NX - is 32GB storage enough?

Are you kidding me? Forcing you to buy HDD space? Are you being forced to buy 32GB? What kind nonsensical reasoning is that?

You wouldn't rather have the option of sourcing out your own storage space for potentially less money than the manufacturer is charging you?

Must be a PC gamer thing then...

I still remember the days of that $150 120GB HDD Microsoft tried selling to people when you could buy a 500GB laptop drive for about the same.

Here is something that may shock you Mr "PC Gamer", you can already attach an external hard drive to all modern and last gen consoles. I know its amazing. They have these ports called USB, you know what I am talking about. And with the USB you can connect a hard-drive. Crazy isn't it. Its like we had options for many years and now we are pretending it wasn't their. Its always fun when we pretend their are no options.

On a more serious note, having a system with a substantial internal storage is much better than appending addons. Its the main reason that hard-drives are standard in consoles because purchasing of additional memory is cumbersome and adds additional cost to the base price. We are no longer paying $150 for 120GB hard-drive and thats because 500GB is the base of the two modern consoles. Now if its turns out that the base system has two storage devices, one for on the go and the other for the "console station" then there is no problem.

Since NX is going to be a 3DS you are going to be able to plug to your TV since it´s going to play only Nintendo games -----> 32 GB no problem !

My modded 3DS has a 32 GB SD card, has 20 3DS games stored in it so far and still has a lot of room for more games.

But you are paying more for the stock internal storage. The console manufacturers are putting in cheap HDD's and then charging a premium for it.

I asked a simple question. Would you rather spend $380 on a 1TB console or $400 on a 500GB one?

Nintendo will be giving consumers that option if these rumours are true.

Why would you want to store your p0rn on the wii u as well? Jesus's Christ Nya...

They would not be giving consumers any more options than what is currently available. They would be selling you a system that has less storage for the same price as its competitors. You can try to weasel your way around that all you like but 32GB on a modern consoles is ridiculously low. No one is forcing you to pay more for more storage. You literally conjured that shit up. BTW the Xbox One S is $399 at 2TB destroying your argument.

So you can't answer my question.

1. These are all still rumours. You cannot say that 32GB is the final amount of internal storage with any certainty.
2. This is not a console. It's not a handheld either. It's supposed to be a new direction for Nintendo and gaming in general. 32GB could be plenty of space for what they are planning.
3. I conjured nothing. You can go to Costco and buy 1TB portable USB HDD's for less than $100.
4. We don't even know the price of the NX, so nothing is destroyed.
5. Lastly, the OPTION to choose your storage space is always going to be better than not being able to choose.

Shhh.... you're using logic. They don't like that.

I can't answer your question? You gave two options and showed you one that was better than the two options. That is the answer to your silly question. So to further clarify $380 for 1TB is not better than $399 for 2TB.

1. No one said it was the final amount. We are talking about IF its true because its a rumor.

2. Its not a console and not a handheld. Good, so you are unsure of the device direction but your are sure 32GB is plenty even though its all rumors. Make up your mind man.

3. Fact is that you can get a 2TB Xbox with no additional hardware attached for $399. So, you stating that at $400 you get 500GB is factually incorrect.

4. Yes that is very true but we do know that based on decades of precedence that it would be within range of its competitors. This is not outlandish assertion. Currently you can get a console with 500Gb at $300. So, unless Nintendo is going to sell their latest hardware at $200 with 32GB internal storage then you may have a point and even then it is exceptionally low. Keep in mind they currently sell the WiiU with its garbage storage at 32GB for $299.

5. Conveniently forgetting the fact that we have the feature to add additional storage to current generation systems even with the built in hard-drive. I don't understand why you are creating a scenario that in order to have a larger built in hard drive that an external hard-drives would no longer be an option. This as we both no is factually not true. So can you please stop acting as if it is.

So, when are you going to stop grasping as straws?

4 TB portable USB HDD ( Seagate ) = $125 US.

Not bad, unfortunately I don´t trust Seagate so much.

No. Wii U had 32 GB? I have had to uninstall games to make space for other games on the Wii U. Yes that can be solved with external drives but if you ask me what I want it's a 500GB to 1TB drive for a console.

I don't like having to uninstall stuff.

If it's going to be a Nintendo-machine without third party, maybe 250GB would be enough.
If it's going to use cartridges instead of discs with no installs necessary, maybe 250GB would be ok...? Hmm.
Anyway, I like having lots of space to work with.
Foxhound Fox makes a good point. Better than any of this would be an easy way to upgrade the HDD space available.

