[QUOTE="hakanakumono"][QUOTE="slvrraven9"]were talking abotu redzones this and sales that. true sega did make some marketing blunders during the sega saturn age wich i still have that too. still a good console and the 32x and sega cd and saturn werent as popular as they should have been...well to be honest the only ones i supported was the genesis, saturn, and dreamcast personaly. but the only creativitty i see in sony is adding the "video" to the gaming. (i.e. dvd last gen and blu ray this gen) and thats where it stops. sega had online gaming before sony execs were competent of how to evne pull it off. online chat through keyboard (console) peripheral true 3d gaming the list goes onslvrraven9
You're wrong.
Sony knew that if they were going to compete with nintendo they had to do something different, so they decided to push the market from one that was regardedly largely as children's toy to one that was targeted towards young adults - the "19" campaign.
Sony's playstation was also the first console to do true 3D. The reason why the sega console was so strange at the time was because in response to sony's 3D console, sega overpowered their saturn so it could handle 3D to some extent (albeit poorly) overcomplicating the structure and making it very expensive.
In fact, its funny that you mention "video" to gaming because if you look at the Japanese library thats largely what the saturn set out to do, rather than the Playstation, because it wasn't as good at 3D.
Sony also pioneered the handle style controller that future systems mimicked just like playstation and saturn mimicked the snes button arrangement to some extent. It's controller was 3D in comparison with Saturn's archaic flat pad design.
Sony has also a long history of highly creative games on the PS2, such as Ico, Rule of Rose, Siren, and Shadow of the Collossus.
i dont know where i should begin to dismember your arguement so ill just start where it seems to fit. sega already had the audience that was more "mature" than nintendo so no sony did not originate that idea, they capitalized off of it sure. but originat.....far from it. if you want to name titles i can but we'd be going all night with this back and forth thing. segas console has always been geared towards the more adult crowd over nintendo. and no sony was NOT the first console to do true 3d...if im correct sega did have the first 3d game on a console by creating the "virtua games"go back if you cant remember the times....and no sega did not intendo to do anything "video" with gaming. sega concentrated on making a console and pushing it to the know limits by adding and doing the most with the tech that was in their hands and to be quite honest for that time, yes they did do a much better time than sony. the fact is sony had a much longer time to "perfect their technique" than sega. and no sony did not pioneer the forst handle style controller take a look at the first gen saturn controler, is when handles were starting to be found to be more confort. then came the dreamcast wich had a controller soley contoured to the form of your hand. (unless you had little sissy girly hands because it was big) ill give you the fact that sony does have some creative minds behind their games now...and after the saturn died they started with creativity. ico didnt come about until 4 years after the ps2s launch though. but seaman....if anyone remembers that game was creative too...of course there was others but like i said we could go back and forth on that issue all night Sega didn't actively seek a more mature audience, they simply tolerated violence and sex more liberally than nintendo (the later in Japan).
I'm not saying that sony did the first 3D, i'm saying PS1 was the first console intended for 3D gaming. Saturn was not.
Did much better than sony? The sega saturn was a complete mess. It had two hitachi processors in an attempt to make it more powerful, but they didn't cooperate well and it was extremely difficult to program for. Learn your history please.
Sony had a lot longer to perfect their technique? Sega had been in the industry for quite some time, while Sony simply was left on their own after being abandoned by nintendo. The two systems were released a month apart (Japan).
There were no handles on the first gen saturn controller, i own one. It's a curved shaped pad. The dreamcast followed in the footsteps of the PS1 controller, which also fit in your hand. Both are very comfortable, although the Dreamcast one was excessively large in order to accomodate the vmu.
Yes, I know what seaman is.
I want to note that I do appreciate sega and actually enjoy the sega saturn very much. But I'm not blind to the reality of the situation.
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