5 complained about which led to their decision to make it for the 360.Japanese_Monk
I know. :lol: Factor 5 put up or shut up.
Ohhh, this puts Fact 5 in a difficult position.
Not really, unless this elite version sells at least a million by the time liar comes out and the elite controller get's motion sensing (also a major reason they made it on the ps3) there is no point in putting it on the xbox360. Remeber, they also said that they wouldn't be able to on the 360, so just because this new more expensive 360 comes with HMDI, doesn't mean they're in a difficuilt position...
Been doing 1080p for awhile now. Only the brainwashed believe that HDMI is required for 1080p. Sony has fooled you. They are trying to screw you into HDMI and they are succeeding. First step: lie out their butts to make it look like their product is needed. Second step: Equip all hardware sold with said product. Third step: Jack up prices on everything they can once the "product" is standard and unavoidable. Fourth step: Count money.
So why again is MS coming out with an xbox360 with HDMI?
1080 P over component cable is like ice cream in a frying pan.
High res Data over a Low bandwith medium
Uh.. component cable has no bandwidth limits. The bandwidth issues are what hold back HDMI from performing as good as it should with a 1080p signal. All that data is compressed / converted you know. That jacks up the image just as much as an analog signal gets jacked up when converting form digital to analog and back. Image quality through HDMI and Component are virtually the same. One looks better on one TV, while the other looks better on another TV. HDMI = trojan horse to get HDCP into your hardware.
Been doing 1080p for awhile now. Only the brainwashed believe that HDMI is required for 1080p. Sony has fooled you. They are trying to screw you into HDMI and they are succeeding. First step: lie out their butts to make it look like their product is needed. Second step: Equip all hardware sold with said product. Third step: Jack up prices on everything they can once the "product" is standard and unavoidable. Fourth step: Count money.
So why again is MS coming out with an xbox360 with HDMI?
Because the IPTV content providers are requiring it.
Been doing 1080p for awhile now. Only the brainwashed believe that HDMI is required for 1080p. Sony has fooled you. They are trying to screw you into HDMI and they are succeeding. First step: lie out their butts to make it look like their product is needed. Second step: Equip all hardware sold with said product. Third step: Jack up prices on everything they can once the "product" is standard and unavoidable. Fourth step: Count money.
So why again is MS coming out with an xbox360 with HDMI?
Because the IPTV content providers are requiring it.
So it's "needed" and MS is jaking up the price to $480?
You want to compare the new Xbox 360 to the Slim Playstation 2? Well here's the deal. The PSTwo did add networking capabilities out of the box. The new Xbox 360 is offering HDMI. The only difference is if you owned the original PS2, you could still add networking.
Too bad you can't add HDMI to your old Xbox 360. There's no comparison between the two.
Been doing 1080p for awhile now. Only the brainwashed believe that HDMI is required for 1080p. Sony has fooled you. They are trying to screw you into HDMI and they are succeeding. First step: lie out their butts to make it look like their product is needed. Second step: Equip all hardware sold with said product. Third step: Jack up prices on everything they can once the "product" is standard and unavoidable. Fourth step: Count money.
So why again is MS coming out with an xbox360 with HDMI?
Because the IPTV content providers are requiring it.
So it's "needed" and MS is jaking up the price to $480?
It's only "needed" for IPTV. If you don't want IPTV then the zephyr is pointless.
You want to compare the new Xbox 360 to the Slim Playstation 2? Well here's the deal. The PSTwo did add networking capabilities out of the box. The new Xbox 360 is offering HDMI. The only difference is if you owned the original PS2, you could still add networking.
Too bad you can't add HDMI to your old Xbox 360. There's no comparison between the two.
TekkenMaster606
Hrm.. that's funny because the Slimline couldn't handle the Harddrive even if I wanted it to, and the original couldn't have gone without the crazy noisy fans had it wanted to.
You want to compare the new Xbox 360 to the Slim Playstation 2? Well here's the deal. The PSTwo did add networking capabilities out of the box. The new Xbox 360 is offering HDMI. The only difference is if you owned the original PS2, you could still add networking.
Too bad you can't add HDMI to your old Xbox 360. There's no comparison between the two.
Bgrngod
Hrm.. that's funny because the Slimline couldn't handle the Harddrive even if I wanted it to, and the original couldn't have gone without the crazy noisy fans had it wanted to. PS2 hard drive. What used that? FFXI and Socom 3? Yeah, uh huh. Face it. The addition of HDMI for copy protected content is a slap in the face to early adopters.
You want to compare the new Xbox 360 to the Slim Playstation 2? Well here's the deal. The PSTwo did add networking capabilities out of the box. The new Xbox 360 is offering HDMI. The only difference is if you owned the original PS2, you could still add networking.
Too bad you can't add HDMI to your old Xbox 360. There's no comparison between the two.
TekkenMaster606
Hrm.. that's funny because the Slimline couldn't handle the Harddrive even if I wanted it to, and the original couldn't have gone without the crazy noisy fans had it wanted to. PS2 hard drive. What used that? FFXI and Socom 3? Yeah, uh huh. Face it. The addition of HDMI for copy protected content is a slap in the face to early adopters. How so exactly? It has absolutely zero affect on games. The only reason for it is IPTV. If you don't want IPTV then it's totally pointless.
