Ok.. MGS4 Isnt a System Seller, but Ninja Gaiden is?!

If MGS4 wasn't a system seller then it would not have constant rumours surrounding it which are created by fan-boys.

MGS4 is the most anticipated game for PS3 and the most anticipated exclusive of 08. Now NG2 is a great game but like the previous NG games it will not be a system seller considering the previous NG games failed to sell ove a million. Also consider the fact that the highest selling games on the 360 are mostly all shooters.

Swift_Boss_A

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=&console=X360&publisher=&sort=Total

29 million sellers. Only 11 of them are shooters.

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"][QUOTE="Yellow_Rose"]

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=metal+gear+solid&console=PS2&publisher=&sort=Total

Let's assume these numbers are true.

No Sony fanboy has yet to be able to explain why 1.5 million people who bought MGS2 said "no thanks" to MGS3.

Yellow_Rose

Simple.

MGS3 came out late in the PS2's life cycle, and therefore was no longer a graphical showcase for the system. The debut footage of MGS3 garnered nowhere near the amount of hype that MGS1, MGS2, and MGS4's debuts garnered.

Furthermore, MGS3 had archaic and complex control design, which turned off a lot of potential consumers (the same way NG's difficulty turned off potential buyers).

MGS4 remedies these two issues by: 1) being a graphical showcase for the PS3; and 2) making the control scheme more user-friendly for a broader audience.

So what it sounds like you're saying is that people hated MGS2 so much, that they wouldn't give MGS3 a chance, right?

Because the only way your argument has validity is if GTA:VC didn't sell better than GTA3, and GTA:SA didn't sell better than VC.

Needless to say they weren't graphical showcases.

No, that's not what I said at all. MGS3's controls were more complex than those of MGS2, and by the time it released, the control scheme was outdated compared to MGS2's time (read Greg Kasavin's review of the game for reference).

Furthermore, people buy games for different reasons. The attraction factor of GTA is different than the attraction factor of Metal Gear Solid. People buy Call of Duty 4 for different reasons than they buy Super Mario Galaxy. You can't just compare two franchises and assume the causation of purchase is the same.

It's common knowledge that MGS has been a graphical showcase for Playstation platforms dating back to the original Playstation. That's one of the main draws of the series. Take that element away, and some segment of the population is going to lose interest.

MGS4 is one of the most highly anticipated games in the industry--there's no stepping around that fact. It's also reiterated by veteran journalists like Geoff Keighley and analysts like Michael Pachter. The suggestion that the franchise is "losing steam" is disconnected from mainstream predictions, and I would recommend that anyone who makes that claim should read up more on the industry.

[QUOTE="vashkey"]

MGS USE to be a system seller... Some how after MGS2, the series lost steam(sales wise). It's still a popular game series and I'm sure there are plenty of people who still buy systems for MGS. But none of the MGS games have gotten' near the power MGS2 and 1 did. 2 sold over 7 mill. 3 only sold over 3 mill. And I'm sure most of those 3 mill already had MGS2. Did you see sales go up on the PSP when MGS PO came out? Did sales go up on Gamecubes when the Twin Snakes came out?

Now Im not saying MGS is bad(its among my three favorite game series actually), but the series has lost steam. And the fact that 4 will be a PS3 exclusive isn't helping it. Im sure it'll sell a decent amount, but not enough to call it an actual system seller. And I can garentee you it's not going to sell th 1 mill on day one that Konami needs it to.

But as for the Ninja Gaiden argument, your right about that. Ninja Gaiden is not a system seller. Maybe in Japan it helped, but internationally, it really makes no difference. It sells well, but it has made no impact on the X-box other than being a good, well selling game. But MGS stomps it sales wise.

fuzzysquash

The series lost its steam?

By selling 4 million copies of MGS3 and by getting 14 million hits on the MGS4 page on gametrailers?

which is less than it's predecors(I don't care about gametrailors... so yeah, what ever). Then look at MGS POP and MGS TTS.

No, that's not what I said at all. MGS3's controls were more complex than those of MGS2, and by the time it released, the control scheme was outdated compared to MGS2's time (read Greg Kasavin's review of the game for reference).

Furthermore, people buy games for different reasons. The attraction factor of GTA is different than the attraction factor of Metal Gear Solid. People buy Call of Duty 4 for different reasons than they buy Super Mario Galaxy. You can't just compare two franchises and assume the causation of purchase is the same.

