One word that scares all Cows... RAM...

[QUOTE="_Peoples_Champ_"]

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/ram.htm

All cows should read this, maybe you guys will understand why RAM is so important.

bottleneck #1 for the Ps3: I it uses the same amount of RAM a 3 year old computer has.

bottleneck #2 for the Ps3: Blue ray may seem pretty cool, but the tranfer rate is so slow, developers hate working with it.

reilo

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]The PS3 has 512 mbs of ram, just like the 360. Unlike the 360 the PS3 has a standard HDD that can be used to cache files that appear often in a game, freeing up ram to store data that is used more frequently._Peoples_Champ_

for a min there i thought you said Raam from gears of war :lol:lawlessx

[QUOTE="reilo"][QUOTE="_Peoples_Champ_"]

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/ram.htm

All cows should read this, maybe you guys will understand why RAM is so important.

bottleneck #1 for the Ps3: I it uses the same amount of RAM a 3 year old computer has.

bottleneck #2 for the Ps3: Blue ray may seem pretty cool, but the tranfer rate is so slow, developers hate working with it.

imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="spinalremains1"][QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]

[QUOTE="HeavenlySword75"]Why do most PS3 games have farther Draw Distances? And why does Gears of War choke on Cut Scenes and have horrible Draw Distance, same with Oblivion. These are Ram related. Why does GT:HD and F1 Championship and Motorstorm look so great? PS3 has 512 Ram and it has XDR ram that 360 does not have.semitry

Helllo!!

360 - has 512mb SHARED ram - vram and cpu ram.

PS3 - 256 cpu ram - 256 vram.

ffs can the lemmings stop these stupid threads - both consoles have jack s*** RAM.

Besides the PS3's multiple ( 8 ) cores means that the data stored in the RAM can be processed faster - and more of it.
Only problem is that no one understands how to properly utilise the cores yet :?:
muscrat_01

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]The PS3 has 512 mbs of ram, just like the 360. Unlike the 360 the PS3 has a standard HDD that can be used to cache files that appear often in a game, freeing up ram to store data that is used more frequently.toxicmog

[QUOTE="semitry"][QUOTE="spinalremains1"][QUOTE="bluebrad1974"]

[QUOTE="HeavenlySword75"]Why do most PS3 games have farther Draw Distances? And why does Gears of War choke on Cut Scenes and have horrible Draw Distance, same with Oblivion. These are Ram related. Why does GT:HD and F1 Championship and Motorstorm look so great? PS3 has 512 Ram and it has XDR ram that 360 does not have.Viviath

Please do any console fanboys, let alone the ones rambling on this thread - and TC himself - please rember one extrememly important peince of information - THAT YOU KEEP FORGETTING!

A good / fast CPU - with multiple cores - can process the Data stored in the ram alot faster - and large multiple blocks of data at once.

So even if the RAM is not that big - the data stored there can be processed quicker - thus freeing up the ram - and avoiding bottlenecks.

Now compare the 3 core 360 cpu - with 512 mb *shared RAM - that is used also for the GPU
and
The 8 core Cell - with 256 mb cpu only* RAM.

I think there is quite a tradeoff.......
muscrat_01

RAM = Raging Angry Mother*******thefjk

The Difference Here is that PS3 uses 256 Dedicated for system, and 256 for Video only. The issue is the same as with dedicated Pixel shaders and Vertex shaders. There are going to be games, like FEAR for instance, that require more System ram than video ram, to calculate the Impressive AI.This results in one side being bogged down and the other is wasted. Sure XDR is 4 times faster, but the problem is that the bandwith isn't.

Example:

You have 2 sinks, one sink can hold 256oz., and the other holds 1024oz.The spouts, however, are only slightly faster for the 1024oz, so when instead of getting 1024 to go down the drain into the CPU, you only get 1/4 of that, because the rate at which they fill is the same.

So 2GB/s of extra bandwith is worth it to you, for $200, when the 360 looks better due to a U.S.A. GPU, and can uses it's ram better anyway.

