Ok... So we know MS won, but who lost?

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#151 espoac
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Other than the fact that the 360 is now getting FFXIII in a year and a half...MS basically announced nothing. At least Sony announced some new IPs for us hardcore gamers. And Nintendo well.. :lol: ...you know
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#152 CStheGreat
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Im sure Im gonna get called fanboy for saying MS won, but lets be real, they did.colmusterd28



No, they didn't win. Yes, Microsoft stole a key exclusive. However, the problem is that the game isn't coming out for at least another year (if not 2010). I think I speak for everyone when I say Sony's upcoming lineup is the most robust of the three companies. Microsoft has no chance to compete with Sony from now until FFXIII comes out.

$399 80Gb PS3 > $350 60Gb 360.

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#153 Adonymous
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MS Conference = Sony conference (both had new stuff, big surprises, etc.)>>>>XInfinity>>>> Nintendo Conference.
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#154 ParadiddleFill
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[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

Im sure Im gonna get called fanboy for saying MS won, but lets be real, they did.CStheGreat



No, they didn't win. Yes, Microsoft stole a key exclusive. However, the problem is that the game isn't coming out for at least another year (if not 2010). I think I speak for everyone when I say Sony's upcoming lineup is the most robust of the three companies. Microsoft has no chance to compete with Sony from now until FFXIII comes out.

$399 80Gb PS3 > $350 60Gb 360.

but the new games sony announced for the ps3 which were not many have slimchances of coming out this year

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#155 nervmeister
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Im Microsoft has no chance to compete with Sony from now until FFXIII comes out.

CStheGreat
What about the 360's 08 lineup of exclusive RPGs?
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#156 Delsage
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[QUOTE="colmusterd28"]

Im sure Im gonna get called fanboy for saying MS won, but lets be real, they did.CStheGreat



No, they didn't win. Yes, Microsoft stole a key exclusive. However, the problem is that the game isn't coming out for at least another year (if not 2010). I think I speak for everyone when I say Sony's upcoming lineup is the most robust of the three companies. Microsoft has no chance to compete with Sony from now until FFXIII comes out.

$399 80Gb PS3 > $350 60Gb 360.

It's also forgotten that FFXIII is still exclusive to the PS3 in Japan which is where Xbox is very much dead in sales.

But eh, Square should have SO4 comming to the PS3 now.

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#157 ParadiddleFill
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Other than the fact that the 360 is now getting FFXIII in a year and a half...MS basically announced nothing. At least Sony announced some new IPs for us hardcore gamers. And Nintendo well.. :lol: ...you knowespoac

one new ip that you wont be playing anytime soon

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#158 chester706
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MS did indeed win. I am going to have to say the Wii Epically failed on all proportions. I couldnt even finish watching the conference it was so bad. I am sorry I even bought that piece of **** called a game console. Sony came in second. Their conference was OK nothing special but OK.
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#159 cody3232
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IMO MS didn't win cause they pretty much had one huge announcement that was it, While sony had a lot of decent announcements. To me it work the same way it does with the games Yeah sony got mgs4 but that it, if that made any sense at all.
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#160 VD_Demon-101
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What MS did :)

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#161 ice144
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[QUOTE="CStheGreat"]

Im Microsoft has no chance to compete with Sony from now until FFXIII comes out.

nervmeister

What about the 360's 08 lineup of exclusive RPGs?

You mean Infinite Undiscovery? That's just one game, which you could easily compare to the ps3's White Knight story.

SO4 and last remnant are both going to the ps3...

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#162 VirtuaCast
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I fail to see how Sony showing more content means victory? They showed PS2 games for god sakes, more isn't better. The Gears gameplay presentation triumphed any thing Sony showed. MS mocked Sony with FF bomshell and Sony had no response no counter attack, they even had to change their keynotes. Plus the mere fact that MS and SE kept the FF bombshell secret under-wraps is something in it's self. One of the biggest suprise News of E3 history. when people look back on 08 E3 they will think FF on 360. Not omg more ps2 games or PSN movies that 360 had for years or some Gow 7 sec movie. MS won with Sony in second.
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#163 ParadiddleFill
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[QUOTE="nervmeister"][QUOTE="CStheGreat"]

Im Microsoft has no chance to compete with Sony from now until FFXIII comes out.

ice144

What about the 360's 08 lineup of exclusive RPGs?

