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#51 haols
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[QUOTE="alcarazo9"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Felous1"]Since when does Oblivion appeal to casuals ?tomarlyn


Since level scalling, horrible skill system and fast travel.

Still the best Elder Scrolls, although I think they should have only enabled fast travel for a handful of major locations. The combat in previous versions was diabolical too.


why?

Random hit points awarded, a lot of the time when you struck it did nothing (I don't care if its early in the game when you're learning skills, it stinks), too many attack variables for each weapon like how you attack exactly (stab/swipe/thrust so on) which is a pain to check. It should just be a simple matter of hitting the attack button and the effect is determined by your attack skill, be it with melee or ranged weapons.

It is because people prefer compat the simple "dumb" way they made it so. And it really is sad, Oblivion really is the ugly duck of the series, yet it is pretty to look at :P
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#52 justforlotr2004
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[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]They are basing that upon the fact that Elder Scrolls games take atleast 4 years to make.
Felous1
Not really, they talked to one of the devs.



Wait Im getting to confused here I need to reread the thread real quick hold on.
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#53 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]um i think it was pretty much a givin that they were going to make a new Elder Scrolls game,but i don't think it will be coming out anytime soon..justforlotr2004
1up said it indeed won't. And like I said I hope it's third-person this time. What's the point of having cool armor sets when you don't get to appreciate it ?

and what was 1up basing that on? the Elder scrolls series has been around for sometime now and i really don't see them stopping now. and oblivion also had a 3rd person view



They are basing that upon the fact that Elder Scrolls games take atleast 4 years to make.



so shouldnt they have said there wont be another elder scrolls game coming out this generation?
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#54 jwcyclone15
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[QUOTE="Felous1"]Since when does Oblivion appeal to casuals ?foxhound_fox


Since level scalling, horrible skill system and fast travel.


IF you actually think Oblivion doesn't appeal to casuals, than just do yourself a favor and get morrowind for the PC.
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#55 Felous1
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IF you actually think Oblivion doesn't appeal to casuals, than just do yourself a faver and get morrowind for the PC.
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Lol... how does that even make sense ?
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#56 jwcyclone15
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"]and oblivion also had a 3rd person viewFelous1
Not again... Oblivion is not playable in third-person. Matter of fact, it is a pain to even rotate the camera in third-person.


not with a mouse..
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#57 justforlotr2004
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[QUOTE="alcarazo9"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Felous1"]Since when does Oblivion appeal to casuals ?tomarlyn


Since level scalling, horrible skill system and fast travel.

Still the best Elder Scrolls, although I think they should have only enabled fast travel for a handful of major locations. The combat in previous versions was diabolical too.


why?

Random hit points awarded, a lot of the time when you struck it did nothing (I don't care if its early in the game when you're learning skills, it stinks), too many attack variables for each weapon like how you attack exactly (stab/swipe/thrust so on) which is a pain to check. It should just be a simple matter of hitting the attack button and the effect is determined by your attack skill, be it with melee or ranged weapons.



Your definatly not a RPG fan then, because thats what an RPG is about.  Building your skills in game not how many times you can just move out of the way and strike someone with your sword in real time.
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#58 jwcyclone15
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[QUOTE="jwcyclone15"]IF you actually think Oblivion doesn't appeal to casuals, than just do yourself a favor and get morrowind for the PC.
Felous1
Lol... how does that even make sense ?


I spelled one word wrong, and it's now fixed
It makes perfect sense, you try to say Oblivion isn't casual but without playing past games in the series....thats a noobs mistake.
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#59 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="jwcyclone15"]IF you actually think Oblivion doesn't appeal to casuals, than just do yourself a faver and get morrowind for the PC.
Felous1
Lol... how does that even make sense ?

hes saying that morrowind was much more complex then oblivion..
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#60 MrDziekuje
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where is oblivion 2,3,4.._ i think you mean the elder scrolls 5farnham

That's what I was thinking. And I know next to nothing about the series.

