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[QUOTE="404-not-found"]If it weren't for Halo, we wouldn't have regenerating health, 2 weapons only, dual wielding, sticky grenades, etc.Verge_6I kinda liked how my character in games like Medal of Honor: Allied Assault could carry a whole armory with him. I mean, literally, he could carry a Springfield, a BAR, a Thompson SMG, 8 grenades, a bazooka, and a 1911 Colt ALL at the same time. It was hilarious.
being able to carry so many weapons same time is lame, they did the same in resistance 1 and it was horrible, r2 did it much better. also i dont see how dual wielding and sticky grenades is a bad thing. also regenerating health is good for some games but it shouldnt be in every game
I see many fans on here trying to compare Killzone to Halo and vice versa. This is my feelings on some areas of the games and almost every area Halo is just plain and simple the better game.I am only to the part where I just beat the Helicopter boss in Killzone 2 but at this point I do not think I can play the single player part anymore.
(Well lets start off with game scores)-Halo wins here. Halo scored better here and on Gamerankings.
(The look of the game)--Graphics-Killzone it is clear Killzone looks graphicly better.
(Art style)-Halo wins and should be clear to anyone with eyes. Halo has a certain look. They make sure to have areas to have the Halo feel. Killzone though is just factories basicly the whole game and the look never changes.
(This leads me to level areas)- Halo wins hands down. I find it crazy that Gears was made fun of its dark look to the point of called Gears of Gray and it still was far more varied then Killzone.Every single area of Killzone looks the same. Halo has areas that have a clear alien feel or for example forest feels but killzone always feels the same.
(Story)- Halo wins. It is clear what the story is in Halo games. In Killzone 2 there is not a bad story but no story at all. Like I said in another post I dare anyone that has not played KZ1 or read the KZ website to even know why they are invading the planet! I am not saying a FPS game has to have a story on the level of a Tale of two cities but Killzone 2 does not even let you know anything at all.
(The main person..who you play)-Master Chief is leaps and bounds ahead of Sev.As you play Killzone you will feel like some basic soldier just being told what to do. That is all you are also just some soldier. Master Chief they have always made out to be a super soldier. His name is Spartan John 117. Sev looks like a big dork with with a bad hair cut. It is just impossible that Sev being who he is will ever be a game icon like Master chief is.
To further go on with Sev you are being told what to do to the point it is beyond annoying.For example I am look around a couiple rooms I just cleared and Garza will say over and over and over again the same thing for me to do. I never felt with Killzone I myself can change the war but was just the average grunt given orders and then I fill them out. As Master Chief they make sure you feel like you are a super soldier.
(weapons)- Halo wins again. So many guns in Killzone 2 feel so very human and considering you are on a alien world that is crap. In Halo there is so many alien type weapons. Bungie understand you are fighting aliens and they will notbe using the same type of guns with bullets and all. I will say the flamethrower in KZ2 is pretty cool but not very pratical most times.
(buddies)- Halo wins. Cortana has far more impact then Rico or Garza ever could for example they just make a bunch of bad jokes and most times come off as jerks.
(enimes)- Halo wins. I mean really do I even need to explain? Halo has so many different looking bad guys from brutes, elites, a few different flood models, and so on. Killzone 2 is just the same guy over and over and over. In Killzone 2 it is basicly just a different weapon.
(music)- Halo has some so win by defult. Kinda like story.
I could go on but it is clear Killzone does not hold a candle to Halo. There is so many other areas I could go into. Killzone is SO VERY overrated and only talked about because it is a exclusive. I wish I never fell into the hype and bought it but sadly I did.
I would like to hear other comparisons also. In what ways do you think KZ2 is better then Halo or vice versa.
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rybe1025
Well, IMO, you like Halo so much, that you can't appreciate the great things that KZ2 does...
Every single area of Killzone looks the same?? WTF? what game have you been playing? plz show me your copy of the game, because the KZ2 that i played change dramatically from area to area, and not only the infrastructure, but the color palette and the lighting tone.
Art style? well this is a matter of personal preference, again, but you cannot deny that the KZ2 universe has a great art style, from the different costumes of the helghast soldiers, to the weird looking ISA ships, the electric defense weapons, Helghan is wonderfully done. Halo is great fo this too, its has another tone to it. Colorful little aliens attacking with laser pistols, don't known, its not my definition of mature, maybe that's because i don't dig halo that much, the brutes are great though.