You mean Infinite Undiscovery? That's just one game, which you could easily compare to the ps3's White Knight story.

SO4 and last remnant are both going to the ps3...

link for SO4?

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#164 lando423
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I own all three consoles and i will tell you the order in which i felt they placed.

1. Microsoft: why Microsoft appealed to the hardcore and casual gamer quite effectivly. What also helped them is that microsoft showed all real time footege with games like RE5 Fable and Gears while this sounds like no big deal it shows that microsoft has confidence in there game lineup and they know its going to do well sony didnt show me alot of real time footage which was dissapointing to me. fable was introduced poorly and they didnt show it very well but i still want that game really bad. microsoft also changed there interface one of the things i originaly hated about the system this seems less obtrusive and more userfreindly. lastly they got a huge victory over sony with Final Fantesy. this is a Huge loss to sony because this was one of there few key exclusives needed to acheive market dominance. sony should of done every thing they could have to prevent microsoft from taking it. Xbox made it very clear that they were doing well and one of the ceos said that this generation we will sell more 360's than ps3's a big powerfull statment that will make share holders sleep well tonight.

2. Sony they did there job for the most part as them being the last show of the three i expected them to have a huge suprise to keep my hope in the ps3. there wasnt this suprise MAG sounded cool but it didnt really hype me at all and as a god of war huge fan i wasnt suprised i knew this was going to happen. (I meen seriusly the second one ends in a cliff hanger). Movie service ok kool now my ps3 can do every thing on the surface of the earth except play games. they brought up Killzone 2 so breif even though i know they did show it in extended coverage of E3 but i felt like they realised it might not meet the hype. thats probobly just my parionia. resistance 2 looked cool but it kind of looked like it sufferd from bad lighting issues but i know im going to buy it. they brought up ps2 for quite a while time i personaly thought wsnt well spent. sure the system has sold over 100 million but i really think ps3 needs the time right now cause its strugeling. little big planet looks cool i actualy want to buy it which is weird cause im not a fan of that genre. that DC mmo I think is kindof depresing that this is what sony has us looking forward too+ plus i heard that its marvel counter part was canceld which could meen that the online city of super heroes DC style Could have some issues to work with. overall i was dissapointed at the end i was like ok theres more right. if i was an investor in sony this was totaly innafective they now sony has a put huge money into this product and they didnt say anything convincing correct me if im wrong about beating Xbox in sales like they were at the last E3.

3. nintendo while it might of seemed kind of bised towawrds ps3 im just dissapointed ps3 was the first of the 3 consoles i had bought. Nintendo had been so bad but it met my expectations. as i thought nintendo is making ++++cash and has absoulutly now inscentive besides ++cash to make games. they didnt have alot for the show no big 1st party title like a mario or zelda just animal crossing. the music game dosnt look so awsom it could be tho and it dosnt take control of the new wrist device from what i Hear which makes the drums kind of a flawed desighn. the woman presenting was afull she was scarey looking and she did not connect with any one in the room she often tried to make people laugh and you could hear crickets going off. they did show clone wars but i wanted a jedi lightsaber wii game. the DS anouncement kept the presentation alive GTA for ds could be Cool i dont own a ds its the only one i dont have but the gutair hero looks kind of like it is going to be a pain in the but to play it.

Overall

the only system that made me gain confidence was 360 i really want the ps3 to do well cause some real cool games could come out of its life cycle if there install base increases, as of right now i just dont see it happening. the folks at nintendo i feel are strugeling there way through there HQ and there office rooms overflowed in cash and are trying to make it to there desk to come up with more games. i dont think that the 360 won a huge victory but they did what they had to do i dont hear my self saying o i wish microsoft did this like i am with the other consoles.