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#61 Felous1
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[I spelled one word wrong, and it's now fixed
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It's not about spelling. Your whole sentence doesn't make sense. Morrowind being harder doesn't make Oblivion easy. It just makes Oblivion easier than Morrowind.
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#62 justforlotr2004
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[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]um i think it was pretty much a givin that they were going to make a new Elder Scrolls game,but i don't think it will be coming out anytime soon..lawlessx
1up said it indeed won't. And like I said I hope it's third-person this time. What's the point of having cool armor sets when you don't get to appreciate it ?

and what was 1up basing that on? the Elder scrolls series has been around for sometime now and i really don't see them stopping now. and oblivion also had a 3rd person view



They are basing that upon the fact that Elder Scrolls games take atleast 4 years to make.



so shouldnt they have said there wont be another elder scrolls game coming out this generation?



Well they always restart from scratch so unless they change that or had 2 teams with one working on ES5 for a while then I doubt we will see on within the next few years.  It will either be one of the very last games for this gen or be a launch for next gen.
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#63 lawlessx
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[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]um i think it was pretty much a givin that they were going to make a new Elder Scrolls game,but i don't think it will be coming out anytime soon..justforlotr2004
1up said it indeed won't. And like I said I hope it's third-person this time. What's the point of having cool armor sets when you don't get to appreciate it ?

and what was 1up basing that on? the Elder scrolls series has been around for sometime now and i really don't see them stopping now. and oblivion also had a 3rd person view



They are basing that upon the fact that Elder Scrolls games take atleast 4 years to make.



so shouldnt they have said there wont be another elder scrolls game coming out this generation?



Well they always restart from scratch so unless they change that or had 2 teams with one working on ES5 for a while then I doubt we will see on within the next few years. It will either be one of the very last games for this gen or be a launch for next gen.

i would prefer it to be done on the next wave of next gen consoles so they can take the series to a completely new level.
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#64 jwcyclone15
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[QUOTE="jwcyclone15"][I spelled one word wrong, and it's now fixed
Felous1
It's not about spelling. Your whole sentence doesn't make sense. Morrowind being harder doesn't make Oblivion easy. It just makes Oblivion easier than Morrowind.


Your right...just woke up :)
I never said it was "easier" >_>
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#65 justforlotr2004
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[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]um i think it was pretty much a givin that they were going to make a new Elder Scrolls game,but i don't think it will be coming out anytime soon..lawlessx
1up said it indeed won't. And like I said I hope it's third-person this time. What's the point of having cool armor sets when you don't get to appreciate it ?

and what was 1up basing that on? the Elder scrolls series has been around for sometime now and i really don't see them stopping now. and oblivion also had a 3rd person view



They are basing that upon the fact that Elder Scrolls games take atleast 4 years to make.



so shouldnt they have said there wont be another elder scrolls game coming out this generation?



Well they always restart from scratch so unless they change that or had 2 teams with one working on ES5 for a while then I doubt we will see on within the next few years. It will either be one of the very last games for this gen or be a launch for next gen.

i would prefer it to be done on the next wave of next gen consoles so they can take the series to a completely new level.

I hope they take a step back towards morrowind, I wouldnt mind if they kept some of the stuff from oblivion.  Remove the leveling of monsters, not being able to sale everything you steal, Auto travel (Exploring is a HUGE part of ES games, fast travel ruined it espcially since it revieled the entire map from the start), More  rewarding prizes in caves and stuff, hell the list can go on forever, I must say compaired to Morrowind, Oblivion sucked.
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#66 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="alcarazo9"][QUOTE="tomarlyn"][QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Felous1"]Since when does Oblivion appeal to casuals ?justforlotr2004


Since level scalling, horrible skill system and fast travel.

Still the best Elder Scrolls, although I think they should have only enabled fast travel for a handful of major locations. The combat in previous versions was diabolical too.


why?

Random hit points awarded, a lot of the time when you struck it did nothing (I don't care if its early in the game when you're learning skills, it stinks), too many attack variables for each weapon like how you attack exactly (stab/swipe/thrust so on) which is a pain to check. It should just be a simple matter of hitting the attack button and the effect is determined by your attack skill, be it with melee or ranged weapons.



Your definatly not a RPG fan then, because thats what an RPG is about. Building your skills in game not how many times you can just move out of the way and strike someone with your sword in real time.

