October 2015 NPD Official Thread || XB1 Won! Halo 5 #1!!

@cohmiracleman: I'm just guessing. Buying 5 million copies and only selling 1 million would be a disaster.

@lundy86_4: Thanks

Are those official or is that from one of the "insiders"

@notafanboy: Yea it would. I haven't heard anything like that at all. Heck, I'm still trying to find out how many actual copies it's sold as apparently people here are going off of some gaming forum? Some person posted in a thread and now it's apparently being taken as official? How is this a thing?

@notafanboy:That's obvious. However, he literally has no objective measurement to use the term "abysmal". If you re-read my post, I was quite clear on that.

I also didn't stipulate that it must be objective measurement for all games, as that would be asinine. Niche games won't have the same impact as the heavy-hitters. You inferred too much based on what I said.

@cohmiracleman: NPD figures are private, and it's always based on leaks. You have to purchase the information.

NeoGAF tends to have a lot of individuals from the industry who post/leak news there.

Person in the industry leaked the numbers. NPD data is expensive, as it's market analysis for developers/publishers.

Cows are so butthurt in this thread, that they are literally turning on each other.

Hilarious!

@lundy86_4: ok so nothing official. Great. Why in the world is anyone bothering talking about a potentially made up number? What if I claim to be an insider and post a number up? That's pretty crazy anybody can even think of taking it seriously.

So bottom line is we don't have a sales number for Halo 5. That's fact. Thanks for clearing it up for me.

Considering multiple NPD subscribers have backed the same number you would have to be in denial to not believe it. These are people who leak these numbers every month for years. I don't know why you are so salty over the numbers if you like the game. Go play it and stop worrying over why it bombed.

It has been rather amusing to watch lol. Breakdowns everywhere! I thought it would be boring if they were close and I was gonna troll hard but this is the best npd in a long ass time despite all of that :D

@NathanDrakeSwag: Boy, you're quick to jump to conclusions. I'm not here to convince anyone to believe anything. I thought there was concrete, official numbers based on how some users, like yourself, were posting. This is why I asked the question I did. I now have my answer, and it's ridiculous. Some people on a message board posted numbers claiming they were official and people like yourself were quick to take it as complete fact. Believe whatever makes you feel good, I just wanted clarification

You act like these people are randoms. They have been leaking NPD numbers for years. The only reason you're questioning them is because they are not the numbers you wanted to hear. I'm sorry that your precious Halo bombed.

@NathanDrakeSwag: I've read through the thread on neo gaf and I only saw one person state the number.

Its really strange that its a new account created yesterday on neo gaf

@NathanDrakeSwag: I'm acting like it's not official. Because it isn't. You're acting like it is, that's fine. You alright though? You seem like you're pretty riled up over Halo.

Cool down man, everything is alright. Do you like Halo? What do you prefer to play?

Why are people comparing halo 3 day one physical sales which had no digital sales vs halo 5 day sales minus digital sales?

People are literally claiming a 70% decline in sales since halo 3 but completely ignoring digital sales.

@roboed: not that it matters much as it's still some person posting on a video games discussion board but is that true? Is it really just one poster on a new account? Man, pretty brutal.

@roboed: there seems to be a lot of accusations going on without many facts behind them. A lot of people seem pretty bothered. I guess when Halo comes out there is as much hate and jealousy as there is reception and elation.

@cohmiracleman: Yes very true

Also got to cover up the ps4 got out sold the month it had a price drop

LMFAO

This thread is STILL Cow Butthurt alive.

I mean really, Cows could easily simply pretend Halo doesn't even exist, if it's so hazardous to them, lol!!

So physical halo didn't reach 1million? Kinda shocking even with only a handful of days tracking, considering how front loaded the series is.

Maybe the Mp will give it legs. I haven't played it myself, but I've heard good things.

On a side note was and still am skeptical of the 400million revenue sell through Vs sold through.

I hate cryptic misleading PR..

Okay bros, time to remove the sticky.

This thread has delivered. So many meltdowns from lems in here lol. LMFAO @ lems doubting NPD numbers from GAF despite the fact that that's where we have gotten our numbers from for years. So much denial and butthurt about Halo flopping.

Those digital count because it came with the HARDWARE that was sold. Digital sales account for roughly 30% according to an article I read. More so than any other Halo game ever.

Still what's your point in responding to this thread? You trying to downplay that $400M like those moronic cows and even more so that idiot El Tormented?

With Halo 5 out / around the corner only 25k more consoles ? Thats some not so nice numbers ... Lets see next month , i hope for X1s sake gap being bigger because if HALO 5 cant make it in US to push sales on another level ... MS will cry out loud the next 2 years

@roboed:

Yes we can digital sales amount to like 30% but even exagerating digital sales and saying halo 5 sold 50/50 vs retail that would mean 1.8 million unist sold halo 2 sold 2.4 million in 24 hours halo 3 sold 3 million basically in 24 hours to and halo 4 sold even more than halo 3.

