@eoten: And a PC, plus upgraded components to match or beat a Pro model will cost you how much? A Pro model will have all upgraded components. Trying to build a PC to match PS5 specs will cost you more. Also, every free to play game and games like FFXIV doesnt require a PS Plus subscription. I rarely play online but I still subscribe to PS Plus every year for $40 for the "free" games.
Why buy a $700 graphics card when a $500 PS5 will play everything worth playing? Hermits can even get a $400 version since they love digital so much. PC gaming is useless.
Because quality and choices. We love digital on PC because it is an open market. You can buy from multiple stores. On console it is a closed monopoly. You buy a digital PS5 and you are at the mercy of Sony. You can only buy games cheap when Sony wants you to. Sounds like a pretty dumb thing to buy into. So, console is worse quality and less choices. If you don't care about quality and you like being a little bitch, by all means, buy a console.
BTW, you don't have to buy a $700 graphics card to play everything worth playing on PC, but you already know this.
@zaryia: Umm I know... upgrading your GPU, CPU, RAM, and SSD won't be either... If you build a PC for $399, you're gonna want to upgrade before the gen is over. You don't have to, but you also don't have to buy a Pro model PS5.
Don't know why people are buying them to begin with, that 10gb vram is going to be an issue sooner rather than later.
Because by the time 10GB+ VRAM usage becomes common, I will have already upgraded to a better GPU (RTX 4080 or whatever). So, why would I want to pay more for extra VRAM that I am not going to be using for a while? When I do need it, I will want more performance anyway.
The vast majority of people don't upgrade every card cycle, and average vram requirements are probably going to jump up once the new console gen kicks off.
The Xbox Series X only has 13.5GB of its 16GB available for games, the Xbox Series S only has 10GB RAM and games still have to work on it too. A 10GB RTX 3080 technically already has more to work with than the next gen consoles since its 10GBs completely dedicated to VRAM and the CPU can have 8-16GBs of system RAM. I also figure that by the time games start pushing a lot more than 10GB VRAM on PC the RTX 3080 won't be able to play the game maxed/high at 4k 60 even if it did have the extra VRAM due to the lacking processing power. Just look at AMD cards with more VRAM still performing worse than Nvidia counterparts with less VRAM at higher resolutions.
@eoten said:
@joshrmeyer said:
@eoten: "In a few years that PC you could build now for the same price will still be playing games on high to ultimate settings while console titles will be dialed back to low and medium settings."
What PC can I build that matches PS5 specs for $399? Don't include PSplus subscriptions since that money spent is made right back with "free" games and discounts on games. And consoles only get better with time. Devs optimize games better for consoles. PCs are the ones that will be dialed back, when comparing a $399 PC to a $399 PS5 after a few years. PC definitely has it's advantages, and faults, but for a price. Consoles have convenience and bang for buck as a huge advantage.
No, I can include PS+ because you're still spending that money. What they give back are products you paid for with your PS+ supscription. You don't think PC players get, or have access to free content? We get way more F2P games than console and never have to second guess whether or not the games we play now will be backwards compatible. Also, do you plan on getting a "pro" console upgrade when those are released in a few years? That's another $399. And since PC isn't tied into a single platform, there are always sales available. Also, Playstation titles are getting a price hike with new releases costing $70, not $60.
Forget F2P games, we get actual free games on PC from Steam, Humble Bundle, UPlay, GOG and especially Epic Games. We get titles such as World War Z, Watch Dogs 2, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, Grand Theft Auto V, Remnant: From The Ashes, A Total War Saga: Troy, Assassin's Creed Unity & Syndicate, Hitman 2016 and Civilization 6 completely for free. Hard to justify that PS+ subscription now that PC regularly gets free games and you can get even more games on top of it by subscribing to programs such as Humble Bundle and Twitch Prime (which cost you nothing if you already have Amazon prime).
GPU boost is the problem on AIB cards. The capacitor layout is cheapened compared to the ASUS TUF or Nvidia FE cards such that they can’t handle the amount of power being delivered when boosting and crashing to desktop. Bios fix is possible but that would be to limit how much the cards boost and this can lose performance. Buy the FE or ASUS TUF cards if you want a working card till others get their act together.
GPU boost is the problem on AIB cards. The capacitor layout is cheapened compared to the ASUS TUF or Nvidia FE cards such that they can’t handle the amount of power being delivered when boosting and crashing to desktop. Bios fix is possible but that would be to limit how much the cards boost and this can lose performance. Buy the FE or ASUS TUF cards if you want a working card till others get their act together.