Oh I'm an RPG fan alright (not the most hardcore) but there's a line that Morrowind crossed with me. The whole hit probability and damage variables whent way over the top even for an RPG of its magnitude. Everything else I loved.
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#67 Felous1
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I hope they take a step back towards morrowind, I wouldnt mind if they kept some of the stuff from oblivion. Remove the leveling of monsters, not being able to sale everything you steal, Auto travel (Exploring is a HUGE part of ES games, fast travel ruined it espcially since it revieled the entire map from the start), More rewarding prizes in caves and stuff, hell the list can go on forever, I must say compaired to Morrowind, Oblivion sucked.
justforlotr2004
Why does fast-travel bother you ? You don't need to use it.
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#68 justforlotr2004
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[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]I hope they take a step back towards morrowind, I wouldnt mind if they kept some of the stuff from oblivion. Remove the leveling of monsters, not being able to sale everything you steal, Auto travel (Exploring is a HUGE part of ES games, fast travel ruined it espcially since it revieled the entire map from the start), More rewarding prizes in caves and stuff, hell the list can go on forever, I must say compaired to Morrowind, Oblivion sucked.
Felous1
Why does fast-travel bother you ? You don't need to use it.



Because with fast travel it totally revieals the entire damn map which totally ruins the part of stumbling upon a huge new city.  Not to mention the entire Oblivion had less memorial land masses and places to travel around on, it mostly was just a copy and paste job all over the place.
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#69 Felous1
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Because with fast travel it totally revieals the entire damn map which totally ruins the part of stumbling upon a huge new city. Not to mention the entire Oblivion had less memorial land masses and places to travel around on, it mostly was just a copy and paste job all over the place.
justforlotr2004
So, what they need to do is have 2 different types of maps.
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#70 justforlotr2004
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[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]Because with fast travel it totally revieals the entire damn map which totally ruins the part of stumbling upon a huge new city. Not to mention the entire Oblivion had less memorial land masses and places to travel around on, it mostly was just a copy and paste job all over the place.
Felous1
So, what they need to do is have 2 different types of maps.



No what they need to do is go back to their fanbase instead of being money slaves.
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#71 Felous1
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No what they need to do is go back to their fanbase instead of being money slaves.justforlotr2004
I thought you said fast-travel was bad because of the map ? But it seems you don't want it for some other reason...
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#72 justforlotr2004
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[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]No what they need to do is go back to their fanbase instead of being money slaves.Felous1
I thought you said fast-travel was bad because of the map ? But it seems you don't want it for some other reason...



I dont want fast travel at all, whats the point of traveling if you know you can just go somewhere with a click of a button, it just totally ruins the feeling of exploring.  Besides one slip up and the 'other' map can totally ruin my entire exploration. Its not just fast travel Im talking about though, Im talking about the entire game, they need to go back to their old system. I just hope they were being smart and were using Oblivion to bring the casual players in then now are going to make it like they use to since they introduced the game with Oblivion and most should know the basics of playing.
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#73 chicken008
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Elder Scrolls 5..
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#74 heretrix
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I love how people keep referring to Oblivion as "Dumbed down for casuals". It isn't. It's a bit more simplified than the previous games but I wouldn't call it "Dumb" I prefer the term "streamlined" because as dumb as some people think casuals are, they still wouldn't be able to play Oblivion.

 I HATED Morrowind. I couldn't play it without getting completely bored for more than an hour and I have been playing RPGs for years.

There were things about Morrowind that were just slow and the travel was slow and boring..I loved Oblivion because they streamlined some of the things that made Morrowind boring to me..There were some tradeoffs, as always and you can't please everyone, but I think for the most part it was a change for the better, which has been proven to be the correct decision because more people are playing it. And for the most part most of these people aren't casuals. I don't know any of my casual gamer friends with a 360 that bought Oblivion.

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#75 justforlotr2004
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I love how people keep referring to Oblivion as "Dumbed down for casuals". It isn't. It's a bit more simplified than the previous games but I wouldn't call it "Dumb" I prefer the term "streamlined" because as dumb as some people think casuals are, they still wouldn't be able to play Oblivion.

I HATED Morrowind. I couldn't play it without getting completely bored for more than an hour and I have been playing RPGs for years.