Once again im not a fanboy i am a universal gamer i just want good games i will admit that i used to be a ps3 fanboy when it was the only console i owned.

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#165 deactivated-58b6232955e4a
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Nobody really won E3, but I'm thinking Nintendo has actually won it... and I know that's the unpopular thing to say.

Wii Music will be huge, Wii Sports Resort will be huge, MotionPlus is a nice addition, Wii Speak could be good, and the DS has some strong titles including a new GTA game. Nintendo did fail in attracting games suited towards the hardcore... showing Call of Duty simply won't do.

Microsoft showed that Nintendo and Sony are more innovative (Mii, EyeToy, Singstar clones) and Sony lost FFXIII exclusivity, although MAG could be good.

All sucked, but I still think Nintendo sucked less.

Now... let me just get my flame shield ready.

TDLlama

arent u the same person that said ninty would destroy ms and sony at e3, and there is no possibe way ninty won when the only thing that was good that they announced is AC and voice chat which isnt much. If i were to rate them...

M- 7/10

S-6/10

N-2/10 (because they atleast had something to show)

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#166 maziso2
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Am surprised to see no one bashing nintendo...then again am not the type, but you guys do realize that they DIDNT SHOW ANYTHING!! I sold my Wii 6 months ago, and i was hoping there conference ( with just zelda it wouldve been enough...but no, not even mario, samus, kid icarus or anything made an appereance) would make me buy a Wii again. Am sorry to say this becasue i used to be the bigest nintendo fanboy on the face of the earth....but nintendo has become a joke, not even a shadow of their former self. While Wii has sold much more than the gamecube, its already lear which consoles wins in quality games.
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#167 colmusterd28
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@Mustard

Your not a fanboy for this thread but for the 100s of ps3 diss ones you've started. That being said I don't really see why MS would win, oh wait it must have been the Mii clones, no wait... the SingStar ripoff... no the stuff on Gears which we already saw... oh ya thats right I forgot the FFX3 announcement.

Overall E3 was fairly weak, Nintendo was just plain stale, MS could have just announced FFX3 in the first 5 minutes then told everyone to go check out what other consoles have. Sony seemed shellshocked to me although kudos to Jack for 2-3 360 disses. But ya I guess your right Mustard MS is the best of the worse although lets be honest without the FFX3 announcement you wouldn't be posting.

Izzy12345

Like always, Im just looking for a good debate. You bring up a good point, without FF13 would I be claiming MS victory? yes and no.

No, because obviously without that bomb all MS did was tell us about the live upgrades, new casual games and a montage of games we've already known about.

Yes, because they continue to stick to a yearly strategy of less talk and more show... what I mean is that MS showed working playable demos of thier games, no teaser trailers a la GOW3 and MAG (which any cow could tell you is probably more than a year off) MS made their presentation more tangable, gave its fans something to grasp on to.

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#168 colmusterd28
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So MS wins, because their biggest announcement was a MUTIPLAT title.

Yeah, makes a lot of sense :|

leadernator

wow... how short sighted... They didn't announce RRRRIIIIDDDDGGGGGEEEEE Racer.... They announced Final Fantasy 13! you know, one of the potential salvations of your entire platform, you have heard of Final Fantasy haven't you? One of your massive system sellers is now with your direct competition and yes it will sell more in N.A. on 360.

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#169 colmusterd28
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ITT:

Idiots. All of you. NO exceptions.

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you may want to change your "pit" sig... Eggplant Miyamoto has him locked in a coffin...

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#170 Eclipse_V2
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360 Killed it. Ifn FF hadn't been announced then it would have been one of sonys biggest draws at E3.... instead we saw CGI after CGI after CGI

Fallout 3 exclusive DLC for 360, was a bigger announcement than anything sony made, never mind fable, gears, or banjo.

