NX- AMD Arctic Isles, 14nm Chips Rumors

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#51 deactivated-57d8401f17c55
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@ronvalencia: Sounds like they can do 14nm then, it just depends on how competitive Nintendo wants to be.

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#52  Edited By emgesp
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@ronvalencia:

Have to admit after reading all that I'm not totally against the idea of Nintendo utilizing 14nm APU for a 2016 release. I guess it would also confirm the reports of Nintendo using "industry leading chips".

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#53 foxhound_fox
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@emgesp said:
@foxhound_fox said:

Anything is possible at this point.

Entirely new president and probably a whole new direction for the company.

It's going to likely catch a lot of hardcore Sony/Microsoft fanboys off guard.

The majority of specs were finalized when Iwata was still alive. The only changes they can do in regards to hardware going forward is clock speed boosts, or decreases.

Says whom?

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#54 emgesp
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@foxhound_fox said:
@emgesp said:
@foxhound_fox said:

Anything is possible at this point.

Entirely new president and probably a whole new direction for the company.

It's going to likely catch a lot of hardcore Sony/Microsoft fanboys off guard.

The majority of specs were finalized when Iwata was still alive. The only changes they can do in regards to hardware going forward is clock speed boosts, or decreases.

Says whom?

They already have dev kits out. The APU part was finalized a long time ago. AMD already confirmed that they had an APU design win for an unreleased gaming system like last year.

This is when you do fine tweaks, not major hardware redesigns.

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#55 foxhound_fox
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@emgesp said:

They already have dev kits out. The APU part was finalized a long time ago. AMD already confirmed that they had an APU design win for an unreleased gaming system like last year.

This is when you do fine tweaks, not major hardware redesigns.

And wasn't there a developer who got a devkit that said that it's significantly more powerful than either the PS4 or XB1 and pretty much everything but top-of-the-line PC's?

That kind of seems like something that would catch console fanboys off guard.

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#56 EG101
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This is competing with PS5 n XB2 so it should be around 5 TF's. That could sell for $500 in $2016.

This would guarantee the PS5 n XB2 are 10+ TF's which would be a real generational leap from 1.8 TF's. If Nintendo goes 3.6 TF's expect PS5 n XB2 to go to around 7 TF's which is a mild evolutionary jump.

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#57 ldustin
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PS5 isn't coming until 2020. Microsoft doesn't have to worry about losing money on X1 by abandoning it early (they have no care for making money in the market because their whole purpose in the industry is to fold Sony and damage Nintendo for refusing MS in the past) but I seriously believe that if they dump X1 it will be replaced by Hololens (which is not going to compete with NX or PS4 in power).

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#58 EG101
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@ldustin:

These weak consoles won't last past 2018 before they are way outdated. In fact in 2015 they are feeling stagnant already.

I expect new consoles from Sony n MS by 2018.

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#59  Edited By emgesp
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@foxhound_fox said:
@emgesp said:

They already have dev kits out. The APU part was finalized a long time ago. AMD already confirmed that they had an APU design win for an unreleased gaming system like last year.

This is when you do fine tweaks, not major hardware redesigns.

And wasn't there a developer who got a devkit that said that it's significantly more powerful than either the PS4 or XB1 and pretty much everything but top-of-the-line PC's?

That kind of seems like something that would catch console fanboys off guard.

Who said anything about it being more or less powerful than the XB1/PS4?

All I said was at this point that they can't make dramatic hardware redesigns. The console is most likely coming out next year, so its all fine tuning at this point going forward.

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#60  Edited By ronvalencia
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@emgesp said:
@foxhound_fox said:
@emgesp said:

They already have dev kits out. The APU part was finalized a long time ago. AMD already confirmed that they had an APU design win for an unreleased gaming system like last year.

This is when you do fine tweaks, not major hardware redesigns.

And wasn't there a developer who got a devkit that said that it's significantly more powerful than either the PS4 or XB1 and pretty much everything but top-of-the-line PC's?

That kind of seems like something that would catch console fanboys off guard.

