Oblivion still best game this generation so far

i used to hate rpg's but Oblivion blew my mind, and is the only game that didnt disappoint me this generation. This generation has been full of disappointments thus far. For example, Assassin's Creed, was good but to repetitive, most others games were good but way to short (Heavenly Sword, Gears of War. etc.), some games were flat out garbage (Haze, Lair, etc) and some games didnt have the wow factor they had in there previous titles (GTA). Some many games are coming out pretty soon, all of them have the hype but will they deliver? Looking forward to MGS4 and NG2 for next month, and hopefully they will justify my purchases.

What do you guys think?

This my Opinion of course

liquidsnake1987

Go play a real RPG, and it will actually blow your mind.

And Oblivion is far from the best game this gen.

That's a funny way of spelling Mass Effect.

I feel sorry for Oblivion, because if Bethesda had pulled their head out of their ass and realized they weren't making an RPG, it could have been an epic action-adventure title. Instead you're too busy trying not to break the game by over/under-leveling.

When I started to enjoy the game based on it's own merits, I gradually started to like it more and more. I did the same with Morrowind (it was dumbed down severely from Daggerfall, moreso than Oblivion was from Morrowind) and I'll do the same with Fallout 3.

It's a shame the Morrowind fans let their resentment get in the way of their enjoyment.

i used to hate rpg's but Oblivion blew my mind, and is the only game that didnt disappoint me this generation. This generation has been full of disappointments thus far. For example, Assassin's Creed, was good but to repetitive, most others games were good but way to short (Heavenly Sword, Gears of War. etc.), some games were flat out garbage (Haze, Lair, etc) and some games didnt have the wow factor they had in there previous titles (GTA). Some many games are coming out pretty soon, all of them have the hype but will they deliver? Looking forward to MGS4 and NG2 for next month, and hopefully they will justify my purchases.

What do you guys think?

This my Opinion of course

liquidsnake1987

Which is the reason why you like it, its DUMBED DOWN GARBAGE with no story, no real challenge other then cheese factor.. Oblivion is the most over-rated PoS game I have ever seen... It is not only dumbed down from Morrowind but from rpg's in general.. To call Oblivion a RPG instead of a weak sauce action adventure game is being extremely generous.

When I started to enjoy the game based on it's own merits, I gradually started to like it more and more. I did the same with Morrowind (it was dumbed down severely from Daggerfall, moreso than Oblivion was from Morrowind) and I'll do the same with Fallout 3.

It's a shame the Morrowind fans let their resentment get in the way of their enjoyment.

gingerdivid

I am no morrowind fan, I never played that game more then 15 minutes.. But as a WRPG fan this game is dumbed down to a extreme, there is no real character deveolpment worth speaking of, no consquences, no real decision making..

[QUOTE="Dahaka-UK"]Nope I found Oblivion to be highly boring and repetative.Nytegard

QFT. The only game I ever liked that Bethesda made was Redguard. Needless to say, when they took over the Fallout franchise, you can guess what I was thinking how they would effect a once good PRG series.

I'll tell you how its going to effect a once good Rpg series, they are going to make it GREAT instead of merly GOOD.

The only fault i had with oblivion was the level scaling, it made the game too easy and item/weapon finding not as much fun.

Other than that oblivion is my favorite game from this gen, but i agree with the people who say that morrowind was better.

I used to have dreams about playing that game!

[QUOTE="liquidsnake1987"]

i used to hate rpg's but Oblivion blew my mind, and is the only game that didnt disappoint me this generation. This generation has been full of disappointments thus far. For example, Assassin's Creed, was good but to repetitive, most others games were good but way to short (Heavenly Sword, Gears of War. etc.), some games were flat out garbage (Haze, Lair, etc) and some games didnt have the wow factor they had in there previous titles (GTA). Some many games are coming out pretty soon, all of them have the hype but will they deliver? Looking forward to MGS4 and NG2 for next month, and hopefully they will justify my purchases.

What do you guys think?

This my Opinion of course

vash47

Go play a real RPG, and it will actually blow your mind.

And Oblivion is far from the best game this gen.

