OMFG! Home will be BETTER than what anyone thought!

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#51 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="angrymouse"]

it's business stand point... you would understand it if you go to school

lowe0

REALLY. I have a bachelor's in CIS from Purdue. Where did you go to school, oh esteemed scholar?

And nowhere in my post did I say there wasn't a business case for moving features into Home that could have been done in-game. I simply pointed out that I'm not impressed, as it's nothing that couldn't have been done in-game.

EE from USC, now working for Technicolor's electronic distribution division, and I wholly agree with you. Home is one of the most pointless platforms for digital delivery I've ever seen, and I've very nearly seen them all.

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#52 angrymouse
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it's business stand point... you would understand it if you go to school

lowe0

REALLY. I have a bachelor's in CIS from Purdue. Where did you go to school, oh esteemed scholar?

And nowhere in my post did I say there wasn't a business case for moving features into Home that could have been done in-game. I simply pointed out that I'm not impressed, as it's nothing that couldn't have been done in-game.

ah sorry, I quoted the wrong person. That's why it didn't make any sense to you.

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#53 angrymouse
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[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="angrymouse"]

it's business stand point... you would understand it if you go to school

mjarantilla

REALLY. I have a bachelor's in CIS from Purdue. Where did you go to school, oh esteemed scholar?

And nowhere in my post did I say there wasn't a business case for moving features into Home that could have been done in-game. I simply pointed out that I'm not impressed, as it's nothing that couldn't have been done in-game.

EE from USC, now working for Technicolor's electronic distribution division, and I wholly agree with you. Home is one of the most pointless platforms for digital delivery I've ever seen, and I've very nearly seen them all.

yes pointless, but it brings something different to consoles, at least sony is trying.

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#54 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="angrymouse"]

it's business stand point... you would understand it if you go to school

angrymouse

REALLY. I have a bachelor's in CIS from Purdue. Where did you go to school, oh esteemed scholar?

And nowhere in my post did I say there wasn't a business case for moving features into Home that could have been done in-game. I simply pointed out that I'm not impressed, as it's nothing that couldn't have been done in-game.

EE from USC, now working for Technicolor's electronic distribution division, and I wholly agree with you. Home is one of the most pointless platforms for digital delivery I've ever seen, and I've very nearly seen them all.

yes pointless, but it brings something different to consoles, at least sony is trying.

Sony is trying, but Microsoft and Nintendo are trying AND accomplishing. All three consoles "bring something different" to console gaming.

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#55 angrymouse
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[QUOTE="angrymouse"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="angrymouse"]

it's business stand point... you would understand it if you go to school

mjarantilla

REALLY. I have a bachelor's in CIS from Purdue. Where did you go to school, oh esteemed scholar?

And nowhere in my post did I say there wasn't a business case for moving features into Home that could have been done in-game. I simply pointed out that I'm not impressed, as it's nothing that couldn't have been done in-game.

EE from USC, now working for Technicolor's electronic distribution division, and I wholly agree with you. Home is one of the most pointless platforms for digital delivery I've ever seen, and I've very nearly seen them all.

yes pointless, but it brings something different to consoles, at least sony is trying.

Sony is trying, but Microsoft and Nintendo are trying AND accomplishing. All three consoles "bring something different" to console gaming.

please elaborate on how nintendo try and accomplished? are you talking about the wiimote? I thought we are talking online stand point.

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#56 LibertySaint
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lol yeah, so really thats nothing, its like an extra menue in a game, but more 3d and harder to get to cause u have to get there in a 3d verse not thro a menue, system, no thank u, i just lik ehomes, apartments, freinds, grouping and message boards, that all i like, but live will being message boards soon once home does to compete, so yeah :/ heck i bet live will make a 3d verse too for the ppl who like 2nd life....but yeah what ever sony does, live has to do that and more to stay on top, trust me if psn ever gets better live will have an update soon after psn updates to that goodness to compete and be better cause u have to pay.
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#57 mastarifla
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[QUOTE="DXGreat1_HGL"]Come on cows, try to convince anyone here that Sony or scam artists wouldn't use Home to prey on people. If Sony had no qualms about putting rootkits in CDs, what would stop them here?angrymouse

scam artists are every where, what's your point? I don't see here you going with this.

