Obsidian about to climb to Rockstar & CD Project Red levels. XSX will be gamers system of choice.

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#51 ermacness
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@mrbojangles25 said:

Dude, Obsidian is and has been beyond Rockstar's and CD Project's level. Not really sure what you are going on about.

Obsidian:

  • KOTOR 2
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Pillars of Eternity 2
  • Tyranny
  • Fallout: New Vegas
  • The Outer Worlds
  • Neverwinter Nights 2
  • Alpha Protocol
  • Wasteland 2
  • South Park Stick of Truth

CD Project Red:

  • The Witcher 2
  • The Witcher 3
  • Thronebreaker: The Witcher Tales

Rockstar:

  • Manhunt
  • Bully
  • GTA SA
  • GTA VC
  • GTA 4
  • GTA 5
  • RDR 1
  • RDR 2
  • LA Noire

Rockstar comes close to having the amount of quality titles Obsidian has, but their reliance on a.) the same franchise for about 90% of the time (GTA) and b.) the whole open-world bullshit knocks them down a bit imo.

CD Project has good games in The Witcher series, but...that's about it. Not listing Cyberpunk bc it is not out yet.

Obsidian is the true king out of these three developers, and has been for decades.

1st of all, you forgot Midnight Club on Rockstar side (Midnight Club 3 DUB Edition was VERY successful). 2nd, GTA:SA, GTAV, RDR, and RDR2 are both critically and commercially above nearly everything if not anything Obsidian had created.

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Link to your streaming claims because from the last I heard, PSNow was ahead of GP in subscribers, though I very well could be wrong now.

Actually, GP is way ahead in subs due to the fact MS gives it away like candy introducing it for a dollar. PSNow is likely ahead in revenue as they're not so desperate for headlines to pull a stunt like this. Xbox's overall revenue is STILL down despite boasting all these subs.

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@BenjaminBanklin:

Oh ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

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@mrbojangles25: I think some ex Obsidian dev's might have worked on it.

I agree though, can't wait for Wasteland 3 next month

Wait, next month? Didn't realize it was so close :D

And yeah I think you're right. Says Chris Avellone (yay!) worked on it.

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@ermacness said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

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1st of all, you forgot Midnight Club on Rockstar side (Midnight Club 3 DUB Edition was VERY successful). 2nd, GTA:SA, GTAV, RDR, and RDR2 are both critically and commercially above nearly everything if not anything Obsidian had created.

I didn't forget, I just don't like.

As for your other claims, fair enough. I only listed the games I either enjoyed or considered quality.

Both Rockstar and CD Proj are incredible developers, Obsidian is just more my style. Not really concerned with success, overblown budgets, critical reception, and so on.

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And people were bothered by my DF threads? lol

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#57  Edited By sakaiXx
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I do hope this time Obsidian will be able to create games with unlimited test time cause many times now their projects seems hampered by bugs and glitches. Also hope they sold more as well.

Outer World for all that hype only surpassed 2 million unit just by February this year while Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire bombed sales wise. Hope MS marketing brings luck to them cause they have some of the best writers in the industry.

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Obsidian is one of the best devs in business. Whatever they are working on has my attention. If MS is funding it then it could be great, provided they don't dictate them.

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Obsidian is one of the best devs in business. Whatever they are working on has my attention. If MS is funding it then it could be great, provided they don't dictate them.

Hopefully its something that would interest me. I can't say that their games have captured much of my attention.

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#60  Edited By loe12k
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Y

@i_own_u_4ever said:

We already know Obsidian is a beloved developer by hardcore gamers and we already know that Fallout New Vegas is considered the best Fallout game and we already know that The Outer Worlds is a great new franchise.

We also know that Obsidian due to budget constraints has not been able to be a top shelf big budget developer like Rockstar and CD Project Red. This is all about to change and Obsidian is likely going to be sitting at the podium with the big boys now.

The latest scuttle butt is that Obsidian is working on a huge new big budget fantasy RPG in the vein of games like Skyrim. Bethesda has clearly got to be a little concerned now. Everyone already knows that Obsidian >>> Bethesda but never had the budget to over take them. That has all changed MS is making it rain at Obsidian and clearly MS has big plans for Obsidian.

