One Reason Why The Wii Will ALWAYS Be Superior TO Move (Long Read)

Well may be Move will have more games then wii in the future.

killeracer0210

I'm actually having a laugh here, seeing the claims that the Move is 'better' than the Wii... which, incidentally, it is, if the tech behind it is all that we consider. I've tried it out myself, there is a small difference, with the Move being a tad more precise than the Wii.

BUT, if this generation (and the generation before that... and the one before that...) have taught us anything, it's that it's NOT THE TECH THAT MATTERS. It's rather the games that utilize that tech that determine what is 'better' in the long run. You know what? The Move is NOT better than the Wii, even though the Wii w/o Motion PLus employs technology that now looks positively archaic. You know why it isn't better? Because the Move doesn't have any games to match the stellar library the Wii has built over a period of FOUR LONG YEARS.

Think about it- will you find a Twiliht Princess, or a Mario Kart Wii, or a Metoid Prime Corruption, or a No More Heroes, or a Medal of Honor Heroes 2, or a Resident Evil 4, or a Godfather: Black Hand, or a Red Steel 2, or a Wii Sports Resort, or a Little King's Story, or an Okami, or a Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, or a Super Mario Galaxy on the Move? NO. Some games might even be retropatched for the Move in the future- but they'll never play half as well as Wii titles do, because they weren't designed for the motion controls, like the Wii titles were.

You want to know more? You know why the Move's library can never catch up to the Wii's? Because with it being only an accessory, even if it has a 25% penetration rate (unprecedented in console history, so I highly doubt it will ever achieve that), it will have a potential install base of less than one seventh of the Wii's and of course, only one fourth of the PS3's. No developer would make a game exclusively for the Move, the risk would be too great. So you know what we'll get instead? Either we'll get tacked on motion controls or modes, like the Sixaxis mode in Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2, or we'll get motion controls that simply will not work as well, because they'll be 'ret patched' in the development process- spending the money to make the games motion compatible from the start simply would not be financially viable.

You know one more reason why the Wii is, and alwayswill be better than the Move? Because the Wii is more than its moton games- there are tons of game that don't utilize the Wiimote, but are still awesome. Look at Monster Hunter Tri or Tatsunoko vs Capcom. Look at Dead Space Extraction. Look at Wiiware or Virtual Console.

The simple fact of the matter is, the Wii is, and always will be, better than either the Move or the Kinect. And there's no refuting that fact, not logically, at least. But well, this is System Wars, so I don't think that last point really stands.

charizard1605

As you said, a lot of those controls might be tacked on or 'ret patched', but you're still making an assumption when you say those games won't take full advantage of Move. Unless we're a Playstation developer, we can't say for sure that a game has to be exclusively designed around Move in order to work well with it.

In fact, there are Wii games which work well on both a traditional controller and the Wii controller. Why can't the same be true for Move? Certainly Sony will take the time to make sure most of their major games going forward work well on both control schemes, and based on the announced game list many 3rd party developers seem to be doing the same thing.

Oh how the times have changed...

I think the Wii's libnrary is pretty bad but to each their own.

Edit: Heck, it's best games does'nt even use motion controls to a great extent if at all.

I think the Wii's libnrary is pretty bad but to each their own.

Edit: Heck, it's best games does'nt even use motion controls to a great extent if at all.

Filthybastrd

All we hear is how amazing accurate the MOVE is and how inaccurate the Wii/Wii motion plus is.

Yet there are bad reviews of MOVE games, with one of the reason being inaccuracy.

And it's not due to the hardware most likely, because some MOVE demos seem to nail it, its the same problem some Wii games have: poor development utilization of the controls.

The Wii Remote without plus is very good and very accurate in some games, and some games dreadful.

Regarding Wii Motion Plus and inaccuracy, I always go to this article.

THIS is a good read. And from an actual developer:

Link

A peripheral that launched mere days ago vs. a console's entire library after several years? Wow your comparison is not biased. :?

PS3 still has a much stronger overall gaming library to Wii's due to multiplats.

We could say the same when comparing the 07PS3 to 360, now look at the tides, 360 owners have been in a huge drought and claiming ownage becuase 1 game came out this entire YEAR! :lol:

its funny how they even forget Sonys biggest franchise game GT5 is coming soon, not to mention LBP2

TC i suggest you wait and see what m0ve offers soon ;)

Wii will always be superior to 360 and PS3 period. Wii tha best, man.

in the end it all comes down to games,

look at the wii, games like metroid prime trilogy really are amazing thanks to the wiimote controls and retro studios

but if we look at other developers and the way they use the hardware, we notice a lack in quality.

the question shouldnt be which is more powerfull based on hardware, but based on software.