His point is since Home is a free venue, accessible to anybody with a PS3, scamming has a higher chance of happening. You would understand if you go to college.

I feel sorry for you if you needed to go to college to understand this concept. This is common sense

Self Owned? You didn't understand what he said and now your saying that anyone who doesn't understand doesn't have any common sense.
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#58 Demetri_OS
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When was the last time Sony delivered the "ZOMG" promises? Thats right, never.

Enjoy your wait.

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#59 ziggyd24
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Wow man I can't freaking wait. Let us at the public beta already lol!!!
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#60 Immortal_Evil
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Mang this will get old very fast.
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#61 TREAL_Since
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Myspace is free and it ends up being a den of viral marketers and scam artists. Just like Home will end up being...

mastarifla

I could see this happening... I am glad I never fell into the Myspace fad when it was released when I was in High School... maturity does amazing things.

I don't think maturity has much to do with it. Myspace is just a unique way to communicate with your friends and family and meet new people. That's what I use it for. And it's good for upcoming artists to get their music heard. People enjoy doing things like customize their pages, share their thoughts, chat, and meet new people.

Home, in many ways, is like Myspace on crack. There's nothing wrong with that. Socializing is heathy for us all. Look at what we are doing now... Socializing. What better way to do so with other gamers in Home? Feeling that Myspace or Home is immature almost seems immature in itself.

This new info sounds very interesting though. Trophies, game portal content, mini-games, customize your pad & avatar, chat and meet new gamers sounds fun to me.

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#62 TREAL_Since
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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

EE from USC, now working for Technicolor's electronic distribution division, and I wholly agree with you. Home is one of the most pointless platforms for digital delivery I've ever seen, and I've very nearly seen them all.

angrymouse

yes pointless, but it brings something different to consoles, at least sony is trying.

How is expanding online social community pointless? It's unique and brings something new to the table. Well... I guess everyone won't like it, but I'm 100% certain that millions of people will enjoy it.

I bet if this same idea was on the Wii and took advantages of the Mii's, both Sheep and Lemmings would praise it in some way or another. I know I would!

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#63 jjr10
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That actually does sound pretty good.
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#64 HuusAsking
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Have you noticed that all the "cool" stuff only seems to be coming from stuff published by Sony? What about third-party games?
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Who the hell wants to explore a level without being shot? Whats the bloody point theres nothing in it. And who the hell would sit in a "war room" and discuss tactics. XD

Hey guys we've got a choice we can go to TEH WAR ROOM@@ or we can you know, play the game. The mini game idea sounds ok but that's nothing special, neither are the audio logs, you tend to get that junk in some games it's never anything intertesting and the mini game only lasts an hour before you get tired of it. Don't see how this makes it better than Live, i also can't see this being a standard for all games it can't be hard adding in achievements but making an entire room? lol.

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#66 HuusAsking
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Who the hell wants to explore a level without being shot? Whats the bloody point theres nothing in it. And who the hell would sit in a "war room" and discuss tactics. XD

Hey guys we've got a choice we can go to TEH WAR ROOM@@ or we can you know, play the game. The mini game idea sounds ok but that's nothing special, neither are the audio logs, you tend to get that junk in some games it's never anything intertesting and the mini game only lasts an hour before you get tired of it. Don't see how this makes it better than Live, i also can't see this being a standard for all games it can't be hard adding in achievements but making an entire room? lol.

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War Rooms are designed so you and the rest of your team can plan out how you'll proceed before actually going in. It's kind of how strategy is planned in the real world before engaging in an operation. Good planning can help make sure you're not surprised, that you can take advantage of things--in general, good planning is supposed to help make the job quicker, simpler, and less costly.
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It won't be as good as you think. Sounds all gimmicky to me...tccavey2

The same was said about the Wii and we know how that is turning out.

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#68 subrosian
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yes home is turning out to be quite interesting, i kinda wish microsoft would create a home ripp-offstika

They've been in development of their own version of HOME for some time now.

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The problem with all of this is that it covers three games. What makes LIVE work is that it integrates into every game - its mandatory - you buy a game and it has achievements, LIVE support, online multiplayer, et cetera. You buy a PS3 game at this point, the HOME support is getting added after-the-fact, and you don't know what you're getting.