It's common knowledge that MGS has been a graphical showcase for Playstation platforms dating back to the original Playstation. That's one of the main draws of the series. Take that element away, and some segment of the population is going to lose interest.

MGS4 is one of the most highly anticipated games in the industry--there's no stepping around that fact. It's also reiterated by veteran journalists like Geoff Keighley and analysts like Michael Pachter. The suggestion that the franchise is "losing steam" is disconnected from mainstream predictions, and I would recommend that anyone who makes that claim should read up more on the industry.

fuzzysquash

Actually there is one resounding reason why people buy games. Because they're FUN.

It doesn't matter how awesome a game may look, if a game is not fun chances are people won't buy it.

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/itemsearch.asp

MGS3 rated just as high as MGS2. Evidently the more complex controls didn't keep it from being fun.

That's why your argument is flawed.

You're right Chris, MGS4 is more of a system seller than Ninja Gaiden. I never even heard of it until I tried the demo for Sigma. And even after the demo, I thought it was crap.AIH_PSP

That shows how much you know:roll:

fact is i dont really think either of thses are system sellers. im gonna get a ps3 for mgs 4 but real casuals dont have a clue what ninja gaiden or mgs is. and i dont think either will sell all that well espically mgs 4 i just dont see enough people picking up ps3's for that game. but hey i could be wrong.Blackfriend8

You can bet your a** that Sony is gonna try and make sure they know the name ;)

MGS4 will probably not sell like Gears of War of Halo 3 did.

But the undoubtful truth is that MGS4 WILL moves Ps3's into households. Sadly the same cant be said about Ninja Gaiden in the U.S (more like in Japan).

[QUOTE="fuzzysquash"]

No, that's not what I said at all. MGS3's controls were more complex than those of MGS2, and by the time it released, the control scheme was outdated compared to MGS2's time (read Greg Kasavin's review of the game for reference).

Furthermore, people buy games for different reasons. The attraction factor of GTA is different than the attraction factor of Metal Gear Solid. People buy Call of Duty 4 for different reasons than they buy Super Mario Galaxy. You can't just compare two franchises and assume the causation of purchase is the same.

It's common knowledge that MGS has been a graphical showcase for Playstation platforms dating back to the original Playstation. That's one of the main draws of the series. Take that element away, and some segment of the population is going to lose interest.

MGS4 is one of the most highly anticipated games in the industry--there's no stepping around that fact. It's also reiterated by veteran journalists like Geoff Keighley and analysts like Michael Pachter. The suggestion that the franchise is "losing steam" is disconnected from mainstream predictions, and I would recommend that anyone who makes that claim should read up more on the industry.

Yellow_Rose

Actually there is one resounding reason why people buy games. Because they're FUN.

It doesn't matter how awesome a game may look, if a game is not fun chances are people won't buy it.

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/itemsearch.asp

MGS3 rated just as high as MGS2. Evidently the more complex controls didn't keep it from being fun.

That's why your argument is flawed.

"Fun" is a necessary, but not sufficient condition for the success of an MGS game.

Okami was rated very highly, and therefore according to your book it was very fun. However, the game sold poorly. Red Steel, however, was rated poorly, and therefore according to your logic it was not fun. However, the game sold very well. I've got numerous other such examples.

There are many factors for why people purchase games, and you're trying to isolate one independent variable to explain all purchasing decisions. Evidently you have a flawed sense of causation.

Ive been noticing something on here a lot lately. A lot of people are saying that MGS4 will not move consoles and will not sell well and MGS was never a system seller but yet those same people are hyping Ninja Gaiden 2 as the second coming and claming that Ninja Gaiden 2 will move systems.. Ummm yea, that makes perfect sense. Please explain something to me.. If MGS4 is not a system seller then how is Ninja Gaiden 2.. MGS4 will sell more copies on its first day then Ninja Gaiden 2 will in the first month! Quote me on it.. If MGS4 is not a system seller and doesnt appeal to casuals, what does that make Ninja Gaiden 2?! Ninja Gaiden has NEVER been a system seller and I bet anything that casuals know more about MGS4 then they do about Ninja Gaiden 2..

In a way MGS is a household name for video games. Like Halo or Grand Theft Auto, MGS is also a househould name for video games and it will move a lot of consoles! Ninja Gaiden 2 might sell ok to those that own a 360 but if your expecting people that dont own a 360 already to buy a 360 for ninja gaiden 2... Well you have another thing coming

ChristopherM80

i agree with u my friend