You can't have a hard drive in a portable. External drives and SD cards are the only options. Also, what's an easier upgrade than replacing external storage?

Having 2TB of internal storage?

It is understandable to not have internal storage in a portable.

But what the hell is the benefit of not having internal storage in a HOME CONSOLE? There is no advantage to failing to have sufficient storage included. NONE. Does anyone actually think lacking storage is knocking $50 or $100 off the MSRP? Hell no. Nintendo is just pocketing these cost savings.

If it's about "speed" or "noise", I can appreciate not wanting moving parts. But then they really need to find a flash memory or SSD solution that is at least respectable. The Xbox One Elite had 1TB hybrid SSD drive. Why can't Nintendo go that route? If the answer is "because hybrid system", then Nintendo obviously just doesn't "get it" when it comes to why their home consoles have fallen so far out of favor.

If these NX rumors are true, it might be fine as a handheld - as a 3DS replacement. 32GB Internal is actually quite competitive for a handheld. But in the console space it might fail in the exact ways the Wii-U failed. There are many individual PC and console games that are greater than 32GB, what to do if a user wants to buy one of these large retail games digitally? It is completely ridiculous to market a console that might be incapable of downloading and installing certain games right out of the box. But then again... this is the same company that now sells 3DS without a power cord LOL.

Truly, if the route they are going is under-powered "hybrid system" - this might be Nintendo's way of quietly abandoning the home console market, without having to admit they are abandoning the home console market.

@2Chalupas: PS4 Slim is only 500g, talk about a stupid move.

Well, you can't have 2TB of storage in a portable device. It would probably be cheaper to buy an external 2TB drive than whatever would be charged for that much internal storage anyway. I feel like people are so obsessed with numbers on boxes that common sense is thrown by the wayside. Seriously, explain how you think it's even possible to have 2TB of internal storage given the current rumors. And don't copout either.

Wow. Its like you didn't even read what he wrote.

My PS4 is also 500GB, and yes even that is too small nowadays. 1TB should be the baseline. I have a 2 TB external, and no I shouldn't have to buy another one just specially to cover for the inadequacies of a game console. (i.e. Nintendo).

If Nintendo truly doesn't want the "moving parts", that is fine. If it were about making it a better machine, they would include 256GB of flash memory or a fast SSD drive. Either of which should be entirely realistic. I had an IPOD with 128GB like 10 years ago. 32GB tells me they are just being cheap. 32GB is just absurd considering there are many games nowadays that are more than 32GB. The Wii-U already runs into this wall, where "out of the box" the internal storage is already full. What the hell is Nintendo thinking if they are repeating that mistake? At 256GB, at least you know you could get about 5 full games and a bunch of digital content.

@2Chalupas: Even 1tb is kinda a joke. We needed 1tb for last gen on PS3. Games are bigger now, Sony is stupid putting 500gb on a current gen console. Should be 2tb minimum with a 5tb option. I swear if Neo comes with 500g im gonna fall flat at the stupidity.

I read it. It doesn't make sense. What he should be saying is that he feels that this hybrid doesn't work due to storage limitations. Instead, he's saying that Nintendo should stuff a 2TB HDD in there because it's meant to also be a home console. That's dumb, and again, what is the benefit of having the drive internal vs. external other than aesthetics? You can buy a 2TB external HDD for $80, or a 500GB for $40. Meanwhile, the 2TB XB1S costs $100 more than the 500GB model. Congratulations, after factoring in the fact that bare drives bough in bulk would be cheaper you just paid an extra $40-60 for nothing extra in return. Feels good, doesn't it?

I'm all digital, so no. Get with the times Nintendslow.

Typical of them. They're doing cartilage and now 32GB, they're doing the cheap shit route.

It's obviously not enough. I think I have 2 digital games on my Wii U and that's it. They gotta give us at least 320GB minimum. That's what I have for my PS3 Slim and I only have about 70GB left. You would think by now that 1TB would be the minimal standard for all game consoles.

Well if its supposed to be a home console then 32GB is abysmally low. External hard-drives are not only not aesthetically pleasing but practically inefficient and cumbersome for portability. Anyone arguing that attaching an external hard-drive to a portable device is a better option does not understand the why a device is portable.

If you take the options you are stating not only would lose a USB port but you have unnecessary hardware attachment to your system in-addition to splitting of resources. I don't see how that is a better option than simply ponying up $10 extra for additional 500GB and $20 extra for 1.5TB internal storage. So, you are not making much sense to me.

To further break this down

Xbox One S base model 500GB is $300.