Who said anything about it being more or less powerful than the XB1/PS4?

All I said was at this point that they can't make dramatic hardware redesigns. The console is most likely coming out next year, so its all fine tuning at this point going forward.

For 14 nm FinFET tech, Global Foundry signed the license agreement with Samsung around April 2014 time period.

Global Foundry's original 14 nm XM is effectively dead and IBM with it.

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/181136-samsung-and-globalfoundries-buddy-up-for-14nm-while-ibm-heads-for-the-exit

Around April 2014 time period, Global Foundry's original 14 nm XM has problems.

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@EG101 said:

@ldustin:

These weak consoles won't last past 2018 before they are way outdated. In fact in 2015 they are feeling stagnant already.

I expect new consoles from Sony n MS by 2018.

How can they release new consoles in 2018 when they're struggling to make enough good exclusive games up until now?

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#62 AM-Gamer
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@ldustin: Sorry but that's probably not true. A console company will never allow a company more then a year on the market without releasing something to counter it.

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#63 NFJSupreme
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Am I the only one who loves new console specs hype and rumors? Lol

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#64  Edited By GameboyTroy
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@NFJSupreme said:

Am I the only one who loves new console specs hype and rumors? Lol

Nope. The NX rumors and hype seem juicy to me. "Industry leading chips".

http://www.nintendoforums.com/threads/nintendo-nx-will-have-incredibly-powerful-hardware.1963/

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/631516-wii-u

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#65 Razik
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No wonder Sony are thinking about a more powerful PS4

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#66 ronvalencia
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@GameboyTroy said:
@NFJSupreme said:

Am I the only one who loves new console specs hype and rumors? Lol

Nope. The NX rumors and hype seem juicy to me. "Industry leading chips".

http://www.nintendoforums.com/threads/nintendo-nx-will-have-incredibly-powerful-hardware.1963/

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/631516-wii-u

PC's FX-8800p APU size chip with 14 nm process tech can yield 28 CU class GPU. FX-8800p chip area size is smaller than Xbox One's and PS4's chip area size.

At the minimum, Nintendo should keep up with year 2016 fleet PC OEM parts.

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as for the last 10 years, nintendo ignores new tech, wii u is freaking 45nm, while ps4 and x1 uses (already dated) 28nm

no indication for nintendo using 14nm at all

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#68 FireEmblem_Man
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@ronvalencia said:
@GameboyTroy said:
@NFJSupreme said:

Am I the only one who loves new console specs hype and rumors? Lol

Nope. The NX rumors and hype seem juicy to me. "Industry leading chips".

http://www.nintendoforums.com/threads/nintendo-nx-will-have-incredibly-powerful-hardware.1963/

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/631516-wii-u

PC's FX-8800p APU size chip with 14 nm process tech can yield 28 CU class GPU. FX-8800p chip area size is smaller than Xbox One's and PS4's chip area size.

At the minimum, Nintendo should keep up with year 2016 fleet PC OEM parts.

I agree, there should be no excuses from them to not use the new die size!

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#69 superbuuman
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@leandrro said:

as for the last 10 years, nintendo ignores new tech, wii u is freaking 45nm, while ps4 and x1 uses (already dated) 28nm

no indication for nintendo using 14nm at all

Well Wii U failure might have change that...you know its bad when the CEO of a company that never made losses had to apologise for the console & take pay cut...that's a big deal. :P

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#70  Edited By ronvalencia
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@leandrro:

@leandrro said:

as for the last 10 years, nintendo ignores new tech, wii u is freaking 45nm, while ps4 and x1 uses (already dated) 28nm

no indication for nintendo using 14nm at all

Wii U's IGP + EDRAM chip was built from 40 nm.

If Nintendo repeats their under powered console hardware business model, they will fail like their Wii U. Sony's PS4 has shown the hardware business model to be successful.

The question, if I already have either Xbox One or PS4, give me a reason to buy NX. Remember, Wii U's exclusives wasn't enough to lift the console from being a failure.