Opinions are like A**holes, everybodys got one and they all stink

[QUOTE="gingerdivid"]

When I started to enjoy the game based on it's own merits, I gradually started to like it more and more. I did the same with Morrowind (it was dumbed down severely from Daggerfall, moreso than Oblivion was from Morrowind) and I'll do the same with Fallout 3.

It's a shame the Morrowind fans let their resentment get in the way of their enjoyment.

sSubZerOo

I am no morrowind fan, I never played that game more then 15 minutes.. But as a WRPG fan this game is dumbed down to a extreme, there is no real character deveolpment worth speaking of, no consquences, no real decision making..

I then realised that it's no real WRPG, so I tried it again, with an open mind, dismissing it's flaws and I was rewarded with a great adventure title, it had some very good quests (which were better than Morrowinds best, like the Heist and whodunit), decent combat, great visuals and it was relatively polished compared to other open ended games.

It isn't the best game I've ever played, and I didn't enjoy it as much as I would of hoped, but it's still a great game.

Try it again with mods.

Oblivion is the best game everPhoenix_Wright-

and if your an elistist or you don't think oblvion is an RPG don't bother posting because your opinions are boring and I don't know how anyone can claim its not an RPG, thats just eliteism in its most annoying statePhoenix_Wright-

[QUOTE="Phoenix_Wright-"]Oblivion is the best game everRobbieH1234

and if your an elistist or you don't think oblvion is an RPG don't bother posting because your opinions are boring and I don't know how anyone can claim its not an RPG, thats just eliteism in its most annoying statePhoenix_Wright-

I think the people who are hitting on Oblivion are the ones without the taste buds.

I've logged 100+ hours, and I haven't even played the damn main quests yet. This game is so open -- there's no reason to get bored with a world where you can do just about anything.

I personally think it should be up there with Zelda OOT, but to each his own.

I honestly find it odd that most of the negatives you listed (and not just you, but many people who claim to like Morrowind over Oblivion), were features from Daggerfall, which many ES fanboys tend to think of as the best game in the series. Just make Oblivion even more generic, and about 8000x larger, and you pretty much have an updated version of Daggerfall.

Nytegard

What are you talking about? All the features found in Oblivion besides the new combat system and voice acting are also found in Morrowind, would that mean if Morrowind were to be expanded by 10x that it would be Daggerfall with better graphics? No.

Daggerfall was almost completely randomized, the Character Creator was waayy better than that of Morrowind or Oblivion www.youtube.com/watch?v=7I0NO2buEEs , and the game is quite obviously just different and nothing in Oblivion or Morrowind will make them even similar without the help of mods.

I'm also a bit irked by some of the reasoning behinds "Oblivions greatness" :roll:

You can like the game but please don't say that it offers more RPG elements then all the other RPGs out there. RPGs aren't about making YOU the character, they're about RPG A character. It could be you but ultimately they aren't about you in particular, it's about the character.

What is more, Oblivion doesn't offer many if ANY choices and consequences as far as quests, the voice acting is terrible compared to Icewind Dale or Diablo 2, the Character Creator is hideous, and to top it off: an empty 16 mile box is still an empty box, and I think that describes Oblivion well.

What is more, Oblivion doesn't offer many if ANY choices and consequences as far as quests, the voice acting is terrible compared to Icewind Dale or Diablo 2, the Character Creator is hideous, and to top it off: an empty 16 mile box is still an empty box, and I think that describes Oblivion well.

VoodooGamer

Does anyone else hate when people say that? It's called emulating life -- which has plenty of empty boxes to walk around in. As the new generations come in gaming, expect to see even larger "empty boxes."

[QUOTE="Phoenix_Wright-"]Oblivion is the best game everRobbieH1234

and if your an elistist or you don't think oblvion is an RPG don't bother posting because your opinions are boring and I don't know how anyone can claim its not an RPG, thats just eliteism in its most annoying statePhoenix_Wright-

i haven't played fallout 1 but yes it is better than all the other games and its clearly and RPG, that website also says oblivion has no depth, which is also wrong. Just because you link me to someweb about something doesn't mean its true.

[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]

What is more, Oblivion doesn't offer many if ANY choices and consequences as far as quests, the voice acting is terrible compared to Icewind Dale or Diablo 2, the Character Creator is hideous, and to top it off: an empty 16 mile box is still an empty box, and I think that describes Oblivion well.