Killzone has a story, the problems is, you're never informed what is this about, more than, hey some weird mutated weirdos are invading our world, lets kick their ****es. Its a narration problem.
The main character, well there not much for competition here, Master Chief vs some random sargent. It does not help the fact that KZ and KZ2 has different main characters either.
Weapons, this another personal choice, IMO, in a much more realistic aproach, guns need bullets. And i loved what Guerrilla have done with the weapons in the game, is more realistic, is more visceral, its more mature.
"So many guns in Killzone 2 feel so very human and considering you are on a alien world that is crap" Who has says anything about ALIENS, the helghast are mutated humans, helghan is a human world.
Buddies, mmm personal preference, and an ARTISTIC DIRECTION CHOICE, some computer AI vs 3 guys that can bleed (And curse) right besides you, what have more impact in a bloody battlefield? Rico is annoying thought.
Enemies. "Killzone 2 is just the same guy over and over and over". Seriously, are you sure you were playing the FULL game?
Music, personal preference again, i don't think i would put neither of the OST in my winamp player. Also, the music dynamics changing with the mood of the game, is nothing sort of new, and both Halo and KZ2 do it right, bu bu but, the 7.1 mix in KZ2 kicks serious **** with the right Home theater.
So you see, opinions are like **** holes, everybody's got one.
[QUOTE="404-not-found"](...)dual wielding, sticky grenades(...)Kane04get your facts XBot If you're going to refute someone's claim, it's best to do so with actual refutation instead of insults (particularly insults that land you a 7 day ban). This has been another installment of Verge_6's Debate 101 tips.
If it weren't for Halo, we wouldn't have regenerating health, 2 weapons only, dual wielding, sticky grenades, etc.404-not-foundRegenerating health is the biggest BS I have ever seen in a videogame. What's so special about dual wielding? Didn't Unreal Tournament have it before Halo?
Regenerating health is the biggest BS I have ever seen in a videogame. What's so special about dual wielding? Didn't Unreal Tournament have it before Halo? And Perfect Dark. And Goldeneye. And probably others.[QUOTE="404-not-found"]If it weren't for Halo, we wouldn't have regenerating health, 2 weapons only, dual wielding, sticky grenades, etc.Aljosa23
[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Regenerating health is the biggest BS I have ever seen in a videogame. What's so special about dual wielding? Didn't Unreal Tournament have it before Halo? And Perfect Dark. And Goldeneye. And probably others. THIS ladies and gents, is a proper refutation. It points out why the post is wrong, and it doesn't get you suspended for a week.[QUOTE="404-not-found"]If it weren't for Halo, we wouldn't have regenerating health, 2 weapons only, dual wielding, sticky grenades, etc.supercubedude64
And Perfect Dark. And Goldeneye. And probably others. THIS ladies and gents, is a proper refutation. It points out why the post is wrong, and it doesn't get you suspended for a week.I love you Verge. :oops:[QUOTE="supercubedude64"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Regenerating health is the biggest BS I have ever seen in a videogame. What's so special about dual wielding? Didn't Unreal Tournament have it before Halo?
Verge_6
i stop reading here, you're a joke, Halo is the most overrated piece of junk i ever seen, the only reason the press shove it on our throats is cuz MS needed a game to sell the original xbox, it was halo, the ms "sell that to the press" and believe me they don't want to get on the bad side of the press and the story is that... halo was a joke from the 1st one, i only played the campaign on halo 2, nothing there, story was a 0 i'm not saying i didn't get it, i'm saying it wasn't there, the levels were nonsense you just walk the only was you could and thats it... ms promise a game with halo 3 bungie didn't even bother to make...I see many fans on here trying to compare Killzone to Halo and vice versa. This is my feelings on some areas of the games and almost every area Halo is just plain and simple the better game.I am only to the part where I just beat the Helicopter boss in Killzone 2 but at this point I do not think I can play the single player part anymore.
(Well lets start off with game scores)-Halo wins here. Halo scored better here and on Gamerankings.
(The look of the game)--Graphics-Killzone it is clear Killzone looks graphicly better.