MS knows that if Obsidian can produce a game in the vein of a game like Skyrim that it can be a huge mega hit and shift huge amounts of market share. It's looking like this is exactly the plan. This isn't going to be a budget constrained game like The Outer Worlds. The word on the street is that Obsidian has hundreds of developers working on a new fantasy RPG mega project in the vein of a game like Skyrim. MS is pumping the money into Obsidian now to make them a MEGA developer and to sit tall with the big boys.

With Obsidian's pedigree, and with MS $$$, and Obsidian going after the Skyrim thrown this is bad news for Bethesda and Sony.

Lets be honest here if Obsidian is making a huge big budget game in the vein of a Skyrim type game with a HUGE budget and hundreds of developers I think it's safe to say that the XSX and the XSS will sell like hotcakes because gamers will want this game.

Is the XSX & XSS now a must own system, and is MS poised to take back huge chunks of market share, and the XSX be the system of choice for games this gen? Sony fanboys have to be concerned and keeping an eye on this developing story, and they must be worried that they no longer have Obsidian on PS systems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOa6xjnSYjo go to 6:44

Sony has not got many first party studios. Bloodborne and Order 1886 are games made by third party devs. MS will outpace them next year easily with owned studios. Sony studios will have nothing major for 4 years. That's why the only game Sony AAA had to show was Horizon Zero Dawn,

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@loe12k said:

Y

@i_own_u_4ever said:

We already know Obsidian is a beloved developer by hardcore gamers and we already know that Fallout New Vegas is considered the best Fallout game and we already know that The Outer Worlds is a great new franchise.

We also know that Obsidian due to budget constraints has not been able to be a top shelf big budget developer like Rockstar and CD Project Red. This is all about to change and Obsidian is likely going to be sitting at the podium with the big boys now.

The latest scuttle butt is that Obsidian is working on a huge new big budget fantasy RPG in the vein of games like Skyrim. Bethesda has clearly got to be a little concerned now. Everyone already knows that Obsidian >>> Bethesda but never had the budget to over take them. That has all changed MS is making it rain at Obsidian and clearly MS has big plans for Obsidian.

MS knows that if Obsidian can produce a game in the vein of a game like Skyrim that it can be a huge mega hit and shift huge amounts of market share. It's looking like this is exactly the plan. This isn't going to be a budget constrained game like The Outer Worlds. The word on the street is that Obsidian has hundreds of developers working on a new fantasy RPG mega project in the vein of a game like Skyrim. MS is pumping the money into Obsidian now to make them a MEGA developer and to sit tall with the big boys.

With Obsidian's pedigree, and with MS $$$, and Obsidian going after the Skyrim thrown this is bad news for Bethesda and Sony.

Lets be honest here if Obsidian is making a huge big budget game in the vein of a Skyrim type game with a HUGE budget and hundreds of developers I think it's safe to say that the XSX and the XSS will sell like hotcakes because gamers will want this game.

Is the XSX & XSS now a must own system, and is MS poised to take back huge chunks of market share, and the XSX be the system of choice for games this gen? Sony fanboys have to be concerned and keeping an eye on this developing story, and they must be worried that they no longer have Obsidian on PS systems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOa6xjnSYjo go to 6:44

Sony has not got many first party studios. Bloodborne and Order 1886 are games made by third party devs. MS will outpace them next year easily with owned studios. Sony studios will have nothing major for 4 years. That's why the only game Sony AAA had to show was Horizon Zero Dawn,

Yup Cows will be starved for games for the next 4-5 years now.

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@ermacness said:

Link to your streaming claims because from the last I heard, PSNow was ahead of GP in subscribers, though I very well could be wrong now.

Actually, GP is way ahead in subs due to the fact MS gives it away like candy introducing it for a dollar. PSNow is likely ahead in revenue as they're not so desperate for headlines to pull a stunt like this. Xbox's overall revenue is STILL down despite boasting all these subs.

He fails to realize that, that terrible PSNow service has been out for several years more.

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@i_own_u_4ever said:

Wow you may just be the biggest idiot on these boards. MS gaming division as a whole most years not only is profitable but makes more then Sony. Not hardware sales Gaming Division sales. Can you get that or should I lower this down to the Short Bus level for you?