It's already fixed, and the caps had nothing to do with it according to Nvidia. TUF and FE crashed just as much (before the fix). The difference in caps was due to the difference in the layouts per AIB, and you can't really judge quality for each on caps alone. Turned out to be BS.
It was just clickbait youtubers spreading mis-information.
Appears so, although there are several AIB's doing a redesign to switch up capacitors. Zotac GPU's have a gimped power draw because of their shoddy design but the rest seem to be safe.
i hope they are offering refunds cause people pay a lot more for these 3rd party makers.
Kinda surprising really cause usually EVGA have high quality cards... I have a 1080gtx that's been going solid for years... seems like they didn't properly test the boards they made.
Nvidia can't be too happy with this though, these 3rd party manufacturers are making them look badly with their low quality parts they are using on their boards.
Nvidia came out that this has nothing to do with the parts being used.
@BassMan: 3080? I thought you only game on the best. 🤔
Well, it is no 3090, but it will have to do. hehe :)
I can't justify paying more than twice the price for 10-15% more performance over the 3080. It is way too expensive anyway. My 2080 Ti was already enough of a ripoff for me.
@BassMan: 3080? I thought you only game on the best. 🤔
Well, it is no 3090, but it will have to do. hehe :)
I can't justify paying more than twice the price for 10-15% more performance over the 3080. It is way too expensive anyway. My 2080 Ti was already enough of a ripoff for me.
Ripoff is an understatement. Nvidia had their way with you 😂
@BassMan: 3080? I thought you only game on the best. 🤔
Well, it is no 3090, but it will have to do. hehe :)
I can't justify paying more than twice the price for 10-15% more performance over the 3080. It is way too expensive anyway. My 2080 Ti was already enough of a ripoff for me.
Ripoff is an understatement. Nvidia had their way with you 😂
Yup. I was violated. However, I needed more performance for my 3440x1440/120hz ultrawide upgrade and my 1080 Ti was not getting it done to my standards. There was no other card that delivered the goods. No competition. So, I had to...
@BassMan: 3080? I thought you only game on the best. 🤔
Well, it is no 3090, but it will have to do. hehe :)
I can't justify paying more than twice the price for 10-15% more performance over the 3080. It is way too expensive anyway. My 2080 Ti was already enough of a ripoff for me.
But its all about quality. Are you now using console peasant logic and considering price to performance ratio?😉
@Pedro: Price to performance is always a factor. However, the console performance is not on the same level. Besides... Jensen did say the 3080 was the flagship gaming GPU. :)
@zaryia: I got it by doing an in-store backorder at Canada Computers. I went right in the morning on launch day. I was second on the list for the Asus TUF and they only got 2 shipped today (first shipment). So, it is a good thing I placed the order early as there are many more people behind me waiting. Supply is so shit.
I was playing some Battlefield V MP for a couple of hours at 3440x1440/120hz and it was super smooth. No crashes, no stutter. Very nice. So far so good. :)
I am only running stock settings to test it out before I OC. I am not running anything in the background. I got the latest drivers. RDR2 at 4K/120hz on my OLED will be the real test.
@zaryia: Umm I know... upgrading your GPU, CPU, RAM, and SSD won't be either... If you build a PC for $399, you're gonna want to upgrade before the gen is over. You don't have to, but you also don't have to buy a Pro model PS5.
You don't have to upgrade your whole PC every time a new line of GPUs comes out. I built a fresh i5 6600K system when those procs launched - like 4 or 5 years ago? I'm sticking with the same system for the rtx3080.
@zaryia: Umm I know... upgrading your GPU, CPU, RAM, and SSD won't be either... If you build a PC for $399, you're gonna want to upgrade before the gen is over. You don't have to, but you also don't have to buy a Pro model PS5.
You don't have to upgrade your whole PC every time a new line of GPUs comes out. I built a fresh i5 6600K system when those procs launched - like 4 or 5 years ago? I'm sticking with the same system for the rtx3080.
PC = Flexibility.
You don't even need a PCIE 4.0 motherboard for Ampere cards. Benchmarks show that the performance difference between PCIE 3.0 and 4.0 is only 2-4 fps at best for the majority of games. RTX IO works with PCIE 3.0 and SATA 3 SSDs so you don't even miss out on that feature either. CPU bottleneck isn't that bad either at 1440p and 4k with the RTX 3080. You can get away with pairing it with a R5 3600 and experience little to no bottleneck.
Another reason I'm relieved not to be an early adopter. Let the wrinkles iron themselves out, the drivers to be updated, the hardware to be tested on the market. Will wait.
@NoodleFighter: I just had this same argument with someone in another thread and they tried to say I was trolling lol. Thank you for posting benchmarks. I never bothered going that far because they are everywhere if people want to actually inform themselves.