(Art style)-Halo wins and should be clear to anyone with eyes. Halo has a certain look. They make sure to have areas to have the Halo feel.rybe1025
i stop reading here, you're a joke, Halo is the most overrated piece of junk i ever seen, the only reason the press shove it on our throats is cuz MS needed a game to sell the original xbox, it was halo, the ms "sell that to the press" and believe me they don't want to get on the bad side of the press and the story is that... halo was a joke from the 1st one, i only played the campaign on halo 2, nothing there, story was a 0 i'm not saying i didn't get it, i'm saying it wasn't there, the levels were nonsense you just walk the only was you could and thats it... ms promise a game with halo 3 bungie didn't even bother to make... Wow, this is a throwback to the old days of SW...how nostalgic. :shock:[QUOTE="rybe1025"]
I see many fans on here trying to compare Killzone to Halo and vice versa. This is my feelings on some areas of the games and almost every area Halo is just plain and simple the better game.I am only to the part where I just beat the Helicopter boss in Killzone 2 but at this point I do not think I can play the single player part anymore.
(Well lets start off with game scores)-Halo wins here. Halo scored better here and on Gamerankings.
(The look of the game)--Graphics-Killzone it is clear Killzone looks graphicly better.
(Art style)-Halo wins and should be clear to anyone with eyes. Halo has a certain look. They make sure to have areas to have the Halo feel.Kane04
If he's a "joke" for saying Halo's a better game...what does that make you, who is saying that it's "total junk"? In fact, you also seem to have given Gears of War a 1.0 rating. In life, the polar opposite ends of spectrums tend to fit the same adjective. If he's a joke for thinking Halo's the best, then I don't think it needs to be said what you come off as, being on the extreme opposite end.
i stop reading here, you're a joke, Halo is the most overrated piece of junk i ever seen, the only reason the press shove it on our throats is cuz MS needed a game to sell the original xbox, it was halo, the ms "sell that to the press" and believe me they don't want to get on the bad side of the press and the story is that... halo was a joke from the 1st one, i only played the campaign on halo 2, nothing there, story was a 0 i'm not saying i didn't get it, i'm saying it wasn't there, the levels were nonsense you just walk the only was you could and thats it... ms promise a game with halo 3 bungie didn't even bother to make...[QUOTE="rybe1025"]
I see many fans on here trying to compare Killzone to Halo and vice versa. This is my feelings on some areas of the games and almost every area Halo is just plain and simple the better game.I am only to the part where I just beat the Helicopter boss in Killzone 2 but at this point I do not think I can play the single player part anymore.
(Well lets start off with game scores)-Halo wins here. Halo scored better here and on Gamerankings.
(The look of the game)--Graphics-Killzone it is clear Killzone looks graphicly better.
(Art style)-Halo wins and should be clear to anyone with eyes. Halo has a certain look. They make sure to have areas to have the Halo feel.Kane04
teh conspiriez MS is gonna get you if you dont like its game. Seriously is everyone on System wars a raving lunatic who thinks big brother is out to get em?
THIS ladies and gents, is a proper refutation. It points out why the post is wrong, and it doesn't get you suspended for a week.I love you Verge. :oops: It's official; Verge is lovable when he's feeling snarky. :D[QUOTE="Verge_6"]
[QUOTE="supercubedude64"] And Perfect Dark. And Goldeneye. And probably others.Aljosa23
are you a journalist? i guess not, i can explain later how this things work, pretty much if you don't dance to the music music they're playing now, you're not invited later on...teh conspiriez MS is gonna get you if you dont like its game. Seriously is everyone on System wars a raving lunatic who thinks big brother is out to get em?
Fizzman
[QUOTE="Fizzman"]are you a journalist? i guess not, i can explain later how this things work, pretty much if you don't dance to the music music they're playing now, you're not invited later on...teh conspiriez MS is gonna get you if you dont like its game. Seriously is everyone on System wars a raving lunatic who thinks big brother is out to get em?
Kane04
yeah big MS is gonna not invite you to its product release conferences so they dont get more exposure because you didnt like its videogame.
alo is a twitch shooter, KZ2 is a realy slow paced more realistic shooter. they're completely different genres imo. if you love halo and that sstyle of play, then chances are you wont be able to get in to killzones style.
enygma500
there is absolutely nothing realistic about KZ2. Its in the same league as Halo in terms of fiction.
both are absolutely dominated by Half-life 2.I see many fans on here trying to compare Killzone to Halo and vice versa. This is my feelings on some areas of the games and almost every area Halo is just plain and simple the better game.I am only to the part where I just beat the Helicopter boss in Killzone 2 but at this point I do not think I can play the single player part anymore.
(Well lets start off with game scores)-Halo wins here. Halo scored better here and on Gamerankings.
(The look of the game)--Graphics-Killzone it is clear Killzone looks graphicly better.