Now I KNOW you're lying. PSN alone makes more than all of Xbox's gaming revenue combined. Playstation pulled in almost 19 billion in revenue last year. PSN made over 12 billion alone, WITH operating profit. While Xbox made 10 billion total.

https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2020/02/04/sony-psn-revenue-2019-subscription-digital/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2020/01/29/xbox-revenue-is-down-21-but-microsoft-has-a-reason/#2e9a00e515fd

No, I'm sorry bud, but I own YOU forever.

You own nothing MS gaming division as a whole has made MS billions and most years made big profits. This past year it's been down but that's the case for most being the new consoles are coming out this year so consumers are spending less and waiting for next gen.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/microsoft-gaming-division-made-115-billion-in-2018-33451125/

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The wrath of the fanboy accountants.😂

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@i_own_u_4ever said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:

Now I KNOW you're lying. PSN alone makes more than all of Xbox's gaming revenue combined. Playstation pulled in almost 19 billion in revenue last year. PSN made over 12 billion alone, WITH operating profit. While Xbox made 10 billion total.

https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2020/02/04/sony-psn-revenue-2019-subscription-digital/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2020/01/29/xbox-revenue-is-down-21-but-microsoft-has-a-reason/#2e9a00e515fd

No, I'm sorry bud, but I own YOU forever.

You own nothing MS gaming division as a whole has made MS billions and most years made big profits. This past year it's been down but that's the case for most being the new consoles are coming out this year so consumers are spending less and waiting for next gen.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/microsoft-gaming-division-made-115-billion-in-2018-33451125/

It hasn't made any damn profit, or else they would have reported it. There's no operating income coming out of there. Also, what are you trying to prove here? I just posted 2019's numbers while you're posting 2018's. Shit, the Playstation division did 21 bil that year. Xbox ain't got shit for Playstation on that front. They spent more money than they make trying to chase Sony's tail.

MS has to buy people's love while Sony gets it through talent.

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@BenjaminBanklin: /thread

Also - lemmings are the worst, most embarrassing fanboys on the planet. This thread is a prime example

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Wow, still not banned. MS has tried and failed but they'll sure get Sony this time /s. Stockholm syndrome at its finest.

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It would be great to see an AAA Obsidian title soon with a nearly unlimited budget, but I think you are daydreaming a little too much if you believe that one great exclusive will turn the tide for Microsoft. They need at least five good exclusives to be able to win over Sony next gen.

I agree that Obsidian is a great developer and at the moment they are miles better than Betheseda. Fallout 76? Get that multiplayer garbage out of here.

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#69 I_own_u_4ever
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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@i_own_u_4ever said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:

Now I KNOW you're lying. PSN alone makes more than all of Xbox's gaming revenue combined. Playstation pulled in almost 19 billion in revenue last year. PSN made over 12 billion alone, WITH operating profit. While Xbox made 10 billion total.

https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2020/02/04/sony-psn-revenue-2019-subscription-digital/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2020/01/29/xbox-revenue-is-down-21-but-microsoft-has-a-reason/#2e9a00e515fd

No, I'm sorry bud, but I own YOU forever.

You own nothing MS gaming division as a whole has made MS billions and most years made big profits. This past year it's been down but that's the case for most being the new consoles are coming out this year so consumers are spending less and waiting for next gen.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/microsoft-gaming-division-made-115-billion-in-2018-33451125/

It hasn't made any damn profit, or else they would have reported it. There's no operating income coming out of there. Also, what are you trying to prove here? I just posted 2019's numbers while you're posting 2018's. Shit, the Playstation division did 21 bil that year. Xbox ain't got shit for Playstation on that front. They spent more money than they make trying to chase Sony's tail.

MS has to buy people's love while Sony gets it through talent.

Are you that much of an idiot? We know that MS hasn't made much from hardware this gen but they have millions of paid subscribers and services, software and their PC division also. Wow stop being this stupid.

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#70 I_own_u_4ever
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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@i_own_u_4ever said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:

Now I KNOW you're lying. PSN alone makes more than all of Xbox's gaming revenue combined. Playstation pulled in almost 19 billion in revenue last year. PSN made over 12 billion alone, WITH operating profit. While Xbox made 10 billion total.

https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2020/02/04/sony-psn-revenue-2019-subscription-digital/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2020/01/29/xbox-revenue-is-down-21-but-microsoft-has-a-reason/#2e9a00e515fd

No, I'm sorry bud, but I own YOU forever.