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#171 samusarmada
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the winner of E3 was not in any way clear cut.
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#172 Oriental_Jams
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Nintendo's was awful.
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#173 incred_davis
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microsoft = great
had hardcore games
had casual games
had announcments
had online rebuffing

sony = good
had hardcore games but no dates
had casual games
had online retooling
no real announcments and not much gameplay.

nintendo = vomit
had only causal games and they werent event that good looking
had charts and graphs
had shawn white for like ten mintues not snowboarding.

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#174 -eitch8
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um in case u havent notice, all ms did was show 2 sequals we already knew about, talked about MULTIPLATFORMS, and then introduced these horrible ripoffs from itunes coverflow, wiis miis, and took sonys ff 13, along with a singstar copy, and a stupid movie game. im sorry but that is not what i call better than sonys
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#175 Wae416
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I'm not going to say which one, because, quite frankly, I haven't figured it out yet.

What lost, though, was Nintendo.

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#176 MaximumD
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[QUOTE="Pariah_001"]

I wouldn't say anyone won much of anything. All of the conferences have been pretty lame so far. The FFXIII thing was the only highlight and considering the franchise's picky marketability, that's not a huge success unless they bagged it as an exclusive.

[QUOTE="platinumxofhell"]

Microsoft won.

Sony barely has 3rd party exclusives.

ParadiddleFill

Who cares?

are you kidding me final fantasy 13 going on the 360 is like halo 3 coming out for the ps3

No, just no. FF13 is third party, Halo is 2nd party. Final Fantasy games always was on other systems too, like, DS, Xbox, Gamecube, and playstation.

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#177 aaronmullan
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Microsoft won? when!?
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#178 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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Microsoft won? when!?aaronmullan
Final Fantasy 13? :lol:
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#179 KOTORkicker
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Nintendo's press conference was absolutely abyssmal... sorry, it just was.-Jiggles-

Sales Charts.. And everything we expected to see. Predictable ol' Ninty.

At least Sony pulled off their Sales Charts with a little panache.. And announced some actual games, not gimmicks.

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#180 enral
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[QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Microsoft won? when!?Jandurin
Final Fantasy 13? :lol:

Which I can STILL get on the ps3?

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#182 AtrumRegina
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Nintendo's press conference was absolutely abyssmal... sorry, it just was.-Jiggles-

It was lulz.

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#183 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="aaronmullan"]Microsoft won? when!?enral

Final Fantasy 13? :lol:

Which I can STILL get on the ps3?

I didn't say that made Sony lose, did I? Or made Sony fans less able to do something? That's a WIN for MS.
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#184 FancyKetchup25
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I think MS would have won if they dident piss me off so much for f***ing up the dashboard like they did, i really dont want that update at all. and oh yeah nintendo was just way to corny. so id prolly say MS and Sony tied, and nintendo just plain sucked.
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#185 colmusterd28
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I think MS would have won if they dident piss me off so much for f***ing up the dashboard like they did, i really dont want that update at all. and oh yeah nintendo was just way to corny. so id prolly say MS and Sony tied, and nintendo just plain sucked.FancyKetchup25

Dear Ketchup,

I like that MS is retooling the dashboard... it was time. Wether the new look is also functional will be determined in fall, but it did look pretty clean to me. I love the party system, infact the one thing I wasn't to cool with the sony Home idea was that you'd have to walk around places to accomplish things. Avatars with a party system seems like a nice happy medium.

with love from the other side of the bun,

Musterd.

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#186 SpruceCaboose
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I believe Sony won, TBH.

As for losing...Ninty in a landslide.

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#187 azad_champ
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Sony won easily! All MS did was to take a game that's available on the PS3 anyway. Sony showed new games and GoWIII!!!!