You want to compare the new Xbox 360 to the Slim Playstation 2? Well here's the deal. The PSTwo did add networking capabilities out of the box. The new Xbox 360 is offering HDMI. The only difference is if you owned the original PS2, you could still add networking.
Too bad you can't add HDMI to your old Xbox 360. There's no comparison between the two.
TekkenMaster606
Hrm.. that's funny because the Slimline couldn't handle the Harddrive even if I wanted it to, and the original couldn't have gone without the crazy noisy fans had it wanted to. PS2 hard drive. What used that? FFXI and Socom 3? Yeah, uh huh. Face it. The addition of HDMI for copy protected content is a slap in the face to early adopters. I think the addition of a 120GB HD and improving the reliability of the console is a more painful slap in the face to early adopters.
You want to compare the new Xbox 360 to the Slim Playstation 2? Well here's the deal. The PSTwo did add networking capabilities out of the box. The new Xbox 360 is offering HDMI. The only difference is if you owned the original PS2, you could still add networking.
Too bad you can't add HDMI to your old Xbox 360. There's no comparison between the two.
asmallchild
Hrm.. that's funny because the Slimline couldn't handle the Harddrive even if I wanted it to, and the original couldn't have gone without the crazy noisy fans had it wanted to. PS2 hard drive. What used that? FFXI and Socom 3? Yeah, uh huh. Face it. The addition of HDMI for copy protected content is a slap in the face to early adopters. I think the addition of a 120GB HD and improving the reliability of the console is a more painful slap in the face to early adopters. Not so much the HD, since 20gig is really hard to fill up if you only ever have 1-2 movies downloaded at a time. The reliability ALWAYS gets improved with revisions. It happened to the original Xbox, and PS2. And it WILL happen to the PS3 as well. The only differences in those cases is that they silently released revisions and not all this talk happened before hand. Zephyr is pointless if you don't intend to use IPTV.
THats funny true-HD is one of those Sony hype terms 360 can already output 1080p on component and VGA cables there is only 1080p not true-HD 1080p The problem isn't outputting 1080p over component or VGA, the problem is finding a set that will accept 1080p over component and vga. Some do, many don't.
[QUOTE="Mudig"]Now Lair will be going to the 360. Well, it was what Factor 5 complained about which led to their decision to make it for the 360.Japanese_Monk
I know. :lol: Factor 5 put up or shut up.
Ohhh, this puts Fact 5 in a difficult position.
no it doesnt, the game is still published by SCE noobs.
You want to compare the new Xbox 360 to the Slim Playstation 2? Well here's the deal. The PSTwo did add networking capabilities out of the box. The new Xbox 360 is offering HDMI. The only difference is if you owned the original PS2, you could still add networking.
Too bad you can't add HDMI to your old Xbox 360. There's no comparison between the two.
asmallchild
Hrm.. that's funny because the Slimline couldn't handle the Harddrive even if I wanted it to, and the original couldn't have gone without the crazy noisy fans had it wanted to. PS2 hard drive. What used that? FFXI and Socom 3? Yeah, uh huh. Face it. The addition of HDMI for copy protected content is a slap in the face to early adopters. I think the addition of a 120GB HD and improving the reliability of the console is a more painful slap in the face to early adopters.
THats funny true-HD is one of those Sony hype terms 360 can already output 1080p on component and VGA cables there is only 1080p not true-HD 1080p The problem isn't outputting 1080p over component or VGA, the problem is finding a set that will accept 1080p over component and vga. Some do, many don't. Buy a Samsung. No problems with that at all. The only TV's that don't accept 1080p over component and VGA are Sony's, which is by design, not accident.
Been doing 1080p for awhile now. Only the brainwashed believe that HDMI is required for 1080p. Sony has fooled you. They are trying to screw you into HDMI and they are succeeding. First step: lie out their butts to make it look like their product is needed. Second step: Equip all hardware sold with said product. Third step: Jack up prices on everything they can once the "product" is standard and unavoidable. Fourth step: Count money.
My brand new 1080p LCD TV puts out one hell of a 1080p Xbox360 picture with poor old Component. HDMI is for brainwashed Sony drones.
If I really cared to I'd buy the VGA connection cable, but why would I do that when the component cables are fantastic?
You want to compare the new Xbox 360 to the Slim Playstation 2? Well here's the deal. The PSTwo did add networking capabilities out of the box. The new Xbox 360 is offering HDMI. The only difference is if you owned the original PS2, you could still add networking.
Too bad you can't add HDMI to your old Xbox 360. There's no comparison between the two.
Blackbond
Hrm.. that's funny because the Slimline couldn't handle the Harddrive even if I wanted it to, and the original couldn't have gone without the crazy noisy fans had it wanted to. PS2 hard drive. What used that? FFXI and Socom 3? Yeah, uh huh. Face it. The addition of HDMI for copy protected content is a slap in the face to early adopters. I think the addition of a 120GB HD and improving the reliability of the console is a more painful slap in the face to early adopters.