I'm not saying that HOME is bad - what I am saying is that if Sony wants to "sell it", then it will have to be pervasive - cool features like this will need to be there for every single game in the PS3's library.

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#69 subrosian
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[QUOTE="tccavey2"]It won't be as good as you think. Sounds all gimmicky to me...Khansoul

The same was said about the Wii and we know how that is turning out.

Yes, the Wii's online service turned out to be text-chat driven, and if we're really honest, a lot of Wii units have had dust on top of them. The game people are most excited for right now is Brawl - a title best played with the classic gaming controller. In other words - a game that could have been done on, say, the Xbox.

The Wii's motion controls are a gimmick - they remain a gimmick. A successful gimmick, one that drops people's guard, and gets them to try the system, but they're certainly not the core of what the Wii is, or why you're gaming on it. If you ask any core Wii gamer *why they play the system* the answer isn't motion controls, it is games.

"I own a Wii because of Twilight Princess, MP3, Bwii, Zak & Wiki, No More Heroes, Mario Galaxy, Super Paper Mario, and Brawl" not "I own a Wii because motion sensitive controls are awesome" - that's anicilliary - if Nintendo was making the same quality / creativity of games, but the gimmick was that the WiiMote was a giant touch-sensitive pad, or was an electrode you wore on your forehead and "mind-controlled" the games, or a hologram projector built into the system to display the games in real 3D - would it make any difference to your core Nintendo fan? Honest answer? They'd still be buying the system for the games.

Motion controls are a gimmick - there's nothing inheriently wrong with that, every system has a gimmick, or "feature" if you will, that was ripped out of arcades and packaged to help interest people in the system.

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[QUOTE="Khansoul"]

[QUOTE="tccavey2"]It won't be as good as you think. Sounds all gimmicky to me...subrosian

The same was said about the Wii and we know how that is turning out.

Yes, the Wii's online service turned out to be text-chat driven, and if we're really honest, a lot of Wii units have had dust on top of them. The game people are most excited for right now is Brawl - a title best played with the classic gaming controller. In other words - a game that could have been done on, say, the Xbox.

The Wii's motion controls are a gimmick - they remain a gimmick. A successful gimmick, one that drops people's guard, and gets them to try the system, but they're certainly not the core of what the Wii is, or why you're gaming on it. If you ask any core Wii gamer *why they play the system* the answer isn't motion controls, it is games.

"I own a Wii because of Twilight Princess, MP3, Bwii, Zak & Wiki, No More Heroes, Mario Galaxy, Super Paper Mario, and Brawl" not "I own a Wii because motion sensitive controls are awesome" - that's anicilliary - if Nintendo was making the same quality / creativity of games, but the gimmick was that the WiiMote was a giant touch-sensitive pad, or was an electrode you wore on your forehead and "mind-controlled" the games, or a hologram projector built into the system to display the games in real 3D - would it make any difference to your core Nintendo fan? Honest answer? They'd still be buying the system for the games.

Motion controls are a gimmick - there's nothing inheriently wrong with that, every system has a gimmick, or "feature" if you will, that was ripped out of arcades and packaged to help interest people in the system.

But what if Nintendo were to make an excellent game for which the Wiimote is a requirement, where the game concept couldn't be completed any other way except by the Wiimote?
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#71 Bread_or_Decide
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It won't be as good as you think. Sounds all gimmicky to me...tccavey2

When did Gimmick become a four letter word? Its gimmicks that make anything interesting. Gears of War had a duck behind cover gimmick. Wii has a motion control gimmick. Enough already. The very fact that its a gimmick is what makes it interesting in the first place. Gimmick is so terribly used in these forums its amazing.

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#72 HungryLikeAMug
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i dont understand cows and their obsession with home....i didnt buy my console to dress up a fruity/creepy looking version of myself and meet other fruity/creepy looking people online. dont you guys have...i dont know...GAMES to play or something?
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#73 Chilled_AB
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Intriguing, I had my doubts about Home but I have to admit this sounds great.
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#74 Ontain
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while the exploring levels is interesting, it's ridiculously easy to allow. in PC gaming there's sometimes dev codes you can enter to remove all enemies or make them stop moving and also no clipping which allows you to fly anywhere and through anything. this type of feature doesn't need HOME to achieve and 360 games could implement it easily if they wanted to. even through a game update. it would just be another game mode.

the added 2d scrolling game and war room do sound like good additions. I also don't really see how HOME is needed for this but oh well.

