One Reason Why The Wii Will ALWAYS Be Superior TO Move (Long Read)

I'm actually having a laugh here, seeing the claims that the Move is 'better' than the Wii... which, incidentally, it is, if the tech behind it is all that we consider. I've tried it out myself, there is a small difference, with the Move being a tad more precise than the Wii.

BUT, if this generation (and the generation before that... and the one before that...) have taught us anything, it's that it's NOT THE TECH THAT MATTERS. It's rather the games that utilize that tech that determine what is 'better' in the long run. You know what? The Move is NOT better than the Wii, even though the Wii w/o Motion PLus employs technology that now looks positively archaic. You know why it isn't better? Because the Move doesn't have any games to match the stellar library the Wii has built over a period of FOUR LONG YEARS.

Think about it- will you find a Twiliht Princess, or a Mario Kart Wii, or a Metoid Prime Corruption, or a No More Heroes, or a Medal of Honor Heroes 2, or a Resident Evil 4, or a Godfather: Black Hand, or a Red Steel 2, or a Wii Sports Resort, or a Little King's Story, or an Okami, or a Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, or a Super Mario Galaxy on the Move? NO. Some games might even be retropatched for the Move in the future- but they'll never play half as well as Wii titles do, because they weren't designed for the motion controls, like the Wii titles were.

You want to know more? You know why the Move's library can never catch up to the Wii's? Because with it being only an accessory, even if it has a 25% penetration rate (unprecedented in console history, so I highly doubt it will ever achieve that), it will have a potential install base of less than one seventh of the Wii's and of course, only one fourth of the PS3's. No developer would make a game exclusively for the Move, the risk would be too great. So you know what we'll get instead? Either we'll get tacked on motion controls or modes, like the Sixaxis mode in Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, or we'll get motion controls that simply will not work as well, because they'll be 'ret patched' in the development process- spending the money to make the games motion compatible from the start simply would not be financially viable.

You know one more reason why the Wii is, and alwayswill be better than the Move? Because the Wii is more than its moton games- there are tons of game that don't utilize the Wiimote, but are still awesome. Look at Monster Hunter Tri or Tatsunoko vs Capcom. Look at Dead Space Extraction. Look at Wiiware or Virtual Console.

The simple fact of the matter is, the Wii is, and always will be, better than either the Move or the Kinect. And there's no refuting that fact, not logically, at least. But well, this is System Wars, so I don't think that last point really stands.

Games.

charizard1605

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Games.

PS3>Wii in hardcore, and that's that, Move is supposed to expand on casual stuff.mystervj

ill add many reasons why move isnt better

yes inferad is old tech but guess what

i can play in the dark! i guess you all forgot one major drawback to having to use cameras

you can not play without your lights on

thus raising electric bill ,,

for those trying to cut back on electric bills and such , its gonna be hard to use move at night

another

like tc said

this applies to kenict as well

there needs to be a stream of games for the right pricing -60 a pop isnt what i have in mind

casuals hardly spend that much on wii games what makes you tihnk they gonna spend 10 more on some title that could be found elsewhere with different name of course for copy right reasons

- wii is the cheapest cosnole yet again

unless you buy the hdd less console which does not have the option to add one as of right now

and it cost the same as wii comes with less

PS3>Wii in hardcore, and that's that, Move is supposed to expand on casual stuff.mystervj

I define being a Nintendo gamer since the early 80s as more hardcore than 1st person shooters and modern war games. So to me Mario and Zelda and Metroid are hardcore.

My point is that the definition of hardcore is very subjective. People throw the word hardcore around as if it has a single definition that instantly gives Ps3 or 360 some sort of edge. Where were Playstation and Microsoft when Street Figher 1, MGS 1, Dragon warrior 1, Final Fantasy 1, Zelda 1, Teco Bowl, Castlevania 1, Mega Man 1, Mortal Kombat 1, and countless others (and I mean countless others)that define gaming to this day?

Oh I forgot they all started with the true "Hardcore" system: Nintendo.

OMG you are so right because a system that has been out for 4 years vs a system that has been out for like 4 days is perfect for a comparison of games library :roll: It may not have better games now but with it's better tech it will no doubt recieve better games in the future.gamebreakerz__

The only tech advantage move has over WM+ is the PS3. PS3 can run nice HD games and wii can't. The motion tech is hardly any different.