There were things about Morrowind that were just slow and the travel was slow and boring..I loved Oblivion because they streamlined some of the things that made Morrowind boring to me..There were some tradeoffs, as always and you can't please everyone, but I think for the most part it was a change for the better, which has been proven to be the correct decision because more people are playing it. And for the most part most of these people aren't casuals. I don't know any of my casual gamer friends with a 360 that bought Oblivion.

heretrix


Elder scrolls isnt your type of game, and I hate how it changed to be your type of game ruining it for the fanbase that loved ES 1-3.  Not to mention they did a horrible job with supporting the Mod community which is a HUGE part of ES.
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#76 Felous1
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I dont want fast travel at all, whats the point of traveling if you know you can just go somewhere with a click of a button, it just totally ruins the feeling of exploring. Besides one slip up and the 'other' map can totally ruin my entire exploration. justforlotr2004
First, like I said. If you like to explore in games you don't use it. Second, it is easy to fix that, the game would have the "explorer map" by default. Then if you don't want it you switch it to "fast-traveler map" in options. Why remove fast-travel because of the map when you can easily fix the map ?
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#77 tomarlyn
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[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]I dont want fast travel at all, whats the point of traveling if you know you can just go somewhere with a click of a button, it just totally ruins the feeling of exploring. Besides one slip up and the 'other' map can totally ruin my entire exploration. Felous1
First, like I said. If you like to explore in games you don't use it. Second, it is easy to fix that, the game would have the "explorer map" by default. Then if you don't want it you switch it to "fast-traveler map" in options. Why remove fast-travel because of the map when you can easily fix the map ?

I still think they could cut down on the fast travel locations a lot, it should literally force you find your own way for good or for worse.
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#78 justforlotr2004
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[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]I dont want fast travel at all, whats the point of traveling if you know you can just go somewhere with a click of a button, it just totally ruins the feeling of exploring. Besides one slip up and the 'other' map can totally ruin my entire exploration. Felous1
First, like I said. If you like to explore in games you don't use it. Second, it is easy to fix that, the game would have the "explorer map" by default. Then if you don't want it you switch it to "fast-traveler map" in options. Why remove fast-travel because of the map when you can easily fix the map ?



like I said its not just because of the map its because I want to have the feeling of traveling have a point, and many others feel the same. If I have a way to switch to where I can go everywhere with a click of the button that totally ruins the feeling of exploring the entire world.

Anyway Im just the type of person that doesnt like the easy way, I never use cheats unless its something like GTA where its just for fun and doesnt ruin the game at all.
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Er, you mean Elder Scrolls 5 i assume? There's only one oblivion.
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[QUOTE="heretrix"]

I love how people keep referring to Oblivion as "Dumbed down for casuals". It isn't. It's a bit more simplified than the previous games but I wouldn't call it "Dumb" I prefer the term "streamlined" because as dumb as some people think casuals are, they still wouldn't be able to play Oblivion.

I HATED Morrowind. I couldn't play it without getting completely bored for more than an hour and I have been playing RPGs for years.

There were things about Morrowind that were just slow and the travel was slow and boring..I loved Oblivion because they streamlined some of the things that made Morrowind boring to me..There were some tradeoffs, as always and you can't please everyone, but I think for the most part it was a change for the better, which has been proven to be the correct decision because more people are playing it. And for the most part most of these people aren't casuals. I don't know any of my casual gamer friends with a 360 that bought Oblivion.

justforlotr2004


Elder scrolls isnt your type of game, and I hate how it changed to be your type of game ruining it for the fanbase that loved ES 1-3.  Not to mention they did a horrible job with supporting the Mod community which is a HUGE part of ES.

I guess it wasn't, now it is. I win you lose. Too bad for you I guess. That's life.
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#81 heretrix
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[QUOTE="Felous1"][QUOTE="justforlotr2004"]I dont want fast travel at all, whats the point of traveling if you know you can just go somewhere with a click of a button, it just totally ruins the feeling of exploring. Besides one slip up and the 'other' map can totally ruin my entire exploration. justforlotr2004
First, like I said. If you like to explore in games you don't use it. Second, it is easy to fix that, the game would have the "explorer map" by default. Then if you don't want it you switch it to "fast-traveler map" in options. Why remove fast-travel because of the map when you can easily fix the map ?



like I said its not just because of the map its because I want to have the feeling of traveling have a point, and many others feel the same. If I have a way to switch to where I can go everywhere with a click of the button that totally ruins the feeling of exploring the entire world.

Anyway Im just the type of person that doesnt like the easy way, I never use cheats unless its something like GTA where its just for fun and doesnt ruin the game at all.

