One major reason why the Playstation VITA is better than the 3DS

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#1 Second_Hokage
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Analog sticks... nuff said. Theres no way you can despute this, but you can try.

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#2 thecreechxxx
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For some games sure. But Mario / Mario Kart were fine without it. If I'm playing an old school RPG or a 2-d Castlevania game it doesn't make any difference. While I agree it limits the type of games a 3ds has, I don't really care for shooters. To me it won't make much of a difference.
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#3 loosingENDS
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Analog sticks... nuff said. Theres no way you can despute this, but you can try.

Second_Hokage

Now all it needs is some amazing actual games to use them

I dont see any announced that i like so far, so that would be a 4-5 years wait for me as it seems, until it gets some amazing RPG

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#4 Wasdie  Moderator
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Are you sure having analog sticks is better for handheld gaming?

At what point does a game become to complex to be a real effective handheld game? The simplicity of modern smartphones and tablets forces game developers to keep their games simple and easy to control allowing them to be great mobile games.

The best mobile games are the ones you don't have to sit there and be immersed in but are ones you can play little bit throughout the day with the occasional gaming session.

The problem with the Vita is the fact that it's trying to be a portable console in a market dominated by smartphones and touchscreen devices which offer far better mobile gaming. Do you ever wonder why it's not selling really well in Japan?

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#5 FlamesOfGrey
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Or Full Custom Soundtracks, Party System and Cross Game Chat. Seriously though the 3DS is a good system but yeah after the PSP, it's really puzzling that Nintendo didn't put them in.
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#6 FlamesOfGrey
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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="Second_Hokage"]

Analog sticks... nuff said. Theres no way you can despute this, but you can try.

Now all it needs is some amazing actual games to use them

I dont see any announced that i like so far, so that would be a 4-5 years wait for me as it seems, until it gets some amazing RPG

The 3DS doesn't have any amazing RPGs either yet. The good RPG's it does have are found on other systems minus Beyond The Labyrinth which isn't out anywhere but Japan.
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#7 GamingGod999
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[QUOTE="Second_Hokage"]

Analog sticks... nuff said. Theres no way you can despute this, but you can try.

loosingENDS

Now all it needs is some amazing actual games to use them

I dont see any announced that i like so far, so that would be a 4-5 years wait for me as it seems, until it gets some amazing RPG

U NO LIK PERSONA?!?
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#8 FlamesOfGrey
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[QUOTE="GamingGod999"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="Second_Hokage"]

Analog sticks... nuff said. Theres no way you can despute this, but you can try.

Now all it needs is some amazing actual games to use them

I dont see any announced that i like so far, so that would be a 4-5 years wait for me as it seems, until it gets some amazing RPG

U NO LIK PERSONA?!?

No original ones just like all but one for the 3DS RPG's so far. You can still find Persona 4 on the PS2 and it would be cheaper then the PS VIta version (Lacking the extra content though).
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#9 peterw007
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The Circle Pad Pro invalidates your point, TC.

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#10 babycakin
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What a terrible thread

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#11 phonemug
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One major reason why it isn't

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#12 FlamesOfGrey
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The Circle Pad Pro invalidates your point, TC.

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That thing looks horrid and it's an add on. Alot of people aren't going to buy it so, it could potentially limit what some developers want to do just like the PSP. I mean not every developer is going to want to create two controls schemes.
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#13 HarlockJC
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Or Full Custom Soundtracks, Party System and Cross Game Chat. Seriously though the 3DS is a good system but yeah after the PSP, it's really puzzling that Nintendo didn't put them in.FlamesOfGrey
Personally I think there will be other online modes for the 3DS, but Nintendo is waiting till the Wii-U comes out to use them.
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#14 dontshackzmii
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circlepad is butter

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#15 FlamesOfGrey
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[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]Or Full Custom Soundtracks, Party System and Cross Game Chat. Seriously though the 3DS is a good system but yeah after the PSP, it's really puzzling that Nintendo didn't put them in.HarlockJC
Personally I think there will be other online modes for the 3DS, but Nintendo is waiting till the Wii-U comes out to use them.

We'll see what Nintendo does. They are the worst in online gaming currently and I'm interested in seeing what they do to bring it up to current standards. I believe they're already getting rid of friend codes for thw Wii-U?
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[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]Or Full Custom Soundtracks, Party System and Cross Game Chat. Seriously though the 3DS is a good system but yeah after the PSP, it's really puzzling that Nintendo didn't put them in.HarlockJC
Personally I think there will be other online modes for the 3DS, but Nintendo is waiting till the Wii-U comes out to use them.