OMG you are so right because a system that has been out for 4 years vs a system that has been out for like 4 days is perfect for a comparison of games library :roll: It may not have better games now but with it's better tech it will no doubt recieve better games in the future.gamebreakerz__

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]OMG you are so right because a system that has been out for 4 years vs a system that has been out for like 4 days is perfect for a comparison of games library :roll: It may not have better games now but with it's better tech it will no doubt recieve better games in the future.goblaa

The only tech advantage move has over WM+ is the PS3. PS3 can run nice HD games and wii can't. The motion tech is hardly any different.

He wasn't talking about the tech... he was talking about the game libraries, since you guys said Wii is better because of that. Of course it has an advantage... a 4 YEARS ADVANTAGE!!! :roll:

[QUOTE="mystervj"]PS3>Wii in hardcore, and that's that, Move is supposed to expand on casual stuff.mojito1988

I define being a Nintendo gamer since the early 80s as more hardcore than 1st person shooters and modern war games. So to me Mario and Zelda and Metroid are hardcore.

My point is that the definition of hardcore is very subjective. People throw the word hardcore around as if it has a single definition that instantly gives Ps3 or 360 some sort of edge. Where were Playstation and Microsoft when Street Figher 1, MGS 1, Dragon warrior 1, Final Fantasy 1, Zelda 1, Teco Bowl, Castlevania 1, Mega Man 1, Mortal Kombat 1, and countless others (and I mean countless others)that define gaming to this day?

Oh I forgot they all started with the true "Hardcore" system: Nintendo.

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]OMG you are so right because a system that has been out for 4 years vs a system that has been out for like 4 days is perfect for a comparison of games library :roll: It may not have better games now but with it's better tech it will no doubt recieve better games in the future.goblaa

The only tech advantage move has over WM+ is the PS3. PS3 can run nice HD games and wii can't. The motion tech is hardly any different.

Fair enough, TC. But I'm not really sure why you're "laughing" about the Move being labeled as superior to the Wii's motion tech, when the tech is precisely what people are comparing. I haven't seen anyone comparing the Move library to the Wii's, and I figure it would take a super motivated fanboy to even try :D

In other words, everybody knows...

Where I'm from Sony are really pushing the Move with lines like "Most advanced motion sensing technology in the gaming market" - This annoyed me because if anything, it's only slightly better than WM+, so slight that it doesn't matter. I played the table tennis and Wii Sports Resort table tennis was much funner than the Sports Champion version.

And since the medium for playing the Wii is predominently motion based, Wii motion control will always be better than Move. Nintendo will simply supply more games for it.

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[QUOTE="mystervj"]PS3>Wii in hardcore, and that's that, Move is supposed to expand on casual stuff.mystervj

I define being a Nintendo gamer since the early 80s as more hardcore than 1st person shooters and modern war games. So to me Mario and Zelda and Metroid are hardcore.

My point is that the definition of hardcore is very subjective. People throw the word hardcore around as if it has a single definition that instantly gives Ps3 or 360 some sort of edge. Where were Playstation and Microsoft when Street Figher 1, MGS 1, Dragon warrior 1, Final Fantasy 1, Zelda 1, Teco Bowl, Castlevania 1, Mega Man 1, Mortal Kombat 1, and countless others (and I mean countless others)that define gaming to this day?

Oh I forgot they all started with the true "Hardcore" system: Nintendo.

I'm still of the opinion that Sony and Microsoft shouldn't have gone ahead with this plan this generation, I too find that this technology would've been better used had they centered on it from the ground up next gen, so yes I agree with you.

Outside of that, I couldn't give a damn about which one is doing better, what I do care about is the usage and evolution of this tech and its integration in video games, so Nintendo winning the competition in this regard is not relevant to me at all.

I think Nintendo deserves its praise for making this kind of approach this generation, but that's really as far as it goes. If Sony and Microsoft trully can't manage to bring competition to the Wii, I don't see why that should be seen as a positive(though I guess this is system wars after all). The Wii is far from being perfect, why people that are interested in this technology would neglect good competition that would push this technology further in the industry is beyond me.

So yoursaying wii move is better because of nintendos franshies. Well then Ill say move will be better because of sonys franchises.

[QUOTE="mystervj"]PS3>Wii in hardcore, and that's that, Move is supposed to expand on casual stuff.charizard1605

So yoursaying wii move is better because of nintendos franshies. Well then Ill say move will be better because of sonys franchises.

EdenProxy

So yoursaying wii move is better because of nintendos franshies. Well then Ill say move will be better because of sonys franchises.

EdenProxy

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So yoursaying wii move is better because of nintendos franshies. Well then Ill say move will be better because of sonys franchises.

trugs26

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="mystervj"]PS3>Wii in hardcore, and that's that, Move is supposed to expand on casual stuff.mystervj

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So yoursaying wii move is better because of nintendos franshies. Well then Ill say move will be better because of sonys franchises.