Deiuos

Does anyone else hate when people say that? It's called emulating life -- which has plenty of empty boxes to walk around in. As the new generations come in gaming, expect to see even larger "empty boxes."

It's not an emulation of "life" in the least. The Elder Scrolls is about simulating a fantasy world. Unlike Daggerfall and to some extent, Morrowind, it lacks choices and consequences and vital RPG elements that allow for complex character development. Unlike Daggerfall, everything you do in Oblivion is pointless because there are no consequences for your actions and that is what I meant by my last statement.

[QUOTE="Deiuos"][QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]

What is more, Oblivion doesn't offer many if ANY choices and consequences as far as quests, the voice acting is terrible compared to Icewind Dale or Diablo 2, the Character Creator is hideous, and to top it off: an empty 16 mile box is still an empty box, and I think that describes Oblivion well.

VoodooGamer

Does anyone else hate when people say that? It's called emulating life -- which has plenty of empty boxes to walk around in. As the new generations come in gaming, expect to see even larger "empty boxes."

It's not an emulation of "life" in the least. The Elder Scrolls is about simulating a fantasy world. Unlike Daggerfall and to some extent, Morrowind, it lacks choices and consequences and vital RPG elements that allow for complex character development. Unlike Daggerfall, everything you do in Oblivion is pointless because there are no consequences for your actions and that is what I meant by my last statement.

Compared to Daggerfall, elaborate on a "lack of consequences," because I haven't experienced that as I've been playing Oblivion.

I also haven't experienced the lack of "choices." I don't know how many hundreds of side-quests I haven't even touched, and I've been playing this game for well over a year, and I'm still enjoying it.

Never did I think that I would see the day someone would rate Oblivion above Fallout...

Pip-Boy is very angry

[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"]

[QUOTE="Phoenix_Wright-"]Oblivion is the best game everPhoenix_Wright-

and if your an elistist or you don't think oblvion is an RPG don't bother posting because your opinions are boring and I don't know how anyone can claim its not an RPG, thats just eliteism in its most annoying statePhoenix_Wright-

i haven't played fallout 1 but yes it is better than all the other games and its clearly and RPG, that website also says oblivion has no depth, which is also wrong. Just because you link me to someweb about something doesn't mean its true.

[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"][QUOTE="Deiuos"][QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]

What is more, Oblivion doesn't offer many if ANY choices and consequences as far as quests, the voice acting is terrible compared to Icewind Dale or Diablo 2, the Character Creator is hideous, and to top it off: an empty 16 mile box is still an empty box, and I think that describes Oblivion well.

Deiuos

Does anyone else hate when people say that? It's called emulating life -- which has plenty of empty boxes to walk around in. As the new generations come in gaming, expect to see even larger "empty boxes."

It's not an emulation of "life" in the least. The Elder Scrolls is about simulating a fantasy world. Unlike Daggerfall and to some extent, Morrowind, it lacks choices and consequences and vital RPG elements that allow for complex character development. Unlike Daggerfall, everything you do in Oblivion is pointless because there are no consequences for your actions and that is what I meant by my last statement.

Compared to Daggerfall, elaborate on a "lack of consequences," because I haven't experienced that as I've been playing Oblivion.

I also haven't experienced the lack of "choices." I don't know how many hundreds of side-quests I haven't even touched, and I've been playing this game for well over a year, and I'm still enjoying it.

Well for instance, the main quest. In Oblivion your character doesn't have the choice to kill Martin or any of the vital quest characters which is obviously ridiculous. What is more, your character can't betray Martin for Mehrunes Dagon, you're FORCED to fight along with Martin whereas in other RPGs you can join the "dark side."

Oblivion offers very little in the way of choices and consequences as far as the world goes. If I kill someone, no one cares. If I betray my guild, I just get kicked out. If I join two guilds, no one cares...the world just doesn't react at all.

In Daggerfall, if you don't complete a quest after a month, the guildmaster will hand it to another guild member to complete. If you don't meet the Queen at the tavern within six months, tough luck. They're also 11 different endings in Daggerfall..

It was pretty fun,but not the best IMO.

Compared to Daggerfall, elaborate on a "lack of consequences," because I haven't experienced that as I've been playing Oblivion.