Xbox One S 1TB is $350

Xbox One S Base + 500GB external $340

Xbox One S 2TB is $399

Xbox One S Base + 2TB external $380

Now to relate to initial argument a home console whether it be hybrid or not having only 32GB is ridiculous and is not a deal to gamers unless you believe Nintendo is going to sell the system for less than $300 when the WiiU is currently being sold for the same price. Such an assertion is illogical.

You think it's going to cost more than $300 when they're trying to sell it partially as a portable and 3DS flopped at $250... Okay, I'll just ignore that stupidity (seriously, I'm so sure that you're wrong about that that I will buy you one console of your choice if NX costs over $300), tell me how Nintendo is means to have 2TB in NX. Explain how they can do it instead of just saying that they need to. It's like me saying that PS Neo or Scorpio needs to have a 6950X and 4x Titan XP in SLI with 128GB RAM, all while being no bigger than the current PS4 and costing no more than $500. You can say what something should have all you want, but at the end of the day you still need to be reasonable about what you can have. Also, it's pretty obvious that the USB 3.0 port is there specifically for external HDDs anyway.

Stop being juvenile. You are making shit up. Where did I say its going to be more than $300? I said that unless you expect them to release it for less then you and the others would have some standing on the 32GB but as it stand right now 32GB for a home console is a rippoff at $300 (take a look at the WiiU)when the competitors offer more than 10 times more local storage space at the same price. It doesn't take a genius see this.

As for the rest of the mass stupidity that you concentrated in your nonsensical rant. :| Refer to fact that you currently get at least 500GB of internal storage for $300 on a current generation systems. So please stop resorting to stupidity because you are only further invalidating your illogical point. Try make some sense man.

Oh and just so you know, the USB ports are used for other things besides storage. I guess you also would like for me to inform you of these used right?

Everything I buy is digital! WTF am I supposed to do with 32gb?! My PS Vita memory stick is that size!

I guess Nintendo thinks that their gamers don't play online games or digital games. Their online infrastructure is outdated. Nintendo is too small company to have big online digital store. I mean i buy all digital myself because most games don't come in here. I mean in scandinavia for example Wii U is not sold anymore, and only 10% games are available in here. Looks like Nintendo is going to support United States and Japan once again and don't care about Europe.

If it's 32GB on board and SD expandable, I'm fine with it. 32GB on board is decent, and if they use SD cards instead of proprietary bullshit like some other jokers, it's reasonable enough to expand that.

not xbox one ps4 third party games ... they take a alot of gbs now compared to xbox 360 and ps3 days ... even 500gb is not enough

Like always, both of your options suck ass. It will be plenty, because if the console is as described in a lot of so called "leaks" it will very likely support external HD's which can be huge and have taken some serious leaps forward in speed and accessibility.

Also, if you are going to bring up price. It will likely be the cheapest console and HD's are pretty cheap. If you can't afford an external drive chances are you weren't planning on buying a lot of games in the first place.

@Pedro: Even so, I'm confident that it'll be less than $300. And again, explain to me how they are meant to get 500-2000GB in this rumored device. All of you are dodging that question because you don't have an answer. I'm also pretty sure that your definition of "illogical" is "doesn't agree with my personal logic."

I thought we were talking about NX as a console. You can fit a normal HDD into a console. OP is talking about a HDD not flash or anything like that. If we're talking handheld I'm hoping for 64GB+.

I'm not so sure that it will launch at a low price at all.

So, this thread is about some made up scenario where the only NX rumor that's true is the 32GB internal storage part? What's the point of that? That would make this an incredibly stupid thread.

After 3DS and even Wii U, there's no way NX launches at more than $250. I'm positive of that.

I went full blown digital, screw physical games! 32GB is of course optional and I know for a fact that Nintendo will offer options if NX comes with a 1TB, then I'm buying that 1TB sucker.

@techhog89: It seems like you are frequent grabber of straws when your argument is falling flat. Now you appending elements that was not even on table. Firstly you never asked about how they can have internal storage of 500-2000GB. So it's rather interesting that I am dodging the question that was never asked. And to address your question that was never asked, a notebook hard-drive on a portable device of the rumored size is not only a possibility but has been done in smaller portable device. But that is not what the discussion was about. It was about the limited local internal storage for the home console feature to which another simple solution comes into play, have it on the docking station.

It's also interesting that you did an excellent job defining what you consider illogical because there is so much examples of that strategy in your post. So, when you are finished with saying stupid things and hoping it sticks feel free to join the logical gamers association.