Also, the PS3 uses 12% of the total ram and CPU power for the OS, while the 360 uses only 3%, so more is left foe games.

And once the data gets to the cell, it doesn't even go as fast as the 360CPU. The 360 has 3 cores, capable of running 2 threads each, or 6 total threads, runing at 3GHz per core, or 1.5GHz per thread, whereas the PS3 uses 6 SPEs, which can handle 1 thread each, which run at 700Mhz each, less than half the power. 

The 360 has 3 cores, capable of running 2 threads each, or 6 total threads, runing at 3GHz per core, or 1.5GHz per thread, whereas the PS3 uses 6 SPEs, which can handle 1 thread each, which run at 700Mhz each, less than half the power.mathew952

[QUOTE="mathew952"]The 360 has 3 cores, capable of running 2 threads each, or 6 total threads, runing at 3GHz per core, or 1.5GHz per thread, whereas the PS3 uses 6 SPEs, which can handle 1 thread each, which run at 700Mhz each, less than half the power.mrboo15

[QUOTE="_Peoples_Champ_"]

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/ram.htm

All cows should read this, maybe you guys will understand why RAM is so important.

bottleneck #1 for the Ps3: I it uses the same amount of RAM a 3 year old computer has.

bottleneck #2 for the Ps3: Blue ray may seem pretty cool, but the tranfer rate is so slow, developers hate working with it.

PyroXD

Oh the colors pop with the HDMI plugged in.  My PS3 runs real smooth.  I cant tell the difference in the 2 systems.  Its miniscule.  Seriously man.  Can you see a big differencespinalremains1

Yeah, the PS3 had to use 5-10 GB of RAM on HDD to make it run faster loading times. Which is kind of embarrassing. 5 GB? That's a lot.

HyperMetaDragon

WTF were you doing necroing this five month old thread?

P.S. Actually thats a swap file and its not really RAM and oh...get me a link to those statistics. Kthnxbye!

RAM oh my god the fear :cry:

I think you started the thread on the wrong foot it is a known fact the 360 and ps3 both have 512mb

[QUOTE="Kingler5"]Just remember that while ALL of the 360's RAM is at 700 mHz, half the Ps3's RAM runs at 3.2 gHz and half runs at 700 mHz for the CPU and GPU respectively, which is best? Only time will tell, devs will let us know!alfy13

Thier RAM runs at 3.2 GHZ!? is that even possible!? what DDR8 or something? >> .... cmon ...

The PS3 has 512 mbs of ram, just like the 360. Unlike the 360 the PS3 has a standard HDD that can be used to cache files that appear often in a game, freeing up ram to store data that is used more frequently.Wasdie

And don't forget that the PS3 uses a different type of RAM that can we written as well as read at the same time, meaning if used effectively it's like having a whole GB of RAM, and the 360 can not do that. But, to be unbiased, I must say that half of the PS3's RAM is used on the XMB.

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/ram.htm

All cows should read this, maybe you guys will understand why RAM is so important.

bottleneck #1 for the Ps3: I it uses the same amount of RAM a 3 year old computer has.

bottleneck #2 for the Ps3: Blue ray may seem pretty cool, but the tranfer rate is so slow, developers hate working with it.

_Peoples_Champ_

Yup. RAM is impotant.

[QUOTE="alfy13"][QUOTE="Kingler5"]Just remember that while ALL of the 360's RAM is at 700 mHz, half the Ps3's RAM runs at 3.2 gHz and half runs at 700 mHz for the CPU and GPU respectively, which is best? Only time will tell, devs will let us know!Meu2k7

Thier RAM runs at 3.2 GHZ!? is that even possible!? what DDR8 or something? >> .... cmon ...

I have since educated myself on this matter. High Latency RAM ftl.

PS3: The PS3 has 512mb of RAM total. It's readily partition in half for both the CPU and the GPU, meaning 256mb of RAM each. The CPU RAM is clocked at 3.2ghz, and the GPU RAM is clocked at 700mhz.