Who knows if move is better then the WM+ , they both use different ways, with both strengths and flaws.

The question is, which gives the best results.

Its way to early to judge move based on the few games that are out, but since people allready do it.

Its clear that no game on the move matches Metroid Prime Trilogy.

so its obvious that the wii wins this, but that might change in the future, who knows

If you want to play games with motion controls TODAY, then for me it is a no brain-er. Spend the extra money get aWii and have some fun great exclusive gamers to play.

Half way said it much better than me!

I'm still of the opinion that Sony and Microsoft shouldn't have gone ahead with this plan this generation, I too find that this technology would've been better used had they centered on it from the ground up next gen, so yes I agree with you.

Outside of that, I couldn't give a damn about which one is doing better, what I do care about is the usage and evolution of this tech and its integration in video games, so Nintendo winning the competition in this regard is not relevant to me at all.

I think Nintendo deserves its praise for making this kind of approach this generation, but that's really as far as it goes. If Sony and Microsoft trully can't manage to bring competition to the Wii, I don't see why that should be seen as a positive(though I guess this is system wars after all). The Wii is far from being perfect, why people that are interested in this technology would neglect good competition that would push this technology further in the industry is beyond me.

StealthSting

I agree with this completely.

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]OMG you are so right because a system that has been out for 4 years vs a system that has been out for like 4 days is perfect for a comparison of games library :roll: It may not have better games now but with it's better tech it will no doubt recieve better games in the future.charizard1605

[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]OMG you are so right because a system that has been out for 4 years vs a system that has been out for like 4 days is perfect for a comparison of games library :roll: It may not have better games now but with it's better tech it will no doubt recieve better games in the future.goblaa

The only tech advantage move has over WM+ is the PS3. PS3 can run nice HD games and wii can't. The motion tech is hardly any different.

Hardly any difference IF you include M+ ... but how many games actually use it? I own Tiger Woods and Sports Resort, I've played RS2 but when I look around for other games that use the new peripheral I can't find many.

I nearly went out and bought 4 M+ when they first released, that would have been a total waste.

TLDR entire post. If youre saying Wii will have motion sensing built from the ground up and the Move will have motion sensing as an after thought then youre right.

hum... You're comparing a controller to a console isn't it?

1 controller works best, PSMove.

The game provided for the wiimote are better,

:lol: So you're comparing the Wii, which has been out for almost 4 years, to Move, which came out last week? :lol:SoraX64

Hmm... I don't know, but maybe the WIi's library advantage is because it's been out for almost four years, and the Move has been out for... less than a week. Just an idea.:roll:

Also, the Move isn't concerned with cramming motion controls in games where they are completely unnecessary and make the game worse, I'd much rather have a console with games that can have the option for normal controls or motion controls.

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[QUOTE="gamebreakerz__"]OMG you are so right because a system that has been out for 4 years vs a system that has been out for like 4 days is perfect for a comparison of games library :roll: It may not have better games now but with it's better tech it will no doubt recieve better games in the future.W1NGMAN-

The only tech advantage move has over WM+ is the PS3. PS3 can run nice HD games and wii can't. The motion tech is hardly any different.

Hardly any difference IF you include M+ ... but how many games actually use it? I own Tiger Woods and Sports Resort, I've played RS2 but when I look around for other games that use the new peripheral I can't find many.

I nearly went out and bought 4 M+ when they first released, that would have been a total waste.

The biggest game that will use Wii Motion+ is Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword it is required to play that game.

A lot of the Wii's best games don't even use the Wiimote that well tho. Stuff like Galaxy and Brawl and Mario Kart are/would be better with a GC pad. I think Move might eventually have more good "suitable" games, such as FPS, TPS, RTS, swordfighting, etc type games. Right now of course Wiimote has better games.locopatho

Eh, i am going with the Move on this one. Wii's head start does not really mean that much. Wii has not supported the M+ very well and quite a few recent releases dont even use motion controls. October brings two good shooters for PS3 Move with Time Crisis and The Shoot and from there its just a matter of time for more and better games. Next year, this time, PS3 Move will be firmly entrenched.

[QUOTE="locopatho"]A lot of the Wii's best games don't even use the Wiimote that well tho. Stuff like Galaxy and Brawl and Mario Kart are/would be better with a GC pad. I think Move might eventually have more good "suitable" games, such as FPS, TPS, RTS, swordfighting, etc type games. Right now of course Wiimote has better games.IppoTenma

It's ridiculous that people expect Move to make the Wii irrelevant. Move is a peripheral and as such only occasionally will games be made for it, it won't be getting great games every month like the Wii has been and will continue to.