That's the wy I see it.
It still isn't simply because this new console won't do anything for gaming. It's strictly an IPTV device being tacked on to a 360. Microsoft wants to get into the IPTV market. Why would they make a whole new device when they can integrate into the 360? Zephyr = Zero gaming improvement
You want to compare the new Xbox 360 to the Slim Playstation 2? Well here's the deal. The PSTwo did add networking capabilities out of the box. The new Xbox 360 is offering HDMI. The only difference is if you owned the original PS2, you could still add networking.
Too bad you can't add HDMI to your old Xbox 360. There's no comparison between the two.
Bgrngod
Hrm.. that's funny because the Slimline couldn't handle the Harddrive even if I wanted it to, and the original couldn't have gone without the crazy noisy fans had it wanted to. PS2 hard drive. What used that? FFXI and Socom 3? Yeah, uh huh. Face it. The addition of HDMI for copy protected content is a slap in the face to early adopters. I think the addition of a 120GB HD and improving the reliability of the console is a more painful slap in the face to early adopters.
That's the wy I see it.
It still isn't simply because this new console won't do anything for gaming. It's strictly an IPTV device being tacked on to a 360. Microsoft wants to get into the IPTV market. Why would they make a whole new device when they can integrate into the 360? Zephyr = Zero gaming improvement For those who have been experiencing disc reading errors (Thank god not me...knock on wood furiously), the Elite model represents a chance for a huge improvement in the gaming experience.
THats funny true-HD is one of those Sony hype terms 360 can already output 1080p on component and VGA cables there is only 1080p not true-HD 1080p The problem isn't outputting 1080p over component or VGA, the problem is finding a set that will accept 1080p over component and vga. Some do, many don't. Buy a Samsung. No problems with that at all. The only TV's that don't accept 1080p over component and VGA are Sony's, which is by design, not accident. Mitsubishis, some HP's, Toshibas, and several others don't as well.
You want to compare the new Xbox 360 to the Slim Playstation 2? Well here's the deal. The PSTwo did add networking capabilities out of the box. The new Xbox 360 is offering HDMI. The only difference is if you owned the original PS2, you could still add networking.
Too bad you can't add HDMI to your old Xbox 360. There's no comparison between the two.
asmallchild
Hrm.. that's funny because the Slimline couldn't handle the Harddrive even if I wanted it to, and the original couldn't have gone without the crazy noisy fans had it wanted to. PS2 hard drive. What used that? FFXI and Socom 3? Yeah, uh huh. Face it. The addition of HDMI for copy protected content is a slap in the face to early adopters. I think the addition of a 120GB HD and improving the reliability of the console is a more painful slap in the face to early adopters.
That's the wy I see it.
It still isn't simply because this new console won't do anything for gaming. It's strictly an IPTV device being tacked on to a 360. Microsoft wants to get into the IPTV market. Why would they make a whole new device when they can integrate into the 360? Zephyr = Zero gaming improvement For those who have been experiencing disc reading errors (Thank god not me...knock on wood furiously), the Elite model represents a chance for a huge improvement in the gaming experience. I haven't had a single disc read error, or ever heard of reports that the 360 has had them. Wasn't that the PS2? What makes you think the internal hardware improvements (fixes for cooling and reliability) won't be carried over to the premium package? These types of hardware improvements are very typical for consoles, it happens to all of them. Lowering manufacturing costs is how companies end up turning a profit on hardware. This is why the PS2 is only $130 now. I wouldn't be surprised if the Zephyr and the premium both get HDMI added, simply because it's not cost effective to have 2 different core components being manufactured differently.
I haven't had a single disc read error, or ever heard of reports that the 360 has had them.Bgrngod
The site is down right now (I used to go there often to figure out why my 1st 2 consoles died...no disc reading issues with them either), but it does affect more than a few people. Again, the standard disclaimer: Could it be Sony/Nintendo fanboys making up outrageous complains? It's possible. But that would take a lot of effort to register on the Xbox site for that kind of nonsense. http://forums.xbox.com/281/ShowForum.aspx
[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]I haven't had a single disc read error, or ever heard of reports that the 360 has had them.asmallchild
The site is down right now (I used to go there often to figure out why my 1st 2 consoles died...no disc reading issues with them either), but it does affect more than a few people. Again, the standard disclaimer: Could it be Sony/Nintendo fanboys making up outrageous complains? It's possible. But that would take a lot of effort to register on the Xbox site for that kind of nonsense. http://forums.xbox.com/281/ShowForum.aspx I know the original Xbox had all kinds of disc read errors (1st hand experience here) and there were an awful lot of complaints about it, but I haven't seen any about the 360. Ill keep trying that link. Point being though, hardware improvements that are made to fix "issues" are super common for consoles. They happen all the time, and early adopters always get the short stick in this regard. Such is the downside to adopting early. Would MS be foolish to NOT make such updates just to keep the early adopters from feeling screwed over? Heck yeah, since that would affectively be shafting every other purchaser down the road.
It has always been able to. It only means I no longer would need my homemade converter since my ****** Mitsubishi won't accept 1080p component and has no VGA port.
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