You own nothing MS gaming division as a whole has made MS billions and most years made big profits. This past year it's been down but that's the case for most being the new consoles are coming out this year so consumers are spending less and waiting for next gen.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/microsoft-gaming-division-made-115-billion-in-2018-33451125/

It hasn't made any damn profit, or else they would have reported it. There's no operating income coming out of there. Also, what are you trying to prove here? I just posted 2019's numbers while you're posting 2018's. Shit, the Playstation division did 21 bil that year. Xbox ain't got shit for Playstation on that front. They spent more money than they make trying to chase Sony's tail.

MS has to buy people's love while Sony gets it through talent.

And a ;lot of the PS profit comes from their hardware sales also. We already know that Sony sells a shit ton of systems. We also know that if not for the PS division Sony would of already gone belly up Bankrupt because the rest of Sony is mostly in the toilet.

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@i_own_u_4ever said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:
@ermacness said:

Link to your streaming claims because from the last I heard, PSNow was ahead of GP in subscribers, though I very well could be wrong now.

Actually, GP is way ahead in subs due to the fact MS gives it away like candy introducing it for a dollar. PSNow is likely ahead in revenue as they're not so desperate for headlines to pull a stunt like this. Xbox's overall revenue is STILL down despite boasting all these subs.

He fails to realize that, that terrible PSNow service has been out for several years more.

And what you fail to realize is that it really doesn't matter when you debut, as long as you make good on that debut. Now GP may have made a great impression, it's just that people see. more value (somehow) in PSNow if Ben is correct with his news. Just ask the Wii-U about success and a early debut.

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No one knows Obsidian is better than Bethesda... mainly because they aren't.. lol

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#73  Edited By WitIsWisdom
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@loe12k said:

Y

@i_own_u_4ever said:

We already know Obsidian is a beloved developer by hardcore gamers and we already know that Fallout New Vegas is considered the best Fallout game and we already know that The Outer Worlds is a great new franchise.

We also know that Obsidian due to budget constraints has not been able to be a top shelf big budget developer like Rockstar and CD Project Red. This is all about to change and Obsidian is likely going to be sitting at the podium with the big boys now.

The latest scuttle butt is that Obsidian is working on a huge new big budget fantasy RPG in the vein of games like Skyrim. Bethesda has clearly got to be a little concerned now. Everyone already knows that Obsidian >>> Bethesda but never had the budget to over take them. That has all changed MS is making it rain at Obsidian and clearly MS has big plans for Obsidian.

MS knows that if Obsidian can produce a game in the vein of a game like Skyrim that it can be a huge mega hit and shift huge amounts of market share. It's looking like this is exactly the plan. This isn't going to be a budget constrained game like The Outer Worlds. The word on the street is that Obsidian has hundreds of developers working on a new fantasy RPG mega project in the vein of a game like Skyrim. MS is pumping the money into Obsidian now to make them a MEGA developer and to sit tall with the big boys.

With Obsidian's pedigree, and with MS $$$, and Obsidian going after the Skyrim thrown this is bad news for Bethesda and Sony.

Lets be honest here if Obsidian is making a huge big budget game in the vein of a Skyrim type game with a HUGE budget and hundreds of developers I think it's safe to say that the XSX and the XSS will sell like hotcakes because gamers will want this game.

Is the XSX & XSS now a must own system, and is MS poised to take back huge chunks of market share, and the XSX be the system of choice for games this gen? Sony fanboys have to be concerned and keeping an eye on this developing story, and they must be worried that they no longer have Obsidian on PS systems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOa6xjnSYjo go to 6:44

Sony has not got many first party studios. Bloodborne and Order 1886 are games made by third party devs. MS will outpace them next year easily with owned studios. Sony studios will have nothing major for 4 years. That's why the only game Sony AAA had to show was Horizon Zero Dawn,

SONY has more games to show.

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@i_own_u_4ever: How is this alt not banned yet?

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@vfighter: He is not anymore annoying than non alts. 🤷‍♂️

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@WitIsWisdom said:

No one knows Obsidian is better than Bethesda... mainly because they aren't.. lol

Bethesda has some things to prove because Fallout 4 was only ok and 76 was well don't even need to go there we already know.

Like who wouldn't want Obsidian to take over the Fallout games again? I think we all would be ok with that.