So yeah even blowing up artificially digital sales still halo 2 , 3 and 4 sold more way more and some how halo 5 does $400 millions? Is obvious the number is for shipped units and not sold.

@tormentos: Still basing these numbers on one poster from neo gaf who created an account on neo gaf yesterday

In MS pr didn't they say it was the highest attach rate for an xbox one exclusive? Do we know what the last highest was? We could probably Work out rough numbers from that instead of blindly following some random person on neo gaf

@quadknight: So you want to believe someone posting on a gaming forum as fact and pass it as official, that's fine. I think it's ridiculous. If it's been that way for years, then that's even more ridiculous. Tell yourself whatever makes you feel better though. Do you even like Halo? Does it matter to you? What games do you like?

@roboed: How would MS even know how many they sold to consumers? Microsoft only sells the physical copies to retailers. Regardless of the possibility that most units are lying around in retailer stores or warehouses for years, MS has still "sold" those units to someone and made a profit off of it. In most cases, retailers never give out sell-through sales data, even to their manufacturers. That's why both SONY and MS use NPD to track sell-through #s.

MS won't know the sell-through rate until NPD results come in.

It's clear MS is comparing their amount of units shipped in their revenue figures as well as their attach rates.

Digital sales account for 30% add 30% to 935k and you get 1.2 million units Halo 3 sold 2.4 million units in 24 hours not 4 days by the way,in 4 days it most have being closer to 3 million and the 360 user base was smaller.

So yeah Halo 3 numbers crush Halo 5 ones even doubling NPD numbers Halo 5 would still fell short of Halo 3.

Oh look another dusted lemming account to defend halo,i guess the number are so bad that lemmings don't want to defend them from their normal accounts..lol

It was probably the amount in dollars that store bough from MS,there is no way they make $400 million when those sales are abysmaly lower than Halo 3 which make 177 millions and sold 2.4 million units in 24 hours not 4 days like Halo 5 numbers.

We have the 2 biggest markets for the xbox one with numbers,in UK Halo 5 did 150k vs Halo 3 which did 370k on a smaller userbase even if we pretend that equal amount of copies were sold digitaly that would make 300k and still 70k lower than Halo 3 on a bigger user base than when halo 3 came out,the same happen on US.

So even blowing the numbers in favor of Halo 5 still felt short of Halo 3.

That hardware was sold for $349 which mean the game was free and the $500 bundle came with a 1TB HDD,but i don't care if any one want to account them because it is irrelevant the sales were just to low.

935k + 30% = 1,215,500 for 4 days that is half of what Halo 3 sold in 24 hours,so Halo 5 selling digitally more than any other halo ever mean shit,when the total sales are half of what Halo 3 sold in 24 hours in fact i 4 days i am sure Halo 3 was closer to 3 million which would elevate the gap even more.

The same happen in UK it sold 150k so lest add 30%.

150k + 30% = 195k

Halo 3 sold 370k in UK on 2007 on a smaller user base.

Those $400 million were shipped to stores period not sold to consumer,Halo 3 sold 2.4 million nits in 24 hours and made 177 million there is no fu**ing way seling half or less than Halo 3 MS made more than double of those $177 millions the numbers don't add up at all.

So yeah the fact that they join hardware and anything Halo was pathetic but even more pathetic looks now because those numbers were shipped to retailers and not actual people,they saturated the market with Halo 5 games and bundles and many went unsold the numbers are there period there is no excuse you can use to justify those numbers they were shipped.

It sold 150k in UK without digital which account for 30% more,that mean 195k Halo 3 sold 370k in 24 hours.

MS also claim $400 million using hardware + software shipped to stores not sold to consumer.

The best thing you can do is downplay neogaf numbers,there is inside people there who get those numbers just like Major Nelson and many other executives from MS have accounts there.

So yeah it did 935 which included bundles,those bundles are have digital copies as well,so yeah a % of those digital sales were already accounted.

But like i say even if we double NPD numbers that would be 1.8 million Halo 3 did 2.4 million on 24 hours and made $177 millions there is no way MS made $400 millions with those abysmal sales compare to other Halo games,those numbers were a joke MS PR is a total failure and any one can see after NPD how the whole $400 million claim was a low dirty trick using shipped numbers to stores,for all we know they shipped 5 million copies and tons of bundles for all the holiday and next year.

Bullshit those same people leaked other great numbers for Halo why would they lie now.? Halo 4 sold more than 3 million copies and did 220 million how the fu** MS makes double $400 millions when it sold less units by NPD than Halo 2,3,4,and Reach did.?

If you can't read around PR is your problem,MS lie about the $400 millions and biggest launch crap,fact is they sold those units to stores not to people,and NPD sales confirm that there are poster on neogaf who know this numbers and get this data,there are developer on eno gaf,and even MS own PR people have account there including Major nelson the numbers leak at true and the poster who post them hasn't being ban,on neogaf to put false info like that will cost you the account,and most of the time the info is verify by the admit.

Look what happen to Cboat after he miss some predictions.