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#188 ExplosiveChorro
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I never knew E3 was a game....
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#189 ParadiddleFill
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Sony won easily! All MS did was to take a game that's available on the PS3 anyway. Sony showed new games and GoWIII!!!!

azad_champ

they showed games that you wont be playing for a long time and a bunch of cgi trailers its pretty much sony e3 from 2005

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#190 azad_champ
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[QUOTE="azad_champ"]

Sony won easily! All MS did was to take a game that's available on the PS3 anyway. Sony showed new games and GoWIII!!!!

ParadiddleFill

they showed games that you wont be playing for a long time and a bunch of cgi trailers its pretty much sony e3 from 2005

what CGI trailers?!?!?!?!

All but GoWIII and KZ2 will be playable this year.

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#191 SpruceCaboose
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I never knew E3 was a game....ExplosiveChorro

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#192 ParadiddleFill
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[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"][QUOTE="azad_champ"]

Sony won easily! All MS did was to take a game that's available on the PS3 anyway. Sony showed new games and GoWIII!!!!

azad_champ

they showed games that you wont be playing for a long time and a bunch of cgi trailers its pretty much sony e3 from 2005

what CGI trailers?!?!?!?!

All but GoWIII and KZ2 will be playable this year.

gow3 and the new ip sony announced were both cgi trailers that wont be playable for maybe another 2 years

so i dont see how that makes sony win e3

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#193 SpruceCaboose
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gow3 and the new ip sony announced were both cgi trailers that wont be playable for maybe another 2 years

so i dont see how that makes sony win e3

ParadiddleFill

GoW III will be out next year, and I wish MS would have shown a little more about the future itself.

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#194 ParadiddleFill
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[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

gow3 and the new ip sony announced were both cgi trailers that wont be playable for maybe another 2 years

so i dont see how that makes sony win e3

SpruceCaboose

GoW III will be out next year, and I wish MS would have shown a little more about the future itself.

i highly doubt it, i mean we havent even seen any gameplay footage just some cgi movie chances are high it could get delayed

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#195 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

gow3 and the new ip sony announced were both cgi trailers that wont be playable for maybe another 2 years

so i dont see how that makes sony win e3

ParadiddleFill

GoW III will be out next year, and I wish MS would have shown a little more about the future itself.

i highly doubt it, i mean we havent even seen any gameplay footage just some cgi movie chances are high it could get delayed

God of War games have consistently had a two year dev cycle. For an internal Sony studio and such a high profile game, I don't see it missing 2009.

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#196 AgentA-Mi6
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Sony did the best they could without their third party support, Sony is in restructuring, They went from having the most enviable TPEs to nearly 0 exclusive third party support now. If they want to keep going they'll need to make more and more first party games and being currently in shambles Sony did best they could if you ask me, announcing Gow, M.A.G And showing us how good LBP truly is plus a resistance game for psp. Honorable 2nd.

Nintendo on the other Hand Fails in Every Possible Way, No interesting games, Mostly sales talk, All flash casual titles with no substance is what they gave us and Animal Crossing of course xD. Nintendo Lost.

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#197 ParadiddleFill
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[QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="ParadiddleFill"]

gow3 and the new ip sony announced were both cgi trailers that wont be playable for maybe another 2 years

so i dont see how that makes sony win e3

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GoW III will be out next year, and I wish MS would have shown a little more about the future itself.

i highly doubt it, i mean we havent even seen any gameplay footage just some cgi movie chances are high it could get delayed

God of War games have consistently had a two year dev cycle. For an internal Sony studio and such a high profile game, I don't see it missing 2009.

same thing was said about metal gear solid 4 which was a bigger game then god of war. Plus this isnt being made on the ps2 or the psp. The devs are going to need more then two years

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#198 SpruceCaboose
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same thing was said about metal gear solid 4 which was a bigger game then god of war. Plus this isnt being made on the ps2 or the psp. The devs are going to need more then two years

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Konami is not a 1st party studio. On top of that, Insomniac is showing, very well, that PS3 development can be timely. Resistance in Nov 2006, R&C Future in Nov 2007, and Ratchet & Clank Quest for Booty & Resistance 2 in Holiday 2008.