Agreed, they've already added quite a bit since launch, it's reasonable to assume that would continue given their stated intention of delving more into online stuff.
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#17 Merex760
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But most of the games I play on my 3DS have no need for dual analog sticks sir...

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#18 babycakin
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[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"]Or Full Custom Soundtracks, Party System and Cross Game Chat. Seriously though the 3DS is a good system but yeah after the PSP, it's really puzzling that Nintendo didn't put them in.FlamesOfGrey
Personally I think there will be other online modes for the 3DS, but Nintendo is waiting till the Wii-U comes out to use them.

We'll see what Nintendo does. They are the worst in online gaming currently and I'm interested in seeing what they do to bring it up to current standards. I believe they're already getting rid of friend codes for thw Wii-U?

Thankfully yes

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#19 Second_Hokage
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I don't think we'll see dedicated mic communication on Wii U...
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#20 babycakin
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I don't think we'll see dedicated mic communication on Wii U... Second_Hokage

We'll just have to wait and see

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#21 FashionFreak
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I tried putting analog sticks in my vita, but it just won't play!

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#22 babycakin
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I tried putting analog sticks in my vita, but it just won't play!

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Try sales, that might work

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#23 Second_Hokage
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Your font is pissing me off...

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#24 ActicEdge
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2 sticks is great. Many handheld games thus far kick ass with 1 though.

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Are you sure having analog sticks is better for handheld gaming?

At what point does a game become to complex to be a real effective handheld game? The simplicity of modern smartphones and tablets forces game developers to keep their games simple and easy to control allowing them to be great mobile games.

The best mobile games are the ones you don't have to sit there and be immersed in but are ones you can play little bit throughout the day with the occasional gaming session.

The problem with the Vita is the fact that it's trying to be a portable console in a market dominated by smartphones and touchscreen devices which offer far better mobile gaming. Do you ever wonder why it's not selling really well in Japan?

Wasdie

Then explain the PSP. Until the launch of the Vita, it was selling very well and console style games were successful for the platform.

Vita's problem isn't other mobile devices, so much as the fact that it's biggest launch title in Japan was Hot Shots Golf.

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#26 el3m2tigre
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Nah. The DS didn't even have analog sticks and it was way ahead of the PSP.

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#27 hakanakumono
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Developers may be able to develop games despite lack of analog, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. It either means the developer simply doesn't try to make games that really need the use of the analog, or they release them despite camera issues. Hence 3rd Birthday and FF Type-0 both needing dual analog.

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#28 babycakin
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Your font is pissing me off...

Second_Hokage

is it?

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#29 SaltyMeatballs
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3DS games work fine without a second analogue though. It's good that Vita has it though, but this thread is poop.
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#30 Assassin_87
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ANOTHER major reason it's better: it's not selling, so you won't have a problem finding one. :)

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#31 Second_Hokage
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ANOTHER major reason it's better: it's not selling, so you won't have a problem finding one. :)

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How dare you... i hope no one sees what you did there.
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#32 SW__Troll
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The best reason I can think of for why it's better is how big it is. It's size pretty much warrants a purchase of a carry bag to hold it in, and those can be quite stylish.

You'll be the talk of the town wearing one of those.

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#33 babycakin
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ANOTHER major reason it's better: it's not selling, so you won't have a problem finding one. :)

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ouch, nice one lol

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#34 WilliamRLBaker
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Um one can debate that easily analog sticks as in 2 doesn't inherently make something better its along the same line of argument that some hermits use that because its on pc it inherently has better gameplay when this is a completely debatable and subjective opinion gameplay will always be completely subjective.

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Other:

  • Graphics
  • Netflix
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#36 peterw007
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Other:

  • Graphics
  • Netflix

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The 3DS has Netflix.

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#37 yoshi_64
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When those analog sticks wear out, we'll start talking. The one thing I worry about Vita is since it doesn't have a clamshell design, how does one expect the analog sticks not to gather lint, and be ruined from moving around in your pocket when you walk or in your bags? Either way, dual analog would be nice, but it's not necessary, and so far I haven't seen it needed in any game I play.
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#38 babycakin
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[QUOTE="tjricardo089"]

Other:

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  • Netflix

peterw007

The 3DS has Netflix.

that dude just failed hard :lol:

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#39 SaltyMeatballs
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When those analog sticks wear out, we'll start talking. The one thing I worry about Vita is since it doesn't have a clamshell design, how does one expect the analog sticks not to gather lint, and be ruined from moving around in your pocket when you walk or in your bags? Either way, dual analog would be nice, but it's not necessary, and so far I haven't seen it needed in any game I play. yoshi_64
Basically, if you plan on taking it a lot of places you'll need a carrier case for the Vita.
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#40 vtbob88
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I for one do not like the size of Vita for a handheld. I remember there being complaints by some about the 3DS not fitting in pockets very well. Imagine fiting somethign bigger that also has the 2 analog sticks sticking out of it.

