Nvidia GTX 970 just destroyed next gen consoles

@MK-Professor:

Then you are agreeing with me. Like you said, you would need a hardware 4x more powerful to run those games at 4k. Considering 1080p30/60 is console gamers standards now, we don't need those specs.

@mr_huggles_dog: speculation is to differentiate the cards feature level wise. the 9 series cards have hardware support for dx feature level 11.3 and maybe dx 12. there were mobile 8 series cards which only support feature level 11.0 like the 7 and 6 series desktop line

Huh, neither console can handle 60fps stable. And most 1080p games are cross-gen. Unity, batman and witcher will be interesting to see, specially with reports that they'll be sub-full HD showing up.

Besides, these cars are pushing 4K closer, and 4K TVs are starting to be come available. Similar to last gen, the longer it lasts, the more console will be outdated.

Chances are that the standart for console will 900p/30fps for a few years.

lulz.

NVIDIA's desktop 7 series offers partial DirectX 12 support, consolite.

Going to really look into building a pc, soon. However, **** graphics. I've had more fun on goldeneye in 320x240@sub30fps than most tech savvy games. Building a pc at this point is more about avoiding the bogus practices of Sony and ms than anything else.

“yeah in POS cross gen ports” the same can be said for the PC versions as well. The fact is that a HD7850(a low end GPU) play games on a similar level (graphics/performance) with PS4.

Here is what is wrong when you compeering totally different games: Let assume that someone thinks a game on PC with the name “A” looks “X” times better(running with a HD7850) than PS4 exclusive with the game name “B” or the other way around. Does this make him wrong or correct? Not really it is just a worthless opinion, because we have to do with totally different art style, game environment, and many other factors that have to do with opinion. But the fact is that this GPU can play multiplats on a similar level (graphics/performance) like the PS4, and that is a fact not an opinion.

A prehistoric ATI X1950 pro(similar power with the 360/ps3) play games like Crysis 2 with similar graphics and performance like the 360/ps3. Again I can ensure you that if there was a pc version for these games you mention a ATI X1950 pro(or similar) will manage to play them with similar graphics and performance like the PS3 do. (also the 7950gt is way inferior in shader performance compare to the 360 or ps3, that is why I said ATI X1950 pro)

@deadline-zero0:

Hmm no. Out of over 100 games ou now for the PS4, only 3 do not run at native 1080p, and they are not even the best looking ones! Oh, and half the library runs at 1080p60. Actually many games lately are running at flawless 60fps (Ground Zeroes, Metro Redux, Diablo 3, etc)

The ps3's cell did gpu tasks as well, so a direct comparison to a pc equivalent it's not fair. And we all know (most of us anyway) that a game console outperforms a pc with similar power. Some tries to downplay that and some tries to blow it out of proportion. The ps3 was hopelessly outperformed by the 8800gt which had a little more than twice the power than the ps3 gpu, not counting that the cell did gpu tasks, augmenting the gpu.

First of all 2560x1440 is not 4k. 1080p and 60fps at the same time is not console gamers standards. Standards are 1080p/30fps or 900p/60fps, and sometimes 900p/30fps.

It is obvious that you don’t need a GTX970 if you what to play your games with 1080p/30fps and consol settings.

@Dasein808: which part of what i said isnt accurate? sad hermit

Meh, I misread feature level as a DirectX version. I'm still waking up.

@MK-Professor:

My bad about the res.

Its funny that you are using one or two games to set the standards when, again, most games run at 1080p30 or 1080p60. Those are obviously the rule, 900p is the exception.

@miiiiv: yet you all said the exact same thing at the start of gen 7 when the early cross gen shit ports showed poor performance on the consoles. every single gen of consoles its the same shit and yet hermits continually make excuses about the previous gen and claim the current one will be different. i mean you have people in here claiming a 7850 will offer a similar level of graphics for the entirety of the gen. hermits be clueless.

@PAL360: I worded abit wrong. Sorry. Most PS4 games aren't graphically impressive. Running Diablo 3 at 60fps isn't difficult at all.

Also, BF4, COD Ghosts, BF Hardline Beta, Sniper Elite 3, Tomb Raider DE, and even Killzone Shadow Fall. They all have highly unstable frame rates.

Running a game that's not graphically impressive, a port of a last gen game and so on, at higher frame rates, is much easier. Ense why most AAA games like Black Flag, Watch Dogs, Thief, Destiny, and others to come are, and probably will be, 30fps.

Running exclusive games like Uncharted 4 or Halo 5 at higher frames or res is also easier thanks to exclusive design compared to multiplat.

Point is, most big budget titles with next gen fidelity are most likely not going to be 60fps, and even those who push it are probably going to end up unstable.

With regards to resolution, the cross gen issues comes again. BF4, Hardline, Watch Dogs, are all sub 1080p. Ofcourse, not the best example.

It remains to be seen if true next gen titles, when trying to push graphics, particle effetcs, number of assets on screen, etc (Unity, TW3) or when they, most likely, try to push 60fps (Evolve i imagine) can maintain 1080p. The PS4 has a much better shot, but wait and see.