I also haven't experienced the lack of "choices." I don't know how many hundreds of side-quests I haven't even touched, and I've been playing this game for well over a year, and I'm still enjoying it.

Deiuos

As for concequences, the problem is that you can't shape your world. Sure there are tons of decisions you can make, but what do they lead to? Nothing, you get your reward and the world remains the same. You can easily learn and level every skill. As a result there is no reason to replay the game unless you were like me and power-leveled on your first playthrough, which (due to the scalable enemies) breaks the game. Because the game is so scalable there is no concequence for doing (or not doing) anything. You could literally play the entire game at level 1 and have almost the exact same experience as you would at level 99.

I used to hate rpg's but Oblivion blew my mind, and is the only game that didnt disappoint me this generation. This generation has been full of disappointments thus far. For example, Assassin's Creed, was good but to repetitive, most others games were good but way to short (Heavenly Sword, Gears of War. etc.), some games were flat out garbage (Haze, Lair, etc) and some games didnt have the wow factor they had in there previous titles (GTA). Some many games are coming out pretty soon, all of them have the hype but will they deliver? Looking forward to MGS4 and NG2 for next month, and hopefully they will justify my purchases.

What do you guys think?

This my Opinion of course

liquidsnake1987

I love rpgs, but hate Oblivion. Most people who love rpgs hate Oblivion (I think). Oblivion is made for people who typically don't like rpgs. Tell me this...did you enjoy the fact that you NEVER EVER felt more powerful throughout the entire game? Did you like the level scaling and the fact that leveling up your character meant NOTHING and was a pointless waste of time?

[QUOTE="Deiuos"][QUOTE="VoodooGamer"][QUOTE="Deiuos"][QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]

What is more, Oblivion doesn't offer many if ANY choices and consequences as far as quests, the voice acting is terrible compared to Icewind Dale or Diablo 2, the Character Creator is hideous, and to top it off: an empty 16 mile box is still an empty box, and I think that describes Oblivion well.

VoodooGamer

Does anyone else hate when people say that? It's called emulating life -- which has plenty of empty boxes to walk around in. As the new generations come in gaming, expect to see even larger "empty boxes."

It's not an emulation of "life" in the least. The Elder Scrolls is about simulating a fantasy world. Unlike Daggerfall and to some extent, Morrowind, it lacks choices and consequences and vital RPG elements that allow for complex character development. Unlike Daggerfall, everything you do in Oblivion is pointless because there are no consequences for your actions and that is what I meant by my last statement.

Compared to Daggerfall, elaborate on a "lack of consequences," because I haven't experienced that as I've been playing Oblivion.

I also haven't experienced the lack of "choices." I don't know how many hundreds of side-quests I haven't even touched, and I've been playing this game for well over a year, and I'm still enjoying it.

Well for instance, the main quest. In Oblivion your character doesn't have the choice to kill Martin or any of the vital quest characters which is obviously ridiculous. What is more, your character can't betray Martin for Mehrunes Dagon, you're FORCED to fight along with Martin whereas in other RPGs you can join the "dark side."

Oblivion offers very little in the way of choices and consequences as far as the world goes. If I kill someone, no one cares. If I betray my guild, I just get kicked out. If I join two guilds, no one cares...the world just doesn't react at all.

In Daggerfall, if you don't complete a quest after a month, the guildmaster will hand it to another guild member to complete. If you don't meet the Queen at the tavern within six months, tough luck. They're also 11 different endings in Daggerfall..

It is a shame I can't kill main quest characters -- I agree with that, and I think the game could make improvements regarding how "dark" you can be. In Oblivion, you have the Dark Brotherhood and the Theives Guild if you like being evil.. Though, since they're side quests, they don't effect the overall world.

I have fun with it however -- I have a Necromancer character, and an assassin character, and in the open world Oblivion gives, it's a thrill to go crazy on civilians, kill them, take their keys, and raid their homes. I understand why you can't do it to certain people, like main quest men -- if they were dead, and you decided to play good, you couldn't get vital things to continue in the game -- though, that would be a nice "consequence."