The IPOD had over 32GB back in 2003. Even for a handheld 32GB isnt' that great. Though, between the 3DS and PSP/Vita (as well as smartphones) that precedent has been set at including very low storage - then requiring the separate purchase of an SD card or in Sony's case of proprietary memory. I know the fist thing I had to do for both the 3DS and Vita is run out and get a 64GB card for my digital games. I don't mind buying a few SD cards that I can stick in the system and "forget", but I really don't want to have to buy new HDD's. I want my console to be self contained. I have literally never once plugged any of my external HDD's into a game console. I only use them for file storage off of my PC and to sometimes transfer files via USB stick to other devices.

It think it really depends on how we are looking at this. As a "handheld", 32GB isn't a bad starting point. As a HOME CONSOLE, it is a freaking joke. It was already a joke with the Wii-U, but if they do it again they might as well forget it.

@2Chalupas: My 3DS only has 4g and has plenty of space. Plus all my save data, patches, and DLC go on my cartridge, so that helps a lot.

Also a cool thing, i can sell you my DLC along with my game if you buy my cartridge.

Show me examples of a hard drive in a 6-inch tablet. And as I said, this conversation is otherwise pointless if we're just talking about Nintendo theoretically making a(nother) home console is 32GB of storage. Why does this thread exist? Should I make a thread about Neo theoretically being VR-only just because? Can you explain to me the point of this thread because I'm completely confused.

The original iPod was using a tiny HDD that nobody uses anymore, and got away with it due to using very little power. NX needs all the space for a battery it can get. HDDs also produce heat, and NX has limited thermal dissipation. If they put an HDD in there, they'd actually be forced to drastically reduce the performance of the unit.

The only viable way of including an HDD would be to put it in the dock, but even then I think it would be better to leave an empty space for an HDD and let the user put one in. I guess they have to account for the people too stupid to be able to handle doing that, though.

The old ipod housed hard-drives and they were all smaller than 6-inch tablet. Also if you don't want to discuss Nintendo's theoretical making of another home console why the hell are you in this thread? Seriously? The NX is rumored to be a hybrid console. I don't know why you are set on the idea that its going to be a handheld only device and a replacement to the 3DS.

I addressed that in my previous post. Also, those drives were ridiculously slow and not fit for modern gaming unless you want 15 minute load times in some games. They were fast enough for what they were designed for, but not for a console. At least now I understand where you're coming from, but you are mistaken. There's no viable hard drive in existence for this purpose.

EDIT: Okay, they're not as slow as I thought but they're not fast either. I guess it comes down to if you feel that making huge sacrifices to battery life and performance is worth it. I keep treating it this way because saying "it's a hybrid" doesn't make the limitations of a portable disappear. At the end of the day it's a portable device that can connect to your TV, and that's what I treat it as. Thus, I think that the question is not one of if it should have as much storage as other consoles, but rather should this even try to be a console in the first place?

Just to make myself clear, I don't think that 32GB is enough; however, I also can't see any viable way of actually getting enough storage in the main unit. If they had used a notebook HDD as suggested, this thread would be about NX being weaker than Wii U instead of being about storage. There's no way to make everyone happy.

If games have very large patches or require large amount of DLC, 32 GBs may not be enough for the NX.

@techhog89: What if everything was in the cloud, and you just put games on your MicroSD cards? Cartridges could still have patches and DLC installed to them so can resale the DLC.

Would be like Steam does, except you can use cartridges and memory cards. I dont keep all my Steam games installed at once on my harddrive, only what im playing. And if Nintendo does a play while you install, omg.

So many cool things can be done if we think outside the box and innovate this stale industry.

Have people forgotten that Cartridges have their own memory? As long as there is an sd card expandable feature similiar to a phone, all is good.

The idea of a "blank slot" for a 2.5" HDD would be fine, in theory.

But my problem with Nintendo is this (based on their history of hardware that is underpowered and lacking technology relative to price/performance): We are not choosing between a system that costs $200 "without" storage or $300 "with" storage. They are not giving us that choice or that value proposition. Instead, we simply get a console that costs $300 WITHOUT storage. That is their MO.

IF<---- the system is supposed to be a hybrid system which can dock for home console usage then a simple solution would be to have the dock with a large internal storage an/ or the ability to swap the drive in the dock. The later option may not be in-line with Nintendo's design precedence but I believe the dock solution is a viable option that can be explored. It would allow gamers to swap games between the different modes while accommodating both features. What do you think?

The carts would need to use ROM in order to keep costs down, so patches on the carts would not be likely. That's the reason they're not stored on the cart for 3DS or Vita.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions here. I stand by that it will not cost more than $250.

I brought up this same point earlier.