EdenProxy

No More Heroes
No More Heroes: Desperate Struggle
Tatsunoko vs Capcom
Monster Hunter Tri
Call of Duty 3
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Reflex
Call of Duty World at War
Medal of Honor Heroes 2
Dead Space Extraction
The Godfather: Black Hand
Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition
Okami
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles
House of the Dead: Overkill
MadWorld
Little King's Story
Muramasa: Demon's Blade
Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Boom Blox
Boom Blox Bash Party
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure

More?

first of all the wii is nothing tech wise compared to the move. the wii is not very precise IMO. the move if anything is too precise. and yes the wii has more motion control games that are better right now but the PS3 has more good games then the wii. again this is my opinion and i would think most gamers opinions. (notice i didnt say reviewer)

but honestly- why compare a week old shelf life to the wii thats been out how many years? there is no way in hell you could say with a strait face if the move came out the same day as the wii that the wii would still be better.

[QUOTE="mystervj"][QUOTE="charizard1605"] There is no 'fact.' The PS3>Wii only if the games it offers are what interest you more. If the genres prevelant on the Wii are what interest me more (and they do), then the Wii>PS3. Unlike last generation, there is no one console that is clearly the 'better' one this generation.charizard1605

first of all the wii is nothing tech wise compared to the move. the wii is not very precise IMO. the move if anything is too precise. and yes the wii has more motion control games that are better right now but the PS3 has more good games then the wii. again this is my opinion and i would think most gamers opinions. (notice i didnt say reviewer)

but honestly- why compare a week old shelf life to the wii thats been out how many years? there is no way in hell you could say with a strait face if the move came out the same day as the wii that the wii would still be better.

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[QUOTE="trugs26"]

I think you need to re read a lot of what has been said lol.

charizard1605

No More Heroes
No More Heroes: Desperate Struggle
Tatsunoko vs Capcom
Monster Hunter Tri
Call of Duty 3
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Reflex
Call of Duty World at War
Medal of Honor Heroes 2
Dead Space Extraction
The Godfather: Black Hand
Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition
Okami
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles
House of the Dead: Overkill
MadWorld
Little King's Story
Muramasa: Demon's Blade
Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Boom Blox
Boom Blox Bash Party
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure

More?

What are some of the killer apps on the Wii where motion control is integral to the experience?

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="mystervj"] Well sort of, but Wii definitely lose on my book due to hardware limitation, Nintendo games is just gona be increasingly less impressive as the generation goes on. I don't think it's fair that you compare the entire platform to a peripheral platform, PS move can do the casual stuff better than Wii. And PS3 itself should be compared to the Wii platform in terms of games in general. Just out of curiosity what do you double as? :Pmystervj

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[QUOTE="EdenProxy"] wiis collection of games which has compilied over 4 years isnt impressive. Aside from Nintendo 1st party the thing has flopped game wise. Move only needs 6 good games to have a better collection compared to the entire wii library.

mystervj

No More Heroes
No More Heroes: Desperate Struggle
Tatsunoko vs Capcom
Monster Hunter Tri
Call of Duty 3
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Reflex
Call of Duty World at War
Medal of Honor Heroes 2
Dead Space Extraction
The Godfather: Black Hand
Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition
Okami
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles
House of the Dead: Overkill
MadWorld
Little King's Story
Muramasa: Demon's Blade
Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Boom Blox
Boom Blox Bash Party
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure

More?

What are some of the killer apps on the Wii where motion control is integral to the experience?

Sheep: blah blah blahraskullibur

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]
Oh God, I've read loads of ridiculous things on this board, but this...
Here, have a look:

No More Heroes
No More Heroes: Desperate Struggle
Tatsunoko vs Capcom
Monster Hunter Tri
Call of Duty 3
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Reflex
Call of Duty World at War
Medal of Honor Heroes 2
Dead Space Extraction
The Godfather: Black Hand
Resident Evil 4 Wii Edition
Okami
Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles
Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles
House of the Dead: Overkill
MadWorld
Little King's Story
Muramasa: Demon's Blade
Prince of Persia: The Forgotten Sands
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Boom Blox
Boom Blox Bash Party
Zack & Wiki: Quest for Barbaros' Treasure

More?

charizard1605

What are some of the killer apps on the Wii where motion control is integral to the experience?

Anyways I still want to ask, since we are comparing with the Move, what are some of the good motion control games on the Wii? Is there really so many of them that Move will never dream to surpass it?