You say "if I kill someone, no one cares." That's completely untrue, as in Oblivion, if you kill someone, the guards will be on your throat in a second, and will threaten to take you to jail. With the choices Oblivion offers, I can pay the fine, or "pay with my blood" which is obviously my favorite answer. :) The game could make improvements with how much people react to you killing others -- but, I think it's fine with how it is.

In Daggerfall, do people care if you join two guilds? Is there more consequence if you kill someone? Are you allowed to kill people in the "main quests" ? How time plays a huge factor in the game sounds very cool -- maybe I should play it sometime if it actually goes that step above Oblivion, from how you say.

[QUOTE="Deiuos"]

Compared to Daggerfall, elaborate on a "lack of consequences," because I haven't experienced that as I've been playing Oblivion.

I also haven't experienced the lack of "choices." I don't know how many hundreds of side-quests I haven't even touched, and I've been playing this game for well over a year, and I'm still enjoying it.

PBSnipes

As for concequences, the problem is that you can't shape your world. Sure there are tons of decisions you can make, but what do they lead to? Nothing, you get your reward and the world remains the same. You can easily learn and level every skill. As a result there is no reason to replay the game unless you were like me and power-leveled on your first playthrough, which (due to the scalable enemies) breaks the game. Because the game is so scalable there is no concequence for doing (or not doing) anything. You could literally play the entire game at level 1 and have almost the exact same experience as you would at level 99.

You're right. Though, regardless of the world not "changing" to the choices you make -- I think some people need to admit that it is still a great immersive experience. I love every second of it.

What games are like Oblivion, but actually offer a world that "changes" to your choices? I'd love to play them.

Go play the Witcher. Hands down the BEST rpg this generation. A real kickback to the great rpgs of yore. It has much much better combat than oblivion - much more fluid and gory, better story - making choices FTW, more interesting characters - heretic-burning townspeople, and 100000000000x more memorable zones. Oblivion may be bigger, but WOW, IT IS ALL GRASS WITH TREES WITH THE OCCASIONAL OBLIVION GATE.

Oh yea and an rpg full of generic loot FTL

Oblivion is one of the most overrated games this gen.

The WItcher, Lost Odyssey and Age Of Conan are all better then Oblivion

Oblivion isn't an RPG.

Oblivion is hack and slash adventure with pseudo-RPG elements.

In summary, Oblivion is among the most overrated games in a long time.

Thompsonwhore

Ahh yes psuedo coding complete n00bs way of using VB/C++.

Great way of saying dumbed down to be honest and I have to agree if you aren't a complete graphics whore and you want to play an Elder Scrolls game go and get Morrowind.

you spelled Grand theft auto 4 wrong.

You're right. Though, regardless of the world not "changing" to the choices you make -- I think some people need to admit that it is still a great immersive experience. I love every second of it.

What games are like Oblivion, but actually offer a world that "changes" to your choices? I'd love to play them.

Deiuos

As for games that you can shape with your choices, I would definitely recommend anything by Bioware or Black Isle, particularly Fallout 1 and 2. The Witcher is pretty good as well, if you can get past some of the glitches and the piss-poor voice acting (luckily they have an improved edition coming out in late summer/early fall).

If you thought Oblivion was great then you must think Mass Effect is the pinnacle of gaming and that no game will ever be better no matter how hard they try.Vaasman

Dont get me started with that flop of a hybrid it fails in both genres, rpg and shooter. (IMO)

[QUOTE="Firelore29"]Oblivion was and is an amazing game. Those of you saying that the leveling system is messed up obviously never mastered it. SecretPolice

There is no mastering it - it is what it is, a gimmick that prevents the player from achieving what we seek in a game; level up ( do more then required ) and become stronger then the enemy.

That does not happen in Oblivion since the enemy is always, no matter what, is made to be equal the player regardless of how much extra leveling the player does !

Like I said, feels just like a A.I. catch up mode in cheap racing games.

Not cool !

Perfect example of someone who didn't master the leveling up system. If you have skills and work the leveling up system properly then you can be much stronger then the enemy's. You obviously did not so therefore you failed.

Omg i wish i had seen this thread sooner.

Are you serious? Oblivion is one of the biggest disappointments for its time, ever. So many glaring issues with that game, it's mind boggling.

This thread shoulda been called "Oblivion still the most overrated game this generation so far."

WTB a REAL Elder Scrolls game.