It's really weird how you continue to argue about a function of the game that you don't have to ever use. I never use the fast travel function. I love to explore the map. The game never forces you to use fast travel. I think that because you feel betrayed by the design choices in the game, you are being unnecessarily critical of something that's optional. It doesn't ruin anything if you don't use it. But it's convienient if you don't like long trips... 
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#82 justforlotr2004
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[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

I love how people keep referring to Oblivion as "Dumbed down for casuals". It isn't. It's a bit more simplified than the previous games but I wouldn't call it "Dumb" I prefer the term "streamlined" because as dumb as some people think casuals are, they still wouldn't be able to play Oblivion.

I HATED Morrowind. I couldn't play it without getting completely bored for more than an hour and I have been playing RPGs for years.

There were things about Morrowind that were just slow and the travel was slow and boring..I loved Oblivion because they streamlined some of the things that made Morrowind boring to me..There were some tradeoffs, as always and you can't please everyone, but I think for the most part it was a change for the better, which has been proven to be the correct decision because more people are playing it. And for the most part most of these people aren't casuals. I don't know any of my casual gamer friends with a 360 that bought Oblivion.

heretrix


Elder scrolls isnt your type of game, and I hate how it changed to be your type of game ruining it for the fanbase that loved ES 1-3. Not to mention they did a horrible job with supporting the Mod community which is a HUGE part of ES.

I guess it wasn't, now it is. I win you lose. Too bad for you I guess. That's life.



Well good for you.
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#83 TrueReligion_
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I wasn't a big fan of Oblivion, as it was heavily dumbed down. I enjoyed the combat system more than Morrowind and Daggerfall, but it was still too easy.
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#84 heretrix
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[QUOTE="heretrix"][QUOTE="justforlotr2004"][QUOTE="heretrix"]

I love how people keep referring to Oblivion as "Dumbed down for casuals". It isn't. It's a bit more simplified than the previous games but I wouldn't call it "Dumb" I prefer the term "streamlined" because as dumb as some people think casuals are, they still wouldn't be able to play Oblivion.

I HATED Morrowind. I couldn't play it without getting completely bored for more than an hour and I have been playing RPGs for years.

There were things about Morrowind that were just slow and the travel was slow and boring..I loved Oblivion because they streamlined some of the things that made Morrowind boring to me..There were some tradeoffs, as always and you can't please everyone, but I think for the most part it was a change for the better, which has been proven to be the correct decision because more people are playing it. And for the most part most of these people aren't casuals. I don't know any of my casual gamer friends with a 360 that bought Oblivion.

justforlotr2004


Elder scrolls isnt your type of game, and I hate how it changed to be your type of game ruining it for the fanbase that loved ES 1-3. Not to mention they did a horrible job with supporting the Mod community which is a HUGE part of ES.

I guess it wasn't, now it is. I win you lose. Too bad for you I guess. That's life.



Well good for you.

You know, it actually is.
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[QUOTE="Vampyronight"]Best quote of the year so far. Run around and hack things to death...never worry about dying because the game's appropriately scaled. Never worry about thinking because there are no options and there's a compass point to tell you exactly where to go (even the exact location of an item inside of a cave!) 'Teh complicated!'Felous1
You say that as a gamer. But imagine a casual first getting into Oblivion.

Oh please, casuals aren't some kind of inferior being, they can handle your pseudo hardcore game.

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#86 Shadow_op
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Do you not mean "The Elder Scrolls V?"

Hopefully, they will drop the crappy Oblivion "appeal to casuals" and go back to Daggerfall/Morrowind forbidden>Cycloptis
I wouldn't count on it.

Though...would it be for better or for worse?
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#87 Felous1
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Oh please, casuals aren't some kind of inferior being, they can handle your pseudo hardcore game.Zuluking187
Just because casuals don't play games as well as gamers that doesn't make them inferior. I was just saying it's fairly complicated for your average casual.
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#88 achilles614
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If you get it for pc the mods are endless so you can have it somewhat close to what morrowind was. Wouldn't it be awesome if they redid morrowind with oblivion's graphics.
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#89 Xbox360gamer1
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I want it like Daggerfall.

161,600 square miles
15,000 Town,Cities,Villiages and Dungeon
750,000 NPCs


Oblivion is 1/10000 that games size


It had 6 different endings too
If it was night you had to scale the town walls to get in cause it was locked or bandits would attack you

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Yeah, I forgot, It was dumbed down
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#90 Tiefster
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To be honest, I've lost a lot of faith in Bethesda because of TESIV.  It may have done it for casuals and those who never played TES games on PC but to me it sucked.  It was a big world but a bland world as far as variation goes and they just got rid of a lot of things that made previous TES games great.