Another reason I'm relieved not to be an early adopter. Let the wrinkles iron themselves out, the drivers to be updated, the hardware to be tested on the market. Will wait.
Yeah totally. Must suck to be those people with an amazing graphics card that took one week to get a driver fix. /s
@Pedro: Price to performance is always a factor. However, the console performance is not on the same level. Besides... Jensen did say the 3080 was the flagship gaming GPU. :)
@BassMan: 3080? I thought you only game on the best. 🤔
Well, it is no 3090, but it will have to do. hehe :)
I can't justify paying more than twice the price for 10-15% more performance over the 3080. It is way too expensive anyway. My 2080 Ti was already enough of a ripoff for me.
But its all about quality. Are you now using console peasant logic and considering price to performance ratio?😉
LOL, that was funny Pedro but however, Jenson did stated 3080 is a true flagship among Nvidia GPU products. The RTX 3090 is really a workstation GPU and isn't meant to be a serious gaming GPU wise.
Ask ConanTheStoner, he's getting 3090 only because he really uses his PC as a workstation for his animation/3D stuff.
For me, I'll be getting ymself 3080 Founders Edition in January 2021 once Zen 3 is release. (Praying rumors are true with 5900X)
Another reason I'm relieved not to be an early adopter. Let the wrinkles iron themselves out, the drivers to be updated, the hardware to be tested on the market. Will wait.
Yeah totally. Must suck to be those people with an amazing graphics card that took one week to get a driver fix. /s
Sounds like a bit more trouble than that to me from what I've been hearing.
But don't think your beta testing isn't appreciated.
Another reason I'm relieved not to be an early adopter. Let the wrinkles iron themselves out, the drivers to be updated, the hardware to be tested on the market. Will wait.
Yeah totally. Must suck to be those people with an amazing graphics card that took one week to get a driver fix. /s
Sounds like a bit more trouble than that to me from what I've been hearing.
But don't think your beta testing isn't appreciated.
Waiting a few days for a driver fix. So much trouble. Also, as soon as it was found out that it was boost clocks causing it all you have to do is turn that off. And that's only if you didn't want to just wait for a driver fix.
I don't have one yet but I would have loved to have one at launch and I wouldn't regret it even if I had a few issues.
LOL, that was funny Pedro but however, Jenson did stated 3080 is a true flagship among Nvidia GPU products. The RTX 3090 is really a workstation GPU and isn't meant to be a serious gaming GPU wise.
Ask ConanTheStoner, he's getting 3090 only because he really uses his PC as a workstation for his animation/3D stuff.
For me, I'll be getting ymself 3080 Founders Edition in January 2021 once Zen 3 is release. (Praying rumors are true with 5900X)
I couldn't help myself. October I will find out if AMD is going to shit the bed again with their new graphics card forcing me to buy the 3090. The main issue I have with the 3090 its so freaking large. 🤬
@effinae: eh who am I kidding. I’d probably have bought one day one if I wasn’t holding off for Rocketlake to build my new rig. Though 10 GB of VRAM isn’t enough for me, but I’m not getting the 3900 just for more.
U guys are attempting to explain specs or technical facts to console boys? They still believe their ssd is gonna pump magical frame rates & beat the entire ampere lineup
@BenjaminBanklin: I was doing the F5 thing the morning of launch too and then I realized it was a waste of time and went to my local Canada Computers shop and back-ordered one. I recommend doing the same. Supply is so limited and it is almost impossible to beat out the bots. Best to secure a spot on a waiting list instead of just hoping and not making any progress. You can always cancel the order if you find another sooner.
Register and create an account. Set up text notifications it's the fastest. I had a change to get the MSI but decided not to get it because I don't want MSI. Last Friday the EVGA FTW3 went in stock at newegg and stupid me was playing Overwatch with my headphones on and didn't hear the nofication sound on my phone. By the time I saw I had a text and clicked the link it was sold out. That was at 6:36 PM and I got the text at 6:32 PM. I was so mad that whole weekend.
Register and create an account. Set up text notifications it's the fastest. I had a change to get the MSI but decided not to get it because I don't want MSI. Last Friday the EVGA FTW3 went in stock at newegg and stupid me was playing Overwatch with my headphones on and didn't hear the nofication sound on my phone. By the time I saw I had a text and clicked the link it was sold out. That was at 6:36 PM and I got the text at 6:32 PM. I was so mad that whole weekend.
Yeah, it is a miserable experience trying to hunt down a card as the bots will beat you to it even if you react to the notifications right away. The Canadian version of nowinstock is not updating properly anyway, so kind of useless.
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