(Art style)-Halo wins and should be clear to anyone with eyes. Halo has a certain look. They make sure to have areas to have the Halo feel. Killzone though is just factories basicly the whole game and the look never changes.
(This leads me to level areas)- Halo wins hands down. I find it crazy that Gears was made fun of its dark look to the point of called Gears of Gray and it still was far more varied then Killzone.Every single area of Killzone looks the same. Halo has areas that have a clear alien feel or for example forest feels but killzone always feels the same.
(Story)- Halo wins. It is clear what the story is in Halo games. In Killzone 2 there is not a bad story but no story at all. Like I said in another post I dare anyone that has not played KZ1 or read the KZ website to even know why they are invading the planet! I am not saying a FPS game has to have a story on the level of a Tale of two cities but Killzone 2 does not even let you know anything at all.
(The main person..who you play)-Master Chief is leaps and bounds ahead of Sev.As you play Killzone you will feel like some basic soldier just being told what to do. That is all you are also just some soldier. Master Chief they have always made out to be a super soldier. His name is Spartan John 117. Sev looks like a big dork with with a bad hair cut. It is just impossible that Sev being who he is will ever be a game icon like Master chief is.
To further go on with Sev you are being told what to do to the point it is beyond annoying.For example I am look around a couiple rooms I just cleared and Garza will say over and over and over again the same thing for me to do. I never felt with Killzone I myself can change the war but was just the average grunt given orders and then I fill them out. As Master Chief they make sure you feel like you are a super soldier.
(weapons)- Halo wins again. So many guns in Killzone 2 feel so very human and considering you are on a alien world that is crap. In Halo there is so many alien type weapons. Bungie understand you are fighting aliens and they will notbe using the same type of guns with bullets and all. I will say the flamethrower in KZ2 is pretty cool but not very pratical most times.
(buddies)- Halo wins. Cortana has far more impact then Rico or Garza ever could for example they just make a bunch of bad jokes and most times come off as jerks.
(enimes)- Halo wins. I mean really do I even need to explain? Halo has so many different looking bad guys from brutes, elites, a few different flood models, and so on. Killzone 2 is just the same guy over and over and over. In Killzone 2 it is basicly just a different weapon.
(music)- Halo has some so win by defult. Kinda like story.
I could go on but it is clear Killzone does not hold a candle to Halo. There is so many other areas I could go into. Killzone is SO VERY overrated and only talked about because it is a exclusive. I wish I never fell into the hype and bought it but sadly I did.
I would like to hear other comparisons also. In what ways do you think KZ2 is better then Halo or vice versa.
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rybe1025
] both are absolutely dominated by Half-life 2.w0lfbreederI don't care for either but No. Half-Life 2 is a corridor shooter with dumb AI and a bland main character.
How are you going to compare it to mainstream juggernauts like Halo and KZ2.
[QUOTE="404-not-found"]If it weren't for Halo, we wouldn't have regenerating health, 2 weapons only, dual wielding, sticky grenades, etc.thefsmlol
all done before except sticky grenades(which was probably done in some mod or a game i cant remember) which isn't even good
its real stupid to think that no one else could have possibly thought of these if halo were never made
Quake 2 multiplayer had sticky grenades
[QUOTE="enygma500"]
alo is a twitch shooter, KZ2 is a realy slow paced more realistic shooter. they're completely different genres imo. if you love halo and that sstyle of play, then chances are you wont be able to get in to killzones style.
Fizzman
there is absolutely nothing realistic about KZ2. Its in the same league as Halo in terms of fiction.
well the guns do have a more realistic recoil etc than Halo
For me personally....I've owned Halo 3 since Xmas 2007, I've owned Killzone 2 since launch day Feb 27th 2009. The only one i've finished: Killzone 2. That says something for me personally. I just cant bring myself to finish the Halo 3 campaign. It's too lackluster.
I don't care for either but No. Half-Life 2 is a corridor shooter with dumb AI and a bland main character.[QUOTE="w0lfbreeder"]] both are absolutely dominated by Half-life 2.Aljosa23
How are you going to compare it to mainstream juggernauts like Halo and KZ2.
The vehicle sections in HL2 ensure that I will never replay the game again. Truly abysmal. Which is a shame because the rest of the game is stellar.[QUOTE="SolidTy"]
KZ2 excels in the MP, having Turrets at the spawn area prevents spawn killers, something HALO encourages.