The games that run at 1080p60 are not at max settings(exampel Metro Redux) or it be ran at 1080p/60 extremely easy(exampel Diablo 3)

while games that are more demanding play at 800p/900p/30fps watching dogs, oreder, the witcher 3, etc a HD7850 level GPU can only do so much...

I've never said that the hd 7850 will be on par with the ps4 for the entire generation. The hd 7850 is slightly slower than the ps4 gpu and I'm sure that the ps4 will perform better than a similarly powerful pc which would be low-end cpu coupled with a 7850 OC.

I give this gen 5 years at most.

@clyde46:

That would be perfect. Last gen lasted too much.

Video tech is moving too fast. Nvidia and AMD are putting out new cards that have brand new tech is not going to be available on the consoles. Its going to become really difficult for devs to create a level playing field for multuplat games. Apart from Ubisoft, Ubisoft are dicks to PC gamers.

@clyde46: a lot of people buying ps4s are former wii owners. People don't care THAT much about graphics

Funny that...... Given all this media pushing 1080p.....

So much bitter about the console sales spike. I wonder if PC will ever be as relevant as console.

PC gaming has been around for over 30 odd years. Its always relevant peasant.

Cranler , is that you .?

hahaha. Oh this one's rich

£250 is too expensive for a graphics card, well for me at least.

What I really want is a =<100watt GPU under £150 that beats my HD7850 by some reasonable margin 20-25% then I might bite, I really dislike noisy fans the 7850 is bad enough.

It is him. Isn't it odd that Cranler isn't here yet this guy is doing the same thing that Cranler would do?

£250 for a game busting GPU is a really good deal. If you can't get that then get the 960.

DON'T ARGUE ABOUT HARDWARE VS CONSOLE GAMERS.

Anyways, yes yes yes I'm buying this. Ordering next week hopefully. It was worth the wait (was close to buying a 770, for the same price as this damn beast of a card now).

Now, now, let's not rush to judgement.

These new accounts are all unique individuals who just happen, coincidentally, to share Cranler's exact moronic opinions on anything and everything.

You guys are just paranoid.

There are a lot of people in this world, and it just so happens that 4-5 of them registered during Cranler's most recent suspension, and it's also pure coincidence that they all parrot his claims using the exact same writing style while ignoring the board's quote policy the way that Cranler continues to in spite of multiple warnings.

With the console you get the CPU, GPU, RAM, motherboard, power supply, disc drive, input device, OS, and networking capabilities. With the card you get, well, just the GPU. It's stand-alone piece that costs almost as much as a console. It's not a big deal if you already have a PC with a decent CPU, but understand that you're getting a single piece of the puzzle, rather than a plug-and-play, fully-equipped machine.

I'm a PC gamer and I enjoy what I can do with my machine, but these comparisons are silly. I'll be buying a 980 GTX around the time The Witcher 3 launches. Been waiting for these cards.

Love how the same games pop up time and time again for the PC when there years old but have nothing to show which are up to date.

I'll give credit where's credits due, but until PC's are gaming at 4K which isn't super expensive nothing else matters.

It's great to see a card doing so well, but the facts remain that a card does not make a PC so you cannot put a card against a fully working console.

As someone who is likely going to purchase a 970 in the next month or so...who cares?

PCs have always trumped consoles in power immediately after, or even before, their initial launches. This changes nothing.

This will matter when the average PC game developer targets PC hardware that is more powerful than either the PS4 or the Xbox One as their base target, as console developers are allowed to target the PS4 or Xbox One as their base target because they are all identical.

This is simply not true yet for the majority of PC exclusives.

Does the 970 also come with a controller, CPU, power supply, motherboard, RAM, optical drive, and operating system?

You decided to shift the main focus of the argument, which was proposing that a 7850 delivers almost the same performance as a PS4, even with the so called "optimization".

What you have done with your request is create a situation in which you can never lose, because, those games you mentioned are not coming to PC, so there's no way to make a direct comparison.

But if we used logic then we could infer that they would run similarly as well if they were available (like most multiplats), since it's basically the same architecture with minimal differences.

Of course, someone can also mention a game that looks just as good as the PS4 exclusives you mentioned, but you would just probably say "lol that game doesn't look near as good as X".

So then we could ask you to propose a PC game to make a fair comparison, but given your history of trolling, you have claimed several times that no PC game looks as good as Infamous (even Destiny), you've already made up your mind, so it wouldn't be fair. Or you'd probably mention a game that runs really bad.

And thus it'd be useless to discuss with a troll of your caliber.

So I can just pop that sucker into my laptop and I'll have a kick ass gaming rig? Oh, that's right, I can't. How about my PC with its 300 watt PS, i-5 processor, and 32-bit Windows?

So you're telling me that I'd have to drop another $75+ for a power supply, $60+ for Windows 7, $80+ for an extra 8-12 GB RAM, just so I can drop a $350 GPU into my PC? I just spent $550+

We're not going to have a third thread on this.