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@i_own_u_4ever said:
@WitIsWisdom said:

No one knows Obsidian is better than Bethesda... mainly because they aren't.. lol

Bethesda has some things to prove because Fallout 4 was only ok and 76 was well don't even need to go there we already know.

Like who wouldn't want Obsidian to take over the Fallout games again? I think we all would be ok with that.

Yeah, I'm certainly not saying Bethesda hasn't had its blunders and I loved KotoR 2, but I don't think they are really comparable as of yet. Now, if Obsidian comes out swinging and releases a bomb things could easily change, but I didn't personally care for The Outer Worlds like at all... I was so hyped for that game and perhaps my expectations were set too high, but they have a lot to prove after that game in my honest opinion. I am happy for those that really liked the game however.

I am pulling for them. More high quality games in the vein of Elder Scrolls or Fallout has a lot of potential if executed correctly. I really hope they can reach the level I speak of. Competition is a good thing for everyone whether certain people want to admit it or not.

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@Pedro: “ He is not anymore annoying than non alts. 🤷‍♂️”

Of course not Pedro. He’s a lemming just like you

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@phlop_spencer said:

@Pedro: “ He is not anymore annoying than non alts. 🤷‍♂️”

Of course not Pedro. He’s a lemming just like you

You really fond of me. Not sure why I am always on your mind. 🤣

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@i_own_u_4ever said:

And a ;lot of the PS profit comes from their hardware sales also. We already know that Sony sells a shit ton of systems. We also know that if not for the PS division Sony would of already gone belly up Bankrupt because the rest of Sony is mostly in the toilet.

You're still arguing with my old posts, man shut the **** up. I don't care about what the rest of Sony does. I just know what Playstation does to Xbox, and it eats MS alive that they can't get another monopoly over a competitor they thought would be easy to bowl over. That's why they've been spending billions they don't make back the past 20 years trying to save face in the console market.

Microsoft already has everything, so this conquest they've made too personal, and it made them sloppy. MS fucked up with people as soon as they thought it was a good idea to lock people out of their games without a 24 hr online check-in, now they want to be your best friend again. **** outta here.

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Congrats and a celebration Are in order.

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#82 Bluestars
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While Sony and MS Gaming thank you for your concerns/praise regarding profit both companies make,they would like to remind you to STFU and play games.your a nobody gamer not a company employee

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#83 rzxv04
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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@i_own_u_4ever said:

Wow you may just be the biggest idiot on these boards. MS gaming division as a whole most years not only is profitable but makes more then Sony. Not hardware sales Gaming Division sales. Can you get that or should I lower this down to the Short Bus level for you?

Now I KNOW you're lying. PSN alone makes more than all of Xbox's gaming revenue combined. Playstation pulled in almost 19 billion in revenue last year. PSN made over 12 billion alone, WITH operating profit. While Xbox made 10 billion total.

https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2020/02/04/sony-psn-revenue-2019-subscription-digital/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2020/01/29/xbox-revenue-is-down-21-but-microsoft-has-a-reason/#2e9a00e515fd

No, I'm sorry bud, but I own YOU forever.

Thanks for the data. Interesting figure. Wish Xbox would do much better next round.

I think you're right, they have almost everything else setup, hardware and other strategies. Really need to invest and luck out on new first party efforts.

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#84 I_own_u_4ever
Member since 2020 • 647 Posts

@rzxv04 said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:
@i_own_u_4ever said:

Wow you may just be the biggest idiot on these boards. MS gaming division as a whole most years not only is profitable but makes more then Sony. Not hardware sales Gaming Division sales. Can you get that or should I lower this down to the Short Bus level for you?

Now I KNOW you're lying. PSN alone makes more than all of Xbox's gaming revenue combined. Playstation pulled in almost 19 billion in revenue last year. PSN made over 12 billion alone, WITH operating profit. While Xbox made 10 billion total.

https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2020/02/04/sony-psn-revenue-2019-subscription-digital/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2020/01/29/xbox-revenue-is-down-21-but-microsoft-has-a-reason/#2e9a00e515fd

No, I'm sorry bud, but I own YOU forever.

Thanks for the data. Interesting figure. Wish Xbox would do much better next round.

I think you're right, they have almost everything else setup, hardware and other strategies. Really need to invest and luck out on new first party efforts.

They have they have acquired several new studios and have lots of news games in development but it takes years to release them but next gen MS has plenty coming.