360: The Xbox 360 also has 512mb of RAM, clock in at 700mhz overall. Microsoft has left the partitioning up to the developers, so they may do what they want with it.

Who bumped this thread, and why? :(Teufelhuhn

I did! :D Oops, there I go again.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]Who bumped this thread, and why? :(JLuke360

I did! :D Oops, there I go again.

! :P

I would like to point out that the PS3's OS uses less and less RAM, because firmware updates sometimes modify the RAM cache. The OS currently uses only 52mb, so some more RAM has been made available to games. Sony can trim it down even further as time goes by.

But I have to agree, both consoles have sh** RAM. The PS3 could have had 512/512, seeing as it was finalized in 2006, but NOOOO! It's too much! :cry:

I would like to point out that the PS3's OS uses less and less RAM, because firmware updates sometimes modify the RAM cache. The OS currently uses only 52mb, so some more RAM has been made available to games. Sony can trim it down even further as time goes by.

But I have to agree, both consoles have sh** RAM. The PS3 could have had 512/512, seeing as it was finalized in 2006, but NOOOO! It's too much! :cry:

Mordred19

Well, as you said, the OS is using less RAM, so not so much RAM is needed. Of course, more RAM is better, but the time it takes to stream data off the disc to take advantage of the RAM might prove too much. The future is really in the HDD in my opinion, unless there's some super update, and a new component is brought out. That, and if Bill Gates fixes the internet.

Oh god what will you guys come up with when Ps3 graphicallySurpasses the 360?, well it already has :P...

This thread is absolutely pathetic.

Whilst the RAM factor is indeed a big one, the level of ignorance (on both sides) is astounding. And it is just as relevant to examine the surrounding and relevant architecture to assess the performance of the RAM. My take on it is this: Which systems RAM gives greater real world potential? the 360. By much? No However it should be noted that of the 256mb xdr ram on the ps3 64mb (and 32mb GDDR3 ram) must be used for the operating system. This means that the 'cell' can only ever use 192mb (in games) (assuming the gpu isn't trying to get any) compared to the 360 which uses only 32mb from the unified GDDR3 RAM, meaning far more RAM can be accessed by the cpu (sharing with the gpu) if needed. This factor gives the 360 a large advantage over the ps3. Finally. In reference to the topic title, it's actually three words.TheWinds

Yeah they have actually lowered the ram that the Os needs for the Ps3 through their firmware updates, So it basicaly itsa null point and i can see Ms and Sony bringing down what the Os needs in terms of ram for both systems.

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/ram.htm

All cows should read this, maybe you guys will understand why RAM is so important.

bottleneck #1 for the Ps3: I it uses the same amount of RAM a 3 year old computer has.

bottleneck #2 for the Ps3: Blue ray may seem pretty cool, but the tranfer rate is so slow, developers hate working with it.

_Peoples_Champ_

Hey dude, watch your mouth. My computer is 3 years old and it has more RAM than PS3.

Needs moar RAM.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]for a min there i thought you said Raam from gears of war :lol:waynehead895

screw it, Im still going for it

hell, Im scared of him too

[QUOTE="HeavenlySword75"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="HeavenlySword75"]Why do most PS3 games have farther Draw Distances? And why does Gears of War choke on Cut Scenes and have horrible Draw Distance, same with Oblivion. These are Ram related. Why does GT:HD and F1 Championship and Motorstorm look so great? PS3 has 512 Ram and it has XDR ram that 360 does not have.-GeordiLaForge-

[QUOTE="waynehead895"][QUOTE="lawlessx"]for a min there i thought you said Raam from gears of war :lol:supermechakirby

screw it, Im still going for it

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/446/11560010ah3.jpg

hell, Im scared of him too

That word scares all console fanboys... they can never get enough of it and their games are always limited by it.foxhound_fox

Nah. Riddick last gen was a prime example of this.

Riddick looked great on Xbox with 64mb of ram.

For a slight upgrade on the PC it took 512mb.

RAM must be different from PC and consoles.