Considering Halo 3 has random respawn locations I'm not sure how it's encouraged :3
nope, i've been spawn killed more times on halo than any other game, plus you can choose to spawn with a squad mate if you wishone big thing that Halo 3has over KZ2 that nobody even mentions is online split screen its great feature to have when you got a friend over
Lol that was completely full to the brim with fanboy biases and hate. As soon as I saw it was you i knew youd make halo win.
For example, art style is completely subjective. I love Killzone 2's art style. Its gritty, sci fi, and yet believabkle as you dont really use completely wacky weapons.
And i think the helghast are brilliant, best enemies Ive seen for a long time...
Brilliant in what way? If you mean design wise, they are basically carbon copies of the characters in the 1987 movie "The Red Spectacles"Lol that was completely full to the brim with fanboy biases and hate. As soon as I saw it was you i knew youd make halo win.
For example, art style is completely subjective. I love Killzone 2's art style. Its gritty, sci fi, and yet believabkle as you dont really use completely wacky weapons.
And i think the helghast are brilliant, best enemies Ive seen for a long time...
NinjaMunkey01
[QUOTE="treedoor"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]
KZ2 excels in the MP, having Turrets at the spawn area prevents spawn killers, something HALO encourages.
hoosier7
Considering Halo 3 has random respawn locations I'm not sure how it's encouraged :3
nope, i've been spawn killed more times on halo than any other game, plus you can choose to spawn with a squad mate if you wishOh, you mean someone happened to be looking at a certain part of the map that you happened to spawn on randomly? Yah, hardly encouraged. It's not spawn camping, it's just bad luck.
You do realise most of what you're saying is opinionated you might as well tell me what food taste better to me.Wolfang07
This guy speaks the truth. No game is better than another. It just may appeal more to you.There is no scale which can accurately display the quality of a game statistically so it's impossible to say one game is truly better than another.
Although I disagree with the TC, he's entitled to his biased opinion.
[QUOTE="hoosier7"][QUOTE="treedoor"]
Considering Halo 3 has random respawn locations I'm not sure how it's encouraged :3
nope, i've been spawn killed more times on halo than any other game, plus you can choose to spawn with a squad mate if you wishOh, you mean someone happened to be looking at a certain part of the map that you happened to spawn on randomly? Yah, hardly encouraged. It's not spawn camping, it's just bad luck.
what about in open play, step through a teleporter and bam, assasinated step on a lift bam, i've been sniped[QUOTE="johnnyblazed88"]
one big thing that Halo 3has over KZ2 that nobody even mentions is online split screen its great feature to have when you got a friend over
Uptown
I think split screen is the most overrated feature in FPS games. In fact I think its down right crap.
i take it you dont play games with friends at your house
[QUOTE="Uptown"]
[QUOTE="johnnyblazed88"]
one big thing that Halo 3has over KZ2 that nobody even mentions is online split screen its great feature to have when you got a friend over
johnnyblazed88
I think split screen is the most overrated feature in FPS games. In fact I think its down right crap.
i take it you dont play games with friends at your house
No I do, but its not fps games. I've never liked split screen FPS games...too much compromised.
[QUOTE="Uptown"]
[QUOTE="johnnyblazed88"]
one big thing that Halo 3has over KZ2 that nobody even mentions is online split screen its great feature to have when you got a friend over
I think split screen is the most overrated feature in FPS games. In fact I think its down right crap.
i take it you dont play games with friends at your house
to be honest i'd prefer to do better things, go to the cinema, play some sport or just take a trip some where, it might be hard for you to understand but people have lives outside their games consoles[QUOTE="treedoor"][QUOTE="hoosier7"] nope, i've been spawn killed more times on halo than any other game, plus you can choose to spawn with a squad mate if you wishhoosier7
Oh, you mean someone happened to be looking at a certain part of the map that you happened to spawn on randomly? Yah, hardly encouraged. It's not spawn camping, it's just bad luck.
what about in open play, step through a teleporter and bam, assasinated step on a lift bam, i've been snipedThat is TOTALLY spawn camping amirite? And that sort of play doesn't happen in any other game, but halo amirite?
[QUOTE="johnnyblazed88"][QUOTE="Uptown"]
I think split screen is the most overrated feature in FPS games. In fact I think its down right crap.
hoosier7
i take it you dont play games with friends at your house
to be honest i'd prefer to do better things, go to the cinema, play some sport or just take a trip some where, it might be hard for you to understand but people have lives outside their games consolesoh yea i dont understand that lol
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