I don't play a whole lot of Wii games. But I know MP3 implemented the pointer pretty well, but other waggle sequences didn't work for me and were quite frustrating from time to time. SMG had those ball games that were really fun, but that's sort of just a mini-game, the gliding sequences were pretty awful in SMG2 imo so I don't know, what did the Wii succeed in terms of motion gaming?

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]

[QUOTE="mystervj"] Man, list war is both time consuming and pointless in general, especially when you mix in games that don't have good motion control implementation/games that's clearly inferior on the Wii :roll:

What are some of the killer apps on the Wii where motion control is integral to the experience?

Anyways I still want to ask, since we are comparing with the Move, what are some of the good motion control games on the Wii? Is there really so many of them that Move will never dream to surpass it?

I don't play a whole lot of Wii games. But I know MP3 implemented the pointer pretty well, but other waggle sequences didn't work for me and were quite frustrating from time to time. SMG had those ball games that were really fun, but that's sort of just a mini-game, the gliding sequences were pretty awful in SMG2 imo so I don't know, what did the Wii succeed in terms of motion gaming?

port of no more heroes killzone 3 socom 4 mag heavy rain + more to come....obviously theory debunked?campzor

port of no more heroes killzone 3 socom 4 mag heavy rain + more to come....obviously theory debunked?campzor

The point is that these games are being patched in with motion controls, and thus they won't play as well as Wii games that are designed with these controls in mind. Unlike the Wii, where motion controls are standard and thus every game is tailor-made to use them, games on the PS3 will be played with either controller. Their motion controls simply won't be as good - they'll be "tacked on", I suppose you could say.

Sure, some PS3 devs might make Move-exclusive games, but why would they? The install base is tiny compared to the number of standard PS3 or Wii owners, so they'd be too risky. Meanwhile, the Wii will get a ton more motion-control exclusive games, made by developers who have quite a few more years of experience making games for these controls. So the Move isn't really much competition.

[QUOTE="campzor"]port of no more heroes killzone 3 socom 4 mag heavy rain + more to come....obviously theory debunked?Planeforger

The point is that these games are being patched in with motion controls, and thus they won't play as well as Wii games that are designed with these controls in mind. Unlike the Wii, where motion controls are standard and thus every game is tailor-made to use them, games on the PS3 will be played with either controller. Their motion controls simply won't be as good - they'll be "tacked on", I suppose you could say.

Sure, some PS3 devs might make Move-exclusive games, but why would they? The install base is tiny compared to the number of standard PS3 or Wii owners, so they'd be too risky. Meanwhile, the Wii will get a ton more motion-control exclusive games, made by developers who have quite a few more years of experience making games for these controls. So the Move isn't really much competition.

I don't see how the controls being "tacked on" works against Move as some, if not most, of the Wii games just don't feel like motion controls were really integral to the the gameplay. Hell, some games even forgo the motion controls on the Wii all together. Outside of the main Nintendo first party games and a couple of third parties, many of games on the Wii feel like their motion controls are also "tacked on."

And your other comment about the current population of Move. Well, we have no hard numbers currently what the population is. And more importantly, population grows over time. The most advantageous thing about Move is that it can take ports from the Wii. The main style of gameplay is there. I see developers in the future making games for the Wii and then porting it to the PS3 to make a quick buck off of two very similar forms of motion control.

I just LOVE how you tore your own argument apart. Joking, but you said it yourself: In the long run. What does that mean? Launch? Hm..nope. A couple months after? No. Its the long run of a sizable amount of time. As in 2-4 years at the least. Thats my two cents anyway. Wii has had a long time to adapt, and ps3 is right where wii was pretty much when it first launched. Give it time. Thats my two cents. Out.

Why will Wii always be superior to move? Cause Move is optional.

[QUOTE="goblaa"]

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]OMG you are so right because a system that has been out for 4 years vs a system that has been out for like 4 days is perfect for a comparison of games library :roll: It may not have better games now but with it's better tech it will no doubt recieve better games in the future.Chutebox

The only tech advantage move has over WM+ is the PS3. PS3 can run nice HD games and wii can't. The motion tech is hardly any different.

Only a couple games let you use two wiimtes, but with the nunchuck having motion control and all (something the navigation controller is missing), what's the point?

The wiimote can do 3D just as well as Move can, even without WM+, but you have to be poiting at the screen the whole time and that's pretty lame. +1 for Move.

Lastly, Move being "little bit more accurate" accurate does not warrent it's massive price.

Well may be Move will have more games then wii in the future.