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#75 filiwian
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Yeah, home will definately be awesome and will be used by many people. I myself am looking forward to getting it.
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#76 Captain_Waffles
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If this could be a standard across all games.... win.
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agreed, a lot of people are bashing this before it even has a shot of coming out yet, and all i can say is that watch out because it may surprise you
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#78 subrosian
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[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="Khansoul"]

[QUOTE="tccavey2"]It won't be as good as you think. Sounds all gimmicky to me...HuusAsking

The same was said about the Wii and we know how that is turning out.

Yes, the Wii's online service turned out to be text-chat driven, and if we're really honest, a lot of Wii units have had dust on top of them. The game people are most excited for right now is Brawl - a title best played with the classic gaming controller. In other words - a game that could have been done on, say, the Xbox.

The Wii's motion controls are a gimmick - they remain a gimmick. A successful gimmick, one that drops people's guard, and gets them to try the system, but they're certainly not the core of what the Wii is, or why you're gaming on it. If you ask any core Wii gamer *why they play the system* the answer isn't motion controls, it is games.

"I own a Wii because of Twilight Princess, MP3, Bwii, Zak & Wiki, No More Heroes, Mario Galaxy, Super Paper Mario, and Brawl" not "I own a Wii because motion sensitive controls are awesome" - that's anicilliary - if Nintendo was making the same quality / creativity of games, but the gimmick was that the WiiMote was a giant touch-sensitive pad, or was an electrode you wore on your forehead and "mind-controlled" the games, or a hologram projector built into the system to display the games in real 3D - would it make any difference to your core Nintendo fan? Honest answer? They'd still be buying the system for the games.

Motion controls are a gimmick - there's nothing inheriently wrong with that, every system has a gimmick, or "feature" if you will, that was ripped out of arcades and packaged to help interest people in the system.

But what if Nintendo were to make an excellent game for which the Wiimote is a requirement, where the game concept couldn't be completed any other way except by the Wiimote?

DDR "requires" the dance pad to have the "full experience", Guitar Hero requires the guitar, Time Crisis "requires" the lightgun. Sure, you could replace the controls with a controller, or a keyboard and mouse, or anything else but you would argue that "the experience wouldn't be the same" - therefore the experience IS, in essence, the controller, and thus a gimmick.

Otherwise, typically, we're talking about just making good software, in which case you can argue different controllers are "better" or "worse" for certain types of games, or a controllers is an improvement over an older one, but in general we're still talking about a very software driven market.

In fact you cannnot really argue in favor of the Wii without discussing a software-driven market. Nintendo doesn't have hardware on their side, for them, it wasn't about having the best graphics, it was about having the best game, and for them that meant focusing on the games - so, to answer your question, yes the Wiimote is a gimmick, even if you make a game that "requires" (and I put that in quotes because it is impossible to make a game that could not in theory be controlled in a different way, even if that way was less ideal) the Wiimote, you're really focusing on making a good game.

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#79 real45
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[QUOTE="angrymouse"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

EE from USC, now working for Technicolor's electronic distribution division, and I wholly agree with you. Home is one of the most pointless platforms for digital delivery I've ever seen, and I've very nearly seen them all.

TREAL_Since

yes pointless, but it brings something different to consoles, at least sony is trying.

How is expanding online social community pointless? It's unique and brings something new to the table. Well... I guess everyone won't like it, but I'm 100% certain that millions of people will enjoy it.

I bet if this same idea was on the Wii and took advantages of the Mii's, both Sheep and Lemmings would praise it in some way or another. I know I would!

I guess gamespot and IGN better do something fast, they might have a mass migration on their hands.
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#80 real45
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while the exploring levels is interesting, it's ridiculously easy to allow. in PC gaming there's sometimes dev codes you can enter to remove all enemies or make them stop moving and also no clipping which allows you to fly anywhere and through anything. this type of feature doesn't need HOME to achieve and 360 games could implement it easily if they wanted to. even through a game update. it would just be another game mode.

the added 2d scrolling game and war room do sound like good additions. I also don't really see how HOME is needed for this but oh well.

Ontain
Sounds more like a new ingame feature promoting home rather than a feature in hame.