I was gonna reply to this thread just based of the thread topic, but after reading all of what TC had written, I have no idea what to say. Well I guess there is that fact that the Wii has been out about 200 times longer than the Playstation Move. And the fact that there is only 4 original AAA Wii games with motion support based of Gamerankings and Metacritic, please correct me if I am wrong.

Yes, but motion controls will always be inferior to real gaming. :)

Yes, but motion controls will always be inferior to real gaming. :)

KristoffBrujah

As much as I dislike motion controls... I'm glad the Wii fans have given Move enough time to prove itself. :|

I don't think its possible to say which one will be "better" in terms of games, since that is just an opinion. When it comes to tech, Move is obviously superior... and since you can't have a constructive debate over opinions, the only objective point on the list of things to discuss is what is the most popular.

As much as I dislike motion controls... I'm glad the Wii fans have given Move enough time to prove itself. :|

I don't think its possible to say which one will be "better" in terms of games, since that is just an opinion. When it comes to tech, Move is obviously superior... and since you can't have a constructive debate over opinions, the only objective point on the list of things to discuss is what is the most popular.

foxhound_fox

Sure, the new guy could prove itself, but it's not a very wise thing to stay with it exclusively when the other one is proven and has years of stuff to give you. By the time Move catches up to the Wii, if it does, Nintendo would have moved on.

Giving time to prove itself and it's power is irrelevant.

Sure, the new guy could prove itself, but it's not a very wise thing to stay with it exclusively when the other one is proven and has years of stuff to give you. By the time Move catches up to the Wii, if it does, Nintendo would have moved on.

Willy105

As much as I dislike motion controls... I'm glad the Wii fans have given Move enough time to prove itself. :|

I don't think its possible to say which one will be "better" in terms of games, since that is just an opinion. When it comes to tech, Move is obviously superior... and since you can't have a constructive debate over opinions, the only objective point on the list of things to discuss is what is the most popular.

foxhound_fox

the problem is simply that it goes both ways.

wii fanboys dont give it enough time to prove itself

while sony fanboys already dismiss the wiimote, despite no games on the move that do something different , that the wii cant do.

apparently move has "better" "1:1" controls, despite some lagg issues,

how can something that has a 1-2 second delay be 1:1?

im obviously on the wii side of the fence, but thats simply because i cant stand the design of the move, the trigger is the only thing that improved imo.

While the tech itself is different, it still needs to prove its a better way for motion controls.

Yes, but motion controls will always be inferior to real gaming. :)

KristoffBrujah

[QUOTE="Willy105"]Giving time to prove itself and it's power is irrelevant.

Sure, the new guy could prove itself, but it's not a very wise thing to stay with it exclusively when the other one is proven and has years of stuff to give you. By the time Move catches up to the Wii, if it does, Nintendo would have moved on.

foxhound_fox

so the move is not a copy?

so the move is not a copy?

Mario1331

It's a copy in the same way the Dualshock was a copy of the N64 controller or the D-pad that Nintendo had for the NES was a copy of Milton Bradley's Microvision.

It's a copy but also a natural enhancement.

Why didnt you just say it has a ton more games and developer support?

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

so the move is not a copy?

JLF1

It's a copy in the same way the Dualshock was a copy of the N64 controller or the D-pad that Nintendo had for the NES was a copy of Milton Bradley's Microvision.

It's a copy but also a natural enhancement.

well the reason people consider move a copy more then the dualshock is because of its design

its really the design that destroys it, not the tech

The Wii is Nintendo's whole hand. The Move is just a portion of the PS3, they still have the hardcore **** to appeal to the rest of us. If you have to compare Nintendo's entire system to a peripheral Sony just released, it's doing it's job in spades. Hahadouken

Wii isnt Nintendo's whole hand (see DS and 3DS). Yes you have to compare Nintendos Wii to Sony's Move as its competing against each other for users with the same philosphy that Motion Controls sell games (though Sony said they wasnt competing with Nintendo this gen) and perephial cannot be used alone without a PS3 so the Console is needed with Move like Move is needed to play motion control based games on the PS3. "they still have the hardcore **** to appeal to the rest of us." Kinda weird as Nintendo do the same while with motion controls implemented. Nintendos line up was always compared to Sony's before Move and its still compared now with Move, will Move intrest hardcore / casual alike like the Wii has done so for 4 years now thats the question.

[QUOTE="IppoTenma"][QUOTE="locopatho"]A lot of the Wii's best games don't even use the Wiimote that well tho. Stuff like Galaxy and Brawl and Mario Kart are/would be better with a GC pad. I think Move might eventually have more good "suitable" games, such as FPS, TPS, RTS, swordfighting, etc type games. Right now of course Wiimote has better games.Androvinus

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I think you need to re read a lot of what has been said lol.

charizard1605

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