Not to mention TESV announced so soon after TESIV.  Its turning into a money making scheme rather than just making a game and hoping it does well.
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#91 DrinkDuff
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Don't you mean: The Elder Scrolls V?
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#92 DrinkDuff
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The next game that Bethesda is working on is the expansion of Oblivion, Shivering Isles n00bcakes. There wont be an Elder Scroll's 5 for a while yet since Shivering Isles is still not even close to being finished.DSgamer64
lol, The Shivering Isles is being released in March.
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#93 Makari
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[QUOTE="justforlotr2004"] I hope they take a step back towards morrowind, I wouldnt mind if they kept some of the stuff from oblivion. Remove the leveling of monsters, not being able to sale everything you steal, Auto travel (Exploring is a HUGE part of ES games, fast travel ruined it espcially since it revieled the entire map from the start), More rewarding prizes in caves and stuff, hell the list can go on forever, I must say compaired to Morrowind, Oblivion sucked.

Leveling of monsters - Daggerfall Selling stolen items at any shop you like - Daggerfall Auto Travel (and almost all locations incl. dungeons revealed at game start with a 'Find' option) - Daggerfall And you know what? Morrowind was dumbed down compared to Daggerfall. The game world was cut down to 0.01% of the size, the NPC's stayed as lifeless as before, the magic/enchantment system was gimped, banks were removed, purchasing houses and ships were removed, horses and horse combat were removed, half of the secret guilds/clans were cut out (incl. Dark Brotherhood! - though TBH the quests all sucked), and skills like climbing and the ability to climb itself were wiped out. The justice system and reputations in individual territories were gone. Oh, Morrowind was a LOT prettier though. And less buggy! The series has been around for a lot longer than just two games - and honestly, with Oblivion they went back to a lot of the things that were in the games except for Morrowind. Difference is they didn't hold your hand at all in Daggerfall, you're just dumped into the game world with 'hey, you should talk to so and so someday.' You're only able to physically see about four types of guilds - Fighters, Mages, Knights of the [country], and The Temple of [god/goddess]. The rest, like the Dark Brotherhood or Thieves, find you when you do something to catch their attention. And looking in the game text files, there were reputation references with guilds that I'm never sure existed in the game or not, because I couldn't find them. I loved Morrowind, I'm just saying it's very easy to roast Morrowind for the things it did vs. Daggerfall in the exact same way most are doing to Oblivion vs. Morrowind. And hearing people that have pretty obviouisly never played any other game in the series besides Morrowind talk about what the series is about... :(
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Hopefully, they will drop the crappy Oblivion "appeal to casuals" and go back to Daggerfall/Morrowind style.Felous1
Since when does Oblivion appeal to casuals ?

Since it got dumbed down, and my friend thinks its fun. Which means its for casuals.
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#95 geist117
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In the 1up podcast they said that they are gonna make it. I wish they would make it third-person this time. The fact that you had all the cool armor sets and you don't really get to appreciate it because the game is meant to be played in first-person sucks !Felous1
Was Xbox your first system?
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#96 -RPGamer-
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It's sadly obvious when people became fans of the series when they refer to iterations as "Oblivion 5". :|

I bet Oblivion 1-3 were great too :|

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#97 Felous1
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It's sadly obvious when people became fans of the series when they refer to iterations as "Oblivion 5". :|

I bet Oblivion 1-3 were great too :|

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It's quite funny because I didn't even like Oblivion that much.
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#98 darklord888
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Hopefully, they will drop the crappy Oblivion "appeal to casuals" and go back to Daggerfall/Morrowind style.Felous1
Since when does Oblivion appeal to casuals ?

Since they dumbed it down big time. Morrowind >>>>>>> Oblivion. No more scaling levels or random loot! :cry:
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#99 Ibacai
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Bah, I don't care about ES5 right now (I have Oblivion at the moment). They better be working on Fallout 3 first.
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#100 Felous1
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[QUOTE="darklord888"]Since they dumbed it down big time. Morrowind >>>>>>> Oblivion. No more scaling levels or random loot! :cry:

There's quite a bit to learn in Oblivion. I think most casuals would be turned off.