I would be more interested if Sony was trying to make a handheld and not a smaller console with its own screen. I have my consoles for console gaming and my handheld for handheld gaming. Also...are people excited for the two touch screens on the back of Vita? I know they can have some cool uses but to me it seems more like sony saying "3DS has 1 touch screen...hahaha we have 3, TAKE THAT!"

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#41 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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No. You're an idiot OP.

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#42 ShadowriverUB
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Are you sure having analog sticks is better for handheld gaming?

At what point does a game become to complex to be a real effective handheld game? The simplicity of modern smartphones and tablets forces game developers to keep their games simple and easy to control allowing them to be great mobile games.

The best mobile games are the ones you don't have to sit there and be immersed in but are ones you can play little bit throughout the day with the occasional gaming session.

The problem with the Vita is the fact that it's trying to be a portable console in a market dominated by smartphones and touchscreen devices which offer far better mobile gaming. Do you ever wonder why it's not selling really well in Japan?

Wasdie

You definitly didn't play MGS: PW or Monster Hunter (which makes 2nd analog on touch screen, not ot mention Metroid games do the same), lack of 2nd analog stick is what backfired PSP and will backfire 3DS (DS didn't able to pull 3d grafics good enoth to make such games) because most 3D games require camera turning or aiming, Nintendo suppriced me to reapet Sony mistake after they added better hardware in par of PSP or better that will make games that will require camera turning.

For fun fact Nintendo needed to come to Monster Hunter developers to understand at, they understood that and what we got now? extra attachment with 2nd stick on Monster Hunter relese! Dont be suppriced to see 2nd stick on 2nd edition of hardware

Throwing away 2nd analog stick to make limit developer to do smaller portable games is just stupid, 2 analog sticks can be used in many other ways (katamari for example?) and having move and camera controls doesn't mean the game is not good for portable

Statements like that just proofs how people can say stupid things just to bush something, 2nd analog stick is advancment over 3DS whtevery you like it or not, not to mention Nintendo seems to wake up and giving signs that they trying to catching up on that when they discovered that 3DS is in same hole where PSP was, which is shouder button analog stick function switching hell

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Are you sure having analog sticks is better for handheld gaming?

At what point does a game become to complex to be a real effective handheld game? The simplicity of modern smartphones and tablets forces game developers to keep their games simple and easy to control allowing them to be great mobile games.

The best mobile games are the ones you don't have to sit there and be immersed in but are ones you can play little bit throughout the day with the occasional gaming session.

The problem with the Vita is the fact that it's trying to be a portable console in a market dominated by smartphones and touchscreen devices which offer far better mobile gaming. Do you ever wonder why it's not selling really well in Japan?

Wasdie

The biggest negative would be if the Vita catered just to the audience of smartphone style games. There will most likely be smart phone type games come out on the Vita, but what will seperate if from smartphones are going to be the more complex games.

It would sell even worse if all it did was play games that were similar to smart phones. Very few people would choose a Vita over a smartphone.

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#44 moistsandwich
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OH my! I ams teh buyin' Vita right MEOWs! Dual Analogs!!... like 2 of D'EM....

3DS is DOOM3D!

:P

Seriously though.... think I'll "stick" with my 3DS... it has the games I want, Vita doesnt.

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#45 bobbetybob
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[QUOTE="peterw007"]

The Circle Pad Pro invalidates your point, TC.

FlamesOfGrey
That thing looks horrid and it's an add on. Alot of people aren't going to buy it so, it could potentially limit what some developers want to do just like the PSP. I mean not every developer is going to want to create two controls schemes.

Or they can just make it so the game comes bundled with the Circle Pad, or do what they did with Motion Plus and have a big warning on it saying "Hey you need this for the game to work!"
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#46 chaoz-king
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But most of the games I play on my 3DS have no need for dual analog sticks sir...

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Yeah I feel the same way. I don't buy a handheld to get the same types of games I play on 360,PS3, or PC.
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#47 topgunmv
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The Circle Pad Pro invalidates your point, TC.

peterw007

Actually it kind of confirms it, as it's a big fat "nuh uh" to all the sheep who were saying a touchscreen was better for control than a second analog stick.

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#48 magiciandude
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One major reason why the 3DS is better than the Vita:

The games.

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#49 Eponique
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Not really major.
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#50 ydnarrewop
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I'll always say it's a mean little piece of hardware for sure. It has guts.

Edit: Now if developers can use it lol :D