What really shold be ask here who are you really behind this dustes old account,have some dignity and post from your real account..lol

You sure about that? I think their PR is actually genius. It confused so many lemmings.

@notafanboy

Confusion is in them nature, PR adds to that, just look at this thread!!!:

I don't think is just the effectiveness of the PR is more that lemmings are desperate to believe halo still is relevant in the great scheme of things.

Hahaha

@tormentos: geez, more accusations thrown around without fact. You don't know who I am just as much as you don't know who the person that posted those numbers over there is. So now you're throwing around labels to someone you don't know, further, accusing me of having another account. I don't care what you want to believe, you're going to believe whatever you want.

At least now I have some facts to go off of for myself. This number being thrown around isn't fact, no matter how badly you believe it. Maybe it will be posted some day, maybe not. Why is it so important to you? Are you concerned that it didn't sell well and you won't be able to find people to play with? Do you even play halo 5? I'm more curious about that. Otherwise why would it matter to you?

@cohmiracleman: Every NPD thread is full of speculation and leaks.

The sales numbers that come out for both hardware and software are from leakers. You either choose to believe them or not.

First of all. Stop saying 30%, because you don't know how much digital sales there were. Secondly your math is COMPLETELY wrong. Seriously go back to school. If NPD figures are 935k, and they account for 70% of the sales, than you've got +1.3million in total sales. You are doing 935+0.3*935, which is taking 30% of 70%...

30% is very generous and unrealistic.

We know PS fans are more open to digital distribution, and even their numbers aren't that high.

It only reaches that high if the hard copies of the games are sold out everywhere, convincing hardcore fans to download. Seems like Halo 5 is plenty in-stock at retailers.

I'd say it's more like 5-10% for the Xbone.

@notafanboy: I get what you're saying. However, there is official reports out there that tells which console was on top and which game was on top though there is no actual number of units to talk about. That part is speculative. Which was why I posted in this thread in the first place. By the way some posters were posting it seemed as if numbers were official, and I wanted to know where they were at. It turns out they aren't and that's fine. We have facts and we have speculation. Thanks for posting back!

Are those official console numbers? You mean the XB1 only won by 18k the month Halo 5 released?

That does not bode well for the XB brand this gen.

Lol, sure the people that were complaining about Microsoft wanting to go all digital. Yeah those really are more open to it...

All digital numbers given are wrong, only Microsoft has the numbers. Other numbers have been given, 400mil in 7 days.

@AM-Gamer: Winning this month is actually quite good... They lost almost every other month, and PS4 had a pricecut... Xbox One will win November/December, and if those months go really well, they'll win 2015 (USA of course).

@FastRobby: No. They were opposed to draconian DRM policies, not digital distribution. Even looking at Amazon for last month, PS4 was consistently ahead of the Xbone. There were several weeks where multiple PS4 SKUs were ahead of the best-selling Xbone SKU.

PS fans are just more open to ordering online than Xbox fans.

@cohmiracleman: As I've said, you either believe them or you don't.

SERIOUSLY...you have to be a fool to actually care about the sales of these systems. Microsoft and Sony aren't loosing anything by any measure. Both systems will sell. Xbox One's Halo 5 and Gears releases will MOVE SYSTEMS.

More Exclusives will equal more sales for Xbox One and PS4 as well.

@FastRobby: They will get slaughtered in November against the SW: BF bundle. Winning by 18k vs your biggest game is not impressive at all. The sad thing is I actually wanted the XB brand to be more competitive. It would force Sony to do things like backwards compatibility and XB has done some positive things. But I expected a win with Halo. But by 18k? That's not good.

Actually, I hope MS gets desperate enough to remove Xbox LIVE fees. They started the BS pay2play online scheme; it's only fitting that they're the ones who end it. I think it's best for the consumer if Xbox fails.

Almost 1 million sold in 5 days isn't a flop. lol!! Sure it sold better in the past, but it doesn't mean that it still won't sell 7-8 million over it's lifetime. Halo games have always had legs and with the holidays coming it will easily sell another 2-3 million before the end of the year. I'm not going to worry about the sales. Neither should you. lol!!

"Halo games have always had legs"

Uhh, no... SONY games have legs. TLOU sold 1.3 million on day 1 and sold 7 million before the remastered version came out. It's probably at 10m now.

Halo and Gears sell the most in the first week and then fall off a cliff. A Best Buy worker at NeoGAF said Halo 5 sales became nonexistent after BO3 came out.

You are having one of the biggest meltdowns of anyone else on here. You are emotionally stressed on Halo sales. Half the times you sound like your an 11 or 12yrs old kid who got beat up and had his bike stolen. It's pretty hilarious. One million in 5 days is actually very good. Halo games would usually sell 1-1.5 million worldwide on it's launch day. How many PS4 exclusives have sold 1 million in 5 days? Everyone knows Halo games have legs and will continue to sell great over it's lifetime.

@notafanboy: you're correct, people can choose to believe them or not. That's perfectly fine. Just don't try and pass them off as official, and fact.