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If you didnt care then why are you replying?! Hypocritical arent you lol. If no one cared then why are we debating it?! This is a forum and it seems were debating. I've been on this site for over a year. Thats my reason!! How many accounts have you had previously to this one?! Personal. No... I dont take it personal as i turn off PC and go on about my life. Simple really.
I guess the fact you're attempting to insult me, confused mne into thinking your a bit butt hurt :/
I don't care about the inclusion of BJJ, i never claimed i didn't care about telling you i dont care, you don't seem to know what hypoctrical means :/ Oh dear
This is my first account thank you very much :)
Im not attempting to insult you at all. Im pointing out the obvious that you say one thing then contradict yourself with stupid comments. Now if anything your insulting yourself by saying one thing and doing another. I dont know what you are on about with "MNE INTO THINKING YOUR BIG BUTT HURT" so will just leave you to carry on showing your lack on intelligence (Not a insult just a fact).
All the rest of your post is utter garbage and not worth talking about.
Have fun as i'm off to class. Have fun with debating with your lack of knowledge.
Ok, you're obviously not butthurt :)What you're saying is BJJ is JJ without strikes. so that makes it different? Well, I guess you and Rickson Gracie disagree.GoldgloveThe easy answer is that Judo is throws, BJJ is ground, and Jiu Jitsu is Self defense against street fighting/being attacked. The more complicated answer is that: Judo is just a subset of Jiu Jitsu and was the style of Jiu Jitsu of Jigoro Kano. Judo Guys like Maeda were equally good on the ground and with throws as Maeda was at the Kodokan when the Fusen Ryu Jiu Jitsu school's style (who had a ground BJJ stlye) was added to Judo. Maeda went on to Brazil to teach the Gracie and started by teaching them ground work. I suppose if he had been with the Gracie for longer than 2 years he would have started teaching them more throws too. (the pre WWII style of teaching judo started with alot of newaza, ground training and sparring before moving to throws) Independently, Yukio Tani of the ground Fusen Ryu Jiu Jitsu school moved to England around 1900 and formed the Budokwai in London with Ginchin Koizumi. It wasn't till much later that they decided to join Judo and the Kodokan when Kano visited them. So for the early years of the Budokwai they were teaching some style of JiuJitus (probably Fusen Ryu) and not judo. So Jiu Jitsu schools (other than Kodokan Judo) were spread throughout the country which is why you see people who have learned Jiu Jitsu (and not Judo or BJJ). It should be noted that the Fusen Ryu guys were good at throws too (probably better than BJJ guys) but just not as good as Kodokan Judo throws. *Yukio Tani was famous for travellling the English music halls and taking on all comers. He used mainly ground work to finish his opponents as that was the quickest way to finish under indoor conditions and against bigger opponents. Keep in mind that he had to finish 20-30 opponents a night. If it was outdoors on hard surfaces or pavement then he may have used more throws to finish opponents quickly. ***** Judo up till the end of World War II had a fair balance between being expert on the ground and standing. Kimura is probably the prototype product of this era of Judo. However after WWII, the American GHQ (General Head Quarters) banned all martial arts, and disbanded the Japanese Martial arts centers/academies like the DNBK Butokukwai and judo academies like the Kodokan. So for about 5 years, all the masters had to go underground to teach. GHQ banned all competition from schools (judo used to be compulsory) including foot races in public schools, as foot races were a form of competition and could lead to aggression and samurai like spirit. GHQ then allowed Judo/Kodokan to come back around 1950, but a less lethal version which didn't include as much groundwork and was more sport. When Judo became an Olympic sport in 1964, this furthered watered down Judo to Sport rather than a fighting Martial Art and this is what we have in the present day which is basically throws with limited time on the ground. So because of the US GHQ martial arts ban Judo and JiuJitsu changed or disappeared in Japan, while being preserved in Brazil with the Gracies, in Russia with Sambo (which came from Judo), and in England and Europe through European Jiu Jitsu schools and Yukio Tani and Ginchin Koizumi's Butokwai in London. The height of the Judoka as a fighting machine was probably Pre World War II when prototypes like Kimura were developed who were of the highest level on the ground, with throws and learned striking, etc. Of course many of the most fit guys were killed during WWII, so along with the GHQ's martial arts ban, alot of things were lost after WWII. So this is why: Modern Sport Judo = Throws BJJ = Ground Jiu Jitsu = Street Self Defense Throws (but not as good as Judo) and Ground (but not many practitoners or participants) Sambo = Throws and Ground (with empahsis on Leglocks, and armbars) Pre WWII Judo = Throws and Ground Theres your answer Goldenglove on where the 3 vary from Judo/ Jujutsu and BJJ. Rickson would not be allowed to do gouging of the eyes, bitting in BJJ by the rules set in competition but would be able to do so in Vale Tudo which is basically MMA. No Samba im not being offensive. I'm just pointing out the obvious. do you understand the meaning behind the comment of "MNE INTO THINKING YOUR BIG BUTT HURT" if you do please share your thoughts on the matter. Obviously Stats your still dont know what your on about.
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